WeirdLookingFellow Global25 Results

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I've seen that some get some interesting results off of it so I ordered it. Please give me ideas for populations for nMonte (up to 10) or anything that would be interesting and you want me to try or you want to try, the coords are here.

Target: Weird_scaled
Distance: 3.7770% / 0.03777020
Aggregated
43.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
41.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.4 WHG
5.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0 Han
0.8 Yoruba

One I did off the Stears results thread. Overall I get a closer fit when plotting Hungarian+Moldavian+Tatar than Hungarian+Romanian (barely any diff), but much better than Romanian+Moldavian+Tatar.

"Custom:Weird_scaled", (0 penalty)
"fit": 1.5057,
"Romanian": 77.5,
"Hungarian": 20.83,
"Tatar_Kazan": 1.67,
"Roma": 0,

"sample": "Custom:Weird_scaled", (0 penalty)
"fit": 1.4986,
"Moldavian": 51.67,
"Hungarian": 46.67,
"Tatar_Kazan": 1.67,
"Roma": 0,

"sample": "Custom:Weird_scaled", (default penalty)
"fit": 1.5226,
"Moldavian": 50.83,
"Hungarian": 48.33,
"Tatar_Kazan": 0.83,
"Roma": 0,

"sample": "Custom:Weird_scaled", (0 pen)
"fit": 1.6497,
"Romanian": 85.83,
"Ukrainian": 11.67,
"Tatar_Kazan": 2.5,
"Roma": 0,


"sample": "Custom:Weird_scaled", (0 pen)
"fit": 1.9573,
"Moldavian": 71.67,
"Ukrainian": 25,
"Tatar_Kazan": 3.33,
"Roma": 0,


,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Insert_scaled,0.114961,0.131003,0.04186,0.01615,0. 031698,0.005857,0.00846,0.003692,-0.000818,0.006925,-0.005684,0.006145,-0.003865,0.014726,-0.013708,0.005436,0.003781,0.00038,0.004274,0.0012 51,0.001996,0.001855,0,0.005904,-0.006347

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Dorkymon 23andme

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 1.3275,
"Greek & Balkan_": 65.83,
"French&German_": 25,
"Eastern European_": 6.67,
"Broadly Southern European_": 0.83,
"Siberian_": 0.83,
"Western Asian_": 0.83,
"African_": 0,
"Ashkenazi Jewish_": 0,

[WeirdLookingFellow]

My composition based on all country averages:

35.2 Italian_Northeast_o
25.8 Albanian
18.4 Bosnian
11.8 Basque_French
2.8 Georgian_Imer
2.2 Russian_Voronez
1.2 Luhya_Kenya
1.0 Dutch
0.6 Sakha
0.4 Russian_Smolensk
0.2 Italian_Lombardy
0.2 Lithuanian
0.2 Yakut

Distance

Insert_scaled
0.02235963 Montenegrin
0.02417653 Romanian
0.02740672 Serbian
0.02883496 Bosnian
0.03088872 Bulgarian
0.03211088 Macedonian
0.03291818 Moldavian
0.03444123 Italian_Northeast
0.03479053 Austrian
0.03515193 Croatian
0.03703310 Slovenian
0.03755285 Hungarian
0.03961720 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03976857 Gagauz
0.04066820 Italian_Northeast_o
0.04078826 French_East
0.04296999 Swiss_German
0.04303419 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige_o
0.04328117 French_Provence

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Any ideas on how to accurately find out my possible Tatar/Central Asian admixture and check if indeed it is Central Asian or of different origins?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 1.4709,
"Moldavian": 51.67,
"Hungarian": 47.5,
"Nogai": 0.83,
"Nganassan": 0,
"PAK_Udegram_IA": 0,
"Punjabi_Jatt": 0,
"Roma": 0,
"Sindhi": 0,
"Tatar_Kazan": 0,
"Tatar_Siberian": 0,

[
{
"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 1.3838,
"Austrian": 53.33,
"Moldavian": 43.33,
"Tatar_Kazan": 3.33,
"Nganassan": 0,
"Nogai": 0,
"PAK_Udegram_IA": 0,
"Punjabi_Jatt": 0,
"Roma": 0,
"Sindhi": 0,
"Tatar_Siberian": 0,

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 1.3182,
"Moldavian": 54.17,
"German": 44.17,
"Nogai": 1.67,
"Nganassan": 0,
"PAK_Udegram_IA": 0,
"Punjabi_Jatt": 0,
"Roma": 0,
"Sindhi": 0,
"Tatar_Kazan": 0,
"Tatar_Siberian": 0,

I am currently attempting to find a good fit for me based on the populations present in nMonte. Overall it seems that Moldavian + German seem to be the best, beating Moldavian + Hungarian. Romanian instead of Moldavian worsens the fit.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Anyone out there with some ideas on better populations to differentiate Gypsy from Tatar/Mongol admixture?

[Luke35]

Any ideas on how to accurately find out my possible Tatar/Central Asian admixture and check if indeed it is Central Asian or of different origins?

I have no idea how to help you with this, I just got my coordinates today!

I can't seem to figure out how to test myself against modern European countries, as you did in the op. Which calc did you use to do this?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

This is one tool:

http://185.144.156.77:3000/?passcode=level2p0938

In the first row u can choose to which pops to test yourself. For example Romanain will lead to an option called Romanian total, most populations have these samples named as such. You can also play and add diff samples like I did in my posts. Davidski also linked a vahudao or sth calculator. For that you need the global25 coords of the pops. If you search global 25 on anthrogenica there's a thread where an updated spreadhseet exists.

[vbnetkhio]

I've seen that some get some interesting results off of it so I ordered it. Please give me ideas for populations for nMonte (up to 10) or anything that would be interesting and you want me to try or you want to try, the coords are here.


here's something with a very good fit. but it deosn't explain that Italian or Spanish pull you have on PCAs

"fit": 1.2711,
"Romanian": 44.17,
"German": 28.33,
"Moldavian": 23.33,
"Ukrainian": 3.33,
"Mongolian": 0.83,

[Dick]

Nice avi

[WeirdLookingFellow]

here's something with a very good fit. but it deosn't explain that Italian or Spanish pull you have on PCAs

"fit": 1.2711,
"Romanian": 44.17,
"German": 28.33,
"Moldavian": 23.33,
"Ukrainian": 3.33,
"Mongolian": 0.83,

Thanks, it's closer than what I got. Overall it doesn't make very good sense with the German, but I did try with populations between Germany and Romania and German always gets a better fit. Any attempt at adding Spanish or Italian leads to much worse fits.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 1.1999,
"Romanian": 36.67,
"Moldavian": 18.33,
"German": 17.5,
"Polish": 10,
"Albanian": 5.83,
"Hungarian": 5.83,
"Italian_Northeast": 4.17,
"Croatian": 0.83,
"Mongolian": 0.83,
"Montenegrin": 0,
"Nogai": 0,
"Ukrainian": 0,

Mongolian seems to stick more. Overall I can't find a better fit. What I can overall say is that some of the things I found before are confirmed here, as in there's a Celtic but also German component. Italian Tuscany worsens the fit while Northeast improves it. Polish makes a better fit than Ukrainian. Albanian also improves it. I cannot get rid of German either and only in this particular build is Romanian + Moldavian better than just one of them. The Tatar trace is also always visible and is surely larger due to its traces in Romanian/Moldavian/Hungarian. Either way it's strange how for Mr. G I managed to find a 0.44 fit while the best I can do is 1.19, lol.

[Luke35]

Yeah, I don't know what else you could throw at it. I replaced German with Dutch, put more Celtic in the mix and that didn't seem to help.

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 1.2967,
"Romanian": 43.33,
"Moldavian": 19.17,
"Dutch": 18.33,
"Hungarian": 6.67,
"Polish": 5,
"Albanian": 2.5,
"Croatian": 2.5,
"Italian_Northeast": 1.67,
"Mongolian": 0.83,

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Weird ones but of course they're DIY so can't guarantee for them. Unscaled leads to more West Asian - Siberian and also more Eastern Europe. Scaled leads to more French & German and 0.83 African (reflective of my GEDMatch results). K4 seems to see the Central/East Asian as well.

Dorkymon 23andme unscaled pen 0.001

"sample": "Custom:Insert",
"fit": 0.789,
"Greek&Balkan_": 51.67,
"French&German_": 27.5,
"EasternEuropean_": 14.17,
"BroadlySouthernEuropean_": 3.33,
"WesternAsian_": 2.5,
"Italian_": 0.83,

Same but pen 0

"sample": "Custom:Insert",
"fit": 0.6748,
"Greek&Balkan_": 45,
"French&German_": 27.5,
"EasternEuropean_": 21.67,
"WesternAsian_": 4.17,
"Siberian_": 1.67,
"African_": 0,

Scaled pen 0.001

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 1.25,
"Greek & Balkan_": 59.17,
"French&German_": 28.33,
"Eastern European_": 7.5,
"Broadly Southern European_": 3.33,
"African_": 0.83,
"Siberian_": 0.83,
"Ashkenazi Jewish_": 0,

Scaled pen 0

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 1.032,
"Greek & Balkan_": 48.33,
"French&German_": 30.83,
"Eastern European_": 16.67,
"African_": 0.83,
"British&IrishEnglish_": 0.83,
"Sardinian_": 0.83,
"Siberian_": 0.83,
"Western Asian_": 0.83,
"Ashkenazi Jewish_": 0,


Scaled Balkan K4 pen 0.001

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 2.254,
"Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World_K4": 54.17,
"Slavic Migration": 40.83,
"Pre-Slavic_Greek_World_K4": 3.33,
"Mongols et al.": 1.67,
"closestDistances": [

Scaled 0 pen

"sample": "Custom:Insert_scaled",
"fit": 2.1298,
"Slavic Migration": 50.83,
"Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World_K4": 32.5,
"Pre-Slavic_Greek_World_K4": 15,
"Mongols et al.": 1.67,
"closestDistances": [

Unscaled K4 pen 0

"sample": "Custom:Insert",
"fit": 1.473,
"SlavicMigration": 54.17,
"Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World_K4": 35.83,
"Pre-Slavic_Greek_World_K4": 6.67,
"Mongolsetal.": 3.33,

Unscaled K4 pen 0.001

"sample": "Custom:Insert",
"fit": 1.4967,
"SlavicMigration": 49.17,
"Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World_K4": 44.17,
"Pre-Slavic_Greek_World_K4": 4.17,
"Mongolsetal.": 2.5,
"closestDistances": [

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Anyone has Romanian g25 results with no known foreign ancestry so I can test whether there's French&German in them too?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

From Lemgrant's thread:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285409-Mixed-mode-oracle-algorithm-from-Gedmatch-applied-to-G25-Datasheet&p=6278071#post6278071



[1,] "Romanian:G408" "0.0133"
[2,] "Moldovan:747_R02C01" "0.0162"
[3,] "Bulgarian:BulgarianF2" "0.0163"
[4,] "Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4" "0.0166"
[5,] "Romanian:G434" "0.0168"
[6,] "Croatian:Croatia_Cro305" "0.0168"
[7,] "Hungarian:NA15201" "0.0174"
[8,] "Bulgarian:BulgarianD6" "0.0175"
[9,] "Romanian:A343" "0.0177"
[10,] "Bosnian:Bosnian_13" "0.0178"
[11,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro4" "0.0179"
[12,] "Bosnian:Bosnian_12" "0.0184"
[13,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro6" "0.0186"
[14,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro7" "0.0187"
[15,] "Slovenian:Slovenian172" "0.0189"
[16,] "Bosnian:Bosnian_10" "0.0189"
[17,] "Bulgarian:Bulgaria1" "0.0189"
[18,] "Moldovan:748_R02C02" "0.019"
[19,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro5" "0.0193"
[20,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL53" "0.0196"
[21,] "Romanian:G428" "0.0199"
[22,] "Slovenian:Slovenian136" "0.0199"
[23,] "Moldovan:747_R01C01" "0.02"
[24,] "Varna_o:ANI163" "0.0202"
[25,] "Moldovan:748_R01C02" "0.0204"
[26,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8" "0.0206"
[27,] "Austrian:Austria10" "0.0208"
[28,] "Albanian:ALB213" "0.0211"
[29,] "Romanian:A362" "0.0211"
[30,] "Romanian:G429" "0.0213"
[31,] "Macedonian:Macedonian8" "0.0214"
[32,] "Bosnian:Bosnian_14" "0.0215"
[33,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro1" "0.0215"
[34,] "Greek:S_Greek-1" "0.0217"
[35,] "Hungarian:NA15208" "0.0218"
[36,] "Austrian:Austria16" "0.0218"
[37,] "Moldovan:747_R01C02" "0.0219"
[38,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ45" "0.022"
[39,] "Romanian:A306" "0.0221"
[40,] "Austrian:Austria13" "0.0221"
[41,] "Croatian:Croatia_Cro198" "0.0221"
[42,] "Slovenian:Slovenian90" "0.0222"
[43,] "Romanian:A374" "0.0223"
[44,] "Hungarian:NA15204" "0.0223"
[45,] "Balkans_BA:I2165" "0.0223"
[46,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14" "0.0224"
[47,] "Croatian:Croatia_Cro43" "0.0225"
[48,] "Hungarian:HungarianE5" "0.0226"
[49,] "Czech:NA15730" "0.0226"
[50,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3" "0.0226"
[51,] "Czech:NA15726" "0.0226"
[52,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ18" "0.0229"
[53,] "Moldovan:746_R01C01" "0.0229"
[54,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17" "0.023"
[55,] "Greek:NA17373" "0.0231"
[56,] "Czech:S_Czech-2" "0.0232"
[57,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11" "0.0232"
[58,] "Albanian:ALB202" "0.0233"
[59,] "Croatian:Croatia_Cro133" "0.0234"
[60,] "Albanian:ALB230" "0.0234"

I seem clearly German pulled. This is actually very nice since I did not use a G25 oracle until now. No idea how accurate it may be considered but it pushes me to further check what great-grandparent of mine was German.


[1,] "26.6% Austrian:Austria6 + 73.4% Romanian:G408" "0.0096"
[2,] "21.9% Dutch:Netherlands56 + 78.1% Romanian:G408" "0.0098"
[3,] "61.8% Bulgarian:Bulgaria1 + 38.2% German_East:German_East1" "0.0099"
[4,] "17.6% Irish:Irish31 + 82.4% Romanian:G408" "0.01"
[5,] "22.1% German:German65 + 77.9% Romanian:G408" "0.0101"
[6,] "23.4% German:German67 + 76.6% Romanian:G408" "0.0102"
[7,] "20.4% English:England14 + 79.6% Romanian:G408" "0.0102"
[8,] "40.8% Austrian:Austria10 + 59.2% Moldovan:747_R02C01" "0.0103"
[9,] "17% Germany_Medieval:STR_486 + 83% Romanian:G408" "0.0104"
[10,] "18.1% Dutch:Netherlands16 + 81.9% Romanian:G408" "0.0104"
[11,] "17.7% Beaker_Central_Europe:I4895 + 82.3% Romanian:G408" "0.0104"
[12,] "24% Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL102 + 76% Romanian:G408" "0.0104"
[13,] "19.6% Czech_EBA:I5044 + 80.4% Romanian:G408" "0.0104"
[14,] "22.1% Belgian:Belgium18 + 77.9% Romanian:G408" "0.0105"
[15,] "56.3% Italian_Tuscan:NA20506 + 43.7% Russian_Voronez:RussianVoron107" "0.0105"
[16,] "48% German:German40 + 52% Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3" "0.0105"
[17,] "19.2% English:England11 + 80.8% Romanian:G408" "0.0105"
[18,] "22.2% German:German77 + 77.8% Romanian:G408" "0.0105"
[19,] "25.6% German:German18 + 74.4% Romanian:G408" "0.0105"
[20,] "80.2% Romanian:G408 + 19.8% Scottish:Scottish5" "0.0105"
[21,] "68.5% Romanian:G408 + 31.5% Varna_o:ANI163" "0.0106"
[22,] "17% French:French57 + 83% Romanian:G408" "0.0107"
[23,] "19.3% Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ22 + 80.7% Romanian:G408" "0.0107"
[24,] "16.4% Dutch:Netherlands22 + 83.6% Romanian:G408" "0.0107"
[25,] "23.2% German_East:German_East1 + 76.8% Romanian:G408" "0.0107"
[26,] "18.3% English_Cornwall:HG00236 + 81.7% Romanian:G408" "0.0108"
[27,] "18.4% Icelandic:NA15759 + 81.6% Romanian:G408" "0.0108"
[28,] "14.6% England_Roman:6DT23 + 85.4% Romanian:G408" "0.0108"
[29,] "24% Dutch:Netherlands33 + 76% Romanian:G408" "0.0108"
[30,] "21.5% Germany_Medieval_ACD:STR_220 + 78.5% Romanian:G408" "0.0108"
[31,] "44.4% Albanian:S_Albanian-1 + 55.6% German:German18" "0.0108"
[32,] "66.5% Bulgarian:Bulgaria1 + 33.5% German:German45" "0.0108"
[33,] "25.3% Austrian:Austria17 + 74.7% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[34,] "17.1% German:German50 + 82.9% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[35,] "17.5% Dutch:Netherlands24 + 82.5% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[36,] "16.2% Dutch:Netherlands36 + 83.8% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[37,] "18.6% Dutch:Netherlands6 + 81.4% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[38,] "20.9% Dutch:Netherlands29 + 79.1% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[39,] "81.1% Romanian:G408 + 18.9% Swedish:Sweden2" "0.0109"
[40,] "19.1% Belgian:Belgium27 + 80.9% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[41,] "29.3% Baltic_BA:Kivutkalns25 + 70.7% Italian_Tuscan:NA20506" "0.0109"
[42,] "15.9% German:German24 + 84.1% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[43,] "18.3% German:German78 + 81.7% Romanian:G408" "0.0109"
[44,] "14.7% Beaker_Britain:I2568 + 85.3% Romanian:G408" "0.011"
[45,] "16.6% Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL83 + 83.4% Romanian:G408" "0.011"
[46,] "80.9% Romanian:G408 + 19.1% Swedish:Sweden7" "0.011"
[47,] "14.3% English:England13 + 85.7% Romanian:G408" "0.011"
[48,] "14.7% Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ9 + 85.3% Romanian:G408" "0.011"
[49,] "16.4% Icelandic:NA15764 + 83.6% Romanian:G408" "0.011"
[50,] "83.3% Romanian:G408 + 16.7% Swedish:Sweden6" "0.011"
[51,] "21.8% German:German37 + 78.2% Romanian:G408" "0.011"
[52,] "85.4% Romanian:G408 + 14.6% Scottish:Scottish21" "0.011"
[53,] "14.8% French:French14 + 85.2% Romanian:G408" "0.011"
[54,] "68% Bulgarian:Bulgaria1 + 32% English:England14" "0.0111"
[55,] "19.4% German:German41 + 80.6% Romanian:G408" "0.0111"
[56,] "14.7% Dutch:Netherlands20 + 85.3% Romanian:G408" "0.0111"
[57,] "39.9% German:German67 + 60.1% Romanian:G429" "0.0111"
[58,] "78.8% Romanian:G408 + 21.2% Swedish:Sweden13" "0.0111"
[59,] "63.3% Estonian:Est397 + 36.7% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071" "0.0111"
[60,] "14.8% Beaker_Central_Europe:I5658 + 85.2% Romanian:G408" "0.0111"