Classify 2 guys

[Dorian]

https://tospirto.net/system/media/232223/normal_SLIDER_2.jpg?1477295957
https://i.postimg.cc/sx2Pkz1Q/a.jpg (https://postimg.cc/34PDGPXY)
https://i.postimg.cc/KvzQVPgq/fs.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Thzr5W0g)
https://i.postimg.cc/C56CY2fv/as.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Satem]

I would say Dinarid+CM and Atlantid+Armenoid

[TheMaestro]

2nd one looks Turkish as fuck.

[Zeno]

Are they Greek or Turkish?

[Viridian1]

1 Armenoid Mtb. 2 Anatolid Alpine.

[vorobuthek]

Both armenoid

[Bakha]

Second guy looks armenian to me

[Kyp]

Dinarid + CM

Litorid

[Hulu]

Armenoids

[Dorian]

Are they Greek or Turkish?

1.Greek Cypriot 2.Greek born in Ioannina

[Adamastor]

They look Caucasian.

[Zeno]

1.Greek Cypriot 2.Greek born in Ioannina

They don't look like Greeks.

[Dorian]

They don't look like Greeks.

Are you just stating an observation or implying they really aren't?

[Zeno]

Are you just stating an observation or implying they really aren't?

The Greek Cypriot obviously isn't Greek. Greek Cypriots are just Hellenised Middle Easterners. Significant Greek admixture yes, but not majority Greek in terms of genetics (and phenotype apparently). As for Pontic Greek, he's Greek although atypical. Because most Pontic Greeks are not like him.

[Dorian]

The Greek Cypriot obviously isn't Greek. Greek Cypriots are just Hellenised Middle Easterners. Significant Greek admixture yes, but not majority Greek in terms of genetics (and phenotype apparently). As for Pontic Greek, he's Greek although atypical. Because most Pontic Greeks are not like him.

It's not sure what the 2nd guy is but as for GCs ,they are closer to ancient samples than modern mainland(which doesn't necessarily mean more actual Greek but says a lot) ...tribes have been hellenized in mainland too in antiquity but you'll never hear anyone calling them "hellenized"(obvious why) ,west-asian influenced("east med" litorid/taurid) phenotypes(not to be confused with moderns there) are part of Greek diversity(Minoans for example) from the beginning(probably in Italy too see:Etruscans) ,only areas and percentages change.
Both in history&prehistory we are tied to anatolia. Modern menas(levantines) aren't pure either ,more likely it's them who onced look Cypriot rather than the opposite.

[KingOf]

It's not sure what the 2nd guy is but as for GCs ,they are closer to ancient samples than modern mainland(which doesn't necessarily mean more actual Greek but says a lot) ...tribes have been hellenized in mainland too in antiquity but you'll never hear anyone calling them "hellenized"(obvious why) ,west-asian influenced("east med" litorid/taurid) phenotypes(not to be confused with moderns there) are part of Greek diversity(Minoans for example) from the beginning(probably in Italy too see:Etruscans) ,only areas and percentages change.
Both in history&prehistory we are tied to anatolia. Modern menas(levantines) aren't pure either ,more likely it's them who onced look Cypriot rather than the opposite.

Lavrentis 2.0

[Zeno]

It's not sure what the 2nd guy is but as for GCs ,they are closer to ancient samples than modern mainland(which doesn't necessarily mean more actual Greek but says a lot) ...tribes have been hellenized in mainland too in antiquity but you'll never hear anyone calling them "hellenized"(obvious why) ,west-asian influenced("east med" litorid/taurid) phenotypes(not to be confused with moderns there) are part of Greek diversity(Minoans for example) from the beginning(probably in Italy too see:Etruscans) ,only areas and percentages change.
Both in history&prehistory we are tied to anatolia. Modern menas(levantines) aren't pure either ,more likely it's them who onced look Cypriot rather than the opposite.

Says where? And Minoans were not "diverse". They had European phenotypes, with most prominent being the Mediterranean phenotype (obviously).

[Dorian]

Says where? And Minoans were not "diverse". They had European phenotypes, with most prominent being the Mediterranean phenotype (obviously).

I'm speaking about ancient Greek world in general along with the very first colonies and they were diverse(Meds,Alpines,Dinarics,CM,light types+"West Asianish" types.And it's common sense genetically that migrations from Anatolia would have brought a PORTION of such types.

"Hutchinson (1962, 59 - 60), wTote:
liThe racial homogeneity of its Neolithic inhabitants must still be a
matter of surmise, but it is clear that by the beginning of the Bronze
Age the great bulk of the popUlation belonged to what is usually known
as the Mediterranean Racell
, and "Early in the Bronze Age a second
racial element, the Tauric ('Armenoid'), began to enter Crete". "

It's not about percentages but presence,from the beginning such elements existed and they were as Greek as the rest types ,the fact that mixing with other people might have increased them is another thing,same could be said about the rest of types above who weren't exclusive to Greeks.

[Zeno]

I'm speaking about ancient Greek world in general along with the very first colonies and they were diverse(Meds,Alpines,Dinarics,CM,light types+"West Asianish" types.And it's common sense genetically that migrations from Anatolia would have brought a PORTION of such types.

"Hutchinson (1962, 59 - 60), wTote:
liThe racial homogeneity of its Neolithic inhabitants must still be a
matter of surmise, but it is clear that by the beginning of the Bronze
Age the great bulk of the popUlation belonged to what is usually known
as the Mediterranean Racell
, and "Early in the Bronze Age a second
racial element, the Tauric ('Armenoid'), began to enter Crete". "

It's not about percentages but presence,from the beginning such elements existed and they were as Greek as the rest types ,the fact that mixing with other people might have increased them is another thing,same could be said about the rest of types above who weren't exclusive to Greeks.

Ok, but the West Asianish types are rare regardless amongst Greeks normally. Way more rare than light types such as the Nordid phenotype for instance.

[chociprasa]

Armenoid + Pontid and Armenoid.