Issues of Łódź and Zamość

[Onychodus]

If Germans wanted only to reclaim their former territories than how to describe these actions?

Zamość
In 1942, Zamość County, due to its fertile black soil, was chosen for further German colonization in the General Government as part of Generalplan Ost. The city itself was initially to be renamed "Himmlerstadt" (Himmler City), later changed to "Pflugstadt" (Plough City). Reichsfuhrer Himmler visited Zamość in August 1942 and ordered that the buildings of the old city be demolished immediately and replaced by a "German town". The local German administrator, more sympathetic towards the town's Renaissance architecture, played for time by requesting what sort of German architecture was required. Teams of planners and architects had not reached a decision when the Germans were evicted by the Red Army.
The German occupiers had planned the relocation of at least 60,000 ethnic Germans in the area before the end of 1943. Before that, a "test trial" expulsion was performed in November 1941, and the whole operation ended in a pacification operation, combined with expulsions in June/July 1943 which was code named Wehrwolf Action I and II. Around 110,000 people from 297 villages were expelled. Around 30,000 victims were children who, if racially "clean" (i.e. had physical characteristics deemed "Germanic") were planned for germanisation in German families in the Third Reich. Most of the people expelled were sent as slave labour in Germany or to concentration camps.
Local people resisted the action with great determination; they escaped into forests, organised self-defence, helped people who were expelled, and bribed kidnapped children out of German hands. Until the middle of 1943, the Germans managed to settle 8,000 colonists, the number increased by a couple of thousand more in 1944. This settlement was met with fierce armed resistance by Polish Underground forces (see Zamość Uprising). The Nazis found it difficult to find many families suitable for Germanization and so settlement, and that those settlers they did find often fled in fear, because those evicted would burn down houses or kill their inhabitants.
The former President of Germany Horst Köhler was born to a family of German colonists in Skierbieszów.

Deportations of Poles from Zamość
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Wysiedlanie-Zamojszczyzna.jpg

Łódź
...Nazi hierarchy respected the wishes of the local governor of Reichsgau Wartheland, Arthur Greiser, and of many of the ethnic Germans living in the city, and annexed it to the Reich in November 1939. The city received the new name of Litzmannstadt after the German general Karl Litzmann, who captured the city during World War I...

What these two cities have to do with the lost German territories?
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/poland/map_of_poland.jpg

[Onychodus]

What have Bialystok(Belostok), Grodno(Hrodno), Wolkowysk, Byelsk and other to do with stolen German territories?

http://www.zonu.com/images/0X0/2011-05-27-13794/Third-Reich-1944.png

[The Lawspeaker]

Did you only come here in order to antagonise Germans ?

[Onychodus]

Did you only come here in order to antagonise Germans ?

There is a lot of revisionist stuff to validate every national socialist step.
Many revisionists openly state that national socialists only wanted to recover old German lands which were stolen by Versailles treaty and they wanted to recreate Polish state within its historical border.

I provide just facts.

[Mordid]

Poland is Poland, Germany is Germany. They dont need their land back anymore. End of.

[The Lawspeaker]

There is a lot of revisionist stuff to validate every national socialist step.
Many revisionists openly state that national socialists only wanted to recover old German lands which were stolen by Versailles treaty and they wanted to recreate Polish state within its historical border.

I provide just facts.
They invaded and militarily defeated Poland after Poland had refused any reasonable settlements when it comes to West Prussia and the lands it already occupied and had staged the Bromberg Massacre. Poland also had attack plans against Germany as early as 1930 and wanted to occupy Pommerania and parts leading as far west as Berlin. Poland also willingly collaborated in the 1938 assault on Austria where it claimed lands from Czechoslovakia.

For short: the Polish got exactly what they deserved. Karma is a bitch.

[BiałaZemsta]

They invaded and militarily defeated Poland after Poland had refused any reasonable settlements when it comes to West Prussia and the lands it already occupied and had staged the Bromberg Massacre. Poland also had attack plans against Germany as early as 1930 and wanted to occupy Pommerania and parts leading as far west as Berlin. Poland also willingly collaborated in the 1938 assault on Austria where it claimed lands from Czechoslovakia.

For short: the Polish got exactly what they deserved. Karma is a bitch.


Why would Poland accept settlements in West Prussia when it is their own land? The Poles had no obligation to deal with Germans.

[BiałaZemsta]

They invaded and militarily defeated Poland after Poland had refused any reasonable settlements when it comes to West Prussia and the lands it already occupied and had staged the Bromberg Massacre. Poland also had attack plans against Germany as early as 1930 and wanted to occupy Pommerania and parts leading as far west as Berlin. Poland also willingly collaborated in the 1938 assault on Austria where it claimed lands from Czechoslovakia.

For short: the Polish got exactly what they deserved. Karma is a bitch.


The Polish committed the Bromberg Massacre as revenge for Germany invading. How did they get what they deserve?

[The Lawspeaker]

The Polish committed the Bromberg Massacre as revenge for Germany invading. How did they get what they deserve?
So being heroes they took it out on the civilian population ? So you say that the German who killed scores of people here should have been rewarded for it by us killing scores of innocent German civilians ?

It was bad enough that we expelled them after 1945. We are clearly a better race then the Poles - maybe Hitler did have a point when he spoke about Germanics vs. Slavs.

[Mordid]

So being heroes they took it out on the civilian population ? So you say that the German who killed scores of people here should have been rewarded for it by us killing scores of innocent German civilians ?

It was bad enough that we expelled them after 1945. We are clearly a better race then the Poles - maybe Hitler did have a point when he spoke about Germanics vs. Slavs.



Dude, are you out of your mind ? :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Dude, are you out of your mind ? :D
Evidently not. We didn't have much of a German minority here but we didn't start killing them after the invasion. Of course: we arrested those that were suspect and interned them but that's it.

After the war some 1600 Germans were expelled - which I think of as very shameful because we are a better people then that.

[Onychodus]

There is no such thing as "German race".
30% of Germans are assimilated Slavs and unknown number are assimilated Celts.

[The Lawspeaker]

There is no such thing as "German race".
30% of Germans are assimilated Slavs and unknown number are assimilated Celts.
Denial.. not just a river in Egypt.

[Mordid]

There is no such thing as "German race".
30% of Germans are assimilated Slavs and unknown number are assimilated Celts.

He's not German, but Dutch.

[Arne]

He's not German, but Dutch.

What does it change in anyway ?

[The Lawspeaker]

What does it change in anyway ?
We are all of the same Germanic group. The Dietsers (Dutch/Flemish, and to an extent the Walloons) being a kind of West Germans and the Frisians being their own little Germanic group.

[Mordid]

What does it change in anyway ?

He thought Civis was German, but he isn't. So, that's why I'm explained him.

[The Lawspeaker]

He thought Civis was German, but he isn't. So, that's why I'm explained him.
Dutch may be a kind of Germans (in their origins) but that doesn't make a damn kraut.. ooh wait. I am a West Kraut but not a proper kraut. :D

[Mordid]

So being heroes they took it out on the civilian population ? So you say that the German who killed scores of people here should have been rewarded for it by us killing scores of innocent German civilians ?

It was bad enough that we expelled them after 1945. We are clearly a better race then the Poles - maybe Hitler did have a point when he spoke about Germanics vs. Slavs.



So, tell me, what make you a better race than Poles ? :rolleyes:

[Mordid]

Dutch may be a kind of Germans (in their origins) but that doesn't make a damn kraut.. ooh wait. I am a West Kraut but not a proper kraut. :D

Dutch is Dutch, German is German. Saying Pole is Russian is ridiculous. :wink

[The Lawspeaker]

So, tell me, what make you a better race than Poles ? :rolleyes:
We didn't murder them and we actually gave back territories even-though we rightfully claimed them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elten).

[Onychodus]

"He thought Civis was German"
was or is?

[Mercury]

There is no such thing as "German race".
30% of Germans are assimilated Slavs and unknown number are assimilated Celts.

But there is a German ethnicity. :P Slavs & Celtic tribes were a culture, hardly a 'race.'

[Mordid]

We didn't murder them and we actually gave back territories even-though we rightfully claimed them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elten).

I dont give a fuck. :yawn: At least, we're not living in WW2 anymore. ;)

[The Lawspeaker]

"He thought Civis was German"
was or is?
It would be very difficult for you to understand how stuff works between the Netherlands and Germany. Let's not even go there.

For me the Germans are bastards for the shit they have pulled here but they are still "our bastards".

[Mordid]

It would be very difficult for you to understand how stuff works between the Netherlands and Germany. Let's not even go there.

For me the Germans are bastards for the shit they have pulled here but they are still "our bastards".

Dude, just write Dutch on your ancestry box, so it's perfectly clear for them to know where you're from. :thumb001:
Russians had done much bad things for us Poles, but they are still our ''brother'' and ''sister''.

[Arne]

Dude, just write Dutch on your ancestry box, so it's perfectly clear for them to know where you're from. :thumb001:
Russians had done much bad things for us Poles, but they are still our ''brother'' and ''sister''.

it´s ridiculous to compare Dutch and Germans like russians and poles

[The Lawspeaker]

it´s ridiculous to compare Dutch and Germans like russians and poles
It's a helluva lot closer then that. Dat flikken jullie ons niet nog een keer, verstaan ? 1914 (België), 1940 en 1974 ! :D

[Mordid]

it´s ridiculous to compare Dutch and Germans like russians and poles

That's right and I didn't compare Dutch to German.

[Arne]

That's right and I didn't compare Dutch to German.

No, they look strinkingly foreign .. lol :coffee:

[Mordid]

No, they look strinkingly foreign .. lol :coffee:

What it got to do with look ? :confused:

[Arne]

What it got to do with look ? :confused:

maybe the germanic look ??

[Mordid]

maybe the germanic look ??

Sure.

[Onychodus]

German race?
Is it wrong for Slavs to have German relatives?

[Arne]

German race?
Is it wrong for Slavs to have German relatives?

Not if Poles go back where they spring from.

[Crossbow]

Poles seem to read only the books provided to them by Polish historians, or the ones who give a benevolent version of history . When other facts are presented, facts not to their liking, they start to cry wolf. I've seen Polish maps from the time Hitler was fairly unknown. What was it again, Poland from Berlin to the Black Sea, incorporating parts of Czechoslovakia as well? Do we have to fear Polish claims in the Netherlands, as they have set foor here as well?

[Onychodus]

Poles seem to read only the books provided to them by Polish historians, or the ones who give a benevolent version of history . When other facts are presented, facts not to their liking, they start to cry wolf. I've seen Polish maps from the time Hitler was fairly unknown. What was it again, Poland from Berlin to the Black Sea, incorporating parts of Czechoslovakia as well? Do we have to fear Polish claims in the Netherlands, as they have set foor here as well?

Source?

[Crossbow]

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/Waldenburg/Historyczne_Zachodnie_Granice_Polski-1.gif

There's still a lot left for you to rob! Maybe the EU will sustain your further claims?

[The Lawspeaker]

Poland, in that respect, is a lot like France. A roofstaat by lack of a better word.

[Crossbow]

Poland, in that respect, is a lot like France. A roofstaat by lack of a better word.

It is not a coincidence that both countries have been friends for some centuries. France had its 'gendarme' in the East (against Prussia) , and Poland thought it had a reliable friend.

[Arne]

Poland, in that respect, is a lot like France. A roofstaat by lack of a better word.

ein Raubstaat ?

[The Lawspeaker]

ein Raubstaat ?
Genau. (Exactly). It's not a compliment lol.

[BiałaZemsta]

We didn't murder them and we actually gave back territories even-though we rightfully claimed them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elten).

That logic does not work. The Germans were the killers. So to say that they are a better raise does not make sense when they committed the same atrocities but first.

[Raikaswinþs]

Lodz is a city that I particulary like. Enjoy the somewhat post/communist "hanging in time" feel of much of the city. Ulica Piertrowska is one of my favourite boluevards in the world.

Manufaktura is also a very interesting fussion of mall, civic centre and arts venue.

Lodz girls are drop dead gorgeous, and over all the city is bustling with life.


One of my top 5 polish cities

I know, this is somewhat an off topic but couldn't help myself

[The Lawspeaker]

That logic does not work. The Germans were the killers. So to say that they are a better raise does not make sense when they committed the same atrocities but first.
Bullocks. The Poles have always been attacking the Holy Roman Empire so it's a traditional fight.

[Mordid]

Lodz is a city that I particulary like. Enjoy the somewhat post/communist "hanging in time" feel of much of the city. Ulica Piertrowska is one of my favourite boluevards in the world.

Manufaktura is also a very interesting fussion of mall, civic centre and arts venue.

Lodz girls are drop dead gorgeous, and over all the city is bustling with life.


One of my top 5 polish cities

I know, this is somewhat an off topic but couldn't help myself
Pffft, Lodz is a shithole and couldn't be much better than Ruda Slaska.

[BiałaZemsta]

Bullocks. The Poles have always been attacking the Holy Roman Empire so it's a traditional fight.


You fail to prove your point.

[Crossbow]

That logic does not work. The Germans were the killers. So to say that they are a better raise does not make sense when they committed the same atrocities but first.

Poles oppressed all minorities present within its post-WW I borders, although they had promised to grant them rights. The conquest of parts of Lituania (Vilnius) and Ukraine and Belarus was a mixed blessing to the population of said countries. Poland provocated, oppressed a part of their own citizens (Polonization) and counted on total support of the Allies after WW I. They played an arrogant game, eventually got smashed by Germany and then started to cry and play off its role as a victim.

[The Lawspeaker]

You fail to prove your point.
Not really. Poland's genuine territory doesn't stretch beyond Posen. Which should be a Polish border town (at best) and as far east as Grodno. With West and East Prussia being German.

[BiałaZemsta]

Poles oppressed all minorities present within its post-WW I borders, although they had promised to grant them rights. The conquest of parts of Lituania (Vilnius) and Ukraine and Belarus was a mixed blessing to the population of said countries. Poland provocated, oppressed a part of their own citizens (Polonization) and counted on total support of the Allies after WW I. They played an arrogant game, eventually got smashed by Germany and then started to cry and play off its role as a victim.

Why should Poland accommodate foreign populations within its borders?

[The Lawspeaker]

Why should Poland accommodate foreign populations within its borders?
To be translated as: why should Poland protect the peoples it subjugated against their will ?

Yet again.. the comparison Poland/France works as France did and does exactly the same thing.

[BiałaZemsta]

Not really. Poland's genuine territory doesn't stretch beyond Posen. Which should be a Polish border town (at best) and as far east as Grodno. With West and East Prussia being German.

Too bad. It is Polish land now. If the Germans want it back they can try to fight for it.

[BiałaZemsta]

To be translated as: why should Poland protect the peoples it subjugated against their will ?

Yet again.. the comparison Poland/France works as France did and does exactly the same thing.


Poland is responsible for Polish people, not the well being of foreigners.

[Crossbow]

Why should Poland accommodate foreign populations within its borders?

That says it all: (I meant that says everything of the attitude now and then. My mistake)

[Mordid]

I wish there is more Polish member, so they can sort it out because I'm not an expert when it's come to history. :(

[The Lawspeaker]

Too bad. It is Polish land now. If the Germans want it back they can try to fight for it.
Like in 1939. I hope they destroy Poland (and I mean down to the last Polak if need be) then this time.. and destroy France too while we remain neutral and simply take back the lands that belong to us.

I have to hand the French one thing: I don't see swats of them invading our borders because they can at least maintain their own economy something the Polish have never been capable off.

[BiałaZemsta]

Like in 1939. I hope they destroy Poland (and I mean down to the last Polak) then this time.. and destroy France too while we remain neutral and simply take back the lands that belong to us.

That is quite ambitious.

[Mordid]

Like in 1939. I hope they destroy Poland (and I mean down to the last Polak if need be) then this time.. and destroy France too while we remain neutral and simply take back the lands that belong to us.

I have to hand the French one thing: I don't see swats of them invading our borders because they can at least maintain their own economy something the Polish have never been capable off.

Take it easy, dude. :D

[Onychodus]

Like in 1939. I hope they destroy Poland (and I mean down to the last Polak) then this time.. and destroy France too while we remain neutral and simply take back the lands that belong to us.

Who they? Jannisary?

[The Lawspeaker]

That is quite ambitious.
Nah it worked very well in 1939 ( a couple of weeks for the Germans) and 1940 (another couple of weeks).

Point is: both Poles and French are worth shit on the battlefield if not supported by others unless their enemy is weaker

[Mordid]

Too bad. It is Polish land now. If the Germans want it back they can try to fight for it.

Yes, like I said, it's not WW2 anymore. I dont know why they're bothering with it..:D

[BiałaZemsta]

Nah it worked very well in 1939 ( a couple of weeks for the Germans) and 1940 (another couple of weeks).

Point is: both Poles and French are worth shit on the battlefield if not supported by others unless their enemy is weaker

A couple of weeks is quite a while for a country to hold back two super powers without any help from others.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes, like I said, it's not WW2 anymore. I dont know why they're bothering with it..:D
That's pretty rich coming from a Polak whose nation aided in the attack on Czechoslovakia in 1938 and that made plans against another nation during times of perfect peace (1930) and that oppressed it's own minorities.

I have never heard of the Germans oppressing the remaining Dutch-speakers, the Frisians or the Danes ... or the Sorbs for that matter.

[The Lawspeaker]

A couple of weeks is quite a while for a country to hold back two super powers without any help from others.
This time it would be in 24 hours. They only need to call in the loans. :thumb001:

[Onychodus]

Sorb culture was forbidden

[Mordid]

Look, the point is why are we living on history side ? Like I said, Poland is Poland and Germany is Germany. They dont need their land back because it's not WW2 anymore, for god sake. Saying Germans need Poland land is stupid.

[The Lawspeaker]

Sorb culture was forbidden
Bullshit. They were considered Germans that spoke a Slav language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs#History) and their culture and language were actually encouraged in a controlled manner and a lot of them got enlisted in the German army.

[The Lawspeaker]

Look, the point is why are we living on history side ? Like I said, Poland is Poland and Germany is Germany. They dont need their land back because it's not WW2 anymore, for god sake. Saying Germans need Poland land is stupid.
Would you say that too if half your country was occupied by Russia or by Germany ? Ooh wait.. half of Poland is indeed occupied by Belarus and parts by the Ukraine. Courteousy of the USSR. Maybe you should demand that back instead of nicking other peoples' land ? :lightbul:

[Mordid]

Bullshit. They were considered Germans that spoke a Slav language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs#History) and their culture and language were actually encouraged in a controlled manner and a lot of them got enlisted in the German army.



Aren't they Germanicised Slav ?

[The Lawspeaker]

Aren't they Germanicised Slav ?
And ? They seem to be o.k with being good German citizens.

[BiałaZemsta]

I have never heard of the Germans oppressing the remaining Dutch-speakers, the Frisians or the Danes ... or the Sorbs for that matter.


Which is why the Dutch have larger problems with immigrants than Poland.

[Mordid]

Would you say that too if half your country was occupied by Russia or by Germany ? Ooh wait.. half of Poland is indeed occupied by Belarus and parts by the Ukraine. Courteousy of the USSR.


I dont give a damn. I'm happy with my land and nothing change.

[The Lawspeaker]

Which is why the Dutch have larger problems with immigrants than Poland.
The difference being that Poland was too dirt poor to be attractive to immigrants and apart from the Jews in Poland the minorities were no immigrants but people that had been overrun by Poland. Subjugated, victimised and raped.

[Onychodus]

Bullshit. They were considered Germans that spoke a Slav language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs#History) and their culture and language were actually encouraged in a controlled manner and a lot of them got enlisted in the German army.



They were considered as Germans but their culture was Slavic (non-aryan)

[Mordid]

And ? They seem to be o.k with being good German citizens.

Sorbs are West Slavic people of Central Europe living in Germany.

[The Lawspeaker]

They were considered as Germans but their culture was Slavic (non-aryan)
And still their culture was nurtured and protected. So the Germans are better then the Poles.


Sorbs are West Slavic people of Central Europe living in Germany.
And still good Germans and protected under law. Which is more then the minorities in Poland could ever say.

[Mordid]

And still their culture was nurtured and protected. So the Germans are better then the Poles.


Yeah right...:rolleyes:

[BiałaZemsta]

... apart from the Jews in Poland the minorities were no immigrants but people that had been overrun by Poland. Subjugated, victimised and raped.


I agree with that. So Poland is able to conquer other countries. Am I not supposed to be proud of that?

[Mordid]

The difference being that Poland was too dirt poor to be attractive to immigrants and apart from the Jews in Poland the minorities were no immigrants but people that had been overrun by Poland. Subjugated, victimised and raped.


Too bad, Jews are gone. Holland has full of immigrants much more than Poland.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Not really. Poland's genuine territory doesn't stretch beyond Posen. Which should be a Polish border town (at best) and as far east as Grodno. With West and East Prussia being German.

Where is Jarl when we need him..? :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Too bad, Jews are gone. Holland has full of immigrants much more than Poland.
We'll kick them out one day. Including those Polaks.

[Mordid]

We'll kick them out one day. Including those Polaks.

Well, If I were in Holland, would you kick me too ? ;)

[Crossbow]

Which is why the Dutch have larger problems with immigrants than Poland.

Don't worry: when I'm not mistaken there are already blacks living in Warschau. I am sure the amount of immigrants will grow (maybe slowly at first), and Poland wants to be a good friend of the US and become important in the EU. After all, human right and democracy is what does the job, and Poland will not be able to withdraw from that.

[The Lawspeaker]

Well, If I were in Holland, would you kick me too ? ;)
Ja. Je gaat op de eerste trein naar Warschau. Wegwezen !

[Mordid]

Ja. Je gaat op de eerste trein naar Warschau. Opsodemieteren.


Jesteś palcem robiony. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Jesteś palcem robiony. :D
Opdonderen. Terug naar Polen ! :lightbul:

[Mordid]

Opdonderen. Terug naar Polen ! :lightbul:

I am....in Poland, lol.

[The Lawspeaker]

I am....in Poland, lol.
If you would have been here should have fucked off back to Poland. We have no use for immigrants here. :D
And your countrymen are already trouble here so we should put them on exactly the same train.

[Mordid]

If you would have been here should have fucked off back to Poland. We have no use for immigrants here. :D
And your countrymen are already trouble here so we should put them on exactly the same train.

At least, I'm not in Holland, multicultural country. Thank god, I dont see blacks, moroccans, pakis and other on the street of Poland. But can you really put them on the same train ? I hope not...:p

[The Lawspeaker]

At least, I'm not in Holland, multicultural country. Thank god, I dont see blacks, moroccans, pakis and other on the street of Poland. But can you really put them on the same train ? I hope not...:p
Yes please. Turn them into good Polaks. We have no use for them.

[Mordid]

Yes please. Turn them into good Polaks. We have no use for them.


You should be consider yourself a lucky guy because Poles are very hardworking and they have the finest chick out there. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

You should be consider yourself a lucky guy because Poles are very hardworking and they have the finest chick out there. :D
"Shrugs" We have a good work ethic here (we have a functioning country unlike the Poles) and we have pretty girls here too. The hottest unfortunately live across that fake border: in Flanders. But we still have Brabant and Limburg that make up for it. :thumb001:

[Mordid]

"Shrugs" We have a good work ethic here (we have a functioning country like the Poles) and we have pretty ulgy girls here too. The not so hottest unfortunately live across that fake border: in Flanders. But we still have Brabant and Limburg that make up for it. :thumb001:

Fixed. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Fixed. :D
Clearly - you have never been here.

[Mordid]

Clearly - you have never been here.

Actually, I have.

[The Lawspeaker]

Actually, I have.
Bullshit.

[Mordid]

Bullshit.


No, I'm not a liar. Look at my face.
http://mckimmey.org/img/pictures/Zoe/20060807/zoe_serious_look.jpg
You call that bullshit face ? I dont think so!

[The Lawspeaker]

No, I'm not a liar. Look at my face.
http://mckimmey.org/img/pictures/Zoe/20060807/zoe_serious_look.jpg
You call that bullshit face ? I dont think so!
That's not you. It's a little girl called Zoe and she is probably American.

[Mordid]

That's not you. It's a little girl called Zoe and she is probably American.


Ok, you got me, but at least, I'm not bullshitting you, mate. ;)

[Crossbow]

Too bad. It is Polish land now. If the Germans want it back they can try to fight for it.

For the time being, it is not Poland who is pulling the European train, and it never will. Just don't shout to hard, Poland is going to receive 67 billions of dollars, guess who pays for that? A fight is not necessary.