GEDmatch kits of Moorish bodies found in Spain.

[Adamm]

I'll try to post most results here in this topic for those who are interested in the subject.

https://i.imgur.com/jE45rlQ.png


Kit PY9273538

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.1
2 West_Med 29.95
3 East_Med 12.2
4 Northeast_African 9.21
5 Baltic 6.71
6 West_Asian 4.45
7 Red_Sea 3.49
8 Oceanian 1.77
9 Amerindian 0.98
10 East_Asian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 11.5
2 Spanish_Extremadura 11.65
3 Portuguese 12.26
4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.63
5 Spanish_Murcia 12.75
6 Spanish_Galicia 12.78
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.95
8 North_Italian 13.48
9 Spanish_Valencia 13.84
10 Spanish_Cantabria 14.08
11 Spanish_Cataluna 14.65
12 Spanish_Aragon 14.95
13 Southwest_French 15.89
14 Tuscan 16.58
15 French 19.57
16 West_Sicilian 20.74
17 Italian_Abruzzo 22.16
18 Greek_Thessaly 22.76
19 French_Basque 23.58
20 Romanian 24.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% Spanish_Andalucia + 11% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 5.74
2 87.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 5.91
3 87.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 12.9% Somali @ 5.92
4 86.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.2% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 6.02
5 86.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.9% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.53
6 86.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 13.6% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 6.56
7 90% Spanish_Andalucia + 10% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 6.8
8 86.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 13.3% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 7.18
9 89.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 10.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 7.19
10 86.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 13.9% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 7.2
11 88.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 11.5% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 7.21
12 86.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 13.5% Somali @ 7.27
13 89.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 10.2% Hadza @ 7.37
14 89% Spanish_Andalucia + 11% Maasai @ 7.44
15 85.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 14.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 7.51
16 85.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 14.4% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 7.6
17 88.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 11.5% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 7.67
18 83.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 16.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 7.67
19 84.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 15.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 7.68
20 85.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 14.9% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 7.74

[Samnium]

Wow very high North Atlantic and West Med.

[Adamm]

Kit XU2905144

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 27.41
2 North_Atlantic 25.87
3 East_Med 16.73
4 Red_Sea 11.91
5 West_Asian 7.93
6 Sub-Saharan 3.26
7 Baltic 2.89
8 Amerindian 1.75
9 Siberian 1.73
10 South_Asian 0.31
11 Northeast_African 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 12.98
2 North_Italian 13.87
3 West_Sicilian 14.78
4 Spanish_Extremadura 15.41
5 Italian_Abruzzo 16.16
6 Spanish_Andalucia 16.63
7 Portuguese 16.89
8 Spanish_Galicia 17.14
9 Spanish_Murcia 17.31
10 East_Sicilian 18.04
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 18.22
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.45
13 South_Italian 18.61
14 Central_Greek 18.74
15 Spanish_Valencia 18.75
16 Greek_Thessaly 18.86
17 Spanish_Cataluna 19.69
18 Spanish_Cantabria 20.12
19 Spanish_Aragon 20.41
20 Sephardic_Jewish 21.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.1% French_Basque + 46.9% Bedouin @ 6.57
2 51.6% French_Basque + 48.4% Syrian @ 8.07
3 64% Spanish_Aragon + 36% Bedouin @ 8.34
4 69.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 30.2% Bedouin @ 8.45
5 64.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 35.5% Bedouin @ 8.48
6 72.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 27.9% Bedouin @ 8.55
7 67.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 32.7% Bedouin @ 8.58
8 53.6% French_Basque + 46.4% Jordanian @ 8.6
9 74.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 25.2% Saudi @ 8.63
10 61.9% Southwest_French + 38.1% Bedouin @ 8.66
11 59.2% French_Basque + 40.8% Saudi @ 8.71
12 53.9% French_Basque + 46.1% Palestinian @ 8.78
13 63.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 36.6% Moroccan @ 8.9
14 71.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 28.8% Syrian @ 8.99
15 54.2% French_Basque + 45.8% Samaritan @ 9.04
16 60.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 39.1% Moroccan @ 9.05
17 62.8% Spanish_Aragon + 37.2% Syrian @ 9.1
18 77.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 22.8% Saudi @ 9.11
19 63.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 36.7% Syrian @ 9.13
20 63.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 36.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 9.18

[Adamm]

Kit HD9863067

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.72
2 West_Med 25.18
3 East_Med 16.72
4 Baltic 10.97
5 Red_Sea 5.85
6 Northeast_African 2.69
7 West_Asian 2.3
8 East_Asian 1.26
9 Sub-Saharan 1.15
10 Amerindian 1.11
11 Oceanian 0.72
12 South_Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.59
2 Portuguese 6.95
3 Spanish_Extremadura 7.09
4 Spanish_Galicia 7.83
5 Spanish_Murcia 8.41
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9
7 Spanish_Andalucia 9.22
8 Spanish_Valencia 9.65
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.19
10 Spanish_Cataluna 10.29
11 Tuscan 10.44
12 Spanish_Cantabria 11.76
13 Spanish_Aragon 13.04
14 Southwest_French 13.7
15 French 14.27
16 West_Sicilian 16.2
17 Greek_Thessaly 17.23
18 Italian_Abruzzo 17.56
19 Romanian 17.95
20 Bulgarian 18.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.4% Southwest_French + 25.6% Egyptian @ 2.19
2 80.3% Spanish_Galicia + 19.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.9
3 84.4% Spanish_Galicia + 15.6% Egyptian @ 2.91
4 77.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 22.5% Egyptian @ 2.98
5 78.2% Spanish_Galicia + 21.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.01
6 82.1% Portuguese + 17.9% Moroccan @ 3.03
7 82.3% Portuguese + 17.7% Tunisian @ 3.06
8 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.12
9 86.3% Portuguese + 13.7% Egyptian @ 3.13
10 75% Southwest_French + 25% Bedouin @ 3.14
11 81.9% Portuguese + 18.1% Algerian @ 3.18
12 86.7% Portuguese + 13.3% Bedouin @ 3.21
13 84.8% Spanish_Galicia + 15.2% Jordanian @ 3.24
14 78% Spanish_Cantabria + 22% Bedouin @ 3.26
15 84.9% Spanish_Galicia + 15.1% Bedouin @ 3.28
16 85.2% Spanish_Galicia + 14.8% Samaritan @ 3.29
17 85% Spanish_Galicia + 15% Palestinian @ 3.32
18 78.3% Spanish_Galicia + 21.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.33
19 76.2% Spanish_Galicia + 23.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.34
20 74.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 25.3% Moroccan @ 3.37

[Adamm]

Kit DK7311611

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.8
2 West_Med 27.81
3 East_Med 17.36
4 Baltic 7.57
5 Red_Sea 7.39
6 Northeast_African 4.31
7 Sub-Saharan 1.4
8 Amerindian 0.9
9 West_Asian 0.55
10 Siberian 0.44
11 Oceanian 0.28
12 East_Asian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 8.44
2 Portuguese 9.15
3 Spanish_Murcia 9.65
4 North_Italian 9.75
5 Spanish_Andalucia 9.79
6 Spanish_Galicia 9.8
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.48
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.91
9 Spanish_Valencia 11.1
10 Tuscan 12.42
11 Spanish_Cataluna 12.49
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.84
13 Spanish_Aragon 13.25
14 Southwest_French 14.98
15 West_Sicilian 17.25
16 French 17.72
17 Italian_Abruzzo 19.35
18 Greek_Thessaly 20
19 East_Sicilian 21.73
20 Romanian 22.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 28.6% Moroccan @ 2.53
2 71.2% Spanish_Valencia + 28.8% Moroccan @ 2.79
3 67.2% Spanish_Aragon + 32.8% Moroccan @ 2.86
4 74.2% Spanish_Murcia + 25.8% Moroccan @ 2.86
5 71.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 28.6% Algerian @ 3
6 72.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 27.5% Moroccan @ 3.04
7 77.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 22.9% Moroccan @ 3.07
8 68% Spanish_Cantabria + 32% Moroccan @ 3.15
9 72.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 27.6% Tunisian @ 3.18
10 74.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 25.8% Moroccan @ 3.32
11 67% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Algerian @ 3.33
12 71.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 28.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.38
13 67.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 32.2% Algerian @ 3.4
14 75.7% Portuguese + 24.3% Moroccan @ 3.42
15 64.2% Southwest_French + 35.8% Algerian @ 3.47
16 68.1% Spanish_Aragon + 31.9% Tunisian @ 3.49
17 64.5% Southwest_French + 35.5% Moroccan @ 3.51
18 68.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.1% Tunisian @ 3.56
19 77.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 22.6% Algerian @ 3.64
20 68.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.1% Moroccan @ 3.65

[Adamm]

Wow very high North Atlantic and West Med.

It looks like most of them are indigenous Iberians with a small North African admixture.

[Samnium]

It looks like most of them are indigenous Iberians with a small North African admixture.

Yep !

[Samnium]

The XU2905144 is by far the most admixed.

[dududud]

Interesting...

[Adamm]

Kit AN1720805

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 30.68
2 North_Atlantic 26.47
3 East_Med 25.06
4 Baltic 5.79
5 Red_Sea 4.36
6 Sub-Saharan 3.9
7 Amerindian 2.3
8 South_Asian 1.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 11.78
2 North_Italian 12.5
3 West_Sicilian 13.91
4 Spanish_Extremadura 15.68
5 Spanish_Andalucia 15.94
6 Spanish_Murcia 16.57
7 Portuguese 16.57
8 Spanish_Valencia 16.74
9 Spanish_Galicia 17.43
10 Italian_Abruzzo 17.51
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 18
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.18
13 Greek_Thessaly 18.38
14 East_Sicilian 18.48
15 South_Italian 18.53
16 Spanish_Cataluna 18.9
17 Central_Greek 19.27
18 Spanish_Aragon 19.67
19 Spanish_Cantabria 19.74
20 Ashkenazi 20.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.2% Algerian_Jewish + 38.8% French_Basque @ 7.87
2 68.9% Tuscan + 31.1% Sardinian @ 7.92
3 50.9% Spanish_Aragon + 49.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 7.99
4 50.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 49.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 8.17
5 51.7% Algerian_Jewish + 48.3% Southwest_French @ 8.18
6 55.9% Spanish_Valencia + 44.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 8.18
7 60.9% Spanish_Valencia + 39.1% Tunisian @ 8.18
8 57.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 8.42
9 53.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 46.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 8.52
10 62.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 37.3% Tunisian @ 8.53
11 58.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 41.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 8.69
12 56.5% Spanish_Murcia + 43.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 8.76
13 56.2% Spanish_Aragon + 43.8% Tunisian @ 8.82
14 61% Spanish_Valencia + 39% Algerian @ 8.87
15 61.5% Spanish_Valencia + 38.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.91
16 72.1% North_Italian + 27.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.93
17 72.1% North_Italian + 27.9% Tunisian @ 8.96
18 54.9% Spanish_Galicia + 45.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 8.99
19 53.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 46.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 9.05
20 64.1% West_Sicilian + 35.9% Sardinian @ 9.1

[Adamm]

Kit AJ8615353

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.77
2 West_Med 26.38
3 East_Med 24.23
4 Baltic 7.95
5 Red_Sea 5.44
6 Northeast_African 3.63
7 Sub-Saharan 2.63
8 Oceanian 1.07
9 Siberian 0.79
10 Amerindian 0.1
11 West_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 9.53
2 North_Italian 10.34
3 West_Sicilian 12.59
4 Spanish_Extremadura 13.67
5 Portuguese 13.83
6 Spanish_Murcia 14.38
7 Spanish_Andalucia 14.53
8 Spanish_Galicia 15.1
9 Spanish_Valencia 15.19
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.66
11 Italian_Abruzzo 15.89
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 16.33
13 Greek_Thessaly 16.48
14 Spanish_Cataluna 16.79
15 East_Sicilian 17.23
16 Central_Greek 18.25
17 Spanish_Cantabria 18.27
18 South_Italian 18.28
19 Spanish_Aragon 18.51
20 Ashkenazi 18.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Spanish_Valencia + 38.9% Tunisian @ 4.36
2 60.6% Spanish_Valencia + 39.4% Algerian @ 5.04
3 70.2% Spanish_Valencia + 29.8% Egyptian @ 5.24
4 62.9% Spanish_Murcia + 37.1% Tunisian @ 5.29
5 62.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 37.4% Tunisian @ 5.36
6 58.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 41.3% Tunisian @ 5.41
7 71.5% North_Italian + 28.5% Algerian @ 5.53
8 64.1% Portuguese + 35.9% Tunisian @ 5.58
9 72.3% North_Italian + 27.7% Tunisian @ 5.65
10 72.5% North_Italian + 27.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.68
11 61.8% Spanish_Valencia + 38.2% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.73
12 57% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 43% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.74
13 62.3% Spanish_Valencia + 37.7% Moroccan @ 5.74
14 59.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 40.4% Tunisian @ 5.75
15 56.2% Spanish_Aragon + 43.8% Tunisian @ 5.75
16 73% North_Italian + 27% Moroccan @ 5.81
17 60.6% Portuguese + 39.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.83
18 60.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 39.2% Tunisian @ 5.86
19 64.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 35.4% Tunisian @ 5.94
20 59.6% Spanish_Murcia + 40.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.95

[Adamm]

Kit AQ3736072

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.57
2 West_Med 22.61
3 East_Med 17.57
4 Baltic 12.6
5 Red_Sea 8.16
6 Northeast_African 6.08
7 Siberian 1.99
8 East_Asian 0.4
9 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 10.7
2 North_Italian 10.89
3 Spanish_Galicia 11.37
4 Spanish_Extremadura 11.5
5 Spanish_Murcia 12.24
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.32
7 Tuscan 12.86
8 Spanish_Andalucia 13.66
9 Spanish_Valencia 13.87
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.07
11 Spanish_Cataluna 14.08
12 Spanish_Cantabria 15.51
13 French 16.2
14 Spanish_Aragon 16.76
15 Southwest_French 17.18
16 West_Sicilian 17.52
17 Greek_Thessaly 18
18 Romanian 18.27
19 Serbian 18.84
20 Italian_Abruzzo 19.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.2% Portuguese + 13.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 5.48
2 86.6% Portuguese + 13.4% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 5.67
3 85.3% Spanish_Galicia + 14.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 5.69
4 63.7% French + 36.3% Moroccan @ 5.79
5 79% Spanish_Galicia + 21% Egyptian @ 5.83
6 85.8% Spanish_Galicia + 14.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 5.93
7 69.5% Southwest_French + 30.5% Egyptian @ 6.01
8 77.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 22.6% Egyptian @ 6.14
9 83.4% Spanish_Galicia + 16.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.16
10 80.7% Portuguese + 19.3% Egyptian @ 6.17
11 82.2% Spanish_Valencia + 17.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.18
12 85.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 14.4% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.34
13 82.6% Spanish_Valencia + 17.4% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 6.34
14 75.6% Portuguese + 24.4% Moroccan @ 6.47
15 84.9% Portuguese + 15.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.48
16 86% Spanish_Extremadura + 14% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 6.49
17 82.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 17.9% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.52
18 84.7% Spanish_Murcia + 15.3% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.54
19 82.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 17.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.55
20 63.5% French + 36.5% Algerian @ 6.56

[Rocinante]

The first one isn't pure moorish, it's impossible. The North Atlantic and West Med are too high. Just look at the single population list, no 0 MENA. Incredible

[Adamm]

The first one isn't pure moorish, it's impossible. The North Atlantic and West Med are too high. Just look at the single population list, no 0 MENA. Incredible

He has Red_Sea and Northeast_African....

Also there is no such a thing as 'pure' Moorish.

[Rocinante]

He has Red_Sea and Northeast_African....

Also there is no such a thing as 'pure' Moorish.

I mean in the single populations. It's all european populations. I know moors weren't pure but that sample is more european than north african

[Karol Klačansky]

Arent the moors super human African Americans who are indigenous to the United States and from whom everyone stole all knowledge and science from... Lol

[Dick]

He has Red_Sea and Northeast_African....

Also there is no such a thing as 'pure' Moorish.

What are their ydna's?

[Adamm]

What are their ydna's?

I'm not sure but if I'm not mistaken most of them were on E-M81, I'll try to find more about this.

[happycow]

Cool thanks for sharing :)

[Nassbean]

This confirms what i was saying since the begining...interesting but it does not correlate with another study who had moorish samples too. From which area are these ones exactly ?

[Mingle]

The first one isn't pure moorish, it's impossible. The North Atlantic and West Med are too high. Just look at the single population list, no 0 MENA. Incredible

Moor ≠ North African

Moor was just the word used for Muslims in general. Most Moors in Spain were of mainly Spanish ancestry as can be seen by the results in this thread.

[Gaditanian]

Moor ≠ North African

Moor was just the word used for Muslims in general. Most Moors in Spain were of mainly Spanish ancestry as can be seen by the results in this thread.

80% of Al-Andalus population were medievals christians

The collapse of Al-Andalus came with the fall of the Caliphate and the arrival of the muslims fanatics ( Almoravids & Almohads ).

Christians & Jews had to pay the muslim tax, but muslims fanatics didn't want taxes, only they wanted the conquer and the convertion to the whole population to Islam.

[Kyp]

Troll strike

[Gota_type_]

If people realized that the majority of the muslims in Al Andalus were Spanish (many of them visigoths) converted to islam for political-economical reasons, people would stop to say nonsenses about moorish Spain. This is how muslims looked like in Al-Andalus:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Moorish_ceiling_at_the_Sala_de_los_Reyes%2C_Alhamb ra.jpg
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/badajoz-spain-dic-th-miniature-depicting-muslim-court-belonged-to-book-cantigas-de-santa-maria-original-ay-el-escorial-libray-140666604.jpg

And this also goes to today´s muslims from northafrica or other places, that they keep believing that "they" ruled most of Spain.... If they knew that the moors that ruled most of Spain were white and basically full Europeans, they would stop about thinking that they were great in Al-Andalus. A minority were in fact north-africans...but pure caucasoid types (since islam started to enslave blacks in the XII-XIII centuries and that is why today´s northafricans are mulattoes, and the ones that entered in Spain remained almost fully caucasoid.

[Cristiano viejo]

These examples just show they were mostly converted Iberians (aka traitors), as is very well known :bored:

[StonyArabia]

They look North African and Arabian admixed based on the results. It would be interesting to see the results of the Moors who conquered the area, I doubt they would be this much Spanish. Yes since many of the Moors were Spanish converts and were Arabized. These are just locals converts who mixed with Arabians and North Africans

[StonyArabia]

Kit XU2905144

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 27.41
2 North_Atlantic 25.87
3 East_Med 16.73
4 Red_Sea 11.91
5 West_Asian 7.93
6 Sub-Saharan 3.26
7 Baltic 2.89
8 Amerindian 1.75
9 Siberian 1.73
10 South_Asian 0.31
11 Northeast_African 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 12.98
2 North_Italian 13.87
3 West_Sicilian 14.78
4 Spanish_Extremadura 15.41
5 Italian_Abruzzo 16.16
6 Spanish_Andalucia 16.63
7 Portuguese 16.89
8 Spanish_Galicia 17.14
9 Spanish_Murcia 17.31
10 East_Sicilian 18.04
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 18.22
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.45
13 South_Italian 18.61
14 Central_Greek 18.74
15 Spanish_Valencia 18.75
16 Greek_Thessaly 18.86
17 Spanish_Cataluna 19.69
18 Spanish_Cantabria 20.12
19 Spanish_Aragon 20.41
20 Sephardic_Jewish 21.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.1% French_Basque + 46.9% Bedouin @ 6.57
2 51.6% French_Basque + 48.4% Syrian @ 8.07
3 64% Spanish_Aragon + 36% Bedouin @ 8.34
4 69.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 30.2% Bedouin @ 8.45
5 64.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 35.5% Bedouin @ 8.48
6 72.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 27.9% Bedouin @ 8.55
7 67.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 32.7% Bedouin @ 8.58
8 53.6% French_Basque + 46.4% Jordanian @ 8.6
9 74.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 25.2% Saudi @ 8.63
10 61.9% Southwest_French + 38.1% Bedouin @ 8.66
11 59.2% French_Basque + 40.8% Saudi @ 8.71
12 53.9% French_Basque + 46.1% Palestinian @ 8.78
13 63.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 36.6% Moroccan @ 8.9
14 71.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 28.8% Syrian @ 8.99
15 54.2% French_Basque + 45.8% Samaritan @ 9.04
16 60.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 39.1% Moroccan @ 9.05
17 62.8% Spanish_Aragon + 37.2% Syrian @ 9.1
18 77.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 22.8% Saudi @ 9.11
19 63.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 36.7% Syrian @ 9.13
20 63.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 36.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 9.18


This sample shows Arabian admixture especially through the Bedouin and Saudi

[axel.aleman]

Interesante

[Gallop]

Is K13?

[Adamm]

Is K13?

Pff this was a long time ago, but yes K13 if I'm not wrong.

[Gallop]

AL-ANDALUS

Kit PY9273538

Resultados de la mezcla (ordenados):

# Porcentaje de población
1 North_Atlantic 31.1
2 West_Med 29.95
3 East_Med 12.2
4 Northeast_African 9.21
5 Báltico 6.71
6 West_Asian 4.45
7 Red_Sea 3.49
8 Oceanian 1.77
9 Amerindian 0.98
10 East_Asian 0.13

1 89% Spanish_Andalucia + 11% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 5.74

1 Español_Andalucía 11,5
2 Español_Extremadura 11,65

Kit XU2905144

Admix resultados (ordenada):

# Población Porcentaje
1 West_Med 27,41
2 North_Atlantic 25,87
3 East_Med 16,73
4 Red_Sea 11,91
5 West_Asian 7,93
6 subsahariana 3,26
7 Báltico 2,89
8 amerindia 1,75
9 siberiano 1,73
10 South_Asian 0,31
11 Northeast_African 0,22

1 Toscana 12.98

1 53,1% Francés_Basco + 46,9% Beduino @ 6,57

Kit DK7311611

1 North_Atlantic 31,8
2 West_Med 27,81
3 East_Med 17,36
4 Báltico 7,57
5 Red_Sea 7,39
6 Northeast_African 4,31
7 subsahariana 1,4
8 amerindia 0,9
9 West_Asian 0,55
10 siberiano 0,44
11 Oceanía 0,28
12 East_Asian 0,19

1 Español_Extremadura 8.44

1 71,4% Castellano_Castilla_La_Mancha + 28,6% Marroquí @ 2,53


ANDALUSIA

Gallop
1 North_Atlantic 40.81
2 West_Med 29.04
3 Baltic 10.00
4 East_Med 6.81
5 West_Asian 5.78
6 Red_Sea 3.11
7 Northeast_African 2.34
8 Siberian 1.32

1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.981552

1 50% French_Basque +25% Romanian +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.688785


Gallop`s Father
1 North_Atlantic 39.79
2 West_Med 27.81
3 Baltic 12.41
4 East_Med 10.41
5 Sub-Saharan 3.52
6 Red_Sea 2.44
7 West_Asian 2.22
8 Siberian 1.40

1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.217156

1 50% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.489901

Gallop´s Father
1 North_Atlantic 39.52
2 West_Med 28.36
3 Baltic 12.10
4 East_Med 11.77
5 Sub-Saharan 3.91
6 Red_Sea 2.11
7 Siberian 1.23
8 West_Asian 1.00

1 Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.686816

1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.980949

1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.878018


Andalusian Woman (Networks)
1 North_Atlantic 40.28
2 West_Med 27.56
3 Baltic 10.88
4 East_Med 10.80
5 Red_Sea 5.02
6 West_Asian 2.56
7 Northeast_African 1.50

1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.162459

1 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.142708



We do not have any relatives in Cantabria, Galizia, Castilla León e.t.c.


The moriscos from Al-Andalus obtain Andalusia and three Andalusians obtain the north of Spain.

They have given for Andalusia XX-XXl century for us to understand the values of the historical Moorish or values of Al-Andalus?

The current values for Andalusia are made with corpses.

Andalusia is a result made by and for the dead.

[Gallop]

The only ones to obtain Andalusia as a result in number 1º are

A modern value that only specific old samples obtain not even the living ones get it in the first place.


Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD -I12644

1. Spanish_Andalucia (9.149)

Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD -I3982

1. Spanish_Andalucia (8.575)

Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - I2644

1. Spanish_Andalucia (9.903)

Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD -I7457

1. Spanish_Andalucia (11.33)

Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD -R111

1. Spanish_Andalucia (10.42)

Early Bronze Age Bulgaria
3100 BC - I2176

1. Spanish_Andalucia (11.65)

Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - R121

1. Spanish_Andalucia (13.17)

Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - MS10614

1. Spanish_Andalucia (16.10)

Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD -I7500

1. Spanish_Andalucia (16.32)

Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC -I8204

1. Spanish_Andalucia (15.87)

Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - MSR003

1. Sardinian (15.36)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (17.50)

Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - R120

1. Spanish_Andalucia (15.27)



Andalusia the result of the dead



https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLNVxM8EIOCU1-iBGo9UZvBMfmKn7NLfUo3p1KD-SDMOA3qRSIPoBG4lVF2ls92sjnn4M&usqp=CAU

[StonyArabia]

If people realized that the majority of the muslims in Al Andalus were Spanish (many of them visigoths) converted to islam for political-economical reasons, people would stop to say nonsenses about moorish Spain. This is how muslims looked like in Al-Andalus:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Moorish_ceiling_at_the_Sala_de_los_Reyes%2C_Alhamb ra.jpg
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/badajoz-spain-dic-th-miniature-depicting-muslim-court-belonged-to-book-cantigas-de-santa-maria-original-ay-el-escorial-libray-140666604.jpg

And this also goes to today´s muslims from northafrica or other places, that they keep believing that "they" ruled most of Spain.... If they knew that the moors that ruled most of Spain were white and basically full Europeans, they would stop about thinking that they were great in Al-Andalus. A minority were in fact north-africans...but pure caucasoid types (since islam started to enslave blacks in the XII-XIII centuries and that is why today´s northafricans are mulattoes, and the ones that entered in Spain remained almost fully caucasoid.


That’s wishful thinking. North Africans are not mulattos, even if they are dark skinned. Most North Africans tend to look “Mideastern”.

The Moors were clearly mixed. They clearly show both Arabian and North African ancestry. A pure European or a converted European would not score significant Bedouin or Saudi admixture like some of the Moorish samples that are present. The reality Iberia was indeed ruled by a Hamitic and Semitic people and yes they were not White but brown.

No pure European would get this type of results

Spanish_Aragon + 36% Bedouin @ 8.34
4 69.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 30.2% Bedouin

1 53.1% French_Basque + 46.9% Bedouin @ 6.57

11 59.2% French_Basque + 40.8% Saudi @ 8.71


This clearly indicates Arabian admixture in some of the Moors. Most likely it would have been higher before the Spanish Inquisition just like North African one.

[Sloots]

So the Moors were mostly indigenous Iberias mixed with Arabs?

[StonyArabia]

So the Moors were mostly indigenous Iberias mixed with Arabs?

Pretty much.

[ChocolateFace]

Wow very interesting!

[ChocolateFace]

These examples just show they were mostly converted Iberians (aka traitors), as is very well known :bored:


But didn't these "traitors" convert back to Christianity and are now your ancestors? If this is true then it means you must of had some Muslim ancestors.

[Gallop]

So the Moors were mostly indigenous Iberias mixed with Arabs?

Moriscos, mozárabes, mudéjares y muladíes

These four names are used to define the Christians or Muslims of the Iberian Peninsula, depending on whether or not they inhabited each other's territories while preserving their religion, from the beginning of the 8th century until the beginning of the 17th century in the case of the Moors. The following is a description of each of them.

Moriscos.

The Moriscos is the name given to the Muslims who remained in Spain after the Christian conquest of all the peninsular territories.

https://iberhistoria.es/entradas/edadmedia/moriscosmozarabesmudejaresmuladies/


I myself have to look it up online every time to find out what each term meant.


8 centuries of wars and the final victory for which the rest of Europe must pay homage to us and pay military honors to any ordinary Spanish citizen.
mainly to all the citizens of southern Spain who had the duty to protect the reconquered territory and at the same time lead a daily life in an extreme situation with the enemy just a few kilometers away.

[Adamm]

That’s wishful thinking. North Africans are not mulattos, even if they are dark skinned. Most North Africans tend to look “Mideastern”.

The Moors were clearly mixed. They clearly show both Arabian and North African ancestry. A pure European or a converted European would not score significant Bedouin or Saudi admixture like some of the Moorish samples that are present. The reality Iberia was indeed ruled by a Hamitic and Semitic people and yes they were not White but brown.

No pure European would get this type of results

Spanish_Aragon + 36% Bedouin @ 8.34
4 69.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 30.2% Bedouin

1 53.1% French_Basque + 46.9% Bedouin @ 6.57

11 59.2% French_Basque + 40.8% Saudi @ 8.71


This clearly indicates Arabian admixture in some of the Moors. Most likely it would have been higher before the Spanish Inquisition just like North African one.

ِActually the Arab admixture is just a minority of the samples (i rechecked them through G25), majority of moorish remains have North African admixture and lack Arab admixture and 2 remains are surely 'Arab' admixtured.

[Leto]

Moroccans still believe the Iberian Peninsula is their native territory which was lost by mistake and should be taken back.

[Roy]

So the Moors were mostly indigenous Iberias mixed with Arabs?

You're proving CV a nervous breakdown.

[Gallop]

Moroccans still believe the Iberian Peninsula is their native territory which was lost by mistake and should be taken back.

However, for Spaniards there is no nexus of union, not a single ember or point with which we could feel any correlation, there is an abyss, an unbridgeable gap, in fact the event in our minds is in a parenthesis, a limbo that we do not even consider our own, except for someone on the left and in a prefabricated way, because sucking it has not been able to suckle it.

[Leto]

However, for Spaniards there is no nexus of union, not a single ember or point with which we could feel any correlation, there is an abyss, an unbridgeable gap, in fact the event in our minds is in a parenthesis, a limbo that we do not even consider our own, except for someone on the left and in a prefabricated way, because sucking it has not been able to suckle it.
Excuse me, do you translate your messages from Spanish into English through Google? I can hardly understand what you mean.

I must admit I hate it when people post on an English-language forum without knowing the language. Most Russians on TA do so (auto-translate from Russian). It really sucks to read such texts.

[Defcon2]

Gallop is a philosopher and it is difficult to understand.

[Gallop]

Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
Moroccans still believe the Iberian Peninsula is their native territory which was lost by mistake and should be taken back.



Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
However, for Spaniards there is no nexus of union, not a single ember or point with which we could feel any correlation, there is an abyss, an unbridgeable gap, in fact the event in our minds is in a parenthesis, a limbo that we do not even consider our own, except for someone on the left and in a prefabricated way, because sucking it has not been able to suckle it.


Leto[/B];7360235]Excuse me, do you translate your messages from Spanish into English through Google? I can hardly understand what you mean.

I must admit I hate it when people post on an English-language forum without knowing the language. Most Russians on TA do so (auto-translate from Russian). It really sucks to read such texts.



You must be the only one because it is a response to your post, if you isolate my response and decontextualize it is logical that you pretend not to understand it, it is perfectly understood. I use American English and I do not use Google Translator.

gixajo said in another thread that I used in Google translator when it is false, you don't have to parrot what you hear out there, sometimes it is done in a dirty way and for some interest.


Greetings and have a nice afternoon

[StonyArabia]

ِActually the Arab admixture is just a minority of the samples (i rechecked them through G25), majority of moorish remains have North African admixture and lack Arab admixture and 2 remains are surely 'Arab' admixtured.

Well the Iberian are trying to whitewash the Moors, which is quite hilarious. However there might have been more Arabian admixed Moors before the Spanish Inquisitions. Moorish Spain was founded by the Ummyads a Qurashi clan. When the Ummyads were deposed by the Abbassids and their Persian supporters, those who survived the onslaught took refuge in Iberia. In fact there is a huge epic called the Falcon of
Quraish, detailing the Ummyad escape and finding the Caliphate there.

Also not alien that many of them would have North African admixture. The samples are clearly not pure European and are indeed mixed with either North African or Arabian. The Moors were not just converted Iberians like some Iberians would like to believe. This also show that North African and Arabians did not change much from their ancestors,as some might believe.

Abid Al-Rahman I
https://youtu.be/Qyq4CXcHINw

is seen as hero in Syria, Arabian peninsula and Western Iraq.

[Cristiano viejo]

Well the Iberian are trying to whitewash the Moors.
The Moors were not just converted Iberians like some Iberians would like to believe.
Current Moors are dark as fuck. Almost as fuck as you greasy Arabs.
Medieval Moors like you or not were Iberians converted to Islam, as history proves... and common sense checking how their descendants look even 400 years later their expulsion
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?88192-Classify-real-Moors

[StonyArabia]

Moroccans still believe the Iberian Peninsula is their native territory which was lost by mistake and should be taken back.

Well the Moors were not only Iberian converts, the samples clearly show intrusion of North African and Arabian admixture. The my were not only Iberian converts. The Moors were an Afro-Asiastic people, composed mostly of Arabian and North African races. They don’t but many Arabs and North Africans do take pride in Moorish Spain and many look at its fall as a lesson, so in order not to repeat itself. Just like other races that entered Europe like the Mongols who are yellow. The Moors were a brown skinned people that entered into Europe nothing more and nothing less.