Guess the percentage of these Brazilians [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 03:48 PM

I have their DNA results, guess their European, Amerindian and SSA. Results are interesting.

1.

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14729278_10210363855998933_8519524560362294385_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQn_CcEm7zyFxv9eIiKtR1UiaKfxhgroeJ4TZhz6kU5 a-cof9b8xYaE1rytfiQgT3nFynxMuYidmP-VzK_AFEfsX&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=7ad5a0270325c8a08c16d17e8b11b95e&oe=5E253768

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14650191_10210363856078935_4740950744831091912_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmj9mrIUfnb3VUC83jOdm3JAYDKclSMKq8q3absGlc l5mktsB-XqWmVe_vafASfESQUqS0-S-0rWA4ID25gnRc_&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=74ba2b40b6d9ef2e9afc7a6168d328ec&oe=5DF8822E

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10685542_10204829831411777_6148546169837605050_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQkIaMgPWZiJXQ1-OPl6CQ34Ow5Ia2jtZP8v-ZkhwRRIBLi_HnZh7FkaaAji7eRDC6Hw59ivdi5X8lUcNgt-5Fko&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=e193bd20c4ea2d4ed444e2d2e8ca8fb8&oe=5DF49A02

2.

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44852254_1454027518062351_483566893228097536_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQnLNvNPmD2hrtoaSUjjmitV90K3ecTb9vgo-qy6jh3zsmTHLeix9T48Yisz1-TQ4qvM-zE2oKaKvoXvzo5nu3I-&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=2b825491658ecabb6982d282749b7bc2&oe=5DEFA4B6

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68986211_1713672072097893_1030891996144730112_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQltaydda0ie8bT00gRVEQQYOdmiJpyDYErHwhQ5_1i Z_eOyiIetsjx4pVuQhZ1is0-YWJ2gqBpNdxyjjZclnMNz&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=8fe4afc8a46cd22587906343ed043101&oe=5E325B03

3.

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/185555_1473494212984_1116751_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQnM8bFanEX2JrzA39g9bZhDHJ4plOOFcs7SdrCogRo RQbeZkEoGyyFa_Ga1XJEv-2Gde4M3WXm0XRkZ2TICyTKm&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=c91034e2199e1b71987568415df5d900&oe=5E3015D3

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/429863_2426528158237_1872589492_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQmfmRe7DniuFbpzCH3FJl8RVRhDzfceeD4SC2jIo6O t-PUsKpuHWLnIMLLMCJvL3BX8tFFkPYMPQLHAPtvIHUCd&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=f124ee76f4889a4d922b8c5b2136a5f6&oe=5DF634B3

4.

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42398879_1974443175934541_8407897905012146176_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQktAZ2ONoMQ4gok9Ru76wvgTNGxszhRkNODxOyV6OD 40NdmtUe_OkaCiCwEHPYxl7RLmUcLLd_R6MrfkxDprV_f&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=4dba774a057f609eaa61655dd8942ba2&oe=5E36332F

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47385925_2067532453292279_1071804686375321600_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQmOJzbbfpSlXgBVISogEMAJNq2OoUSYrJciPwaBXN1 p6TRza32Ilz-Gc_5RCA9toJXBrgGo7GMscGxRH-BoGDU3&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=4080a87f800a068bc80be38e2ae744a3&oe=5DEF80A4

Catarinense1998

10-03-2019, 04:28 PM

1. 90% European + 10% SSA and Indigenous American;
2. 80% European + 18% SSA + 2% Indigenous American;
3. Woman does look clearly mixed, so, I'm guessing 75% European + 15% SSA + 10% Indegenous American for her; The dude does look fully european.
4. He does look strongly portuguese/iberian. Since he is brazilian, I'm assuming that he has some non euro admix though. X > 85% European + 0-15% SSA and Indigenous American. He could end up being 100% European.

Tooting Carmen

10-03-2019, 04:36 PM

(1) 90% Euro, 10% Afro. (2) 85% Euro, 15% Afro. (3) 80% Euro, 20% the other two. (4) Looks exotic Southern European.

Duffmannn

10-03-2019, 04:43 PM

1. Castiza, something like 75-80% euro, and the rest mostly amerindian, minor SSA (5-10%)

2. 80-85% euro, rest amerindian-SSA (doesn´t show SSA traits)

3. Seems full euro, +85% european and near 0% SSA.

4.Seems full euro, +85% european and near 0% SSA.

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 05:11 PM

Good guesses so far. Some of these results are really interesting. Just to point out, none of them is 100% European. But they are all 80%+ apart from one (which is the most surprising).

Catarinense1998

10-03-2019, 05:28 PM

Good guesses so far. Some of these results are really interesting. Just to point out, none of them is 100% European. But they are all 80%+ apart from one (which is the most surprising).

Is one of them an octoroon? I'm not seeing anything too off from what white-brazilians do look in real life. The first woman and the last dude do look iberian/portuguese of sure. If there's some tricky one, so it must be the second dude or the third one.

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 05:56 PM

Is one of them an octoroon? I'm not seeing anything too off from what white-brazilians do look in real life. The first woman and the last dude do look iberian/portuguese of sure. If there's some tricky one, so it must be the second dude or the third one.

Their results:

1. 79% European + North African, 16% SSA, 5% Amerindian. From Northeast Brazil.

2. 75% European, 25% Amerindian. From Southern Brazil.

3. 91,4% European + North African, 6,5% Amerindian, 2,1% SSA. From Northeast Brazil.

4. I don't have his commercial test results, only GEDmatch. He's around 85% Caucasoid, 13% SSA and 2% Amerindian. Some of his SSA certainly came through the Portuguese though, so his ''true'' African ancestry is likely around 8-10% (many Brazilians with Portuguese ancestry have increased SSA on GEDmatch). He's from Southeast Brazil.

The second one doesn't have even a single drop of SSA. He's the most surprising imo.

Tooting Carmen

10-03-2019, 05:57 PM

So much for the myth that SSA almost always shows up strongly in someone's phenotype then.

Tooting Carmen

10-03-2019, 05:58 PM

People should learn once and for all: genotype and phenotype do NOT always correlate, especially in very mixed populations.

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 06:02 PM

People should learn once and for all: genotype and phenotype do NOT always correlate, especially in very mixed populations.

I think anything below 20%, even SSA, isn't going to show strongly. If you're around 80% something the tendency is that you will look mostly like that thing.

But of course there are variations and I've seen Brazilians with even 5% SSA looking non-white. So it depends. I think it's the same with Amerindian, but some people mixed with Amerindian can look fully European even when the admixture is more than 30%. Anyway, recently I posted a Brazilian here with around 40% SSA and he didn't looked very black admixed, more like some Egyptian or South Asian.

Catarinense1998

10-03-2019, 06:08 PM

I think anything below 20%, even SSA, isn't going to show strongly. If you're around 80% something the tendency is that you will look mostly like that thing.

But of course there are variations and I've seen Brazilians with even 5% SSA looking non-white. So it depends. I think it's the same with Amerindian, but some people mixed with Amerindian can look fully European even when the admixture is more than 30%. Anyway, recently I posted a Brazilian here with around 40% SSA and he didn't looked very black admixed, more like some Egyptian or South Asian.

It's too hard to gess 16% SSA for the first woman, because she does lack of obvious SSA traits like huge lips, african influence on her hair, wide nostrils and short nose (the same for the last dude). Only for curiosity, can you rate my english? I did the same ask to you some time ago, but, I do think that I have improved my english.

Joso

10-03-2019, 06:12 PM

None of them look very SSA in my opinion

Joso

10-03-2019, 06:15 PM

Their results:

1. 79% European + North African, 16% SSA, 5% Amerindian. From Northeast Brazil.

2. 75% European, 25% Amerindian. From Southern Brazil.

3. 91,4% European + North African, 6,5% Amerindian, 2,1% SSA. From Northeast Brazil.

4. I don't have his commercial test results, only GEDmatch. He's around 85% Caucasoid, 13% SSA and 2% Amerindian. Some of his SSA certainly came through the Portuguese though, so his ''true'' African ancestry is likely around 8-10% (many Brazilians with Portuguese ancestry have increased SSA on GEDmatch). He's from Southeast Brazil.

The second one doesn't have even a single drop of SSA. He's the most surprising imo.

I think that there is many cases like the second one in the South, i see many people that look just mestizo( with no perceived SSA) on a daily basis.

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 06:17 PM

It's too hard to gess 16% SSA for the first woman, because she does lack of obvious SSA traits like huge lips, african influence on her hair, wide nostrils and short nose (the same for the last dude). Only for curiosity, can you rate my english? I did the same ask to you some time ago, but, I do think that I have improved my english.

You have improved, yeah. I think any admixture up to 20% can show or cannot show depending on the individual. I'm seeing tons of Brazilian results lately and most people score SSA without showing obvious traits. Even the Portuguese and Spanish score some SSA.

The anthrofora myth that SSA is much stronger than Amerindian and will always show seems to be a product of some Hispanic Americans from Mestizo countries to cope with the reality they are less European than Brazilians. So they had to come with this ''but SSA always show more'' bullshit. I can post people with only 10% Amerindian showing strong traits too.

It's basically alleatory.

Catarinense1998

10-03-2019, 06:31 PM

You have improved, yeah. I think any admixture up to 20% can show or cannot show depending on the individual. I'm seeing tons of Brazilian results lately and most people score SSA without showing obvious traits. Even the Portuguese and Spanish score some SSA.

The anthrofora myth that SSA is much stronger than Amerindian and will always show seems to be a product of some Hispanic Americans from Mestizo countries to cope with the reality they are less European than Brazilians. So they had to come with this ''but SSA always show more'' bullshit. I can post people with only 10% Amerindian showing strong traits too.

It's basically alleatory.

I'm not sure about this. We've a thread called "Balanced Mestizos DNA results with pictures". Just check it by yourself, and you will realize a good amount of people that score 55-65% european + 45-55% amerindian, and even so they do look quite european. On the other hand, people with 25%-35% SSA will always show up some african trait.

Joso

10-03-2019, 06:36 PM

I'm not sure about this. We've a thread called "Balanced Mestizos DNA results with pictures". Just check it by yourself, and you will realize a good amount of people that score 55-65% european + 45-55% amerindian, and even so they do look quite european. On the other hand, people with 25%-35% SSA will always show up some african trait.

I think that phenomenon of black blood seeming to be dominant compared to Amerindian blood is because Amerindians have more diverse looks than black admixed latinos and some amerindian phenotypes have many similarities with European phenotypes, while others are more distanced of white look and give even a pseudo-negroid vibe because of wide, flat noses, big lips, etc. Like some tribes of tropical areas.
most black admixture in the Americas is Sudanese and some bantu ( i think). Also, black features are more well known as blacks and black admixed persons can be found everywhere in the world. The same, certainly, cannot be said about mestizos or triracials with high ameríndias and low SSA.

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 06:39 PM

I'm not sure about this. We've a thread called "Balanced Mestizos DNA results with pictures". Just check it by yourself, and you will realize a good amount of people that score 55-65% european + 45-55% amerindian, and even so they do look quite european. On the other hand, people with 25%-35% SSA will always show up some african trait.

I agree that SSA has a tendency to show more, but anyway most Brazilians aren't balanced Euro - SSA mixes, like Mexicans or Chileans are with Amerindians. So a thread like that with Brazilians is useless.

I can make threads with people scoring up to 30% SSA without showing obvious traits. The thing is that this forum lacked Brazilians with substantial knowledge of Brazilian genetics for a long time, that's why they were always able to come with this bullshit of even 5% SSA making someone to look black lol.

I have more than 200 Brazilian GEDmatch kits with pics and most do not show obvious admixture at all. Only around 40 of them (in 200) are 100% European.

Catarinense1998

10-03-2019, 07:01 PM

I agree that SSA has a tendency to show more, but anyway most Brazilians aren't balanced Euro - SSA mixes, like Mexicans or Chileans are with Amerindians. So a thread like that with Brazilians is useless.

I can make threads with people scoring up to 30% SSA without showing obvious traits. The thing is that this forum lacked Brazilians with substantial knowledge of Brazilian genetics for a long time, that's why they were always able to come with this bullshit of even 5% SSA making someone to look black lol.

I have more than 200 Brazilian GEDmatch kits with pics and most do not show obvious admixture at all. Only around 40 of them (in 200) are 100% European.

Some people have already posted average faces for each south-american country. If I'm not mistaken, the average brazilian does score 63% european - the same amount of european heritage for the paraguayan average, taking into acount Argentano's threads. The paraguayan average mestizo does look more european than the brazilian one (the brazilian one doesn't score much amerindian). The SSA imput has not a simple tendency to show more, but a big one. It is only my opinion though.

Tenma de Pegasus

10-03-2019, 07:05 PM

Some people have already posted average faces for each south-american country. If I'm not mistaken, the average brazilian does score 63% european - the same amount of european heritage for the paraguayan average, taking into acount Argentano's threads. The paraguayan average mestizo does look more european than the brazilian one (the brazilian one doesn't score much amerindian). The SSA imput has not a simple tendency to show more, but a big one. It is only my opinion though.

63% are the lowest estimative studies. The average is 67.5% to 69.5% european.

Cumansky

10-03-2019, 07:09 PM

Brazilian

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 36.11
2 North_Atlantic 17.64
3 West_Med 15.46
4 Baltic 9.36
5 East_Med 7.88
6 Northeast_African 5.81
7 Red_Sea 3.84
8 West_Asian 2.75
9 South_Asian 1.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite_Berber 36.48
2 Algerian 38.16
3 Tunisian 38.49
4 Moroccan 40.24
5 Spanish_Galicia 45.51
6 West_Sicilian 45.51
7 Portuguese 45.55
8 Spanish_Extremadura 45.56
9 Romanian 45.77
10 Greek_Thessaly 45.78
11 Bulgarian 45.82
12 Tuscan 45.82
13 North_Italian 45.86
14 Serbian 46.32
15 East_Sicilian 46.51
16 Spanish_Murcia 46.61
17 Italian_Abruzzo 46.62
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 46.63
19 Spanish_Andalucia 47.06
20 Spanish_Cataluna 47.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57% North_Italian + 43% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.48
2 57.6% North_Italian + 42.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.49
3 57.8% Spanish_Galicia + 42.2% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.02
4 57.2% Spanish_Galicia + 42.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.03
5 57.7% Portuguese + 42.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.35
6 57.1% Portuguese + 42.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.41
7 58.7% North_Italian + 41.3% Mandenka @ 5.43
8 57.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 42.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.47
9 57.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 42.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 5.48
10 58.9% Spanish_Galicia + 41.1% Mandenka @ 5.72
11 58.8% Portuguese + 41.2% Mandenka @ 5.84
12 55.3% North_Italian + 44.7% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6
13 58.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 41.1% Mandenka @ 6.15
14 57.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 42.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.33
15 56.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 43.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.37
16 56.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 43.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.44
17 55.5% Spanish_Galicia + 44.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.51
18 56.2% Spanish_Valencia + 43.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.51
19 57% Spanish_Cataluna + 43% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.54
20 56.6% Spanish_Murcia + 43.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.58

Tenma de Pegasus

10-03-2019, 07:12 PM

I think anything below 20%, even SSA, isn't going to show strongly. If you're around 80% something the tendency is that you will look mostly like that thing.

But of course there are variations and I've seen Brazilians with even 5% SSA looking non-white. So it depends. I think it's the same with Amerindian, but some people mixed with Amerindian can look fully European even when the admixture is more than 30%. Anyway, recently I posted a Brazilian here with around 40% SSA and he didn't looked very black admixed, more like some Egyptian or South Asian.

There is even european born people with no SSA that dont look white or at least typical white. There is always a minority of borderline exotic europeans. See Tite for example.

Here in apricity people like to exagerate the forcer of SSA genes, SSA start to be strong more around 35-40% and over. Lower than 20-15% its not clear, maybe only one trait SSA trait can appear, the others traits are european like hair, skin color, hair color, lips or nose.

Tenma de Pegasus

10-03-2019, 07:14 PM

The 91.6% euro third guy looks very typycal white cearense. He looks what we call "papudinho" that is a person that we always find drinking on bars between 5 pm and midnight.

Lousianaboy

10-03-2019, 07:17 PM

They look like typycal south brazilians of middle class

Duffmannn

10-03-2019, 07:26 PM

Tenma de Pegasus

10-03-2019, 07:26 PM

They look like typycal south brazilians of middle class

They look just brazilians like from every region. People like that can be found from North to South.

Those are specific south brazilian crowds:

https://youtu.be/dGRAqAdhb7w

https://youtu.be/LmDRxTD1_0c

https://youtu.be/CwC5BFX7rqQ

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 07:29 PM

Some people have already posted average faces for each south-american country. If I'm not mistaken, the average brazilian does score 63% european - the same amount of european heritage for the paraguayan average, taking into acount Argentano's threads. The paraguayan average mestizo does look more european than the brazilian one (the brazilian one doesn't score much amerindian). The SSA imput has not a simple tendency to show more, but a big one. It is only my opinion though.

Average Brazilian is more in between 68-74% European, Brazil is more European than Paraguay (Paraguay is around 60%). In Latin America only Uruguay, Cuba and Argentina are comparable to Brazil in European admixture.

Brazil is more European than common-sense people think in Brazil and abroad.

Tooting Carmen

10-03-2019, 07:31 PM

Average Brazilian is more in between 68-74% European, Brazil is more European than Paraguay (Paraguay is around 60%). In Latin America only Uruguay, Cuba and Argentina are comparable to Brazil in European admixture.

Brazil is more European than common-sense people think in Brazil and abroad.

I'd still say only 40% (at most) of Brazilians look White/quasi White though. By contrast, an outright majority of Argentines and Uruguayans do.

Tenma de Pegasus

10-03-2019, 07:32 PM

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 07:33 PM

The first woman has a clear SSA imput.

The SSA imput is visible ALWAYS.

The last dude is just reaching the limit when the SSA can be hided and doesn´t appear, the 8-10%, that´s (plus 5-6 amerindian) what I considear the limit to be white, I have been saying that for years.

So how much African Spaniards and Portuguese look? Because many Iberians score some degree of SSA. Some even up to 5-6%. One can argue this SSA isn't true SSA, but IberoMaurusian, but the outdated GEDmatch calculators read it as SSA.

That's why many Brazilians have their SSA percentages almost doubled when they upload results to GEDmatch (like the last guy, he scored 8.8% African on 23andme but around 13% on GEDmatch).

Lousianaboy

10-03-2019, 07:35 PM

Cuba have more europan blood and is more visible, because there is no amerindian element in cuba

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 07:37 PM

I'd still say only 40% (at most) of Brazilians look White/quasi White though. By contrast, an outright majority of Argentines and Uruguayans do.

I agree overall. But phenotype is an extremely subjective stuff, in the end it does not say anything about someone's ancestry. That's why I stick to discuss genetics now, discussing classifications without genetics is useless.

Tooting Carmen

10-03-2019, 07:39 PM

I agree overall. But phenotype is an extremely subjective stuff, in the end it does not say anything about someone's ancestry. That's why I stick to discuss genetics now, discussing classifications without genetics is useless.

But genetics isn't entirely sacrosanct either and can be subject to manipulation. Hence why a certain former user used to claim that Greeks were much more European than South Italians, for example.

Catarinense1998

10-03-2019, 07:39 PM

Duffmannn

10-03-2019, 07:45 PM

After the revelation you can see everything.

I have pointed it at the beginning.

Duffmannn

10-03-2019, 07:47 PM

Cuba have more europan blood and is more visible, because there is no amerindian element in cuba

Many white cubans are in fact castizos, the amerindian imput is concentrated in the most european subjects, while blackest ones lack amerindian.

Same happens in Dominican Republic.

In Puerto Rico the amerindian is more disgrageted.

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 07:58 PM

But genetics isn't entirely sacrosanct either and can be subject to manipulation. Hence why a certain former user used to claim that Greeks were much more European than South Italians, for example.

But it's true, mainland Greeks indeed have more North-European admixture than South Italians. The Slavic input is real. What was irritating in that member was his incessant trolling trying to ''levantinize'' South Italians based on some cherrypicked GEDmatch kits.

Tooting Carmen

10-03-2019, 08:08 PM

But it's true, mainland Greeks indeed have more North-European admixture than South Italians. The Slavic input is real.

But in phenotype isn't really visible most of the time.

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 08:12 PM

But in phenotype isn't really visible most of the time.

Yeah, that's why I said phenotype isn't the best way to know someone's ancestry.

Samnium

10-03-2019, 08:18 PM

I would have guessed the woman (on the first picture), there isn't blatant SSA influence BUT she has clearly a vibe that is not amerindian, african.

Samnium

10-03-2019, 08:22 PM

Yeah, that's why I said phenotype isn't the best way to know someone's ancestry.

Phenotype can be useful when used on a "large" group of people, this can equalize the extremes and you can "average" the physical traits. For example if you have one people that look exotic, it can be only the chance. However I you find that a whole family look exotic (not exactly the same but with exotic features than are present and that are "replicated" on many members) I think you can ask yourself some questions about the origins and therefore genetics.

Adamastor

10-03-2019, 09:26 PM

No, she doesn't have obvious SSA traits. Just look at her face. She is an exception though.

The least European-looking of them is the Castizo guy from Southern Brazil. He is the one showing more exotic features actually (despite being light-skinned). The others can pass in Southern Europe.

Leto

10-05-2019, 04:32 PM

I think anything below 20%, even SSA, isn't going to show strongly. If you're around 80% something the tendency is that you will look mostly like that thing.

But of course there are variations and I've seen Brazilians with even 5% SSA looking non-white. So it depends. I think it's the same with Amerindian, but some people mixed with Amerindian can look fully European even when the admixture is more than 30%. Anyway, recently I posted a Brazilian here with around 40% SSA and he didn't looked very black admixed, more like some Egyptian or South Asian.
Some believe even a drop of Negroid is automatically going to make one look mulatto. That's not true. Take a look at this girl in the middle
https://i.ibb.co/QmKMpTm/67919661-2670702399627386-6180048467761509793-n.jpg
She is 1/4 Congolese, 1/4 Greek Cypriot, 1/2 white British. The other two are full Congolese. Now consider the difference - she can't pass as black by any means.

Black Panther

10-05-2019, 04:45 PM

Some believe even a drop of Negroid is automatically going to make one look mulatto. That's not true. Take a look at this girl in the middle
https://i.ibb.co/QmKMpTm/67919661-2670702399627386-6180048467761509793-n.jpg
She is 1/4 Congolese, 1/4 Greek Cypriot, 1/2 white British. The other two are full Congolese. Now consider the difference - she can't pass as black by any means.

When she grows up, she will probably show more African features. It's harder to differentiate racial features of people who are too young or too old.

Leto

10-05-2019, 04:54 PM

When she grows up, she will probably show more African features. It's harder to differentiate racial features of people who are too young or too old.
Hey, are those your actual DNA results in the profile?

Black Panther

10-05-2019, 05:13 PM

Hey, are those your actual DNA results in the profile?

Yep. According to MyHeritage DNA.

Leto

10-05-2019, 05:17 PM

Yep. According to MyHeritage DNA.
The NA percentage is questionable. Can you show me your Dodecad World9 components? That calculator is quite basic but can distinguish between the major racial components.

Adamastor

10-05-2019, 09:04 PM

The NA percentage is questionable. Can you show me your Dodecad World9 components? That calculator is quite basic but can distinguish between the major racial components.

His North African is certainly from the Portuguese (and he scores a lot for someone who's supposed to be half-Swedish...), he separate it from the European to not reach 70% Euro.

I've seen such high amount only in full Iberians and Latin Americans who are 80%+ Iberian.

Tooting Carmen

10-05-2019, 09:07 PM

Today I met a half-Afro Brazilian, half-Polish Brazilian from Parana who, although quite dark-skinned, had totally Caucasoid traits and were I not to know better I'd have guessed him as Levantine.

Leto

10-05-2019, 09:34 PM

His North African is certainly from the Portuguese (and he scores a lot for someone who's supposed to be half-Swedish...), he separate it from the European to not reach 70% Euro.

I've seen such high amount only in full Iberians and Latin Americans who are 80%+ Iberian.
It is probably like 75-80% West Eurasian and 20-25% SSA. I'm just guessing. Calculators like Dodecad World9 would clear it up.

Adamastor

10-05-2019, 09:39 PM

It is probably like 75-80% West Eurasian and 20-25% SSA. I'm just guessing. Calculators like Dodecad World9 would clear it up.

Well, it doesn't matter in the long run. What really matters is that he acquired North African admixture through the Portuguese and not through African slave ancestry. I think the North African component in the commercial tests is mostly West Eurasian.

I'm still skeptic that this African admixture in Iberians is really ''true'' SSA. I've seen some kits of Asturians, Galicians and Cantabrians scoring 4% SSA + Northeast African, it cannot be real African, doesn't make sense. Andalusians on the other hand score none or negligible amounts.

Leto

10-05-2019, 09:42 PM

Adamastor

10-06-2019, 01:43 AM

MyHeritage has the following African categories:

Central Africa
Central African

East Africa
Ethiopian Jewish
Kenyan
Maasai
Somali

North Africa
North African
Sephardic Jewish - North African

West Africa
Nigerian
Sierra Leonean
West African

58.9% of the self-reported Portuguese customers have at least some North African but only 21.4% of Spanish customers do.

And I can assure you most of these Spaniards are from Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria or Extremadura. But in reality (i.e. academic studies) all Iberians apart from Basques have some North African. Also, some of this North African can be hidden in the Iberian component. Many people don't score North African in Iberia because in some people the test insert their NA in the Iberian category.

Latinus

10-06-2019, 11:00 PM

And I can assure you most of these Spaniards are from Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria or Extremadura. But in reality (i.e. academic studies) all Iberians apart from Basques have some North African. Also, some of this North African can be hidden in the Iberian component. Many people don't score North African in Iberia because in some people the test insert their NA in the Iberian category.

Why in some test they separate the NA from Iberia and in others they hide the former in the latter?

Adamastor

10-06-2019, 11:16 PM

Why in some test they separate the NA from Iberia and in others they hide the former in the latter?

No idea, but GEDmatch usually show NA in all of them. I'm around 20% Portuguese and I score North African in some calculators, in some even SSA Northeast African (usually around 1%, it could be noise but since almost all Portuguese score it I likely got it from them). A full Portuguese/Galician/Asturian/Extremaduran certainly would score much more. For comparison, fully North Italians usually score 0% North African and never SSA (some score it in noise levels - 0,5 - 1%). 23andme gave me 0% North African/Middle Eastern or Sub-Saharan African.

I have a cousin that is roughly 85-90% Portuguese/North Italian, 8% SSA and 2% Amerindian. He scored 0% North African on MyHeritage. But in GEDmatch he scores much more and his SSA percentage also increases by 2-4%.

Maybe GEDmatch is innacurate, but academic studies also give this admixture to all Iberians apart from Basques.

Leto

10-06-2019, 11:25 PM

No idea, but GEDmatch usually show NA in all of them. I'm around 20% Portuguese and I score North African in some calculators, in some even SSA Northeast African (usually around 1%, it could be noise but since almost all Portuguese score it I likely got it from them). A full Portuguese/Galician/Asturian/Extremaduran certainly would score much more. For comparison, fully North Italians usually score 0% North African and never SSA (some score it in noise levels - 0,5 - 1%). 23andme gave me 0% North African/Middle Eastern or Sub-Saharan African.
You've never shared your results. Why? Are you fully European?

Adamastor

10-06-2019, 11:38 PM

You've never shared your results. Why? Are you fully European?

Well, I never saw the reason, I don't have any doubts about them, I would open if I was in doubt about something. But I can open a thread with my GEDmatch results if you want.

I'm 65-70% Venetian/Friulian/Tyrolean, 20% Portuguese and 10% South Italian.

Leto

10-06-2019, 11:47 PM

Well, I never saw the reason, I don't have any doubts about them, I would open if I was in doubt about something. But I can open a thread with my GEDmatch results if you want.

I'm 65-70% Venetian/Friulian/Tyrolean, 20% Portuguese and 10% South Italian.
I'm not particularly eager to see your results but you can send them to me privately, I won't repost them anywhere if you tell me not to do.

Black Panther

10-07-2019, 12:20 AM

The NA percentage is questionable. Can you show me your Dodecad World9 components? That calculator is quite basic but can distinguish between the major racial components.

This is what I got from the Dodecad World9 results (sorry for seeing your reply so late):

https://i.imgur.com/0bGzAVw.png

Adamastor

10-07-2019, 12:25 AM

This is what I got from the Dodecad World9 results (sorry for seeing your reply so late):

https://i.imgur.com/0bGzAVw.png

You're 70% White, 27% Black, 2-3% Amerindian. Part of your Black and Amerindian ancestries could have come through Europeans since Portuguese score some SSA and Swedes can score Amerindian.

You're reasonably around 73%-74% European. You don't look black and is not even close of being black genetically lol.

Leto

10-07-2019, 12:27 AM

This is what I got from the Dodecad World9 results (sorry for seeing your reply so late):

https://i.imgur.com/0bGzAVw.png
Thanks. You seem to be around 2/3 Caucasoid. I agree that the African is more visible in you than your results would suggest. But you're less 30% overall. Is your African and Amerindian from Eurogenes K13/15 similar?

Black Panther

10-07-2019, 12:42 AM

You're 70% White, 27% Black, 2-3% Amerindian. Part of your Black and Amerindian ancestries could have come through Europeans since Portuguese score some SSA and Swedes can score Amerindian.

You're reasonably around 73%-74% European. You don't look black and is not even close of being black genetically lol.

I was left a bit confused by my results. I thought it was strange I scored 8% North African but basically 0% Portuguese. Sounded unrealistic for someone with Brazilian ancestry. It's been more clarified now. As for my Blackness, I don't deny I don't look pred. Black, but I definitely look mixed. In my book that is enough to be Black (I respect the reservations some Africans may have with it though).