Original Balkaner Black Cheddar Man I2a2

[Cumansky]

"I2a2 is found in most of Europe and seems to have had a continent-wide distribution before the arrival of Neolithic farmers. Several Mesolithic I2a2 samples have been identified to date, mostly by Mathieson et al. (2017). This includes individuals from southern Germany (M223 from c. 7200 BCE), the Iron Gates between Serbia and Romania (Z161 from c. 6200 BCE), Latvia (CTS10057 from c. 5500 BCE) and southeast Ukraine (L699 from c. 5400 BCE and L701 from c. 5200 BCE)."

Cheddar Man: 91705

[Moje ime]

Classification - CM

[ixulescu]

"I2a2 is found in most of Europe and seems to have had a continent-wide distribution before the arrival of Neolithic farmers. Several Mesolithic I2a2 samples have been identified to date, mostly by Mathieson et al. (2017). This includes individuals from southern Germany (M223 from c. 7200 BCE), the Iron Gates between Serbia and Romania (Z161 from c. 6200 BCE), Latvia (CTS10057 from c. 5500 BCE) and southeast Ukraine (L699 from c. 5400 BCE and L701 from c. 5200 BCE)."


So the I haplo was all brown originally?

I remember that the brown skin of the Cheddar Man was not established with certainty.

[Cumansky]

So the I haplo was all brown originally?

I remember that the brown skin of the Cheddar Man was not established with certainty.

Anglo supremacist propaganda

Fossils from Greece and Bulgaria confirm "Savannah Like" climate there in the past

[Cumansky]

Classification - CM

Correct

[ixulescu]

Anglo supremacist propaganda

Fossils from Greece and Bulgaria confirm "Savannah Like" climate there in the past

during what period?

[Kamal900]

Cheddar man was never black. Even the people who did his reconstruction admitted that they had no idea how dark his skin was. His skin coloration was either similar to a middle eastern one(dark-brownish complexion) or a Southern European skin tone(olive complexion). He was racially Caucasoid, not Negroid or Black. He was racially Cro-Magnon or CM.

[Cumansky]

during what period?

https://m.news24.com/Green/News/looking-for-mans-origins-in-a-bulgarian-savannah-20170616

[Cumansky]

Cheddar man was never black. Even the people who did his reconstruction admitted that they had no idea how dark his skin was. His skin coloration was either similar to a middle eastern one(dark-brownish complexion) or a Southern European skin tone(olive complexion). He was racially Caucasoid, not Negroid or Black. He was racially Cro-Magnon or CM.

He is Cro Magnon like us

[Kamal900]

He is Cro Magnon like us

Well, they were the progenitors for all Caucasoid peoples today in Europe, Middle East, Central and South Asia.

[Cumansky]

Well, they were the progenitors for all Caucasoid peoples today in Europe, Middle East, Central and South Asia.

"Seven million years ago the sunflower and maize fields in parts of southern Bulgaria were like an African savannah, roamed by gazelles and giraffes.

And perhaps also, amazingly, by the oldest known human ancestor - which most scientists have hitherto believed came from Africa."

[ixulescu]

https://m.news24.com/Green/News/looking-for-mans-origins-in-a-bulgarian-savannah-20170616

Man, that was 7 million years ago. That was long before humans.

Here we're talking mostly about what happened since Neolithic (since the end of the last ice age, 12000 years ago).

I doubt Bulgaria ever had a savannah climate in the past 12000 years.

[Kamal900]

"Seven million years ago the sunflower and maize fields in parts of southern Bulgaria were like an African savannah, roamed by gazelles and giraffes.

And perhaps also, amazingly, by the oldest known human ancestor - which most scientists have hitherto believed came from Africa."

But that was LOOOONG before modern humans(homo sapien sapiens) came into existence more than 200,000 years ago.

[Cumansky]

Man, that was 7 million years ago. That was long before humans.

Here we're talking mostly about what happened since Neolithic (since the end of the last ice age, 12000 years ago).

I doubt Bulgaria ever had a savannah climate in the past 12000 years.

Humans was always there, you got brainwashed by "Out of Africa" Balkan is the cradle of civilization where all tribes expanded in directions

[Cumansky]

But that was LOOOONG before modern humans(homo sapien sapiens) came into existence more than 200,000 years ago.

You don't know any of that, that is what you read in a textbook and you believe right away

[Cumansky]

Cheddar Man= Bosnian Pyramids

[Snkves]

Cheddar man was never black. Even the people who did his reconstruction admitted that they had no idea how dark his skin was. His skin coloration was either similar to a middle eastern one(dark-brownish complexion) or a Southern European skin tone(olive complexion). He was racially Caucasoid, not Negroid or Black. He was racially Cro-Magnon or CM.

https://i.imgur.com/8qwP5Bl.png

[ixulescu]

Humans was always there, you got brainwashed by "Out of Africa" Balkan is the cradle of civilization where all tribes expanded in directions

What do you mean by "always" - put a time frame on that.

"Out of Africa" hypothesis might have lost some steam lately, but it provides a more likely explanation of why we have so many species of hominids but only one species of human.

The Balkans certainly had very old Neolithic civilizations, but I wouldn't claim this region was the cradle of civilization.

[Xz2k9]

There are some Albanians and Greeks that tested for I2a2 but not sure what clade.

There was also I2a2 found in Bronze Age Bulgaria.

[Xz2k9]

https://i.imgur.com/8qwP5Bl.png

Dark skin =/ Sub-Saharan

[Cumansky]

What do you mean by "always" - put a time frame on that.

"Out of Africa" hypothesis might have lost some steam lately, but it provides a more likely explanation of why we have so many species of hominids but only one species of human.

The Balkans certainly had very old Neolithic civilizations, but I wouldn't claim this region was the cradle of civilization.

A time frame "Millions Years" read article or I am wasting my time

[ixulescu]

A time frame "Millions Years" read article or I am wasting my time

dude we have no proof humans have existed for millions of years - that's speculation based on nothing.

[Cumansky]

dude we have no proof humans have existed for millions of years - that's speculation based on nothing.

We have proof read the article, when this info is discovered you have to reconsider every knowledge that was passed until now

[Cumansky]

Anyone with closer proxy to Cheddar Man let me know: 91706

[ixulescu]

We have proof read the article, when this info is discovered you have to reconsider every knowledge that was passed until now

no we don't. we've just got confirmation for a new old hominid.

but it doesn't tell us anything about the oldest humans.

[Xz2k9]

Some Albanians that tested for I2a2.... though doesn't say if those ancient samples were I2a2a or I2a2b ?

Interesting to read here too https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml

I2a-M223>Paspecifikuar
Shehu Tepelene, Shqiperi I2a-M223>Paspecifikuar
Pergjoka Lac, Kurbin, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Malci Lac, Kurbin, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Uku Baldushk, Tirane, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Negri Shkoder, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Shabani Tirane, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Cifliku Korce, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Xhafaj Greshice, Mallakaster, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Sinjari Sinje, Berat, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Barci Sanjollas, Kolonje, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Rama Krahes, Tepelene, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S25733>A427
Tase Permet, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L701>S12195
Gjona Prenisht, Pogradec, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L801>Y5282>Y84255
Cani Diber e Madhe, Maqedoni I2a-M223>L801>Y5282>Y11774
Skrame Vlore, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L1229>Z2068
Sulejmani Mitrovice, Kosove I2a-M223>L1229>Z2068
Fratari Fratar, Mallakaster, Shqiperi I2a-M223>L1229>Z2068>Y9443





The rest tested are CTS102208 which is Slavic and some other clade

[Dick]

Cheddar Man: 91705

Grandpa

[PaleoEuropean]

Grandpa
PaleoPimp'N

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