Are modern Levantines Arabicised Canaanites?

[21993]

I mean, are they genetically Canaanites whose culture and linguistics have been Arabicised without any significant admixture from peninsular Arabs?

[Kamal900]

Christians, Druze and even some Muslim groups like the Alawaites barely have any foregin admixture outside the Levant from recent memory in contrast to Levantine Muslims like Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians do have significant amount of Arabian, Berber, SSA and even European admixtures which makes them around more than 60% of the DNA is local Levantine while the rest is from other regions of the world. Shi3a Lebanese though have the highest amount of north-west asian admixture like Iranian and Anatolian/Caucasian while the rest are mostly from SSA and other MENA regions like Arabia and North Africa.

[Mingle]

Levantine Muslims like Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians do have significant amount of Arabian, Berber, SSA and even European admixtures

They don't have Amazigh (Berber) DNA. They only get modeled as part Mozabite or whatever cause of overfitting with other modern groups. Asian Arabs (Levantines, etc.) don't score any Iberomaurasian. They would score that component if they had Amazigh admixture.

[Kamal900]

They don't have Amazigh (Berber) DNA. They only get modeled as part Mozabite or whatever cause of overfitting with other modern groups. Asian Arabs (Levantines, etc.) don't score any Iberomaurasian. They would score that component if they had Amazigh admixture.

Hmm, I see.

[Kamal900]

They don't have Amazigh (Berber) DNA. They only get modeled as part Mozabite or whatever cause of overfitting with other modern groups. Asian Arabs (Levantines, etc.) don't score any Iberomaurasian. They would score that component if they had Amazigh admixture.

I've heard that the Mozabites have the highest Maghrebi genetic component in the world. Anyway, what is your interpretation of this genetic G25 results of Palestinian and Egyptian Muslims by Aren:

Egyptians are quite close to Levantines. Using Berbers, the Canaanite samples, Armenia_EBA, Arabs, Steppe and extra African I get:

"distance%=1.1742"

Egyptian

Levant_BA_North,55.4
Mozabite,20
BedouinB,15.8
Dinka,8.8

Palestinians score small, but significant amount of Steppe + more Canaanite and Armenian. Also some Berber probably due to this sample having several Egpytian mixed Palestinians.

"distance%=0.8776"

Palestinian

Levant_BA_North,61.8
BedouinB,13
Armenia_EBA,8
Sintashta_MLBA,7.8
Mozabite,5.2
Dinka,4.2

[21993]

Christians, Druze and even some Muslim groups like the Alawaites barely have any foregin admixture outside the Levant from recent memory in contrast to Levantine Muslims like Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians do have significant amount of Arabian, Berber, SSA and even European admixtures which makes them around more than 60% of the DNA is local Levantine while the rest is from other regions of the world. Shi3a Lebanese though have the highest amount of north-west asian admixture like Iranian and Anatolian/Caucasian while the rest are mostly from SSA and other MENA regions like Arabia and North Africa.

I heard that Muslim Levatines have more Yamnaya admixture than the Christian ones. Might it be from Ottoman invasion?

[Kamal900]

I heard that Muslim Levatines have more Yamnaya admixture than the Christian ones. Might it be from Ottoman invasion?

Yes. In Palestinian Muslims, our steppe ancestry is 7.8% on average while Egyptians don't which I think it's from the early Canaanite ancestry from the 19th century BCE were found to have steppe ancestry as well.

[21993]

Christians, Druze and even some Muslim groups like the Alawaites barely have any foregin admixture outside the Levant from recent memory in contrast to Levantine Muslims like Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians do have significant amount of Arabian, Berber, SSA and even European admixtures which makes them around more than 60% of the DNA is local Levantine while the rest is from other regions of the world. Shi3a Lebanese though have the highest amount of north-west asian admixture like Iranian and Anatolian/Caucasian while the rest are mostly from SSA and other MENA regions like Arabia and North Africa.

Another question, do their SSA and North Africa admixtures come indirectly from peninsular Arabs or elsewhere?

[Kamal900]

Another question, do their SSA and North Africa admixtures come indirectly from peninsular Arabs or elsewhere?

Our SSA admixture comes directly from east-Africa while our NA admixture comes indirectly from the Egyptians where we Palestinians heavily mixed with.

[Mingle]

I've heard that the Mozabites have the highest Maghrebi genetic component in the world. Anyway, what is your interpretation of this genetic G25 results of Palestinian and Egyptian Muslims by Aren:

I probably wouldn't use Mozabites for the Palestinian model. I would use Egyptians instead. It looks okay though. The amount of Mozabite he picks up is fairly small anyways.

The Egyptian shouldn't be getting that much Mozabite. It gets much more Mozabite than the Palestinian since its genetically closer and an overfit occurs (keep in mind Mozabites have partial Arabian ancestry they share with Egyptians in addition to other ancestries). It'd be better to use Iberomaurasian instead.

If Egyptians and Levantine had genuine Amazigh ancestry, then they would get Iberomaurasian as I stated as this is a component that all Amazigh people have in significant quantities. But they don't even get minor Iberomaurasian.

These are the results they get on my Neolithic Age calculator:


Target: Palestinian
Distance: 2.6569% / 0.02656891
Aggregated
34.2 Levant_NF
30.6 Anatolia_NF
20.4 Iran_NF
10.0 Caucasus_HG
3.0 SSA
1.6 West_Siberia_HG
0.2 Eastern_HG


Target: Egyptian
Distance: 2.3868% / 0.02386847
Aggregated
39.8 Levant_NF
27.0 Anatolia_NF
14.2 Iran_NF
11.4 SSA
7.0 Caucasus_HG
0.4 South_Eurasian
0.2 Iberomaurasian

The Palestinians get 0 Iberomaurasian whereas the Egyptians gets noise levels of Iberomaurasian (0.2%).

Compare this to Iberians who are often said to have minor Maghrebi ancestry:


Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 4.5997% / 0.04599723
Aggregated
58.6 Anatolia_NF
20.0 Eastern_HG
9.8 Western_HG
6.4 Caucasus_HG
4.2 Iberomaurasian
1.0 South_Eurasian


Target: Portuguese
Distance: 4.1500% / 0.04150026
Aggregated
58.6 Anatolia_NF
19.4 Eastern_HG
9.2 Western_HG
7.8 Caucasus_HG
4.6 Iberomaurasian
0.4 South_Eurasian

I don't know why they get South Eurasian, maybe the sample isn't very good and contains minor Caucasoid that gets picked up. But anyways, you can see the difference here in the Iberomaurasian between the Iberians and Egyptians/Palestinians.

For reference, here is a Mozabite:


Target: Mozabite
Distance: 2.3995% / 0.02399484
Aggregated
41.2 Anatolia_NF
31.8 Iberomaurasian
10.2 SSA
7.4 Levant_NF
4.8 Caucasus_HG
2.8 Eastern_HG
1.0 Western_HG
0.8 Iran_NF

[FinalFlash]

I probably wouldn't use Mozabites for the Palestinian model. I would use Egyptians instead. It looks okay though. The amount of Mozabite he picks up is fairly small anyways.

The Egyptian shouldn't be getting that much Mozabite. It gets much more Mozabite than the Palestinian since its genetically closer and an overfit occurs (keep in mind Mozabites have partial Arabian ancestry they share with Egyptians in addition to other ancestries). It'd be better to use Iberomaurasian combined with an Ancient Egyptian sample.

If Egyptians and Levantine had genuine Amazigh ancestry, then they would get Iberomaurasian as I stated as this is a component that all Amazigh people have in significant quantities. But they don't even get minor Iberomaurasian.

These are the results they get on my Neolithic Age calculator:


Target: Palestinian
Distance: 2.6569% / 0.02656891
Aggregated
34.2 Levant_NF
30.6 Anatolia_NF
20.4 Iran_NF
10.0 Caucasus_HG
3.0 SSA
1.6 West_Siberia_HG
0.2 Eastern_HG


Target: Egyptian
Distance: 2.3868% / 0.02386847
Aggregated
39.8 Levant_NF
27.0 Anatolia_NF
14.2 Iran_NF
11.4 SSA
7.0 Caucasus_HG
0.4 South_Eurasian
0.2 Iberomaurasian

The Palestinians get 0 Iberomaurasian whereas the Egyptians gets noise levels of Iberomaurasian (0.2%).

Compare this to Iberians who are often said to have minor Maghrebi ancestry:


Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 4.5997% / 0.04599723
Aggregated
58.6 Anatolia_NF
20.0 Eastern_HG
9.8 Western_HG
6.4 Caucasus_HG
4.2 Iberomaurasian
1.0 South_Eurasian


Target: Portuguese
Distance: 4.1500% / 0.04150026
Aggregated
58.6 Anatolia_NF
19.4 Eastern_HG
9.2 Western_HG
7.8 Caucasus_HG
4.6 Iberomaurasian
0.4 South_Eurasian

I don't know why they get South Eurasian, maybe the sample isn't very good and contains minor Caucasoid that gets picked up. But anyways, you can see the difference here in the Iberomaurasian between the Iberians and Egyptians/Palestinians.

For reference, here is a Mozabite:


Target: Mozabite
Distance: 2.3995% / 0.02399484
Aggregated
41.2 Anatolia_NF
31.8 Iberomaurasian
10.2 SSA
7.4 Levant_NF
4.8 Caucasus_HG
2.8 Eastern_HG
1.0 Western_HG
0.8 Iran_NF

Where can I access this calc?

[Mingle]

Where can I access this calc?

Its a custom calc. I don't usually post my calcs cause I edit them sometimes. But if you want to use it, here it is anyways:


Anatolia_NF:Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0 .0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Caucasus_HG:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Levant_NF:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Eastern_HG:EHG,0.120368,0.038082,0.12775,0.202603,-0.010002,0.057591,-0.019858,-0.025384,-0.007976,-0.082553,0.016726,-0.014537,0.028171,-0.045484,0.023887,0.02085,-0.008051,0.000633,-0.006348,0.016414,-0.005771,0.019568,0.008165,-0.020093,-0.007335
Iran_NF:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0455292,0.0660095,-0.1518855,0.0026648,-0.1250232,0.0204982,0.0170972,-0.0017305,-0.0814005,-0.0579968,0.0004465,-0.001611,0.0072845,-0.0087735,0.0294512,0.0567152,-0.005248,0.0084882,0.007259,-0.037018,0.0075492,-0.0286258,-0.010322,-0.0404578,0.0265842
West_Siberia_HG:RUS_West_Siberia_N,0.1058555,-0.060424,0.0974855,0.199292,-0.082631,0.045738,-0.0419495,-0.0471905,-0.0334395,-0.09212,0.0194865,-0.0106405,0.0273535,-0.071908,0.0259225,0.01664,-0.01356,-0.0065875,-0.000377,0.0032515,-0.0301345,0.0109435,0.024095,0.0074705,-0.010119
East_Eurasian:RUS_Lokomotiv_N,0.0284558,-0.4138282,0.0936202,-0.016796,-0.0821692,-0.0484572,0.005934,0.0067495,0.0141635,0.0181328,-0.0125442,-0.003447,0.0033078,-0.0026832,-0.0050217,-0.0041102,0.002021,0.0016155,0.0060022,0.0159762,-0.0181555,-0.0088718,-0.0115547,-0.0048198,0.0020355
East_Eurasian:RUS_Baikal_N,0.067156,-0.213261,0.075047,0.021964,-0.074783,-0.029562,-0.012456,-0.000923,0.004909,0.005103,0.008931,0.006594,0.005 054,-0.040461,0.005022,-0.008221,-0.014081,0.000127,0.009176,0.019509,-0.031819,0.007048,0.012325,-0.008917,0.001796
South_Eurasian:NW_GonurBA2,0.11654444,-0.24601512,-0.40786925,0.27912068,-0.08462687,0.19040689,0.01482058,0.08748247,0.2333 1823,0.24528932,0.04674712,0.06256435,-0.05807151,0.09169702,-0.02552067,-0.21990369,0.02266234,-0.02176736,0.00727159,0.10469132,0.01448416,0.0169 8205,0.01663966,0.07459003,-0.10404766
South_Eurasian:NW_SiSBA2,0.09328677,-0.25142149,-0.25156984,0.38071115,-0.15498282,0.22898434,-0.0149785,0.04603814,0.20477071,0.10938937,0.00117 405,0.04946831,-0.03015784,-0.03877557,-0.0118525,-0.18752632,-0.03463192,-0.04245062,-0.0494093,0.04451038,-0.03914757,0.01133266,0.03834731,0.070928,-0.10628443
South_Eurasian:NW_SiSBA3,0.00626452,-0.26734243,-0.2643032,0.24953728,-0.07059554,0.1259178,-0.00227516,0.03540285,0.19403857,0.14887817,-0.0086271,0.01680744,-0.02608023,0.04392062,-0.03238295,-0.06722619,0.03334912,-0.00690446,-0.01318708,0.0388334,-0.00267339,0.01145176,0.01038688,0.04030307,-0.04887722
South_Eurasian:NW_SGPT,0.01615338,-0.22505484,-0.37905649,0.18477363,-0.16668914,0.16382842,0.02481901,0.06452209,0.0503 4096,0.03784746,-0.05375015,0.01405764,-0.00918092,0.05309405,0.01625326,-0.04481805,0.00194808,-0.01253792,-0.0288336,0.0286508,0.03216633,-0.00013407,0.01228559,0.04037898,-0.00001027
South_Eurasian:VUT_2300BP_all,-0.039838,-0.227479,-0.231552,0.254202,0.176648,-0.406901,0.00188,0.003,-0.025975,-0.010752,-0.00065,0.004646,0.000297,-0.001651,-0.001493,-0.002519,-0.005867,-0.007981,-0.002011,0.003877,0.008235,-0.004946,-0.003081,-0.001084,-0.010897
SSA:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
SSA:Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
SSA:TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP,-0.536107,0.044683,0.000754,0.005168,0.004308,-0.007251,0.111395,-0.095534,0.063198,-0.053395,-0.007632,-0.013938,-0.030178,-0.002064,0.020087,-0.015911,0.027772,0.079814,-0.017346,-0.006003,-0.009234,0.000247,-0.002835,-0.009519,0.002634
SSA:Mbuti,-0.649361,0.057885,0.025079,0.038437,-0.001077,0.005438,0.36315,-0.291911,0.019328,0.032301,-0.009094,0.216969,0.12428,3.4e-05,0.008007,0.001757,0.000717,-0.049567,0.015901,0.004471,0.004929,-0.00204,-0.002465,0.005784,0.000389
Iberomaurasian:MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Western_HG:WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.18927 9,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.089070 5,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045

[FinalFlash]

Its a custom calc. I don't usually post my calcs cause I edit them sometimes. But if you want to use it, here it is anyways:


Anatolia_NF:Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0 .0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Caucasus_HG:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Levant_NF:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Eastern_HG:EHG,0.120368,0.038082,0.12775,0.202603,-0.010002,0.057591,-0.019858,-0.025384,-0.007976,-0.082553,0.016726,-0.014537,0.028171,-0.045484,0.023887,0.02085,-0.008051,0.000633,-0.006348,0.016414,-0.005771,0.019568,0.008165,-0.020093,-0.007335
Iran_NF:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0455292,0.0660095,-0.1518855,0.0026648,-0.1250232,0.0204982,0.0170972,-0.0017305,-0.0814005,-0.0579968,0.0004465,-0.001611,0.0072845,-0.0087735,0.0294512,0.0567152,-0.005248,0.0084882,0.007259,-0.037018,0.0075492,-0.0286258,-0.010322,-0.0404578,0.0265842
West_Siberia_HG:RUS_West_Siberia_N,0.1058555,-0.060424,0.0974855,0.199292,-0.082631,0.045738,-0.0419495,-0.0471905,-0.0334395,-0.09212,0.0194865,-0.0106405,0.0273535,-0.071908,0.0259225,0.01664,-0.01356,-0.0065875,-0.000377,0.0032515,-0.0301345,0.0109435,0.024095,0.0074705,-0.010119
East_Eurasian:RUS_Lokomotiv_N,0.0284558,-0.4138282,0.0936202,-0.016796,-0.0821692,-0.0484572,0.005934,0.0067495,0.0141635,0.0181328,-0.0125442,-0.003447,0.0033078,-0.0026832,-0.0050217,-0.0041102,0.002021,0.0016155,0.0060022,0.0159762,-0.0181555,-0.0088718,-0.0115547,-0.0048198,0.0020355
East_Eurasian:RUS_Baikal_N,0.067156,-0.213261,0.075047,0.021964,-0.074783,-0.029562,-0.012456,-0.000923,0.004909,0.005103,0.008931,0.006594,0.005 054,-0.040461,0.005022,-0.008221,-0.014081,0.000127,0.009176,0.019509,-0.031819,0.007048,0.012325,-0.008917,0.001796
South_Eurasian:NW_GonurBA2,0.11654444,-0.24601512,-0.40786925,0.27912068,-0.08462687,0.19040689,0.01482058,0.08748247,0.2333 1823,0.24528932,0.04674712,0.06256435,-0.05807151,0.09169702,-0.02552067,-0.21990369,0.02266234,-0.02176736,0.00727159,0.10469132,0.01448416,0.0169 8205,0.01663966,0.07459003,-0.10404766
South_Eurasian:NW_SiSBA2,0.09328677,-0.25142149,-0.25156984,0.38071115,-0.15498282,0.22898434,-0.0149785,0.04603814,0.20477071,0.10938937,0.00117 405,0.04946831,-0.03015784,-0.03877557,-0.0118525,-0.18752632,-0.03463192,-0.04245062,-0.0494093,0.04451038,-0.03914757,0.01133266,0.03834731,0.070928,-0.10628443
South_Eurasian:NW_SiSBA3,0.00626452,-0.26734243,-0.2643032,0.24953728,-0.07059554,0.1259178,-0.00227516,0.03540285,0.19403857,0.14887817,-0.0086271,0.01680744,-0.02608023,0.04392062,-0.03238295,-0.06722619,0.03334912,-0.00690446,-0.01318708,0.0388334,-0.00267339,0.01145176,0.01038688,0.04030307,-0.04887722
South_Eurasian:NW_SGPT,0.01615338,-0.22505484,-0.37905649,0.18477363,-0.16668914,0.16382842,0.02481901,0.06452209,0.0503 4096,0.03784746,-0.05375015,0.01405764,-0.00918092,0.05309405,0.01625326,-0.04481805,0.00194808,-0.01253792,-0.0288336,0.0286508,0.03216633,-0.00013407,0.01228559,0.04037898,-0.00001027
South_Eurasian:VUT_2300BP_all,-0.039838,-0.227479,-0.231552,0.254202,0.176648,-0.406901,0.00188,0.003,-0.025975,-0.010752,-0.00065,0.004646,0.000297,-0.001651,-0.001493,-0.002519,-0.005867,-0.007981,-0.002011,0.003877,0.008235,-0.004946,-0.003081,-0.001084,-0.010897
SSA:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
SSA:Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
SSA:TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP,-0.536107,0.044683,0.000754,0.005168,0.004308,-0.007251,0.111395,-0.095534,0.063198,-0.053395,-0.007632,-0.013938,-0.030178,-0.002064,0.020087,-0.015911,0.027772,0.079814,-0.017346,-0.006003,-0.009234,0.000247,-0.002835,-0.009519,0.002634
SSA:Mbuti,-0.649361,0.057885,0.025079,0.038437,-0.001077,0.005438,0.36315,-0.291911,0.019328,0.032301,-0.009094,0.216969,0.12428,3.4e-05,0.008007,0.001757,0.000717,-0.049567,0.015901,0.004471,0.004929,-0.00204,-0.002465,0.005784,0.000389
Iberomaurasian:MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Western_HG:WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.18927 9,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.089070 5,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045

Thanks but how would I be able to use this calc?

[Bakha]

Its a custom calc. I don't usually post my calcs cause I edit them sometimes. But if you want to use it, here it is anyways:


Anatolia_NF:Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0 .0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Caucasus_HG:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Levant_NF:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Eastern_HG:EHG,0.120368,0.038082,0.12775,0.202603,-0.010002,0.057591,-0.019858,-0.025384,-0.007976,-0.082553,0.016726,-0.014537,0.028171,-0.045484,0.023887,0.02085,-0.008051,0.000633,-0.006348,0.016414,-0.005771,0.019568,0.008165,-0.020093,-0.007335
Iran_NF:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0455292,0.0660095,-0.1518855,0.0026648,-0.1250232,0.0204982,0.0170972,-0.0017305,-0.0814005,-0.0579968,0.0004465,-0.001611,0.0072845,-0.0087735,0.0294512,0.0567152,-0.005248,0.0084882,0.007259,-0.037018,0.0075492,-0.0286258,-0.010322,-0.0404578,0.0265842
West_Siberia_HG:RUS_West_Siberia_N,0.1058555,-0.060424,0.0974855,0.199292,-0.082631,0.045738,-0.0419495,-0.0471905,-0.0334395,-0.09212,0.0194865,-0.0106405,0.0273535,-0.071908,0.0259225,0.01664,-0.01356,-0.0065875,-0.000377,0.0032515,-0.0301345,0.0109435,0.024095,0.0074705,-0.010119
East_Eurasian:RUS_Lokomotiv_N,0.0284558,-0.4138282,0.0936202,-0.016796,-0.0821692,-0.0484572,0.005934,0.0067495,0.0141635,0.0181328,-0.0125442,-0.003447,0.0033078,-0.0026832,-0.0050217,-0.0041102,0.002021,0.0016155,0.0060022,0.0159762,-0.0181555,-0.0088718,-0.0115547,-0.0048198,0.0020355
East_Eurasian:RUS_Baikal_N,0.067156,-0.213261,0.075047,0.021964,-0.074783,-0.029562,-0.012456,-0.000923,0.004909,0.005103,0.008931,0.006594,0.005 054,-0.040461,0.005022,-0.008221,-0.014081,0.000127,0.009176,0.019509,-0.031819,0.007048,0.012325,-0.008917,0.001796
South_Eurasian:NW_GonurBA2,0.11654444,-0.24601512,-0.40786925,0.27912068,-0.08462687,0.19040689,0.01482058,0.08748247,0.2333 1823,0.24528932,0.04674712,0.06256435,-0.05807151,0.09169702,-0.02552067,-0.21990369,0.02266234,-0.02176736,0.00727159,0.10469132,0.01448416,0.0169 8205,0.01663966,0.07459003,-0.10404766
South_Eurasian:NW_SiSBA2,0.09328677,-0.25142149,-0.25156984,0.38071115,-0.15498282,0.22898434,-0.0149785,0.04603814,0.20477071,0.10938937,0.00117 405,0.04946831,-0.03015784,-0.03877557,-0.0118525,-0.18752632,-0.03463192,-0.04245062,-0.0494093,0.04451038,-0.03914757,0.01133266,0.03834731,0.070928,-0.10628443
South_Eurasian:NW_SiSBA3,0.00626452,-0.26734243,-0.2643032,0.24953728,-0.07059554,0.1259178,-0.00227516,0.03540285,0.19403857,0.14887817,-0.0086271,0.01680744,-0.02608023,0.04392062,-0.03238295,-0.06722619,0.03334912,-0.00690446,-0.01318708,0.0388334,-0.00267339,0.01145176,0.01038688,0.04030307,-0.04887722
South_Eurasian:NW_SGPT,0.01615338,-0.22505484,-0.37905649,0.18477363,-0.16668914,0.16382842,0.02481901,0.06452209,0.0503 4096,0.03784746,-0.05375015,0.01405764,-0.00918092,0.05309405,0.01625326,-0.04481805,0.00194808,-0.01253792,-0.0288336,0.0286508,0.03216633,-0.00013407,0.01228559,0.04037898,-0.00001027
South_Eurasian:VUT_2300BP_all,-0.039838,-0.227479,-0.231552,0.254202,0.176648,-0.406901,0.00188,0.003,-0.025975,-0.010752,-0.00065,0.004646,0.000297,-0.001651,-0.001493,-0.002519,-0.005867,-0.007981,-0.002011,0.003877,0.008235,-0.004946,-0.003081,-0.001084,-0.010897
SSA:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
SSA:Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
SSA:TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP,-0.536107,0.044683,0.000754,0.005168,0.004308,-0.007251,0.111395,-0.095534,0.063198,-0.053395,-0.007632,-0.013938,-0.030178,-0.002064,0.020087,-0.015911,0.027772,0.079814,-0.017346,-0.006003,-0.009234,0.000247,-0.002835,-0.009519,0.002634
SSA:Mbuti,-0.649361,0.057885,0.025079,0.038437,-0.001077,0.005438,0.36315,-0.291911,0.019328,0.032301,-0.009094,0.216969,0.12428,3.4e-05,0.008007,0.001757,0.000717,-0.049567,0.015901,0.004471,0.004929,-0.00204,-0.002465,0.005784,0.000389
Iberomaurasian:MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Western_HG:WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.18927 9,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.089070 5,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Great big thanks

[Mingle]

Thanks but how would I be able to use this calc?

1. Go to this site: https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/
2. Post the coordinates above for the calculator in SOURCE.
3. Post the coordinates of the population you want to model in TARGET.
4. Go to SINGLE and click on the population's name.

If you don't want to use that site, you can also use poi's tool: http://185.144.156.77:3000/freeform_nmonte.html

If you decide to use poi's tool, then use pen=0 for this calculator.

[FinalFlash]

1. Go to this site: https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/
2. Post the coordinates above for the calculator in SOURCE.
3. Post the coordinates of the population you want to model in TARGET.
4. Go to SINGLE and click on the population's name.

If you don't want to use that site, you can also use poi's tool: http://185.144.156.77:3000/freeform_nmonte.html

If you decide to use poi's tool, then use pen=0 for this calculator.

I don't need that code for poi's tool, right?

[tipirneni]

Target: Suresh_T_scaled
Distance: 1.8239% / 0.01823933
Aggregated
41.0 South_Eurasian
37.6 Iran_NF
7.2 Anatolia_NF
6.8 West_Siberia_HG
2.8 Western_HG
2.6 East_Eurasian
2.0 Levant_NF

South Eurasian has some IberoMauri component

[Mingle]

I don't need that code for poi's tool, right?

If you wanna use that calc you would since its not embedded in his tool.

[Kamal900]

I probably wouldn't use Mozabites for the Palestinian model. I would use Egyptians instead. It looks okay though. The amount of Mozabite he picks up is fairly small anyways.

The Egyptian shouldn't be getting that much Mozabite. It gets much more Mozabite than the Palestinian since its genetically closer and an overfit occurs (keep in mind Mozabites have partial Arabian ancestry they share with Egyptians in addition to other ancestries). It'd be better to use Iberomaurasian instead.

If Egyptians and Levantine had genuine Amazigh ancestry, then they would get Iberomaurasian as I stated as this is a component that all Amazigh people have in significant quantities. But they don't even get minor Iberomaurasian.

These are the results they get on my Neolithic Age calculator:


Target: Palestinian
Distance: 2.6569% / 0.02656891
Aggregated
34.2 Levant_NF
30.6 Anatolia_NF
20.4 Iran_NF
10.0 Caucasus_HG
3.0 SSA
1.6 West_Siberia_HG
0.2 Eastern_HG


Target: Egyptian
Distance: 2.3868% / 0.02386847
Aggregated
39.8 Levant_NF
27.0 Anatolia_NF
14.2 Iran_NF
11.4 SSA
7.0 Caucasus_HG
0.4 South_Eurasian
0.2 Iberomaurasian

The Palestinians get 0 Iberomaurasian whereas the Egyptians gets noise levels of Iberomaurasian (0.2%).

Compare this to Iberians who are often said to have minor Maghrebi ancestry:


Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 4.5997% / 0.04599723
Aggregated
58.6 Anatolia_NF
20.0 Eastern_HG
9.8 Western_HG
6.4 Caucasus_HG
4.2 Iberomaurasian
1.0 South_Eurasian


Target: Portuguese
Distance: 4.1500% / 0.04150026
Aggregated
58.6 Anatolia_NF
19.4 Eastern_HG
9.2 Western_HG
7.8 Caucasus_HG
4.6 Iberomaurasian
0.4 South_Eurasian

I don't know why they get South Eurasian, maybe the sample isn't very good and contains minor Caucasoid that gets picked up. But anyways, you can see the difference here in the Iberomaurasian between the Iberians and Egyptians/Palestinians.

For reference, here is a Mozabite:


Target: Mozabite
Distance: 2.3995% / 0.02399484
Aggregated
41.2 Anatolia_NF
31.8 Iberomaurasian
10.2 SSA
7.4 Levant_NF
4.8 Caucasus_HG
2.8 Eastern_HG
1.0 Western_HG
0.8 Iran_NF

I see. What do you think on the fact that Egyptians cluster the closest to Levantines than to North Africans even though Egypt is geographically located in North Africa rather than in the Levant?

[21993]

I wish Sikeliot hasn’t been banned. He would also have an opinion about this thread.

[Samnium]

I wish Sikeliot hasn’t been banned. He would also have an opinion about this thread.He talked about that on Anthrogenica, a shame that he's ban he has interesting things to say on this subject. (You can go on Anthrogenica to see what he written)

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[Kyp]

yes

[Voskos]

Yes. Except jordanians and to some extent palestinians , who are majority descended from bedouin tribes.

[Mingle]

I see. What do you think on the fact that Egyptians cluster the closest to Levantines than to North Africans even though Egypt is geographically located in North Africa rather than in the Levant?

If you look at a population density map of Africa, you'll notice that the bulk of Egypt's population lives along the Nile River, which is much closer to the Levant than to Northwest Africa.

In the Maghreb, the regions with the highest population density are in the northwestern Maghreb.

https://na.unep.net/siouxfalls/globalpop/africa/images/p60.png

Amazighs probably also originated in the western Maghreb, and they carry a distinct component (Maghreb Neolithic/Iberomaurasian) that didn't affect Egyptians much. Egyptians don't have an additional unique Neolithic component that doesn't exist among Levantines (and vice versa). Since Maghrebis mostly live in the northern mountains and are separated from Egypt by sparsely populated desert, it makes sense that Egypt would have had much more contact with West Asia than the rest of North Africa.

Also, the easternmost Amazighs are the Siwa Amazighs of western Egypt's Siwa Oasis. I haven't ever seen the genetics of someone from that region, but its possible that Egyptians aren't all that distant to Siwa Amazighs.

[Leto]

Yes. Except jordanians and to some extent palestinians , who are majority descended from bedouin tribes.
I'm interested in Syria. How different are the Syrian regions from each other? Do they have many genetically Lebanese-like people?

[FinalFlash]

I'm interested in Syria. How different are the Syrian regions from each other? Do they have many genetically Lebanese-like people?

Syrian kits

M091466
FG1578936
M848799
M541036
M160906
M637421
M881811
CL2940963
A966623
A114334

[Leto]

Syrian kits

M091466
FG1578936
M848799
M541036
M160906
M637421
M881811
CL2940963
A966623
A114334
Are they all of Muslim origin? They are quite unusual. Some get 6-7% African but also as much as 10% European (Baltic, N. Atlantic) and even a bit of South Asian (2-3%).

[FinalFlash]

Are they all of Muslim origin? They are quite unusual. Some get 6-7% African but also as much as 10% European (Baltic, N. Atlantic) and even a bit of South Asian (2-3%).

Yeah I believe they are based off their names that I found using the 'one-to-many' option. Their Steppe score isn't that surprising tbh because they seem to be on par with Lebanese Muslims in that regard except a bit less "East Med". Speaking of which, do you have any Lebanese Muslim kit numbers?

[Leto]

Yeah I believe they are based off their names that I found using the 'one-to-many' option. Their Steppe score isn't that surprising tbh because they seem to be on par with Lebanese Muslims in that regard except a bit less "East Med".
I've run them all through Harappa

Kit M091466

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.83
2 SW-Asian 22.8
3 Mediterranean 15.36
4 Baloch 11.73
5 NE-Euro 5.18
6 E-African 3.34
7 S-Indian 2.03
8 Siberian 1.07
9 Pygmy 0.31
10 Beringian 0.2
11 San 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.04
2 syrian (behar) 6.85
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.91
4 jordanian (behar) 8.12
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 9.1


Kit FG1578936

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.18
2 SW-Asian 20.03
3 Mediterranean 14.41
4 Baloch 10.46
5 NE-Euro 6.5
6 E-African 4.51
7 W-African 4.02
8 S-Indian 1.88
9 NE-Asian 0.67
10 Papuan 0.6
11 Siberian 0.39
12 Beringian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 7.37
2 syrian (behar) 9.05
3 palestinian (harappa) 9.4
4 jordanian (behar) 9.92
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 10.75


Kit M848799

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.41
2 SW-Asian 21.19
3 Mediterranean 13.47
4 Baloch 12.39
5 NE-Euro 4.98
6 E-African 3.87
7 W-African 1.52
8 S-Indian 1.21
9 Pygmy 0.6
10 Siberian 0.53
11 San 0.46
12 Papuan 0.25
13 NE-Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 3.88
2 palestinian (harappa) 5.69
3 syrian (behar) 5.73
4 lebanese-muslim (haber) 7.07
5 jordanian (behar) 8.22


Kit M541036

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.55
2 SW-Asian 21.22
3 Mediterranean 14.58
4 Baloch 11.85
5 NE-Euro 4.78
6 E-African 4.11
7 W-African 1.86
8 NE-Asian 1.25
9 San 0.88
10 Pygmy 0.67
11 Papuan 0.55
12 S-Indian 0.51
13 American 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 4.98
2 palestinian (harappa) 6.95
3 syrian (behar) 7.13
4 jordanian (behar) 8.29
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 8.71


Kit M160906

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.81
2 SW-Asian 23.23
3 Mediterranean 13.49
4 Baloch 11.25
5 E-African 5.44
6 W-African 3.24
7 NE-Euro 2.68
8 S-Indian 1.72
9 Papuan 0.8
10 Beringian 0.61
11 Pygmy 0.32
12 Siberian 0.2
13 SE-Asian 0.16
14 American 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.18
2 jordanian (behar) 5.88
3 syrian (behar) 6.3
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.35
5 palestinian (hgdp) 8.75


Kit M637421

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.37
2 SW-Asian 22.95
3 Mediterranean 13.51
4 Baloch 11.64
5 NE-Euro 5.05
6 E-African 4.84
7 W-African 2.98
8 S-Indian 1.29
9 Papuan 0.62
10 Beringian 0.41
11 American 0.15
12 Pygmy 0.12
13 Siberian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.56
2 syrian (behar) 6.6
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.65
4 jordanian (behar) 7
5 palestinian (hgdp) 9.7


Kit M881811

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.84
2 SW-Asian 25.23
3 Mediterranean 13.11
4 Baloch 9.98
5 E-African 6.39
6 NE-Euro 3.56
7 W-African 1.99
8 Papuan 1.2
9 Siberian 0.22
10 SE-Asian 0.22
11 S-Indian 0.16
12 American 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 jordanian (behar) 4.3
2 lebanese (behar) 4.96
3 syrian (behar) 6.14
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.56
5 palestinian (hgdp) 6.85


Kit CL2940963

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.62
2 SW-Asian 22.92
3 Mediterranean 12.22
4 Baloch 12.22
5 NE-Euro 6.7
6 E-African 3.41
7 W-African 2.13
8 S-Indian 2.1
9 Beringian 0.9
10 San 0.43
11 NE-Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 6.06
2 syrian (behar) 6.15
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.46
4 jordanian (behar) 8.06
5 iraqi-arab (harappa) 8.86


Kit A966623

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.88
2 SW-Asian 23.98
3 Mediterranean 11.48
4 Baloch 10.41
5 E-African 4.61
6 NE-Euro 3.16
7 W-African 2.09
8 S-Indian 1.18
9 NE-Asian 1.14
10 SE-Asian 1.04
11 Papuan 0.51
12 Beringian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 2.79
2 syrian (behar) 3.59
3 jordanian (behar) 4.75
4 palestinian (harappa) 4.86
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 6.54


Kit A114334

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.16
2 SW-Asian 25.95
3 Mediterranean 12.3
4 Baloch 11.22
5 NE-Euro 6.48
6 E-African 4.6
7 S-Indian 1.66
8 Papuan 0.64
9 San 0.46
10 Pygmy 0.34
11 W-African 0.12
12 American 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 syrian (behar) 6.46
2 jordanian (behar) 6.56
3 lebanese (behar) 6.65
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.84
5 palestinian (hgdp) 8.48


Speaking of which, do you have any Lebanese Muslim kit numbers?
There were some on here definitely, I'll have to look for them though. Ahaddad or what's his username, he might have a few.

[FinalFlash]

I've run them all through Harappa

Kit M091466

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.83
2 SW-Asian 22.8
3 Mediterranean 15.36
4 Baloch 11.73
5 NE-Euro 5.18
6 E-African 3.34
7 S-Indian 2.03
8 Siberian 1.07
9 Pygmy 0.31
10 Beringian 0.2
11 San 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.04
2 syrian (behar) 6.85
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.91
4 jordanian (behar) 8.12
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 9.1


Kit FG1578936

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.18
2 SW-Asian 20.03
3 Mediterranean 14.41
4 Baloch 10.46
5 NE-Euro 6.5
6 E-African 4.51
7 W-African 4.02
8 S-Indian 1.88
9 NE-Asian 0.67
10 Papuan 0.6
11 Siberian 0.39
12 Beringian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 7.37
2 syrian (behar) 9.05
3 palestinian (harappa) 9.4
4 jordanian (behar) 9.92
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 10.75


Kit M848799

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.41
2 SW-Asian 21.19
3 Mediterranean 13.47
4 Baloch 12.39
5 NE-Euro 4.98
6 E-African 3.87
7 W-African 1.52
8 S-Indian 1.21
9 Pygmy 0.6
10 Siberian 0.53
11 San 0.46
12 Papuan 0.25
13 NE-Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 3.88
2 palestinian (harappa) 5.69
3 syrian (behar) 5.73
4 lebanese-muslim (haber) 7.07
5 jordanian (behar) 8.22


Kit M541036

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.55
2 SW-Asian 21.22
3 Mediterranean 14.58
4 Baloch 11.85
5 NE-Euro 4.78
6 E-African 4.11
7 W-African 1.86
8 NE-Asian 1.25
9 San 0.88
10 Pygmy 0.67
11 Papuan 0.55
12 S-Indian 0.51
13 American 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 4.98
2 palestinian (harappa) 6.95
3 syrian (behar) 7.13
4 jordanian (behar) 8.29
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 8.71


Kit M160906

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.81
2 SW-Asian 23.23
3 Mediterranean 13.49
4 Baloch 11.25
5 E-African 5.44
6 W-African 3.24
7 NE-Euro 2.68
8 S-Indian 1.72
9 Papuan 0.8
10 Beringian 0.61
11 Pygmy 0.32
12 Siberian 0.2
13 SE-Asian 0.16
14 American 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.18
2 jordanian (behar) 5.88
3 syrian (behar) 6.3
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.35
5 palestinian (hgdp) 8.75


Kit M637421

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.37
2 SW-Asian 22.95
3 Mediterranean 13.51
4 Baloch 11.64
5 NE-Euro 5.05
6 E-African 4.84
7 W-African 2.98
8 S-Indian 1.29
9 Papuan 0.62
10 Beringian 0.41
11 American 0.15
12 Pygmy 0.12
13 Siberian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 5.56
2 syrian (behar) 6.6
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.65
4 jordanian (behar) 7
5 palestinian (hgdp) 9.7


Kit M881811

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.84
2 SW-Asian 25.23
3 Mediterranean 13.11
4 Baloch 9.98
5 E-African 6.39
6 NE-Euro 3.56
7 W-African 1.99
8 Papuan 1.2
9 Siberian 0.22
10 SE-Asian 0.22
11 S-Indian 0.16
12 American 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 jordanian (behar) 4.3
2 lebanese (behar) 4.96
3 syrian (behar) 6.14
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.56
5 palestinian (hgdp) 6.85


Kit CL2940963

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.62
2 SW-Asian 22.92
3 Mediterranean 12.22
4 Baloch 12.22
5 NE-Euro 6.7
6 E-African 3.41
7 W-African 2.13
8 S-Indian 2.1
9 Beringian 0.9
10 San 0.43
11 NE-Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 6.06
2 syrian (behar) 6.15
3 palestinian (harappa) 6.46
4 jordanian (behar) 8.06
5 iraqi-arab (harappa) 8.86


Kit A966623

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.88
2 SW-Asian 23.98
3 Mediterranean 11.48
4 Baloch 10.41
5 E-African 4.61
6 NE-Euro 3.16
7 W-African 2.09
8 S-Indian 1.18
9 NE-Asian 1.14
10 SE-Asian 1.04
11 Papuan 0.51
12 Beringian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 lebanese (behar) 2.79
2 syrian (behar) 3.59
3 jordanian (behar) 4.75
4 palestinian (harappa) 4.86
5 lebanese-muslim (haber) 6.54


Kit A114334

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.16
2 SW-Asian 25.95
3 Mediterranean 12.3
4 Baloch 11.22
5 NE-Euro 6.48
6 E-African 4.6
7 S-Indian 1.66
8 Papuan 0.64
9 San 0.46
10 Pygmy 0.34
11 W-African 0.12
12 American 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 syrian (behar) 6.46
2 jordanian (behar) 6.56
3 lebanese (behar) 6.65
4 palestinian (harappa) 6.84
5 palestinian (hgdp) 8.48


There were some on here definitely, I'll have to look for them though. Ahaddad or what's his username, he might have a few.

Spasibo Bolshoi!

[valentinavalley2]

No, I believe that the ones who speak Aramaic as a daily language are though, Muslims who speak Aramaic have more right to Levant lands then Christians who speak Arabic.


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[Kamal900]

I wish Sikeliot hasn’t been banned. He would also have an opinion about this thread.

He's in Anthrogenica.

[Kamal900]

Yes. Except jordanians and to some extent palestinians , who are majority descended from bedouin tribes.

Well, yeah, but you need to understand that a lot of these Bedouins belong to the BedouinA genetic cluster that they cluster far more closely to us Palestinians, Egyptians and other Levantines than to their BedouinB grouping.

[21993]

He's in Anthrogenica.

I asked the same question in Anthrogenica. https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18686-Are-modern-Levantines-Arabicised-Canaanites

[Kamal900]

I asked the same question in Anthrogenica. https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18686-Are-modern-Levantines-Arabicised-Canaanites

I have posted my answer to the thread:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18686-Are-modern-Levantines-Arabicised-Canaanites&p=612590&viewfull=1#post612590

[Mingle]

I have posted my answer to the thread:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18686-Are-modern-Levantines-Arabicised-Canaanites&p=612590&viewfull=1#post612590Nabataea gave you his account?

[21993]

No, I believe that the ones who speak Aramaic as a daily language are though, Muslims who speak Aramaic have more right to Levant lands then Christians who speak Arabic.


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Might there be only a language shift?

[Kamal900]

Nabataea gave you his account?

Yup.

[Mingle]

Yup.

What happened to him? He hasn't posted in ages. Is he coming back? Does he still sometimes use his AG account?

[valentinavalley2]

Might there be only a language shift?

Doubt it, Maronite Christians in Lebanon are just Arabs, while Maronite Christians in Palestine are Aramaic because they speak the Aramaic language.


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[21993]

Doubt it, Maronite Christians in Lebanon are just Arabs, while Maronite Christians in Palestine are Aramaic because they speak the Aramaic language.


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But in terms of genetics Christian Lebanese don’t cluster with Saudis at all?

[valentinavalley2]

But in terms of genetics Christian Lebanese don’t cluster with Saudis at all?

They do, but Lebanon had a lot of foreigners.


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[Kamal900]

What happened to him? He hasn't posted in ages. Is he coming back? Does he still sometimes use his AG account?

Bro, he's married, so it's quite obvious that he doesn't spend his time on the internet as he used.

[Kamal900]

They do, but Lebanon had a lot of foreigners.


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lol, no.

[21993]

lol, no.

:D

[Kamal900]

:D

I'm so sick and tired of people claiming that the reason why Levantines don't look like other Arabs is due to foreign influences which is bullshit. We're predominately Levantines genetically(Pali Muslims are over 60% Levantines while Christians are nearly 90%).

[Kamal900]

Here's the genetic structure on Levantines:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?305496-The-Genetic-Structure-of-Levantine-and-Egyptian-Arabs

We're pretty much natives to our land.