Elite Colonial Brazilian DNA results

[Adamastor]

From Rio de Janeiro. All of her ancestors were established in Brazil by 1800. She comes from a family of diplomats and colonial administrators.
The ''Italian'' is likely MyHeritage bullshit (I'm mostly Italian and I have more Balkanic than Italian there lol).

She seems to be almost fully Portuguese (at least 95%-96%). The 0,9% ''Nigerian'' could have come from the Portuguese and it seems MyHeritage ''MesoAmerican'' category is based on Mestizos.


https://i.postimg.cc/MpbHkzCZ/elite-brazilian.jpg

Her pic (she's 95 now):

https://i.postimg.cc/CMsFJwqw/elite-Brazilian-2.jpg


I've always said that, Brazil is the only Latin American country with near full or even full European colonial individuals.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

I agree, Brazil have an abnormal quantity of persons that are in Americas for about 300-400 years and still are almost full iberian.

[Adamastor]

Her K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.47
2 West_Med 24.5
3 East_Med 13.26
4 Baltic 11.11
5 Red_Sea 4.89
6 Amerindian 3.01
7 Northeast_African 2.67
8 West_Asian 1.19
9 Oceanian 0.92
10 South_Asian 0.65
11 Sub-Saharan 0.16
12 East_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 3.93
2 Spanish_Galicia 4.75
3 Spanish_Extremadura 4.77
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.97
5 Spanish_Murcia 5.27
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.63
7 Spanish_Cataluna 6.68
8 Spanish_Valencia 6.72
9 Spanish_Andalucia 7.36
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.66
11 Spanish_Aragon 9.07
12 Southwest_French 9.65
13 North_Italian 10.23
14 French 10.51
15 Tuscan 15.42
16 West_German 16.43
17 South_Dutch 16.44
18 French_Basque 20.29
19 Southeast_English 20.65
20 Serbian 20.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.4% Portuguese + 2.6% Karitiana @ 2.25
2 97.1% Portuguese + 2.9% Pima @ 2.27
3 97% Portuguese + 3% Mayan @ 2.29
4 96.9% Portuguese + 3.1% North_Amerindian @ 2.45
5 96.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 3.6% Pima @ 2.94
6 96% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 4% North_Amerindian @ 2.97
7 96.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 3.7% Mayan @ 2.99
8 96.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 3.2% Karitiana @ 3
9 97% Spanish_Galicia + 3% Karitiana @ 3.07
10 96.8% Spanish_Galicia + 3.2% Pima @ 3.09
11 96.7% Spanish_Galicia + 3.3% Mayan @ 3.12
12 97% Portuguese + 3% East_Greenlander @ 3.16
13 96.8% Portuguese + 3.2% West_Greenlander @ 3.18
14 96.5% Spanish_Galicia + 3.5% North_Amerindian @ 3.25
15 93.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 6.1% MA-1 @ 3.36
16 96.5% Portuguese + 3.5% MA-1 @ 3.38
17 97.3% Portuguese + 2.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.51
18 97.4% Portuguese + 2.6% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.51
19 97.7% Portuguese + 2.3% Somali @ 3.53
20 95.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 4.8% West_Greenlander @ 3.54


Basically a Portuguese with 3% Amerindian.

You cannot find such results in other Latin American countries.

[Lucas]

Brazilian Colonial Elite don't have too much Italian / German blood?

[Adamastor]

Brazilian Colonial Elite don't have too much Italian / German blood?

No. Germans and Italians arrived after the colonial period.

[Pedro Ruben]

Interesting! Practically Portuguese!... in k13 i have :Amerindian 1.19 + Siberian 0.56

[Adamastor]

Interesting! Practically Portuguese!... in k13 i have :Amerindian 1.19 + Siberian 0.56

Yeah, she's basically a Portuguese with very minor Amerindian admixture.

Estimating the exact quantity of Amerindian or SSA through GEDmatch in people who are above 85% European is hard because some Europeans can score these components in minor amounts (1-4% depending on the individual) as well.

This woman is likely in between 96-98% Portuguese.

[Pedro Ruben]

Yeah, she's basically a Portuguese with very minor Amerindian admixture.

Estimating the exact quantity of Amerindian or SSA through GEDmatch in people who are above 85% European is hard because some Europeans can score these components in minor amounts (1-4% depending on the individual) as well.

This woman is likely in between 96-98% Portuguese.

yes, it must be at least 98% Portuguese ... She has a small percentage Amerindian, but part of that same percentage may not be exactly Amerindian, but maybe something old from the region of Siberia that also have some Europeans

[Cumansky]

My Mother is more SSA than this person is almost Portuguese (they are Portuguese) and supposed to have highest SSA in Europe

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Brazilian Colonial Elite don't have too much Italian / German blood?

No, white people from South Brazil have this german-italian combo and they are from XIX century. Espírito Santo, Mato Grosso and Mato Grasso do Sul could be included in this category too.

Sao Paulo has a lot of whites with both colonial and italian ancestry.

Most whites in the rest of Brazil are colonials with only some exceptions, they are mainly iberian and arrived centuries ago. They live mostly as white minorities in 20-45% white states.

[Adamastor]

No, white people from South Brazil have this german-italian combo and they are from XIX century. Espírito Santo, Mato Grosso and Mato Grasso do Sul could be included in this category too.

Sao Paulo has a lot of whites with both colonial and italian ancestry.

Most whites in the rest of Brazil are colonials with only some exceptions, they are mainly iberian and arrived centuries ago. They live mostly as white minorities in 20-45% white states.

Your picture is not that accurate. There's an ocean of difference between whites from Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais and the ones in the North or Northeast, for example.
These two states (RJ, MG) received Portuguese (or Italians as well in the case of MG) until late 19th century (MG) or 1950 (RJ).

The Europeans who arrived centuries ago were mainly in Northeast and I doubt there are many colonial whites in Northeast above 90% European. It's possible in MG and RJ because in these states, especially MG, the biggest flow of immigration happened in the 18th century and it's not that far in time.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Your picture is not that accurate. There's an ocean of difference between whites from Rio de Janeiro and Minas Gerais and the ones in the North or Northeast, for example.
These two states (RJ, MG) received Portuguese (or Italians as well in the case of MG) until late 19th century (MG) or 1950 (RJ).

The Europeans who arrived centuries ago were mainly in Northeast and I doubt there are many colonial whites in Northeast above 90% European. It's possible in MG and RJ because in these states, especially MG, the biggest flow of immigration happened in the 18th century and it's not that far in time.

There is a huge difference between 20% and 45%, its more than double.

Also I said "MOST" for all three categories, its clearly a generalization or do you think all whites in South Brazil are a german-italian combo?

[Latinus]

Interesting! Practically Portuguese!... in k13 i have :Amerindian 1.19 + Siberian 0.56

So... would you say she looks like a fully Portuguese female from Portugal?

[Adamastor]

So... would you say she looks like a fully Portuguese female from Portugal?

Of course, this person is 97-98% Portuguese, it would be impossible to look like any other thing. Any admixture below 5% is very unlikely to show in phenotype, especially Amerindian that can be invisible even in much higher amounts.

[Pedro Ruben]

So... would you say she looks like a fully Portuguese female from Portugal?

Yes, although she has the Amerindian percentage highest than a Portuguese native, but the difference is not very significant... since in k13 she has 3% of Amerindian and I have 1.19% Amerindian and 0.56 Siberian (similar). It makes little difference, we can see that in Single Population Sharing:
1 Portuguese
2 Spanish_Galicia
3 Spanish_Extremadura

Which are the same populations as in my results

[Latinus]

Of course, this person is 97-98% Portuguese, it would be impossible to look like any other thing. Any admixture below 5% is very unlikely to show in phenotype, especially Amerindian that can be invisible even in much higher amounts.

Then... why do I perceive a "New World Vibe"?
Or is just a wrongly perception from my part? Since Iberian/Southern Euros phenotypes are common in Brazil, I might think of them as having a Brazilian vibe, even if they look fully European, is that it?

[Pedro Ruben]

Then... why do I perceive a "New World Vibe"?
Or is just a wrongly perception from my part? Since Iberian/Southern Euros phenotypes are common in Brazil, I might think of them as having a Brazilian vibe, even if they look fully European, is that it?

A picture is black and white, old ... can be deceiving ... but I at first glance see nothing of "New World Vibe" :p

[Adamastor]

Then... why do I perceive a "New World Vibe"?
Or is just a wrongly perception from my part? Since Iberian/Southern Euros phenotypes are common in Brazil, I might think of them as having a Brazilian vibe, even if they look fully European, is that it?

Dude, anyone that is above 95% European will look European, no matter what. 2% of admixture is impossible to show strongly. There are people with 10%+ of non-white blood who just look white, with 2% looking mixed is impossible.

The owner of this forum himself, Loki, is around 4-5% SSA and he just looks Northwestern European.

[Latinus]

Dude, anyone that is above 95% European will look European, no matter what. 2% of admixture is impossible to show strongly. There are people with 10%+ of non-white blood who just look white, with 2% looking mixed is impossible.

The owner of this forum himself, Loki, is around 4-5% SSA and he just looks Northwestern European.

I know, I'm not doubting that, LOL.
I'm just saying the following: if you had told me she was Castiza, I wouldn't doubt.
But Pedro Rubens, who is Tuga and impartial, said she has no New World Vibe, and he would probably perceive it if she had.

It's the same with Ivete Sangalo, she is very close to full Euro, but still looks New World Brazilian, in my opinion.

[Cernunnos]

She is 95 years old, she is probably a great grandmother by now, probably her grandsons and great grandsons are already mixed. Unless she kept her "elite" status and wanted to mantain the blood intact.

I wonder if some of these "elite" families are not a bit inbred, assuming that the vast majority of Portuguese colonials mixed with africans and natives, in order to mantain and keep the European blood pure or relatively pure they would have to select just a few families who they could breed with.

[Latinus]

Most white Brazilians from the traditional elite are not racist, but classicist, they would have no problem mating with rich Japanese, mulatos(as), castizo(as)...
Real purity here is reduced to poor colonos from the countryside.
It's like when people on the Internet say that white Latinos, because of their minority status, are more racialist regarding relationships when compared their American counterparts... seriously, I don't buy it, race mixing between whites and non-whites is more common here, and I'm talking about current times, not colonial ones.

[Adamastor]

She is 95 years old, she is probably a great grandmother by now, probably her grandsons and great grandsons are already mixed. Unless she kept her "elite" status and wanted to mantain the blood intact.

I wonder if some of these "elite" families are not a bit inbred, assuming that the vast majority of Portuguese colonials mixed with africans and natives, in order to mantain and keep the European blood pure or relatively pure they would have to select just a few families who they could breed with.

I have the results of her grandson and of her great-grandaughter.

Grandson:

https://i.postimg.cc/rwzhRHQT/marco-results.jpg

He's almost fully European as well. He is the son of her son, his mother was an Italian immigrant.

His daughter:

https://i.postimg.cc/gcNqyDw2/bisneta-results.jpg

She has more admixture, but not by a lot. Her mother is from Bahia that's why the girl has a bit more admixture, but the mother is a white baiana - 85% Portuguese, 7% Amerindian and 7% SSA (and she looks very white, tall and with blue eyes).

A big portion of the white upper middle class in Brazil is highly endogamous from a phenotypical point of view. That's why even if some have small admixture most individuals tested consistently score above 85% European.

[bandeirante]

I have the results of her grandson and of her great-grandaughter.

Grandson:

https://i.postimg.cc/rwzhRHQT/marco-results.jpg

He's almost fully European as well. He is the son of her son, his mother was an Italian immigrant.

His daughter:

https://i.postimg.cc/gcNqyDw2/bisneta-results.jpg

She has more admixture, but not by a lot. Her mother is from Bahia that's why the girl has a bit more admixture, but the mother is a white baiana - 85% Portuguese, 7% Amerindian and 7% SSA (and she looks very white, tall and with blue eyes).

A big portion of the white upper middle class in Brazil is highly endogamous from a phenotypical point of view. That's why even if some have small admixture most individuals tested consistently score above 85% European.

white baiana?

[Adamastor]

white baiana?

Yes. What's the problem? Bahia is not 99% black, you know...

You're very dumb and uninformed, lisarb...

[Jased]

I wouldn't say Brazil is the only latin american country where 80% european colonials exist some countries are just more prevelent then others even in Mexico for example my whole family are from the North east and most of them are 80% or more and 0% recent european ancestry.

[Adamastor]

I wouldn't say Brazil is the only latin american country where 80% european colonials exist some countries are just more prevelent then others even in Mexico for example my whole family are from the North east and most of them are 80% or more and 0% recent european ancestry.

This person isn't just 80%+ European, she is 97-98% European, look at her GEDmatch results. Show me a single colonial result from Hispanic America that is similar, they simply don't exist. Her son is in the same range, the grandson is 98-99% Euro and only the grandaughter has a bit more of admixture, being 93% European... But only her and the son are fully colonial.

[Jased]

This person isn't just 80%+ European, she is 97-98% European, look at her GEDmatch results. Show me a single colonial result from Hispanic America that is similar, they simply don't exist. Her son is in the same range, the grandson is 98-99% Euro and only the grandaughter has a bit more of admixture, being 93% European... But only her and the son are fully colonial.

Ahh misunderstood, But thats a really strong statement what makes you say that? I can PM and send you some gedmatch of some family members and friends all 100% from North east Mexico who are between 80-95% European Caucasoid.

[Adamastor]

Ahh misunderstood, But thats a really strong statement what makes you say that? I can PM and send you some gedmatch of some family members and friends all 100% from North east Mexico who are between 80-95% European Caucasoid.

I never saw a single Mexican result above 95% European, even among people of recent European ancestry there. I'd appreciate if you can PM me some. On the other hand, I can share many Brazilians above 95% European who are mostly colonial or even fully colonial, like this one.

Recently I posted a colonial Mexican that is heavily European, but he was 90% European at most.

[Latinus]

I never saw a single Mexican result above 95% European, even among people of recent European ancestry there. I'd appreciate if you can PM me some. On the other hand, I can share many Brazilians above 95% European who are mostly colonial or even fully colonial, like this one.

Recently I posted a colonial Mexican that is heavily European, but he was 90% European at most.

Why is that? Because Mexico had a smaller Euro imput in Colonial times compared to Brazil? Because they received less pos-colonial European immigration compared to Brazi? A mix of both?

[Adamastor]

Why is that? Because Mexico had a smaller Euro imput in Colonial times compared to Brazil? Because they received less pos-colonial European immigration compared to Brazi? A mix of both?

Both. Mexico received fewer Spaniards than Brazil received Portuguese in the colonial times and post-independence European immigration in Brazil was also much bigger than in Mexico.

Most historians estimate the number of Spaniards immigrated in all of the Hispanic America to have been around 300.000-400.000 from 16th century to the independence in the 19th century. Only in the 18th century Brazil received 800.000 Portuguese colonists. The colonial European input in Brazil is 5x or 6x bigger than in the rest of Latin America.

[Jased]

I never saw a single Mexican result above 95% European, even among people of recent European ancestry there. I'd appreciate if you can PM me some. On the other hand, I can share many Brazilians above 95% European who are mostly colonial or even fully colonial, like this one.

Recently I posted a colonial Mexican that is heavily European, but he was 90% European at most.


Okie dokie, i will ask them for their permission first would respond to you within 24th hours on PM also will share you mine.

[Adamastor]

Okie dokie, i will ask them for their permission first would respond to you within 24th hours on PM also will share you mine.

Sure, I'll be glad to see your results.

[Leto]

Basically a Portuguese with 3% Amerindian.

You cannot find such results in other Latin American countries.
Argentina, Uruguay?
Interestingly an Injun mixed in somewhere down the line xD

[Kamal900]

Hmm, so basically, most White Brazilians have Amerindian and SSA admixtures? That's something North Americans wouldn't count as White in their viewpoint.

[Leto]

seriously, I don't buy it, race mixing between whites and non-whites is more common here, and I'm talking about current times, not colonial ones.
In the US mixing between whites and Negroes was basically illegal up until the 1960s. On the other hand, didn't Brazil use to promote racial dilution of blacks and mulattoes as a way of getting rid of them gradually? I may be wrong of course, pardon my possible ignorance.

[Kamal900]

In the US mixing between whites and Negroes was basically illegal up until the 1960s. On the other hand, didn't Brazil use to promote racial dilution of blacks and mulattoes as a way of getting rid of them gradually? I may be wrong of course, pardon my possible ignorance.

The Spaniards and the Portuguese think differently than their Anglo-Saxon counterparts when it comes to race and so on. Race mixing back then wasn't something taboo like in the US. I've heard that one of Brazil's greatest poets happened to be a Mulatto.

[Adamastor]

Hmm, so basically, most White Brazilians have Amerindian and SSA admixtures? That's something North Americans wouldn't count as White in their viewpoint.

Yeah, most have some admixture, usually below 10%. But this person has incredibly low admixture for a Latin American of colonial origins. Looking at GEDmatch she is at most 2-3% Amerindian and 0% SSA, hardly not white enough to White North Americans since even if it isn't common there are some of them scoring up to 10% non-European.
Most people with similar results in countries like Brazil, Argentina, Cuba and Uruguay have recent European ancestry, they are not fully from the colonial period and that's why these results are impressive. You cannot find easily such results among colonials in other Latin American countries, only in Brazil.


Argentina, Uruguay?
Interestingly an Injun mixed in somewhere down the line xD

Argentina and Uruguay European input is mostly recent/post-independence. In the colonial times most people living in Argentina and Uruguay were balanced Mestizos not much different from Mexicans.

What makes such results interesting is that they belong to a fully colonial individual, I could post many Brazilians who are 100% or near 100% European it's not difficult to find.

You can find people over 95% European in Argentina, Uruguay and Cuba, but most of them come from recent migrations.

[Duffmannn]

I've always said that, Brazil is the only Latin American country with near full or even full European colonial individuals.

Well, taking into account the massive portuguese migration to Brazil in the XVIII that´s not difficult, most colonials barely stayed 1-2 generations before the independance.

Chile has also abundant pure colonials.

[Duffmannn]

She is 95 years old, she is probably a great grandmother by now, probably her grandsons and great grandsons are already mixed. Unless she kept her "elite" status and wanted to mantain the blood intact.

I wonder if some of these "elite" families are not a bit inbred, assuming that the vast majority of Portuguese colonials mixed with africans and natives, in order to mantain and keep the European blood pure or relatively pure they would have to select just a few families who they could breed with.

In Colombia, where there´s a good number of white colonials (+85% euro), but there are scarce pure ones (+95%), the process of making the "criollos" was basically miscegenation superposing miscegenation: basically new arrivals of spanish men mixed with the previously yet mixed colombian women, the process is 1st generation: mestizo offspring, 2nd generation: offspring castizo, 3rd generation: offspring criollo, and a further 4rd mixing would create a pure white.

This process is specially strong in Medellin-Antioquia, where there was barely post-colonial migration and has a good amount of whites.

This also happened post-independance in Argentina-Uruguay, where there was also migration of women, but the proportion was 3-4 men for each woman.

[Duffmannn]

Most white Brazilians from the traditional elite are not racist, but classicist, they would have no problem mating with rich Japanese, mulatos(as), castizo(as)...
Real purity here is reduced to poor colonos from the countryside.
It's like when people on the Internet say that white Latinos, because of their minority status, are more racialist regarding relationships when compared their American counterparts... seriously, I don't buy it, race mixing between whites and non-whites is more common here, and I'm talking about current times, not colonial ones.

That´s the case in Brazil, also in countries with bigger whites populations as Argentina, Uruguay and a lesser extent Cuba (there was more segregation here), even in Venezuela where the european migration is recent, but in countries with long-time and reduced (elite only) white populations, as Mexico, Dominican Republic, Central American republics, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile or Bolivia, the miscegenation between whites and non-whites is basically 0, they could mix with castizos or octoroons as much.

[Adamastor]

That´s the case in Brazil, also in countries with bigger whites populations as Argentina, Uruguay and a lesser extent Cuba (there was more segregation here), even in Venezuela where the european migration is recent, but in countries with long-time and reduced (elite only) white populations, as Mexico, Dominican Republic, Central American republics, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile or Bolivia, the miscegenation between whites and non-whites is basically 0, they could mix with castizos or octoroons as much.

That's my perception as well.

White-non-White admixtures are only common in Latin American countries with substantial white populations (Cuba, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay).

The ones with only small white elites (like most of the others) barely have admixture happening nowadays.

[Duffmannn]

She has more admixture, but not by a lot. Her mother is from Bahia that's why the girl has a bit more admixture, but the mother is a white baiana - 85% Portuguese, 7% Amerindian and 7% SSA (and she looks very white, tall and with blue eyes).

A big portion of the white upper middle class in Brazil is highly endogamous from a phenotypical point of view. That's why even if some have small admixture most individuals tested consistently score above 85% European.

Two days ago I met in Vienna a white baiana, also was blonde during young years but now has darkened, and she was full white.

Obviously she is the descendand of portuguese and galician recent inmigrants, and she married a sicilian man (his family didn´t had migrated to Brazil, he was working there and had italian citizenship) and came to live to Europe.

I have also known white colonials (resemble full white) from Fortaleza.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Two days ago I met in Vienna a white baiana, also was blonde during young years but now has darkened, and she was full white.

Obviously she is the descendand of portuguese and galician recent inmigrants, and she married a sicilian man (his family didn´t had migrated to Brazil, he was working there and had italian citizenship) and came to live to Europe.

I have also known white colonials (resemble full white) from Fortaleza.

Fortaleza is definitely a city with a big white minority, its very substantial among middle and upper classes. But some poors can be white too.
Like some users said before about the inbreed, its reality, white families here have a long story of inbreed between cousins before 1950 when they lived in small family villages in rural parts of Ceará semiarid where everybody was part of the same family.
About the miscigenation, its pretty significant among whites here, there are many white-white couples and many white-pardo too.

[Lucas]

About the miscigenation, its pretty significant among whites here, there are many white-white couples and many white-pardo too.

What is the pattern of such mixture in Brazil? More often white man and mixed woman or the opposite?

BTW interesting thread.

[Adamastor]

What is the pattern of such mixture in Brazil? More often white man and mixed woman or the opposite?

BTW interesting thread.

Depends on the type of mixing. Many times the ''white-pardo'' couples differ mostly superficially (i.e. phenotypically) and not genetically. You can have some people scoring more than 80% European and looking pardo and someone 70% European who look white. It's difficult to create a general pattern like the ones of USA because Brazil is much more mixed than USA.

Usually the Brazilian whites are less European on average than white Americans, but mixed people in Brazil are much more European than African-Americans or Hispanics in USA.

According to genetic studies average Brazilian pardo (roughly 43% of the population) is in between 65-70% European, average ''white'' (~46-47% of the population) Brazilian is around 88% European. There's some overlap between the two categories, they are not as strict as in other countries.

Phenotype can be largely random with such numbers.

[Black Panther]

In the US mixing between whites and Negroes was basically illegal up until the 1960s. On the other hand, didn't Brazil use to promote racial dilution of blacks and mulattoes as a way of getting rid of them gradually? I may be wrong of course, pardon my possible ignorance.

Yes. It was the greatest attempt of racial genocide in the 20th century.

[Erronkari]

Argentina, Uruguay?
Interestingly an Injun mixed in somewhere down the line xD

There are around 30/35% of Argentines +95% Euro and 45% of uruguayans in the same category.
But all of them have predominantly recent European ancestry in both cases.
It's almost impossible find a +90% by 100% colonial stock.
May be a single case could exist but It's something extremely rare in individuals of pure colonial stock.
The Río de la Plata Vice-royalty wasn't one of the most important area in colonial times, so the spanish crown didn't send too much people as Nueva España Vice-royalty.
And in times of the independence the bulk of the population was mestiza/Harniza.
Of course they were people +90% Euro but practically all of them were part of the élite (around 5% of the population or even less).

[Leto]

There are around 30/35% of Argentines +95% Euro and 45% of uruguayans in the same category.
But all of them have predominantly recent European ancestry in both cases.
It's almost impossible find a +90% by 100% colonial stock.
May be a single case could exist but It's something extremely rare in individuals of pure colonial stock.
The Río de la Plata Vice-royalty wasn't one of the most important area in colonial times, so the spanish crown didn't send too much people as Nueva España Vice-royalty.
And in times of the independence the bulk of the population was mestiza/Harniza.
Of course they were people +90% Euro but practically all of them were part of the élite (around 5% of the population or even less).
Do you mean 30-35% of the entire population? Not only among the colonials? So even most of the Italian descendants are part non-white nowadays, aren't they?

[Erronkari]

Do you mean 30-35% of the entire population? Not only among the colonials? So even most of the Italian descendants are part non-white nowadays, aren't they?

20/25% of the whole population has a little admix, yes.
And around 30/35% of the population is +95%.
Indeed in the Central area of the country It's practically impossible to find any single inhabitant who is 100% colonial although they have roots in other further regions (especially north and northwest).
And that's not bad, because thanks a lot of immigrants mixed with colonials although the population has less 100% Euro genetically talking, the % of clearly mestizos is lesser today, because more than 60/65% of the population is +80% Euro at least.
It's a lot for a latinamerican country.
Keep in mind also that 30/35% of the population are in the same condition to boers/africakers from South África or afrikaners or german namibians, the only difference is that 1 to 5% non euro is not SSA but amerindian.

Buenos Aires
https://i.imgur.com/rzf3q1z.png

The whole country
https://i.imgur.com/yvHlsoU.png

[Adamastor]

I wouldn't say Brazil is the only latin american country where 80% european colonials exist some countries are just more prevelent then others even in Mexico for example my whole family are from the North east and most of them are 80% or more and 0% recent european ancestry.

LOL

''Reyzuh'' attacked my thread with one of his socks. Writing style is exactly the same, unless all Mexicans living in USA are illiterate in English.

[Token]

LOL

''Reyzuh'' attacked my thread with one of his socks. Writing style is exactly the same, unless all Mexicans living in USA are illiterate in English.

This guy is still dreaming about being castizo.

[Adamastor]

This guy is still dreaming about being castizo.

Yeah, even some Mexicans with recent European ancestry don't reach Castizo range (let alone being 80% Euro...) and the guy thought he would be castizo being an average mestizo with Brazilian pardo phenotype.

I matched with some Italo-Mexicans in 23andme, MyHeritage and FTDNA, all of them are around 75-80% European. Keep in mind that these are people with recent Italian ancestors, so you can imagine how the average is for Mexicans without recent European ancestry. I have their results + family trees.

[Carlito's Way]

Yeah, even some Mexicans with recent European ancestry don't reach Castizo range (let alone being 80% Euro...) and the guy thought he would be castizo being an average mestizo with Brazilian pardo phenotype.

I matched with some Italo-Mexicans in 23andme, MyHeritage and FTDNA, all of them are around 75-80% European. Keep in mind that these are people with recent Italian ancestors, so you can imagine how the average is for Mexicans without recent European ancestry. I have their results + family trees.

I have many results on 23andMe with colonial mexicans who are over 90% European, also GedMatch
the hell you talking about? lol

Just stop being mad that even though many areas in Mexico are 100% colonial with hardly any recent European immigrants, not to mention that Mexico didn't get very many Europeans to settle in unlike in Brazil, we still have many Mexicans over 90% European who are colonial

I also doubt you match with Italo-Mexicans on 23andMe, since 23andMe doesn't ship to Mexico and it is very rare for them to move to the USA, what you are matching are half Mexicans and half Italians who live in the USA
MyHeritage is the same shit. especially since the Italian can come from the Iberian

stop being an idiot already



I dont trust your so called colonials, your people have to be ELITE to be this european and of "colonial" background while my people are from the rural lower classes LOL

[Adamastor]

I have many results on 23andMe with colonial mexicans who are over 90% European, also GedMatch
the hell you talking about? lol

Just stop being mad that even though many areas in Mexico are 100% colonial with hardly any recent European immigrants, not to mention that Mexico didn't get very many Europeans to settle in unlike in Brazil, we still have many Mexicans over 90% European who are colonial

I also doubt you match with Italo-Mexicans on 23andMe, since 23andMe doesn't ship to Mexico and it is very rare for them to move to the USA, what you are matching are half Mexicans and half Italians who live in the USA
MyHeritage is the same shit. especially since the Italian can come from the Iberian

stop being an idiot already



I dont trust your so called colonials, your people have to be ELITE to be this european and of "colonial" background while my people are from the rural lower classes LOL

Let's be honest: most colonial mexicans are Indo-Mestizos and balanced Mestizos while in Brazil we have colonial areas full of people near 90%+ European. Of course average colonial Brazilian isn't 90-100% European, but there are much more cases here than in Mexico since Brazil received 10x more Portuguese than Mexico received Spaniards and the immigration happened mostly in the 18th and early 19th (1700-1800) century while in Mexico most Spaniards moved there in the 1500-1600 centuries. I posted plenty of colonial Brazilian results.

Also, most of these Mexicans I'm matching have full family trees, I can tell you the surnames: [EDITED]
They seem to be part Italian and part colonial Mexican and they live in Mexico, so there's no way they are Mexican-American and Italian mixes.

Many of them are Mexicans with 1/4 or 1/2 Northern Italian ancestry. The Italian can come from the Iberian but the Iberian also can come from the Italian in the case of Northern Italians (some Northern Italians score more Iberian than Italian on MyHeritage) and they have family trees with many relatives up to great-great grandparents.

EDIT: I removed their surnames.

[Carlito's Way]

Let's be honest: most colonial mexicans are Indo-Mestizos and balanced Mestizos while in Brazil we have colonial areas full of people near 90%+ European.

Not true, most of Mexico is very colonial to begin with unless you can prove me that Mexico received a large number of European immigrants which you will not find a single source of that. Mexico is VERY colonial and much more than Brazil, now if you want to debunk me then start by posting the Europeans that settled in both nations

Mexico despite never attracting large numbers of Europeans, we still have areas where people are pred Euro-mestizo




Of course average colonial Brazilian isn't 90-100% European, but there are much more cases here than in Mexico since Brazil received 10x more Portuguese than Mexico received Spaniards and the immigration happened mostly in the 18th and early 19th (1700-1800) century while in Mexico most Spaniards moved there in the 1500-1600 centuries. I posted plenty of colonial Brazilian results.

You haven't proved they are colonial to begin with, considering the fact that you go by their ancestry being Iberian primerly lol that is not a real source
Portuguese kept immigrating in large numbers to your fucking country after the independence
that never happened in Mexico, Spaniards didn't even make 1% of the immigrants in the country


The problem here is that you are retarded and clueless about Mexican history
Maybe you should ask Argento to pass you all the census of immigrants in Latin America by number and percentages
Good luck finding Mexico with at least 1%, good luck amigo


and even with Mexico being one of the most colonial country in Latin America, it is still more European than other colonials that received little Europeans similar to Mexico




Also, most of these Mexicans I'm matching have full family trees, I can tell you the surnames: [EDITED]
They seem to be part Italian and part colonial Mexican and they live in Mexico, so there's no way they are Mexican-American and Italian mixes.

Many of them are Mexicans with 1/4 or 1/2 Northern Italian ancestry. The Italian can come from the Iberian but the Iberian also can come from the Italian in the case of Northern Italians (some Northern Italians score more Iberian than Italian on MyHeritage) and they have family trees with many relatives up to great-great grandparents.

EDIT: I removed their surnames.


What part of Mexico are they coming from? That will tell me if you are lying very quickly lol
and yes post the last names because I will easily figure out if they are really "Italomexicans"


also your examples mean nothing, many half whites and half Mexicans in the USA are over 80% European, many results on YouTube and Reddit for you to check out for yourself

[Carlito's Way]

LOL @ Adamastor thinking Mexico isn't of majority colonial stock lmaooooooooooooooo
poor guy, I think he thought the whitest areas of Mexico was due to recent Spanish immigrants LMAOOO
all are from colonial Iberian ancestry, amigo


recheck that history


all colonial and an immigrant to the USA, of poor rural background from Jalisco

Jalostotitlán, Jalisco
https://i.imgur.com/DCjlEXf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TrTy5z9.png





an immigrant who now lives in Texas

Monterrey, Nuevo Leon
https://i.imgur.com/52jT2r9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QADU3hx.png

[Latinus]

LOL @ Adamastor thinking Mexico isn't of majority colonial stock lmaooooooooooooooo
poor guy, I think he thought the whitest areas of Mexico was due to recent Spanish immigrants LMAOOO
all are from colonial Iberian ancestry, amigo


recheck that history


all colonial and an immigrant to the USA, of poor rural background from Jalisco

Jalostotitlán, Jalisco
https://i.imgur.com/DCjlEXf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TrTy5z9.png





an immigrant who now lives in Texas

Monterrey, Nuevo Leon
https://i.imgur.com/52jT2r9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QADU3hx.png

The woman looks like a typical Brazilian lady from the traditional elite, but you can also find a good chunck of people with her phenotype in the working class.

[HelloGuys]

Both. Mexico received fewer Spaniards than Brazil received Portuguese in the colonial times and post-independence European immigration in Brazil was also much bigger than in Mexico.

Most historians estimate the number of Spaniards immigrated in all of the Hispanic America to have been around 300.000-400.000 from 16th century to the independence in the 19th century. Only in the 18th century Brazil received 800.000 Portuguese colonists. The colonial European input in Brazil is 5x or 6x bigger than in the rest of Latin America.

This is an investigation I did; the total of Europeans arrived in Mexico from 1850 to 2017; I don't know how many spaniards arrived in colonial times; maybe we had 700,000 to almost 1 million of europeans since the "Conquista" to modern days

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281336-Llegada-de-europeos-a-M%E9xico-desde-1850-hasta-2017

*Results: 523,772 Europeos en 167 años (Sin contar el Periodo Colonial)

I am not saying that we have a lot of europeans almost like Argentina or Brazil (these thoughts would be dumbs) I just try to say that we had and have many criollos, maybe more than people thinks

[Adamastor]

You haven't proved they are colonial to begin with, considering the fact that you go by their ancestry being Iberian primerly lol that is not a real source


No, I go by their family trees, most people I post belong to Brazilian genealogy forums and groups. I don't choose random samples in GEDmatch like some forum members here do.


Portuguese kept immigrating in large numbers to your fucking country after the independence

This is true, but we have many areas that received scarce 19th century immigration and are more European than all colonial regions of Latin America. The reason is that:

https://journals.openedition.org/nuevomundo/63251

You can download the PDF, it shows that in the colonial period Brazil received almost 3x more Iberian settlers than all Hispanic American countries combined. ~200.000-300.000 in Hispanic America vs ~800.000 in Brazil (some academic sources state 1 million).

So finding very Euro Brazilians with pure colonial stock is more common than elsewhere in Latin America. I've posted people with genealogy in Brazil for the last 200-300 years that are approaching 99% European.



What part of Mexico are they coming from? That will tell me if you are lying very quickly lol

Veracruz.

[Duffmannn]

Doble

[Duffmannn]

You just have to look on facebook to know that white mexicans are rare.

I did the experiment of searching for the official facebook page of villages certain places where european colonies (of italian, german...) origin were founded in some latin american countries. In the case of Mexico I did this with some settlements of Veracruz where supposedly there were italian colonies, or those spanish villages of Altos de Jalisco. You just have to look in one publication, between the people that comments and makes like, someone with a certain surname, look on his profile, and then you look in his friends other person with italian, german... surname, so many times.

The result was dissapointing, there were barely types passing in Italy or Spain, and I doubt that the scarce ones that do it are really genetically italian or spanish, rather than castizos or harnizos who get to have that look by genetical lottery (as Hello Guys).

While in Brazil the european types are, by a far and huge margin, much more common. But here the miscegenation is strong today, in some generations will happen the same than in Mexico, the brown higher rates and the miscegenation of the rural whites will produce full-brown areas, while the each time less full-whites will be constricted to certain urban areas where they are the elite (also suffering an slower miscegenation and loosing of european "purity" due to miscegenation)

[Adamastor]

You just have to look on facebook to know that white mexicans are rare.

I did the experiment of searching for the official facebook page of villages certain places where european colonies (of italian, german...) origin were founded in some latin american countries. In the case of Mexico I did this with some settlements of Veracruz where supposedly there were italian colonies, or those spanish villages of Altos de Jalisco. You just have to look in one publication, between the people that comments and makes like, someone with a certain surname, look on his profile, and then you look in his friends other person with italian, german... surname, so many times.

The result was dissapointing, there were barely types passing in Italy or Spain, and I doubt that the scarce ones that do it are really genetically italian or spanish, rather than castizos or harnizos who get to have that look by genetical lottery (as Hello Guys).

While in Brazil the european types are, by a far and huge margin, much more common. But here the miscegenation is strong today, in some generations will happen the same than in Mexico, the brown higher rates and the miscegenation of the rural whites will produce full-brown areas, while the each time less full-whites will be constricted to certain urban areas where they are the elite (also suffering an slower miscegenation and loosing of european "purity" due to miscegenation)

I agree, the future of all New World countries, including USA, is to be mostly brown in some generations. In 30-40 years from now USA will probably reach Brazilian levels of admixture and Brazil will be like Colombia, with full or near full whites being rare. In 100 years USA will be like Colombia and Brazil will be like Mexico or Dominican Republic.

[Lousianaboy]

Yeah, she's basically a Portuguese with very minor Amerindian admixture.

Estimating the exact quantity of Amerindian or SSA through GEDmatch in people who are above 85% European is hard because some Europeans can score these components in minor amounts (1-4% depending on the individual) as well.

This woman is likely in between 96-98% Portuguese.
she is 5 % amerindian is strong amerindian

[Adamastor]

she is 5 % amerindian is strong amerindian

GEDmatch:
6 Amerindian 3.01

And part of it in GEDmatch may be noise. MyHeritage Mesoamerican component is based on Mestizos. It's a known fact in the genetics community. Even people with no Latin American origins score MesoAmerican there for that reason.

[Leto]

In 30-40 years from now USA will probably reach Brazilian levels of admixture and Brazil will be like Colombia, with full or near full whites being rare. In 100 years USA will be like Colombia and Brazil will be like Mexico or Dominican Republic.
Do you think Colombia is less European than Northern and Northeastern parts of Brazil?

[Duffmannn]

I agree, the future of all New World countries, including USA, is to be mostly brown in some generations. In 30-40 years from now USA will probably reach Brazilian levels of admixture and Brazil will be like Colombia, with full or near full whites being rare. In 100 years USA will be like Colombia and Brazil will be like Mexico or Dominican Republic.

Not only New World countries, basically all the white countries in the world even in Europe. Only Eastern Europe will stay european, but diminishing so much its population due to low birthrates. And even in some eastern countries there´s a gypsy demographic boom.

The situation in countries like the United Kingdom, France or Belgium is not much better than in the USA, the only exception is that the USA had a 10% of non-white natives (the blacks). Without that beginning plus, the situation would be similar.

Some western countries or regions (most of Spain and Portugal, most of Italy, Eastern Germany, Austria, Wales, Ireland, Scotland) still can be saved, but becoming a regional minority respect the new brown majority (exactly as happens today in Brazil or Argentina)

Paradoxically one country with "good" demographical perspectives is Uruguay, that is (or will be very very soon) whiter than some european countries, and their browns are actually castizos, with no foreign inmigration.

Other countries as New Zealand and Australia at least are being substituted by east asians, it´s not that bad.

[Adamastor]

Do you think Colombia is less European than Northern and Northeastern parts of Brazil?

Probably a similar range. All of Brazil, apart from some isolated communities in the countryside, will be like Northeast Brazil in 50 years. The number of people identifying as white and with 90%+ European admixture is decreasing considerably as the years pass by. Brazil will be like Dominican Republic/Mexico in 100 years.

[Leto]

Probably a similar range. All of Brazil, apart from some isolated communities in the countryside, will be like Northeast Brazil in 50 years. The number of people identifying as white and with 90%+ European admixture is decreasing considerably as the years pass by. Brazil will be like Dominican Republic/Mexico in 100 years.
Mexico and the DR are less than 50% European on average, as far as I know. More like 40-45%.

[Smeagol]

Some western countries or regions (most of Spain and Portugal, most of Italy, Eastern Germany, Austria, Wales, Ireland, Scotland) still can be saved

Actually all western countries could be saved easily if their leaders had any interest in doing so. They would simply have to treat the third worlders as the invaders that they are rather than citizens with rights.

[Adamastor]

Mexico and the DR are less than 50% European on average, as far as I know. More like 40-45%.

Yep, likely something in between 35-45% for Mexico and 45-50% for Dominican Republic. Brazil is already tending to 65% rather than 70-75% as it was in the past. In 100 years Brazil will be 50% European on average, with higher SSA and Amerindian components. Something like 50% European, 35% SSA, 15% Amerindian.


In 1950 Brazil had at least 60% of ''whites'' (strict whites, 90%+ European), nowadays it's like 43% and many self-identified are less than 90% European (average being 85-88% European). So even the whites are becoming less Euro. In the future we will be like Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic, places where even people in 65-70% European range self-identify as white.

[Token]

Yep, likely something in between 35-45% for Mexico and 45-50% for Dominican Republic. Brazil is already tending to 65% rather than 70-75% as it was in the past. In 100 years Brazil will be 50% European on average, with higher SSA and Amerindian components. Something like 50% European, 35% SSA, 15% Amerindian.


In 1950 Brazil had at least 60% of ''whites'' (strict whites, 90%+ European), nowadays it's like 43% and many self-identified are less than 90% European (average being 85-88% European). So even the whites are becoming less Euro. In the future we will be like Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic, places where even people in 65-70% European range self-identify as white.

I doubt Brazilians were ever majoritarily 90%+ European. I think we shouldn't underestimate the impact class stratification had in Brazilian genetic substructure. People who DNA test are generally at the top of the social pyramid and that is why Brazil comes out as much European or even more than Argentina in collections of GEDmatch kits.

This is probably one of the biggest studies ever done in Brazil (+15000 samples). In São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro(the most sampled regions), whites are firmly around 80% European. For some reason, whites from most other regions here are more European, including white northeasterners, averaging 85% European. Only pardos from Vitória and São Paulo are over 60% European on average. Very few people among the whites are over 90% European. Most people sampled had high educational levels.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?290252-NEW-Brazilian-study-2019-with-15-105-Sample
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?size=large&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0216653.g001

[Adamastor]

I doubt Brazilians were ever majoritarily 90%+ European. I think we shouldn't underestimate the impact class stratification had in Brazilian genetic substructure. People who DNA test are generally at the top of the social pyramid and that is why Brazil comes out as much European or even more than Argentina in collections of GEDmatch kits.



This is very true, Brazilian samples from puntDNAL and Dodecad/MDLP are very unrepresentative, they score around 90-92% European. But I do believe Brazil was at least 60-70% ''white'' if by white we include people in the 80-100% range.

But Brazilians with heavy African and even Amerindian input aren't rare, an example just to show what I said:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 39.33
2 Atlantic 13.33
3 West_Med 11.78
4 Amerindian 9.98
5 North_Sea 8.16
6 Northeast_African 5.63
7 East_Med 2.93
8 South_Asian 2.32
9 Red_Sea 2.13
10 Baltic 1.94
11 West_Asian 1.29
12 Oceanian 1.14
13 Southeast_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite_Berber 43.55
2 Algerian 45.05
3 Tunisian 45.14
4 Moroccan 47.34
5 San 48.93
6 Mbuti_Pygmy 50.16
7 Bantu_N.E. 50.98
8 Spanish_Galicia 51.82
9 Portuguese 51.83
10 Spanish_Extremadura 51.86
11 Luhya 52.14
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 52.23
13 Spanish_Murcia 52.37
14 North_Italian 52.87
15 Spanish_Andalucia 52.87
16 Spanish_Cataluna 52.97
17 Sudanese 53
18 Tuscan 53.13
19 Romanian 53.25
20 Spanish_Cantabria 53.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 45.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 12.81
2 54% Spanish_Extremadura + 46% Bantu_S.E. @ 12.82
3 54.7% Portuguese + 45.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 12.9
4 54.4% Spanish_Murcia + 45.6% Bantu_S.W. @ 12.91
5 53.8% Spanish_Murcia + 46.2% Bantu_S.E. @ 12.92
6 54% Portuguese + 46% Bantu_S.E. @ 12.94
7 53.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 46.7% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.04
8 54.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 45.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.05
9 53.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 46.2% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.08
10 54% Spanish_Cantabria + 46% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.08
11 55.8% Portuguese + 44.2% Mandenka @ 13.1
12 55.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 44.2% Mandenka @ 13.11
13 54.7% Spanish_Galicia + 45.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.11
14 53.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 46.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.12
15 54.1% Spanish_Galicia + 45.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.12
16 54.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 45.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.13
17 53.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 46.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.15
18 53.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 46.1% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.16
19 53.3% Spanish_Valencia + 46.7% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.17
20 55.5% Spanish_Murcia + 44.5% Mandenka @ 13.18


I also have in my possession a kit of a Brazilian from Pernambuco who approach balanced Mestizo range, similar to Reyzuh even.

[Duffmannn]

Actually all western countries could be saved easily if their leaders had any interest in doing so. They would simply have to treat the third worlders as the invaders that they are rather than citizens with rights.

That´s not gonna happen in a short term.

This is the movie presented in the spanish cinemas this weekend:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxQ7Y3mgfec


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJbkVEkAMM

[Duffmannn]

also have in my possession a kit of a Brazilian from Pernambuco who approach balanced Mestizo range, similar to Reyzuh even.

I have friends from Fortaleza, and between middle-high university people, they tend to have more amerindian than black. Full-white lookin are rare.

Many could fit phenotypically as mestizo or harnizo.

[Adamastor]

I have friends from Fortaleza, and between middle-high university people, they tend to have more amerindian than black. Full-white lookin are rare.

Many could fit phenotypically as mestizo or harnizo.

Ceará state and parts of inland Northeast have low African contribution and lots of Amerindian. It seems there is also more Amerindian than SSA in some parts of South and São Paulo state. I have a kit of a guy from Curitiba that is 75% European, 25% Amerindian.

[Duffmannn]

Ceará state and parts of inland Northeast have low African contribution and lots of Amerindian. It seems there is also more Amerindian than SSA in some parts of South and São Paulo state. I have a kit of a guy from Curitiba that is 75% European, 25% Amerindian.

I have seen that boy.

He seems high-middle class mexican.

But paradoxically, despite being whiter, in Mexico he would be consideared mixed, and in Brazil white.

That is something common in countries with high SSA imput, castizos are considered white (Brazil, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico)

[Carlito's Way]

The woman looks like a typical Brazilian lady from the traditional elite, but you can also find a good chunck of people with her phenotype in the working class.

her look is common in Southern Texas because most of the earlier immigrants from there came from Northeastern Mexico (Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon), the more recent wave were coming from San Luis Potosi which is more mestizo (balance mestizo to be exact)

FaeriePrincess (not sure if you remember that user, she was Palestinian and anglo american), well she said stated that many Mexicans in San Antonio looked Southern European

[Carlito's Way]

No, I go by their family trees, most people I post belong to Brazilian genealogy forums and groups. I don't choose random samples in GEDmatch like some forum members here do.

I really doubt they dont have a Portuguese ancestor since the late 1700's, first of all what the fuck is colonial to you?
Most Mexicans including the very European ones with colonial ancestry do not have a recent European ancestry since the late 1700's, do you understand that now?

Again, I do not know what you consider colonial but I am 100% sure they are not more colonial than Mexicans, and that is a FACT




This is true, but we have many areas that received scarce 19th century immigration and are more European than all colonial regions of Latin America. The reason is that:

https://journals.openedition.org/nuevomundo/63251

You can download the PDF, it shows that in the colonial period Brazil received almost 3x more Iberian settlers than all Hispanic American countries combined. ~200.000-300.000 in Hispanic America vs ~800.000 in Brazil (some academic sources state 1 million).

So finding very Euro Brazilians with pure colonial stock is more common than elsewhere in Latin America. I've posted people with genealogy in Brazil for the last 200-300 years that are approaching 99% European.


Your "colonials" are tainted with recent Euro ancestors
show me their genealogy dating back to 2019-1700's lol





Veracruz.

pass me their genealogy and results through PM

[Adamastor]

I really doubt they dont have a Portuguese ancestor since the late 1700's, first of all what the fuck is colonial to you?


If you don't count 1700 as colonial then very few Brazilians, even pardos and blacks, are colonials. Even most blacks who live in Brazil now are mostly a product of early 19th century slave trade.


pass me their genealogy and results through PM

Sure.

[TSR3226]

Some results you can easy find in Youtube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKMDZg6n5fs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUNiKZMJ8FU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWONnjckhdc