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Jana

10-23-2019, 10:48 AM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Rasskazov_%2804.2019%29.jpg
https://e0.365dm.com/18/10/768x432/skysports-ryan-kent-nikolai_4464851.jpg?20181025202337
http://mvasportsmanagement.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Nikolay_Rasskazov.jpg
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https://c8.alamy.com/comp/WGJAE6/moscow-russia-01st-sep-2019-moscow-russia-september-1-2019-zenit-st-petersburgs-yuri-zhirkov-l-and-spartak-moscows-nikolai-rasskazov-in-their-20192020-russian-premier-league-round-8-football-match-at-otkritie-arena-sergei-bobylevtass-credit-itar-tass-news-agencyalamy-live-news-WGJAE6.jpg
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/socc-previews-prod/big/n2018/181213JMF8618.jpg

21993

10-23-2019, 10:55 AM

Baltid + Corded Nordid

Bakha

10-23-2019, 11:05 AM

Has proper skull shape but bad/dull facial features
East nordid - baltid

Teroth

10-23-2019, 12:16 PM

East Europid range. Neo-Danubian with tendencies towards to East Baltic

Jana

10-23-2019, 04:32 PM

Look like a Slavic-Finnic hybrid. Wouldn't pass very well outside of Russia.

Sche

10-23-2019, 04:42 PM

Look like a Slavic-Finnic hybrid. Wouldn't pass very well outside of Russia.
And within Russia will not pass. I would think that this is a Latvian.
By the way, there are no Slavic-Finnish hybrids in the east. Genetically, Finns and Slavs were originally the same thing. Hybridization of the Slavs took place in the southwest in the zone of southern Europe. I think that it was this Latvian type of guy who was originally the basis of the Slavs, while the Eastern Slavs did not mix with migrants from the West.

Jana

10-23-2019, 05:35 PM

And within Russia will not pass. I would think that this is a Latvian.
By the way, there are no Slavic-Finnish hybrids in the east. Genetically, Finns and Slavs were originally the same thing. Hybridization of the Slavs took place in the southwest in the zone of southern Europe. I think that it was this Latvian type of guy who was originally the basis of the Slavs, while the Eastern Slavs did not mix with migrants from the West.

Yea right. Slavs and Finns same thing. Keep telling yourself that xD

Kamal900

10-23-2019, 05:38 PM

His whiteness is hurting my eyes. He kinda looks Finnic influenced to me. Is he a Northern Russian?

Sche

10-23-2019, 06:23 PM

His whiteness is hurting my eyes. He kinda looks Finnic influenced to me. Is he a Northern Russian?
Rasskazov Nikolai, who was born in the south of Russia - in the south of the Tula region, in the city of Efremov, which is not far east of the Orel region. Where there has never been a single Finno-Ugric. Original Baltic Slavic land. I am once again convinced that for dinariсs the original Slavic phenotype is alien.

Jana

10-23-2019, 07:27 PM

Rasskazov Nikolai, who was born in the south of Russia - in the south of the Tula region, in the city of Efremov, which is not far east of the Orel region. Where there has never been a single Finno-Ugric. Original Baltic Slavic land. I am once again convinced that for dinariсs the original Slavic phenotype is alien.

I am Nordic, which you most likely aren't. He isn't purely Slavic looking and he would be a foreign face for Poland or even Ukraine. Just deal with it. :)
Place of birth often has nothing to do with origin. I have no ancestry from region where I was born.

Teroth

10-23-2019, 07:32 PM

I am Nordic, which you most likely aren't. He isn't purely Slavic looking and he would be a foreign face for Poland or even Ukraine. Just deal with it. :)

He could pass in Poland, looks similar to me

Dominator

10-23-2019, 07:36 PM

East Nordid

There is nothing Finno-Ugric in him look for me.

Teroth

10-23-2019, 07:39 PM

This guy doesn't look nordic at all:picard2:

magicalM

10-23-2019, 07:39 PM

nordid

Sche

10-23-2019, 07:52 PM

I am Nordic, which you most likely aren't. He isn't purely Slavic looking and he would be a foreign face for Poland or even Ukraine. Just deal with it. :)
Place of birth often has nothing to do with origin. I have no ancestry from region where I was born.
I tremble with laughter. I saw your picture. You are a pontid + dinaric. Well, even let you be Nordic. All this is far from the original Slavs who appeared in eastern Europe on the basis of Corded Ware.
I’m a Russian Mongoloid. Read how they classify me on TA. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?303034-Classify-me-guess-my-nationality
I posted my photo until people knew my nationality. How Russian was recognized by after the photo of my wife. And before that they thought that the Mongoloid. :D

Bakha

10-23-2019, 07:52 PM

His whiteness is hurting my eyes. He kinda looks Finnic influenced to me. Is he a Northern Russian?
Does your relative whiteness for brown rat looking palis hurts their eyes too?

michal3141

10-23-2019, 07:56 PM

Textbook NEUP. I agree with Feiichy. He looks Finnish to me. Some Russians could look like him.
In Poland he would be very atypical (this exact combination of features and pigmentation).

Kamal900

10-23-2019, 07:57 PM

Does your relative whiteness for brown rat looking palis hurts their eyes too?

At least I'm not a mongrel like you :)

Bakha

10-23-2019, 07:58 PM

At least I'm not a mongrel like you :)
Pfffff
boring

archangel

10-23-2019, 07:59 PM

East Baltic/Borreby,
His skull is not long enough to be considered Nordid

michal3141

10-23-2019, 08:03 PM

He could pass in Poland, looks similar to me

I agree he could pass but his exact type is very rare in Poland.

Teroth

10-23-2019, 08:05 PM

East Baltic/Borreby,
His skull is not long enough to be considered Nordid

+1

Sche

10-23-2019, 08:06 PM

Textbook NEUP. I agree with Feiichy. He looks Finnish to me. Some Russians could look like him.
In Poland he would be very atypical (this exact combination of features and pigmentation).
I would agree with you. If this footballer would be from the north of Russia. But he was born in the south of Russia (south of the Tula region) in the steppe, where there were never Finno-Ugric peoples. How do you explain this?
PS

Teroth

10-23-2019, 08:10 PM

Looks like he has distant ancestors from northern area, or something

michal3141

10-23-2019, 08:14 PM

I would agree with you. If this footballer would be from the north of Russia. But he was born in the south of Russia (south of the Tula region) in the steppe, where there were never Finno-Ugric peoples. How do you explain this?
PS

He has strong Balto-Ladogan influence and is very depigmented.
He just looks very NE-European to me. Some Balto-Slavs could look like him of course.
For example, my brother is quite similar but slightly darker and more dinarcized I think.

Dominator

10-23-2019, 08:18 PM

I would agree with you. If this footballer would be from the north of Russia. But he was born in the south of Russia (south of the Tula region) in the steppe, where there were never Finno-Ugric peoples. How do you explain this?
PS

Because all Russians regardless of region look very Northern. For Example .This girl is not from the North of Russia. Mother and daughter in the photos from the North of Russia. They look very North.
P.S Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia is predominantly dark pigmented.
https://imgur.com/a/VFnqFdw

Jana

10-23-2019, 08:28 PM

I tremble with laughter. I saw your picture. You are a pontid + dinaric. Well, even let you be Nordic. All this is far from the original Slavs who appeared in eastern Europe on the basis of Corded Ware.
I’m a Russian Mongoloid. Read how they classify me on TA. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?303034-Classify-me-guess-my-nationality
I posted my photo until people knew my nationality. How Russian was recognized by after the photo of my wife. And before that they thought that the Mongoloid. :D

Please, don't make me laugh. This is me.

...

Pontid + Dinaric ? Why don't you go for Sudanid instead ? xD
I can't see your picture, but there is extremely small chance you look more Nordic and Aryan than I do.

Jana

10-23-2019, 08:31 PM

Jana

10-23-2019, 08:32 PM

He could pass in Poland, looks similar to me

How typical are you ?

Teroth

10-23-2019, 08:56 PM

How typical are you ?

Many people said I look strange (whatever it means) and compared me to Russians mostly

Jana

10-23-2019, 09:00 PM

Many people said I look strange (whatever it means) and compared me to Russians mostly

Yes, not suprising. I don't think I would have guessed you as Pole.

Sche

10-23-2019, 09:16 PM

Please, don't make me laugh. This is me.
Pontid + Dinaric ? Why don't you go for Sudanid instead ? xD
I can't see your picture, but there is extremely small chance you look more Nordic and Aryan than I do.
I look in Russian. I do not aspire to be a Scandinavian, like some southern Slavs. The fact is that although people did not know that I was Russian, they classified me as a Danes, Swedes, Germans ... It would be the same with this football player if people did not know that he was from Russia, and you could not to apply for such a pseudoscientific phenotype as Ladogan. I am sure that this footballer will be a Swedish or Latvian Nordid if people did not know that he was from Russia. Everything is quite simple for someone who successfully passed an autism test in a neighboring branch. Southern Russians do not have Finno-Ugric admixtures, and therefore their phenotypes cannot resemble any Ladogans.
The guy has a very long head and nose protrudes strongly. Not the best option for Eastern Baltida or Ladogan. Guy most likely nordid
https://i.ibb.co/cgjx6Z7/p1.jpg

Laag

10-23-2019, 09:17 PM

P.S Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia is predominantly dark pigmented.

At least that's not true. The following numbers are based on several anthropological studies. Number of light eyes among Finno-Ugric populations. 7-12 on Bunak scale.

Vepsians ≈86%
Karelians ≈83%
Erzya ≈82%
Komi ≈80%
Moksha ≈65%
Komi-Permyaks ≈63%
Mari ≈60%
Udmurts ≈51%

Russians ≈66%
Ukrainians ≈61%

So, some Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia are among the light-eyed nations of Europe others on par with Russians and Ukrainians.

Jana

10-23-2019, 10:15 PM

I look in Russian. I do not aspire to be a Scandinavian, like some southern Slavs. The fact is that although people did not know that I was Russian, they classified me as a Danes, Swedes, Germans ... It would be the same with this football player if people did not know that he was from Russia, and you could not to apply for such a pseudoscientific phenotype as Ladogan. I am sure that this footballer will be a Swedish or Latvian Nordid if people did not know that he was from Russia. Everything is quite simple for someone who successfully passed an autism test in a neighboring branch. Southern Russians do not have Finno-Ugric admixtures, and therefore their phenotypes cannot resemble any Ladogans.
The guy has a very long head and nose protrudes strongly. Not the best option for Eastern Baltida or Ladogan. Guy most likely nordid
https://i.ibb.co/cgjx6Z7/p1.jpg

Are you autistic ? Nobody gives a rats ass about Scandinavians, I am native Dalmatian Croat Nordic and look nothing like a Swede. Nordics are not exclusive to them. It's a original IE phenotype.
Also nobody said he is a ''Ladogan'', I certanly did not. I posted his profile photos for exact reason to show he has Nordic influence.

However he is not Nordic. He is Balto-Nordid and typical NE European. And he has extremely Russian face. I would guess him as Russian and nothing else.
He does not look southern Russian because if he did he would be able to be typical in Poland for example, but he is not.

Therefore his look isn't pure Slavic. Pure Slav will look equally native in Poland, Ukraine and Belarus/West Russia but this guy look native only in Russia.
Idk what is your problem with that exactly. Are you a nazi ?

We mixed with Illyrians, you mixed with Finnics. Unless you are SW Russian, you are not pure Slav.

Jana

10-23-2019, 10:16 PM

At least that's not true. The following numbers are based on several anthropological studies. Number of light eyes among Finno-Ugric populations. 7-12 on Bunak scale.

Vepsians ≈86%
Karelians ≈83%
Erzya ≈82%
Komi ≈80%
Moksha ≈65%
Komi-Permyaks ≈63%
Mari ≈60%
Udmurts ≈51%

Russians ≈66%
Ukrainians ≈61%

So, some Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia are among the light-eyed nations of Europe others on par with Russians and Ukrainians.

Native Finnic and Baltic tribes of Russia were most likely blonder and more northeastern genetically than proto-Slavic immigrants from southwest.
Region where purest Slavs live is not overly blond haired.

CommonSense

10-23-2019, 10:36 PM

East Nordid + Baltid. Tbh this is the look the overwhelming majority in most places outside of Russia will associate with Russians.

East Baltic/Borreby,
His skull is not long enough to be considered Nordid

How? Baltid skulls can never be this prominent.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/nikolai-rasskazov-of-spartak-moskva-during-the-group-g-match-of-the-picture-id1073227444

Sche

10-24-2019, 12:38 AM

Are you autistic ? Nobody gives a rats ass about Scandinavians, I am native Dalmatian Croat Nordic and look nothing like a Swede. Nordics are not exclusive to them. It's a original IE phenotype.
Also nobody said he is a ''Ladogan'', I certanly did not. I posted his profile photos for exact reason to show he has Nordic influence.

However he is not Nordic. He is Balto-Nordid and typical NE European. And he has extremely Russian face. I would guess him as Russian and nothing else.
He does not look southern Russian because if he did he would be able to be typical in Poland for example, but he is not.

Therefore his look isn't pure Slavic. Pure Slav will look equally native in Poland, Ukraine and Belarus/West Russia but this guy look native only in Russia.
Idk what is your problem with that exactly. Are you a nazi ?

We mixed with Illyrians, you mixed with Finnics. Unless you are SW Russian, you are not pure Slav.
How does it come to your mind that southern Russians look like typical Ukrainians, and western Russians look like Belarusians? This is completely wrong. Both Ukrainians and Belarusians have their own specifics. They are much south even of southern Russians. Southern Russians are similar to Western Russians. And Western Russians are like Central Russians. And purebred northern Russians only occasionally have the Ural phenotype. This is so, and I am not going to think differently, because I live here and see the percentage of Ural impurity that is noticeable in the phenotype.

Our footballer was born in a provincial city in southern Russia. I do not think that the chances are good for the northern Russian to want to move to Russia’s ass. The Russians of the north go either to Siberia or to large megacities. So most likely the local soccer player is Tula. And his face is too depigmented for a Russian person. Russian living in Russia is immediately clear. And the look is far from that of a Russian person. Here is a Russian look:
https://i.ibb.co/mz99qby/image.jpg

Football player Nikolai Rasskazov has the look of this Russian Lithuanian, TV presenter, whom we see every day.
https://i.ibb.co/8cMB71w/IMG-4831.jpg

Sche

10-24-2019, 12:49 AM

Native Finnic and Baltic tribes of Russia were most likely blonder and more northeastern genetically than proto-Slavic immigrants from southwest.
Region where purest Slavs live is not overly blond haired.
Slavs in the southwest? This hypothesis is poorly substantiated and is not supported by archeology. The first Slavs were northerners. This is Kiev culture. I do not want to insult my South Slavic brothers with this fact. But in Eastern Europe no one doubts this.
https://i.ibb.co/SmQLt80/3-42.jpg

Sche

10-24-2019, 01:20 AM

I agree he could pass but his exact type is very rare in Poland.
Polish Ladogan Krakow, feel great in Poland.
https://i.ibb.co/v4cxjnd/polishgerl.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/zXLJ1qs/d8d0596bb0409d58abed6be0c7e4054f.jpg

Dominator

10-24-2019, 05:31 AM

At least that's not true. The following numbers are based on several anthropological studies. Number of light eyes among Finno-Ugric populations. 7-12 on Bunak scale.

Vepsians ≈86%
Karelians ≈83%
Erzya ≈82%
Komi ≈80%
Moksha ≈65%
Komi-Permyaks ≈63%
Mari ≈60%
Udmurts ≈51%

Russians ≈66%
Ukrainians ≈61%

So, some Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia are among the light-eyed nations of Europe others on par with Russians and Ukrainians.

I mean that Finno-Ugric from Russia doesn't look too Nordid(mostly), and a typical Russian-Finno-Ugric mix looks like Sobyanin or another sub/Mongoloid, uralid. This is a stupid stereotype that all the light-pigmented Russian descendants of the Finns, when the Finno-Ugric from Russia look pleased specefic.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Sergey_Sobyanin_official_portrait.jpg

Dominator

10-24-2019, 05:37 AM

Native Finnic and Baltic tribes of Russia were most likely blonder and more northeastern genetically than proto-Slavic immigrants from southwest.
Region where purest Slavs live is not overly blond haired.

Are they pure Slavs to you ? Or they mixed with Finns?
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4d6/XesJRuqIxSM.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4de/qbfGABGDkU0.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4e6/spZpHEb88Bs.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4ee/fRgFR-U128U.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4fe/pJkRmQdhsJo.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e50e/0qeSvXuzqz4.jpg

FinalFlash

10-24-2019, 06:25 AM

Laag

10-24-2019, 08:46 AM

I mean that Finno-Ugric from Russia doesn't look too Nordid(mostly), and a typical Russian-Finno-Ugric mix looks like Sobyanin or another sub/Mongoloid, uralid. This is a stupid stereotype that all the light-pigmented Russian descendants of the Finns, when the Finno-Ugric from Russia look pleased specefic.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Sergey_Sobyanin_official_portrait.jpg
Why should they all look like Nordics if most Europeans don't look Nordic at all?
Outside some regions in Scandinavia and England in Europe there are no countries where Nordics were present as a population. Coon stated that only in Eastern Norway, Sweden and England Nordics are present as a population.

To summarize the data on the physical anthropology of Germany it seems necessary to stress the relative absence of conventional Nordics comparable to those found in eastern Norway, in Sweden, and in England. Such Nordics may be seen almost everywhere in Germany as individuals, but nowhere as a large element in the population.

Russian anthropologist Cheboksarov wrote that Nordic element prevails only in some local groups of Germans, Russians, Erzya, Komi.

https://i.imgur.com/ToOXKQ3.jpg

Also from Cheboksarov.

«Трудно найти в Восточной Европе группу, которая по антропологическому облику была бы так сильно похожа на норвежцев, как удорские коми. Высокий рост, мезокефалия, светлый окрас волос и глаз, средне-широкое и высокое по европейским масштабам лицо, узкий выступающий нос с прямой спинкой и т. д. – все эти черты сближают удорских коми с населением Скандинавского полуострова. В смягчённых, смешанных формах те же особенности выражены и у других групп северных коми – на верхней Мезени, на Выме, на нижней Вычегде и т. д."

Google translate.

"It is difficult to find in Eastern Europe a group that in anthropological appearance would be so much like the Norwegians as the Udora Komi. Tall, mesocephaly, light color of hair and eyes, medium-wide and high on the European scale face, narrow protruding nose with a straight back, etc. - all these features bring together the Udora Komi with the population of the Scandinavian Peninsula. In the softened, mixed forms, the same features are expressed in other groups of the Northern Komi."

Komi people. As a whole Komi people more "Nordish" looking than most Europeans.

https://i.imgur.com/RH8zvSo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WdprrcL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/v109wog.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vjAxAP0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gOAndvW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zxaWwwi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uJTLaGF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HFDVqO3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9YoXA83.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R1EoPPW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LtcUmtq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/i1t9932.jpg

Jana

10-24-2019, 09:56 AM

Slavs in the southwest? This hypothesis is poorly substantiated and is not supported by archeology. The first Slavs were northerners. This is Kiev culture. I do not want to insult my South Slavic brothers with this fact. But in Eastern Europe no one doubts this.
https://i.ibb.co/SmQLt80/3-42.jpg

Lmao. Kiev is southwest from Russia. Slavs entered Russia from southwest. Majority of Russia is not original Slavic homeland. Sorry.

Laag

10-24-2019, 10:26 AM

Sche

10-24-2019, 10:49 AM

Lmao. Kiev is southwest from Russia. Slavs entered Russia from southwest. Majority of Russia is not original Slavic homeland. Sorry.
What can you regret if you were not informed? Kiev culture was called “Kiev culture” because the first finds of this culture were found in Kiev, and not because Kiev is the ancestral home of Kiev culture. Kiev is the southwestern outskirts of the Slavic ancestral home. The main territory of Kiev culture is Belarus - Polesie. This is the population Slavic north. At the expense of who is more Slavic - Russian, Ukrainian or Belarus, I find it difficult to answer. It seems to me an equal amount. But the impurities are different. In second place are the Poles.

Jana

10-24-2019, 10:51 AM

How does it come to your mind that southern Russians look like typical Ukrainians, and western Russians look like Belarusians? This is completely wrong. Both Ukrainians and Belarusians have their own specifics. They are much south even of southern Russians. Southern Russians are similar to Western Russians. And Western Russians are like Central Russians. And purebred northern Russians only occasionally have the Ural phenotype. This is so, and I am not going to think differently, because I live here and see the percentage of Ural impurity that is noticeable in the phenotype.

Our footballer was born in a provincial city in southern Russia. I do not think that the chances are good for the northern Russian to want to move to Russia’s ass. The Russians of the north go either to Siberia or to large megacities. So most likely the local soccer player is Tula. And his face is too depigmented for a Russian person. Russian living in Russia is immediately clear. And the look is far from that of a Russian person. Here is a Russian look:
https://i.ibb.co/mz99qby/image.jpg

Football player Nikolai Rasskazov has the look of this Russian Lithuanian, TV presenter, whom we see every day.
https://i.ibb.co/8cMB71w/IMG-4831.jpg

Most of Southern Russia does not have population continuity. Especially eastern parts like Volgograd etc. Other Russian users wrote about that. That region was settled by Russians, Ukrainians from all over.
Only in Orel, Kursk region we can speak about continuity from what I understand.

Jana

10-24-2019, 10:53 AM

Are they pure Slavs to you ? Or they mixed with Finns?
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4d6/XesJRuqIxSM.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4de/qbfGABGDkU0.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4e6/spZpHEb88Bs.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4ee/fRgFR-U128U.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e4fe/pJkRmQdhsJo.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c638319/v638319978/5e50e/0qeSvXuzqz4.jpg

Most of these look Slavic, excpet the man most of them could fit as lighter Croats. They don't have foreign faces. I count as true Slavic types people who can pass in majority of Slavic countries.
Guy from OP would look very foreign here, he looks too northern. But as you can see he is pretty atypical even in Poland.

Sche

10-24-2019, 10:55 AM

"It is difficult to find in Eastern Europe a group that in anthropological appearance would be so much like the Norwegians as the Udora Komi. Tall, mesocephaly, light color of hair and eyes, medium-wide and high on the European scale face, narrow protruding nose with a straight back, etc. - all these features bring together the Udora Komi with the population of the Scandinavian Peninsula. In the softened, mixed forms, the same features are expressed in other groups of the Northern Komi."
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Komi are quite Mongoloid unless you specifically use the selective method.

Jana

10-24-2019, 10:56 AM

What can you regret if you were not informed? Kiev culture was called “Kiev culture” because the first finds of this culture were found in Kiev, and not because Kiev is the ancestral home of Kiev culture. Kiev is the southwestern outskirts of the Slavic ancestral home. The main territory of Kiev culture is Belarus - Polesie. This is the population Slavic north. At the expense of who is more Slavic - Russian, Ukrainian or Belarus, I find it difficult to answer. It seems to me an equal amount. But the impurities are different. In second place are the Poles.

No informed ? Lol, I wrote about Polesian homeland of Slavs many times here. Polesia is SW from majority of European Russia.
I don't think this footballer has Polesian look.

Jana

10-24-2019, 10:57 AM

Ymyyakhtakh

10-24-2019, 11:03 AM

It would be the same with this football player if people did not know that he was from Russia, and you could not to apply for such a pseudoscientific phenotype as Ladogan. I am sure that this footballer will be a Swedish or Latvian Nordid if people did not know that he was from Russia. Everything is quite simple for someone who successfully passed an autism test in a neighboring branch. Southern Russians do not have Finno-Ugric admixtures, and therefore their phenotypes cannot resemble any Ladogans.

The term "Ladogan" was coined by Coon in The Races of Europe (https://archive.org/details/racesofeurope031695mbp), where he called Neo-Danubian a variant of Ladogan:

Ladogan: I propose to give this name to the descendants of the mesocephalic and brachycephalic forest-dwelling population of northern Europe east of the Baltic in Kammkeramik times. This type is a blend of a partly mongoloid brachycephalic element with a mesocephalic form of general Upper Palaeolithic aspect; these elements are seen in crania from Lake Ladoga and Salis Roje. (See Chapter IV, section 13, pp. 125-126.) Corded and /or Danubian elements are inextricably blended here, although the mongoloid and Upper Palaeolithic elements seem at present more important. In its present form this composite type shows two numerous variants:
(a) Neo-Danubian: Strongly mixed with the old Danubian, and to a lesser extent other elements, to form the common peasant type of eastern Europe, with many local variants.
(b) East Baltic: Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States.

Are there no Neo-Danubians in Southern Russia either?

Coon wrote above that the Ladogan type is associated with the "Kammkeramik" (Comb Ceramic / Pit–Comb Ware) culture. Comb Ceramic is dated to circa 4200 BC to 2000 BC, and the Uralic expansion was traditionally dated to circa 4000 BC, so in the past the Comb Ceramic culture was often associated with early Uralics. However these days the Uralic expansion is generally dated to circa 2000 BC.

Below Coon wrote that the man in Fig. 4 is "less Ladogan-looking than the other individuals on this plate", which implies that the men in the other photos are more "Ladogan-looking". So he is implying that even the German man in Fig. 3 is "Ladogan-looking".

https://i.imgur.com/k9aAeh2.png

Laag

10-24-2019, 11:03 AM

Most of Southern Russia does not have population continuity. Especially eastern parts like Volgograd etc. Other Russian users wrote about that. That region was settled by Russians, Ukrainians from all over.
Only in Orel, Kursk region we can speak about continuity from what I understand.

Correct. In terms of anthropology and ethnography, the southern Russians are Russians from regions like Smolensk, Kursk, Ryazan or Tula. Russians from Krasnodar, Rostov-on-Don, Novorossiysk are not Southern Russians. These territories were settled at a later time. There are a lot of people in these territories from Northern Russia, Southern Russia and Ukraine.

Sche

10-24-2019, 11:05 AM

Most of Southern Russia does not have population continuity. Especially eastern parts like Volgograd etc. Other Russian users wrote about that. That region was settled by Russians, Ukrainians from all over.
Only in Orel, Kursk region we can speak about continuity from what I understand.
Volgograd, Rostov-on-Don - this is not the south of Russia in the genetic sense. I do not take these territories into account.
The genetic south of Russia is Kursk, Voronezh, Belgorod, Oryol, Tula, Ryazan.

Laag

10-24-2019, 11:06 AM

Komi are quite Mongoloid unless you specifically use the selective method.

From Komi's point of view the Russians are half-woggy and most likely non-White than White.

Sche

10-24-2019, 11:09 AM

No informed ? Lol, I wrote about Polesian homeland of Slavs many times here. Polesia is SW from majority of European Russia.
I don't think this footballer has Polesian look.
Is Belarus a southwest?:picard1:

Dominator

10-24-2019, 11:13 AM

Only in Orel, Kursk region we can speak about continuity from what I understand.[/QUOTE]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Russian_dialects.png

Jana

10-24-2019, 11:20 AM

Is Belarus a southwest?:picard1:

Southern Belarus which is only pure Slavic area of Belarus is not very northern compared to large part of Russia.

Sche

10-24-2019, 11:21 AM

No informed ? Lol, I wrote about Polesian homeland of Slavs many times here. Polesia is SW from majority of European Russia.
I don't think this footballer has Polesian look.
The south of Belarus is located at the same latitude as the ethnographic south of Russia. Saying that Belarus with respect to South and even central Russia is the South-West is simply stupid. Sorry.

Jana

10-24-2019, 11:23 AM

Volgograd, Rostov-on-Don - this is not the south of Russia in the genetic sense. I do not take these territories into account.
The genetic south of Russia is Kursk, Voronezh, Belgorod, Oryol, Tula, Ryazan.

Yes. But the point is I don't think this guy looks like a typical southern Russian.

Dominator

10-24-2019, 11:23 AM

All of them pass as Komi or Erzya. So probably they are mixed with Finno-Ugric.

Are they from here/ There are no Finno-Ugric peoples
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Rivne_in_Ukraine.svg/1280px-Rivne_in_Ukraine.svg.png

Sche

10-24-2019, 11:33 AM

From Komi's point of view the Russians are half-woggy and most likely non-White than White.
The Komi have no point of view on the racial affiliation of Russians. You invented it yourself. Komi have a lot of Siberia, up to 10-20%, which cannot but affect the appearance of these people.

Laag

10-24-2019, 11:46 AM

The Komi have no point of view on the racial affiliation of Russians. You invented it yourself. Komi have a lot of Siberia, up to 10-20%, which cannot but affect the appearance of these people.

What's wrong with Siberian admixture? People with Siberian admixture pass as Aryan in most European countries. These Mari girls pass as Aryan in countries like Romania or Bulgaria.

https://i.imgur.com/t9SIg3N.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/abTeaXB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8pvmDCG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X1A0ScG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ht1ZXAG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QiURDMt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ScCfsZm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/By7EJyR.jpg

Siberian admixture comes from ancient UP populations of Siberia.

Sche

10-24-2019, 11:59 AM

What's wrong with Siberian admixture? People with Siberian admixture pass as Aryan in most European countries. These Mari girls pass as Aryan in countries like Romania or Bulgaria.
Siberian admixture comes from ancient UP populations of Siberia.
The point is not in the mixture itself, but in its quantity. We see how phenotypes change from Scandinavian to South European with a 20% difference in their additives. The Siberian admixture in northeastern Europe is as natural as the additional EEF in southwestern Europe.

chociprasa

10-24-2019, 01:07 PM

Savolaxid.

vorobuthek

10-24-2019, 01:30 PM

What's wrong with Siberian admixture? People with Siberian admixture pass as Aryan in most European countries. These Mari girls pass as Aryan in countries like Romania or Bulgaria.

https://i.imgur.com/t9SIg3N.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/abTeaXB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8pvmDCG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X1A0ScG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ht1ZXAG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QiURDMt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ScCfsZm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/By7EJyR.jpg

Siberian admixture comes from ancient UP populations of Siberia.

they will not pass for the Aryans in any way. Explicit Ural / Mongoloid impurity.

Jana

10-24-2019, 01:31 PM

:picard2:

vorobuthek

10-24-2019, 01:36 PM

This guy can pass in both northern and southern Russia, but more in northern. In the south, such pigmentation could be obtained from two parents with СЕ pigmentation, this sometimes happens when two recessive genes are meet.

chociprasa

10-24-2019, 01:59 PM

What's wrong with Siberian admixture? People with Siberian admixture pass as Aryan in most European countries. These Mari girls pass as Aryan in countries like Romania or Bulgaria.

https://i.imgur.com/t9SIg3N.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/abTeaXB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8pvmDCG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X1A0ScG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ht1ZXAG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QiURDMt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ScCfsZm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/By7EJyR.jpg

Siberian admixture comes from ancient UP populations of Siberia.

Depends whether it's a European phenotype or not. Ladogan, Lappid, Uralid and Volgid are what I would considered European, but not the other Mongoloid-mixed ones in western Siberia. The aforementioned always pass as white.