G25 Balkan t-sne with ancients

[ph2ter]

https://i.imgur.com/6ty4aRz.png

[ph2ter]

G25 calculator according to this plot:

Components:

SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1,0.133173,0.132019,0.065 996,0.049419,0.039392,0.024542,0.00893,0.008769,0. 003886,-0.013668,-0.00065,-0.007343,0.008325,0.014863,-0.012486,0.005304,-0.005346,0.00228,0.002388,0.002126,-0.001497,-0.002844,0.007888,-0.006748,0.000838
SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
SLAVIC:CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569,0.12862,0.129988,0.0 68259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ40,0.108132,0.149283,0.002 64,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.010598,0.00094,-0.014538,0.003477,0.026789,-0.002436,0.008243,-0.007582,-0.008945,-0.00285,0.005304,0.020731,-0.003927,-0.000377,0.000375,-0.011355,0.00507,0.002218,0.00482,-0.005149
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36,0.117238,0.148267,0.011 691,-0.025517,0.028313,-0.010319,0.003525,0.006923,0.00225,0.02041,0.00308 5,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.004679,-0.001357,0.005834,0.00326,-0.000887,0.000377,0.001501,-0.008111,0.004451,0.006779,0.001566,-0.000479
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37,0.118376,0.139128,0.014 708,-0.012597,0.01231,-0.006414,-0.004935,0.011769,0.004704,0.013121,-0.003735,0.004796,-0.013379,-0.001514,-0.008143,-0.00053,-0.00326,-0.005574,0.01257,-0.002626,-0.006738,0.006306,-0.000246,0.001807,-0.006706
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43,0.122929,0.145221,0.016 97,-0.019057,0.030775,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004154,0.009613,0.020775,0.002436,0.005545,-0.011596,-0.007019,0.00095,-0.006364,0.011343,0.000507,0.005656,-0.00075,-0.006239,0.000989,0.004314,0.006145,-0.001078
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32,0.111547,0.157407,0.015 085,-0.024871,0.026466,-0.015618,0.00141,-0.002308,0.005727,0.019135,0.002598,0.001798,-0.011298,-0.008808,-0.004072,0.002784,0.003651,0.001014,-0.000126,-0.002001,-0.006239,0.000495,0.00456,-0.01458,-0.001916
SCYTHIAN:Scythian_MDA:scy301,0.112685,0.087336,0.0 30547,0.01615,0.002154,0.004741,-0.001645,-0.002769,-0.017589,0.002187,-0.00682,-0.001948,-0.00773,-0.005918,0.003122,0.009281,0.008214,0.004181,0.008 799,0.009129,-0.010107,0.010758,0.006902,0.001446,0.001197
SCYTHIAN:Scythian_MDA:scy311,0.119514,0.094444,0.0 17348,0.004522,0.009232,0.009203,-0.00141,-0.008769,-0.006545,0.006925,0.005034,0.006894,-0.013825,-0.006331,0.002579,0.02254,0.010822,0.004181,0.0060 34,-0.003377,-0.009858,-0.000124,-0.005053,0.011809,-0.003473
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ24,0.134311,0.132019,0.05 3551,0.040698,0.038776,0.010598,-0.00282,0.000692,0.001023,-0.001458,-0.010068,0.002997,-0.013379,0.001514,0.013843,0.019225,-0.00013,-0.005068,0.002137,0.009129,-0.007612,0.005935,0.001849,0.008796,-0.001078
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ15,0.138864,0.116786,0.05 8454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.00235,0.010153,0 .001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11,0.134311,0.137096,0.05 8454,0.047481,0.038776,0.02008,0.00752,0.002308,-0.004704,-0.008747,-0.005196,0.006894,-0.010406,-0.006744,0.015201,0.012729,0.004824,0.000253,0.000 503,0.004502,0.000125,0.004328,-0.001109,0.011688,-0.005508
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ4,0.134311,0.133034,0.064 488,0.056525,0.035699,0.021196,0.011751,0.007154,-0.001841,0.004191,-0.005846,0.001649,-0.013082,-0.001376,0.026465,-0.002519,-0.024121,0.004687,0.00176,-0.004002,0.006988,0.007543,0.004067,0.013737,0.001 796
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ22,0.130897,0.131003,0.05 7699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.00517,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952


Results:


https://i.imgur.com/6O564H6.png

[andre]

G25 calculator according to this plot:

Components:

SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1,0.133173,0.132019,0.065 996,0.049419,0.039392,0.024542,0.00893,0.008769,0. 003886,-0.013668,-0.00065,-0.007343,0.008325,0.014863,-0.012486,0.005304,-0.005346,0.00228,0.002388,0.002126,-0.001497,-0.002844,0.007888,-0.006748,0.000838
SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
SLAVIC:CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569,0.12862,0.129988,0.0 68259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ40,0.108132,0.149283,0.002 64,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.010598,0.00094,-0.014538,0.003477,0.026789,-0.002436,0.008243,-0.007582,-0.008945,-0.00285,0.005304,0.020731,-0.003927,-0.000377,0.000375,-0.011355,0.00507,0.002218,0.00482,-0.005149
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36,0.117238,0.148267,0.011 691,-0.025517,0.028313,-0.010319,0.003525,0.006923,0.00225,0.02041,0.00308 5,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.004679,-0.001357,0.005834,0.00326,-0.000887,0.000377,0.001501,-0.008111,0.004451,0.006779,0.001566,-0.000479
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37,0.118376,0.139128,0.014 708,-0.012597,0.01231,-0.006414,-0.004935,0.011769,0.004704,0.013121,-0.003735,0.004796,-0.013379,-0.001514,-0.008143,-0.00053,-0.00326,-0.005574,0.01257,-0.002626,-0.006738,0.006306,-0.000246,0.001807,-0.006706
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43,0.122929,0.145221,0.016 97,-0.019057,0.030775,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004154,0.009613,0.020775,0.002436,0.005545,-0.011596,-0.007019,0.00095,-0.006364,0.011343,0.000507,0.005656,-0.00075,-0.006239,0.000989,0.004314,0.006145,-0.001078
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32,0.111547,0.157407,0.015 085,-0.024871,0.026466,-0.015618,0.00141,-0.002308,0.005727,0.019135,0.002598,0.001798,-0.011298,-0.008808,-0.004072,0.002784,0.003651,0.001014,-0.000126,-0.002001,-0.006239,0.000495,0.00456,-0.01458,-0.001916
SCYTHIAN:Scythian_MDA:scy301,0.112685,0.087336,0.0 30547,0.01615,0.002154,0.004741,-0.001645,-0.002769,-0.017589,0.002187,-0.00682,-0.001948,-0.00773,-0.005918,0.003122,0.009281,0.008214,0.004181,0.008 799,0.009129,-0.010107,0.010758,0.006902,0.001446,0.001197
SCYTHIAN:Scythian_MDA:scy311,0.119514,0.094444,0.0 17348,0.004522,0.009232,0.009203,-0.00141,-0.008769,-0.006545,0.006925,0.005034,0.006894,-0.013825,-0.006331,0.002579,0.02254,0.010822,0.004181,0.0060 34,-0.003377,-0.009858,-0.000124,-0.005053,0.011809,-0.003473
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ24,0.134311,0.132019,0.05 3551,0.040698,0.038776,0.010598,-0.00282,0.000692,0.001023,-0.001458,-0.010068,0.002997,-0.013379,0.001514,0.013843,0.019225,-0.00013,-0.005068,0.002137,0.009129,-0.007612,0.005935,0.001849,0.008796,-0.001078
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ15,0.138864,0.116786,0.05 8454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.00235,0.010153,0 .001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11,0.134311,0.137096,0.05 8454,0.047481,0.038776,0.02008,0.00752,0.002308,-0.004704,-0.008747,-0.005196,0.006894,-0.010406,-0.006744,0.015201,0.012729,0.004824,0.000253,0.000 503,0.004502,0.000125,0.004328,-0.001109,0.011688,-0.005508
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ4,0.134311,0.133034,0.064 488,0.056525,0.035699,0.021196,0.011751,0.007154,-0.001841,0.004191,-0.005846,0.001649,-0.013082,-0.001376,0.026465,-0.002519,-0.024121,0.004687,0.00176,-0.004002,0.006988,0.007543,0.004067,0.013737,0.001 796
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ22,0.130897,0.131003,0.05 7699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.00517,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952


Results:


https://i.imgur.com/6O564H6.png
As always i score 60% balkanic + 40% slavic

[Daos777]

Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 3.2293% / 0.03229283
Aggregated
76.0SLAVIC
23.4SCYTHIAN
0.6ILLYRIC

Kind of thought I’d get at least 10 percent Illyric. Do I even Vlach bro?

[Jana]

I am 11% Germanic :) Finally somebody recognize my German heritage. Stears less than half Slavic, he will like that xD
Lukasz :eek: :D

[ph2ter]

I am 11% Germanic :) Finally somebody recognize my German heritage. Stears less than half Slavic, he will like that xD
Lukasz :eek: :D

I think that this Balkan calc is my best so far :)

[War Chef]

How do I do this? I have raw data wut do I do

[Kaspias]

https://i.imgur.com/6O564H6.png

Where is my horse?

[ph2ter]

How do I do this? I have raw data wut do I do

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

[ph2ter]

Where is my horse?

What horse ?:icon1:

[Kaspias]

What horse ?:icon1:

https://i.ibb.co/jr92tT8/indir.jpg

[ph2ter]

https://i.ibb.co/jr92tT8/indir.jpg

:bow00001:

[Coastal Elite]

:bow00001:

Do you know what nationality “Karol” is? She has the third highest Germanic score next to me and Aye.

[Jana]

Do you know what nationality “Karol” is? She has the second highest Germanic score next to me.

He is 3/4 Slovak, 1/4 White American (Irish, Scottish and English ancestry) from what I remember.

[Coastal Elite]

He is 3/4 Slovak, 1/4 White American (Irish, Scottish and English ancestry) from what I remember.

That makes sense. I figured the person was mixed.

[War Chef]

I dunno how to do this cuz I'm dumb as fuck.
Can I send my raw data to someone and they do stuff?

[Vojnik]

G25 calculator according to this plot:

Results:




Can you add me to that?

[Lemgrant]

Can you add me to that?

you can do it too here: https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

in Source put this:

SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1,0.133173,0.132019,0.065 996,0.049419,0.039392,0.024542,0.00893,0.008769,0. 003886,-0.013668,-0.00065,-0.007343,0.008325,0.014863,-0.012486,0.005304,-0.005346,0.00228,0.002388,0.002126,-0.001497,-0.002844,0.007888,-0.006748,0.000838
SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
SLAVIC:CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569,0.12862,0.129988,0.0 68259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ40,0.108132,0.149283,0.002 64,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.010598,0.00094,-0.014538,0.003477,0.026789,-0.002436,0.008243,-0.007582,-0.008945,-0.00285,0.005304,0.020731,-0.003927,-0.000377,0.000375,-0.011355,0.00507,0.002218,0.00482,-0.005149
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36,0.117238,0.148267,0.011 691,-0.025517,0.028313,-0.010319,0.003525,0.006923,0.00225,0.02041,0.00308 5,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.004679,-0.001357,0.005834,0.00326,-0.000887,0.000377,0.001501,-0.008111,0.004451,0.006779,0.001566,-0.000479
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37,0.118376,0.139128,0.014 708,-0.012597,0.01231,-0.006414,-0.004935,0.011769,0.004704,0.013121,-0.003735,0.004796,-0.013379,-0.001514,-0.008143,-0.00053,-0.00326,-0.005574,0.01257,-0.002626,-0.006738,0.006306,-0.000246,0.001807,-0.006706
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43,0.122929,0.145221,0.016 97,-0.019057,0.030775,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004154,0.009613,0.020775,0.002436,0.005545,-0.011596,-0.007019,0.00095,-0.006364,0.011343,0.000507,0.005656,-0.00075,-0.006239,0.000989,0.004314,0.006145,-0.001078
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32,0.111547,0.157407,0.015 085,-0.024871,0.026466,-0.015618,0.00141,-0.002308,0.005727,0.019135,0.002598,0.001798,-0.011298,-0.008808,-0.004072,0.002784,0.003651,0.001014,-0.000126,-0.002001,-0.006239,0.000495,0.00456,-0.01458,-0.001916
SCYTHIAN:Scythian_MDA:scy301,0.112685,0.087336,0.0 30547,0.01615,0.002154,0.004741,-0.001645,-0.002769,-0.017589,0.002187,-0.00682,-0.001948,-0.00773,-0.005918,0.003122,0.009281,0.008214,0.004181,0.008 799,0.009129,-0.010107,0.010758,0.006902,0.001446,0.001197
SCYTHIAN:Scythian_MDA:scy311,0.119514,0.094444,0.0 17348,0.004522,0.009232,0.009203,-0.00141,-0.008769,-0.006545,0.006925,0.005034,0.006894,-0.013825,-0.006331,0.002579,0.02254,0.010822,0.004181,0.0060 34,-0.003377,-0.009858,-0.000124,-0.005053,0.011809,-0.003473
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ24,0.134311,0.132019,0.05 3551,0.040698,0.038776,0.010598,-0.00282,0.000692,0.001023,-0.001458,-0.010068,0.002997,-0.013379,0.001514,0.013843,0.019225,-0.00013,-0.005068,0.002137,0.009129,-0.007612,0.005935,0.001849,0.008796,-0.001078
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ15,0.138864,0.116786,0.05 8454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.00235,0.010153,0 .001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11,0.134311,0.137096,0.05 8454,0.047481,0.038776,0.02008,0.00752,0.002308,-0.004704,-0.008747,-0.005196,0.006894,-0.010406,-0.006744,0.015201,0.012729,0.004824,0.000253,0.000 503,0.004502,0.000125,0.004328,-0.001109,0.011688,-0.005508
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ4,0.134311,0.133034,0.064 488,0.056525,0.035699,0.021196,0.011751,0.007154,-0.001841,0.004191,-0.005846,0.001649,-0.013082,-0.001376,0.026465,-0.002519,-0.024121,0.004687,0.00176,-0.004002,0.006988,0.007543,0.004067,0.013737,0.001 796
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ22,0.130897,0.131003,0.05 7699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.00517,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952

in target put your scaled coordinates:

Vojnik_scaled,0.121791,0.145221,0.02753,-0.003876,0.022158,0.003904,-0.001645,0.001154,-0.000205,0.006925,0.002923,0.001948,0.001784,0.006 468,-0.010179,0.002917,0.00691,0.00152,0.011564,-0.004877,-0.00861,0.000371,0.008258,-0.001325,-0.006826

in "Single" tab click on "Vojnik_scaled".


if you put more samples in target tab, then you can choose the multi tab and click "run"
https://i.imgur.com/bTYdmjT.png

[Lemgrant]

Ljubic who is actually 12,5% German per paper trail, scores 0% Germanic here...and on ancestrydna...let's see what he will get from 23andme.

[MercifulServant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/511681537847066625/636729385701081089/unknown.png?width=400&height=95

[MercifulServant]

Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 3.2293% / 0.03229283
Aggregated
76.0SLAVIC
23.4SCYTHIAN
0.6ILLYRIC

Kind of thought I’d get at least 10 percent Illyric. Do I even Vlach bro?

The Scythian component seems to be woggy

[Kamal900]

I am 11% Germanic :) Finally somebody recognize my German heritage. Stears less than half Slavic, he will like that xD
Lukasz :eek: :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM42YTY62rA

[Daos777]

The Scythian component seems to be woggy

Scythians were probably more wog than people think lol

[War Chef]

Scythians were probably more wog than people think lol

Well all they had to mix with was Caucasus people and some Persian-like people who lived in central Asia. There was nobody else (except Asians but we know how that turned out).

[Daos777]

Well all they had to mix with was Caucasus people and some Persian-like people who lived in central Asia. There was nobody else (except Asians but we know how that turned out).

They were high in CHG like any other steppe culture. CHG plots close to Iran Neolithic. So obviously they will show up more wogged than other Europeans.

All this non-sense that indo-Europeans were Nordid blonde haired blue eyed people is nothing but larping. It is proven that Yamnaya were predominantly black haired and dark eyed with darker skin than today’s Europeans. EHG were dark haired and eyed but with light skin so Yamnayas skin probably got darker from their CHG admixture. People will quote me and say “but Daos they had the genes for blonde hair so you’re a faggot who doesn’t even know what he’s talking about” well so do fucking Melanesians. Means nothing for the average.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/05/case-closed-blonde-melanesians-understood/#.XbED5SUpCEc


The same goes for all steppe people. No matter what some larping historical literature says.

[War Chef]

They were high in CHG like any other steppe culture. CHG plots close to Iran Neolithic. So obviously they will show up more wogged than other Europeans.

All this non-sense that indo-Europeans were Nordid blonde haired blue eyed people is nothing but larping. It is proven that Yamnaya were predominantly black haired and dark eyed with darker skin than today’s Europeans. EHG were dark haired and eyed but with light skin so Yamnayas skin probably got darker from their CHG admixture. People will quote me and say “but Daos they had the genes for blonde hair so you’re a faggot who doesn’t even know what he’s talking about” well so do fucking Melanesians. Means nothing for the average.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/05/case-closed-blonde-melanesians-understood/#.XbED5SUpCEc


The same goes for all steppe people. No matter what some larping historical literature says.

Yamnaya were dark because it was at the time before blond-mania (sex selection for blond hair+blue eyes)..... Europe went crazy about it especially north europe because it was a status symbol. Yamnaya existed at a time before it became popular, not because they were MENA. Yamnaya are about the same as modern Russians. Scythians are like Lezgins, or slightly more "northern" genetically, like far north dagestanis.

[Daos777]

Yamnaya were dark because it was at the time before blond-mania (sex selection for blond hair+blue eyes)..... Europe went crazy about it especially north europe because it was a status symbol. Yamnaya existed at a time before it became popular, not because they were MENA. Yamnaya are about the same as modern Russians. Scythians are like Lezgins, or slightly more "northern" genetically, like far north dagestanis.

Do you consider Neolithic Iran to be more wog or more European? If more wog, than the same goes for their CHG close plotting cousins which again were abundant in Steppe cultures. I don’t think this part of ancestry passed on to modern Northern Europeans I dk tho.


Also blondism and less pigmentation in general is not total sexual selection. The whiter you are the healthier you will be in northern climates. More vitamin D. No supplements back then.

Blue eyes let more light in. The cloudy cold days of the north give the blue eyed person an advantage in sight. But if he moved south he would be at a disadvantage because he would have a hard time adjusting to the brightness. If you don’t think this is the case. Come to Florida during the summer. You won’t be able to take it without sunglasses.

[Coastal Elite]

Some dude is 100% Illyric. Impressive.

[War Chef]

Do you consider Neolithic Iran to be more wog or more European? If more wog, than the same goes for their CHG close plotting cousins which again were abundant in Steppe cultures. I don’t think this part of ancestry passed on to modern Northern Europeans I dk tho.


Also blondism and less pigmentation in general is not total sexual selection. The whiter you are the healthier you will be in northern climates. More vitamin D. No supplements back then.

Blue eyes let more light in. The cloudy cold days of the north give the blue eyed person an advantage in sight. But if he moved south he would be at a disadvantage because he would have a hard time adjusting to the brightness. If you don’t think this is the case. Come to Florida during the summer. You won’t be able to take it without sunglasses.

The vitamin D thing and Better eyesight thing is bullshit. I seen study that blue eyes only marginally improve eyesight, nothing statistically significant. Blonde hair was like gold to dumb bronze age Europeanes, and blue eyes were like the sky in their animism spirituality. It was sexually selected like widlfire, I have zero doubts about that.

[Daos777]

The vitamin D thing and Better eyesight thing is bullshit. I seen study that blue eyes only marginally improve eyesight, nothing statistically significant. Blonde hair was like gold to dumb bronze age Europeanes, and blue eyes were like the sky in their animism spirituality. It was sexually selected like widlfire, I have zero doubts about that.

Lol could be I’m just throwing out theories out of my ass hahaha

[Dick]

Ljubic who is actually 12,5% German per paper trail, scores 0% Germanic here.

That's odd.

[Mingle]

G25 calculator according to this plot:

Components:

SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1,0.133173,0.132019,0.065 996,0.049419,0.039392,0.024542,0.00893,0.008769,0. 003886,-0.013668,-0.00065,-0.007343,0.008325,0.014863,-0.012486,0.005304,-0.005346,0.00228,0.002388,0.002126,-0.001497,-0.002844,0.007888,-0.006748,0.000838
SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
SLAVIC:CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569,0.12862,0.129988,0.0 68259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ40,0.108132,0.149283,0.002 64,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.010598,0.00094,-0.014538,0.003477,0.026789,-0.002436,0.008243,-0.007582,-0.008945,-0.00285,0.005304,0.020731,-0.003927,-0.000377,0.000375,-0.011355,0.00507,0.002218,0.00482,-0.005149
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36,0.117238,0.148267,0.011 691,-0.025517,0.028313,-0.010319,0.003525,0.006923,0.00225,0.02041,0.00308 5,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.004679,-0.001357,0.005834,0.00326,-0.000887,0.000377,0.001501,-0.008111,0.004451,0.006779,0.001566,-0.000479
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37,0.118376,0.139128,0.014 708,-0.012597,0.01231,-0.006414,-0.004935,0.011769,0.004704,0.013121,-0.003735,0.004796,-0.013379,-0.001514,-0.008143,-0.00053,-0.00326,-0.005574,0.01257,-0.002626,-0.006738,0.006306,-0.000246,0.001807,-0.006706
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43,0.122929,0.145221,0.016 97,-0.019057,0.030775,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004154,0.009613,0.020775,0.002436,0.005545,-0.011596,-0.007019,0.00095,-0.006364,0.011343,0.000507,0.005656,-0.00075,-0.006239,0.000989,0.004314,0.006145,-0.001078
ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32,0.111547,0.157407,0.015 085,-0.024871,0.026466,-0.015618,0.00141,-0.002308,0.005727,0.019135,0.002598,0.001798,-0.011298,-0.008808,-0.004072,0.002784,0.003651,0.001014,-0.000126,-0.002001,-0.006239,0.000495,0.00456,-0.01458,-0.001916
SCYTHIAN:Scythian_MDA:scy301,0.112685,0.087336,0.0 30547,0.01615,0.002154,0.004741,-0.001645,-0.002769,-0.017589,0.002187,-0.00682,-0.001948,-0.00773,-0.005918,0.003122,0.009281,0.008214,0.004181,0.008 799,0.009129,-0.010107,0.010758,0.006902,0.001446,0.001197
SCYTHIAN:Scythian_MDA:scy311,0.119514,0.094444,0.0 17348,0.004522,0.009232,0.009203,-0.00141,-0.008769,-0.006545,0.006925,0.005034,0.006894,-0.013825,-0.006331,0.002579,0.02254,0.010822,0.004181,0.0060 34,-0.003377,-0.009858,-0.000124,-0.005053,0.011809,-0.003473
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ24,0.134311,0.132019,0.05 3551,0.040698,0.038776,0.010598,-0.00282,0.000692,0.001023,-0.001458,-0.010068,0.002997,-0.013379,0.001514,0.013843,0.019225,-0.00013,-0.005068,0.002137,0.009129,-0.007612,0.005935,0.001849,0.008796,-0.001078
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ15,0.138864,0.116786,0.05 8454,0.042959,0.036314,0.024821,0.00235,0.010153,0 .001227,-0.003827,0.001949,0.001948,-0.013082,-0.015276,0.016558,0.017634,0.012517,0.000127,0.013 073,0.013006,0.003993,0.00272,-0.002342,0.025064,-0.004191
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ11,0.134311,0.137096,0.05 8454,0.047481,0.038776,0.02008,0.00752,0.002308,-0.004704,-0.008747,-0.005196,0.006894,-0.010406,-0.006744,0.015201,0.012729,0.004824,0.000253,0.000 503,0.004502,0.000125,0.004328,-0.001109,0.011688,-0.005508
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ4,0.134311,0.133034,0.064 488,0.056525,0.035699,0.021196,0.011751,0.007154,-0.001841,0.004191,-0.005846,0.001649,-0.013082,-0.001376,0.026465,-0.002519,-0.024121,0.004687,0.00176,-0.004002,0.006988,0.007543,0.004067,0.013737,0.001 796
GERMANIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ22,0.130897,0.131003,0.05 7699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.00517,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952


Results:


https://i.imgur.com/6O564H6.png

Do you know the ethnicity of the MarkoK user that scores 100% Illyric?

[Dick]

Do you know the ethnicity of the MarkoK user that scores 100% Illyric?

That's Markos the Greek islander. The guy with the black Greek basketball player as an avater.

[ph2ter]

Ljubic who is actually 12,5% German per paper trail, scores 0% Germanic here...and on ancestrydna...let's see what he will get from 23andme.

How can his result show Germanic when with the whole modern spreadsheet he doesn't score any:

[1] "distance%=0.6572"

Ljubic

Slovenian,18.8
Romanian,15.6
Slovakian,9.2
Montenegrin,6.6
Serbian,6.4
Croatian,6.2
Moldovan,6
Bosnian,4.6
Greek,4.6
Ukrainian,3.2
Albanian,3
Polish,3
Mordovian,2.6
Hungarian,2.4
Moldavian,1.6
Czech,1.4
Macedonian,1.4
Estonian,0.6
German,0.4
Ashkenazi_Jew,0.2
Belarusian,0.2
Bulgarian,0.2
Cossack_Ukrainian,0.2
Lebanese_Muslim,0.2
Russian_Kursk,0.2
Russian_Orel,0.2
Russian_Tver,0.2
Russian_Voronez,0.2
Samaritan,0.2
Tatar_Mishar,0.2
Tlingit,0.2

[dududud]

Me:
64.8 ILLYRIC
35.2 GERMANIC


Father:
70.6 GERMANIC
29.4 ILLYRIC


Mother:
87.8 ILLYRIC
12.2 GERMANIC

[Kaspias]

The Scythian component seems to be woggy

Thracian proxy. Has similar admixture with Illyrian, Illyrian is probably more Med and this one has more Steppe.


https://i.ibb.co/cvZn45n/Ads-z.png

[Ylla]

What is illyric based on? Seems accurate to me :-)

[17571imre]

mother
52.8
SLAVIC

19.6
SCYTHIAN

18.8
ILLYRIC

8.8
GERMANIC

ME
53.2
SLAVIC

38.0
ILLYRIC

6.6
GERMANIC

2.2
SCYTHIAN

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://i.postimg.cc/TYN56PTn/Opera-Instant-neo-2019-10-24-104923-vahaduo-github-io.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/y8JgYzNt/Opera-Instant-neo-2019-10-24-104953-vahaduo-github-io.png (https://postimages.org/)

[WeirdLookingFellow]

mother
52.8
SLAVIC

19.6
SCYTHIAN

18.8
ILLYRIC

8.8
GERMANIC

ME
53.2
SLAVIC

38.0
ILLYRIC

6.6
GERMANIC

2.2
SCYTHIAN

So you're 3/4 Hungarian and 1/4 Dutch, but score rather similar to me:

Distance: 2.2536% / 0.02253593
Aggregated
47.8 SLAVIC
40.8 ILLYRIC
6.4 SCYTHIAN
5.0 GERMANIC

What's the distance? Also you're not on the t-sne I see I wonder where you plot, tho it's rather clear you'll be far away from me. If our distances are very different it will show that the mode isn't the best.

[17571imre]

So you're 3/4 Hungarian and 1/4 Dutch, but score rather similar to me:

Distance: 2.2536% / 0.02253593
Aggregated
47.8 SLAVIC
40.8 ILLYRIC
6.4 SCYTHIAN
5.0 GERMANIC

What's the distance? Also you're not on the t-sne I see I wonder where you plot, tho it's rather clear you'll be far away from me. If our distances are very different it will show that the mode isn't the best.

Target: MH_scaled
Distance: 1.3688% / 0.01368753
Aggregated

yeah on the k13 t-sne and k15-tsne i also plot some distance away from you.
most of the time i plot close to Bessarion.

[Carpatz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/636872928088031232/unknown.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/636872990201479178/unknown.png

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Target: MH_scaled
Distance: 1.3688% / 0.01368753
Aggregated

yeah on the k13 t-sne and k15-tsne i also plot some distance away from you.
most of the time i plot close to Bessarion.

Huh interesting, technically the model is better for you.

[PT Tagus]

https://i.imgur.com/QsmznGG.png

https://i.imgur.com/r8lED5c.png

[WeirdLookingFellow]

double

[Jana]

These calculators shouldn't be used by people who are not East European, otherwise they results will be nonsensical.

[Luke35]

Seems I score similar to Ayetooey here, I think my result looks very reasonable at about 1/2 Germanic:

Distance: 0.8160% / 0.00815950
Aggregated
46.8 GERMANIC
24.2 SLAVIC
20.4 ILLYRIC
8.6 SCYTHIAN

[Ford]

Seems to be in line with my gedmatch oracles (about 60/40, 70/30 "Slavic"/Med).

[ph2ter]

Thracian proxy. Has similar admixture with Illyrian, Illyrian is probably more Med and this one has more Steppe.


https://i.ibb.co/cvZn45n/Ads-z.png

These Scythian samples are real Scythians. Scythian reference is a proxy for all East and South Asian components including Uralic. It catches Saami, Indian, Turkish, Hunnic, Tatar and similar .
But these Scythian samples have also big chunk of native Balkan ancestry. They are similar to Balkan Turks.

[ph2ter]

What is illyric based on? Seems accurate to me :-)

As you can see from the spreadsheet these are Hungary Szolad samples from the 6th century plotting with Italians and Greeks (look the first post plot).

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

These calculators shouldn't be used by people who are not East European, otherwise they results will be nonsensical.

I desagree, you just need to know how to interpret them.

[Lucas]

Add me too....

[Jana]

As you can see from the spreadsheet these are Hungary Szolad samples from the 6th century plotting with Italians and Greeks (look the first post plot).

Could be Romanized Panonnians who were Illyrians. Or just Roman colonists. Southern Panonnia was Illyrian, northern Panonnia Celtic before Romanisation. There was probably a mixed zone as well.

[Jana]

I checked, Szolad is in southern Transdanubia and that was inhabited by Illyrians. So this def. can be Illyrian sample. As I mentioned I believe Illyrians were shifted south after Romanisation.

[ph2ter]

Add me too....

To the plot?

[Vid Flumina]

"sample": "Test1:VFlumina_scaled",
"fit": 2.7358,
"ILLYRIC_HUN_MA_Szolad": 54.17,
"GERMANIC_HUN_MA_Szolad": 45.83,
"SCYTHIAN_Scythian_MDA": 0,
"SLAVIC_CZE_Early_Slav": 0,
"SLAVIC_HUN_Avar_Szolad": 0,

closest to DacoCeltic?

[Cumansky]

Croats why you put me in your garbage genetic studies, this is propaganda I can only laugh at this garbage. Just remove me

[ph2ter]

Croats why you put me in your garbage genetic studies, this is propaganda I can only laugh at this garbage. Just remove me
Once you publish your coordinates, they are public.
From now on I can remove you, but not retroactively. You needed to say that before.

[Cumansky]

Once you publish your coordinates, they are public.
From now on I can remove you, but not retroactively. You needed to say that before.

No don't include, is not right this trash is a propaganda work. You think you can give 4 clusters of random ancient dig sites and rename and rewrite the history? Wtf nigga are you serious

[Cumansky]

Is just a disrespect to many ancestors before me because we know our history these other vassal states they are still learn their history, is ok

[ph2ter]

I will put you on ignore.

[Dick]

Croats why you put me in your garbage genetic studies, this is propaganda I can only laugh at this garbage. Just remove me

Lol

[J. Ketch]

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 2.0380% / 0.02038046
Aggregated
96.6 GERMANIC
3.4 ILLYRIC

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.2183% / 0.01218260
Aggregated
56.2 ILLYRIC
41.2 SLAVIC
2.6 SCYTHIAN

Target: Greek
Distance: 2.1345% / 0.02134516
Aggregated
98.6 ILLYRIC
1.4 SLAVIC

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 1.7480% / 0.01747959
Aggregated
62.2 ILLYRIC
37.8 SLAVIC

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 1.4572% / 0.01457155
Aggregated
59.2 SLAVIC
38.8 ILLYRIC
2.0 SCYTHIAN

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.7526% / 0.01752587
Aggregated
63.8 ILLYRIC
34.6 SLAVIC
1.6 SCYTHIAN

Target: Albanian
Distance: 2.1162% / 0.02116235
Aggregated
89.0 ILLYRIC
11.0 SLAVIC

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.5600% / 0.01559979
Aggregated
56.6 ILLYRIC
43.4 SLAVIC

Target: Croatian
Distance: 0.9131% / 0.00913112
Aggregated
72.4 SLAVIC
26.4 ILLYRIC
0.8 SCYTHIAN
0.4 GERMANIC

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.8381% / 0.00838097
Aggregated
64.8 SLAVIC
18.2 ILLYRIC
11.4 GERMANIC
5.6 SCYTHIAN

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 1.1067% / 0.01106746
Aggregated
66.8 SLAVIC
29.8 ILLYRIC
3.4 GERMANIC

Target: Slovakian
Distance: 1.6283% / 0.01628289
Aggregated
72.0 SLAVIC
21.0 GERMANIC
5.4 ILLYRIC
1.6 SCYTHIAN

Target: Czech
Distance: 1.0250% / 0.01024974
Aggregated
61.0 SLAVIC
29.0 GERMANIC
10.0 ILLYRIC

Target: Polish
Distance: 1.3418% / 0.01341772
Aggregated
93.0 SLAVIC
7.0 GERMANIC

Target: Austrian
Distance: 0.7383% / 0.00738289
Aggregated
45.4 SLAVIC
31.2 GERMANIC
23.4 ILLYRIC

Target: German
Distance: 0.8092% / 0.00809154
Aggregated
60.4 GERMANIC
21.4 SLAVIC
18.2 ILLYRIC

Target: German_East
Distance: 1.0788% / 0.01078774
Aggregated
51.8 SLAVIC
37.6 GERMANIC
10.6 ILLYRIC

[Jana]

Is Dick thumbing up Cumansky because he is more Illyrian than Slavic in this ? Dick, time to embrace your Albanian brothers xD

[Dick]

Is Dick thumbing up Cumansky because he is more Illyrian than Slavic in this ? Dick, time to embrace your Albanian brothers xD

I can thumb up whoever I want

[Cumansky]

Ok Ph2ter, I have question, how is Lukasz 99.8% SLAVIC when he stated one of his parents is Jew?

Ok, and next thing why do Croats look phenotype United Kingdom, Scottish or Netherlands? You are not SLAVIC tf you mean? You are Germanic race heavy

Don't trigger Vlade, or you get *****uh Sobieski

[Cumansky]

Is Dick thumbing up Cumansky because he is more Illyrian than Slavic in this ? Dick, time to embrace your Albanian brothers xD

You look Scottish your not a Balto Slavic race, stop lying

[Jana]

^^^^he is just another Vlach wannabe. Also nice to see Dibran scoring Slavic but 0% Scynthian xD

[Cumansky]

Is Dick thumbing up Cumansky because he is more Illyrian than Slavic in this ? Dick, time to embrace your Albanian brothers xD

Illyrian is Albanians not you

[Jana]

You look Scottish your not a Balto Slavic race, stop lying

Nope xD
I am 60% Slavic, followed by 30% Illyrian and 10% Germanic. Very close to my original estimations before G25 :thumb001:
You are just a Slav with some Scyth and even little Kraut xD

[Cumansky]

^^^^he is just another Vlach wannabe. Also nice to see Dibran scoring Slavic but 0% Scynthian xD

What the hell is Scynthian? Are you retarded you are not us

[Jana]

Cumansky your German score is same as mine hahaha ;) Welcome to the German club :thumb001:

[Cumansky]

Nope xD
I am 60% Slavic, followed by 30% Illyrian and 10% Germanic. Very close to my original estimations before G25 :thumb001:
You are just a Slav with some Scyth and even little Kraut xD

You are Kraut the definition of that I seen you in Origuess, I thought you were redneck trash from Alberta Canada

[Jana]

What the hell is Scynthian? Are you retarded you are not us

Is 10% German in you result of rape ? Maybe that is why you are angry all the time ?

[Cumansky]

Cumansky your German score is same as mine hahaha ;) Welcome to the German club :thumb001:

Principality of Galicia of Volhynia had Vikings and Saxons I am 1/5 Germanic, but Croats and Slovenes your race 1/2 German from Germany and Czech and Ashkenazis too

[Daos777]

You are Kraut the definition of that I seen you in Origuess, I thought you were redneck trash from Alberta Canada

LMAO!!!

[Jana]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/dda932d8614d549855bb2b533d45b4c6/tenor.gif

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Illyrian is Iberians not you

Fixed xD

[Cumansky]

Fixed xD

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 7.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 1.44
2 92.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 7.6% Moroccans (Behar) @ 1.44
3 91.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 8.6% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 1.45
4 74.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.3% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
5 88.5% Swedish (Dodecad) + 11.5% Yemenese (Behar) @ 1.72
6 86.6% Belorussian (Behar) + 13.4% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 1.74
7 91.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 8.4% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 1.78
8 75.2% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.8% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.78
9 88.5% Belorussian (Behar) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 1.91
10 87% Russian (Dodecad) + 13% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 1.94
11 70.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 29.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.01
12 87.3% Russian_B (Behar) + 12.7% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 2.01
13 71.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 28.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.03
14 69.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 30.4% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.13
15 88.4% Swedish (Dodecad) + 11.6% Egyptans (Behar) @ 2.13
16 88% Belorussian (Behar) + 12% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.14
17 70.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 29.9% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.16
18 88.1% Belorussian (Behar) + 11.9% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 2.17
19 89% Polish (Dodecad) + 11% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 2.17
20 83% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 17% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 2.18

[Cumansky]

Fixed xD

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 7.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 1.44
2 92.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 7.6% Moroccans (Behar) @ 1.44
3 91.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 8.6% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 1.45
4 74.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.3% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
5 88.5% Swedish (Dodecad) + 11.5% Yemenese (Behar) @ 1.72
6 86.6% Belorussian (Behar) + 13.4% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 1.74
7 91.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 8.4% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 1.78
8 75.2% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.8% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 1.78
9 88.5% Belorussian (Behar) + 11.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 1.91
10 87% Russian (Dodecad) + 13% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 1.94
11 70.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 29.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.01
12 87.3% Russian_B (Behar) + 12.7% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 2.01
13 71.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 28.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.03
14 69.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 30.4% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.13
15 88.4% Swedish (Dodecad) + 11.6% Egyptans (Behar) @ 2.13
16 88% Belorussian (Behar) + 12% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.14
17 70.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 29.9% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.16
18 88.1% Belorussian (Behar) + 11.9% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 2.17
19 89% Polish (Dodecad) + 11% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 2.17
20 83% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 17% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 2.18

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
13 71.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 28.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.03


What's your ethnicity?

[Ylla]

As you can see from the spreadsheet these are Hungary Szolad samples from the 6th century plotting with Italians and Greeks (look the first post plot).

Thank you how do I get my coordinates? Who do I contact?

[Cumansky]

What's your ethnicity?

Is my Mother result she is Zaporozhian Cossack from Ukraine and 1/4 Southerner

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.1% Swedish (Dodecad) + 11.9% Yemenese (Behar) @ 1.77
2 89.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 10.8% Mozabite @ 1.82
3 89.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 10.8% Moroccans (Behar) @ 1.87
4 75.8% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.2% Canarias (1000 Genomes) @ 1.96
5 89.9% Belorussian (Behar) + 10.1% Egyptans (Behar) @ 1.99
6 83.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 16.9% Egyptans (Behar) @ 2.02
7 83% Lithuanians + 17% Egyptans (Behar) @ 2.04
8 94% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 6% Mozabite @ 2.15
9 94% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 6% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.15
10 83.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 16.1% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 2.2
11 87.4% Swedish (Dodecad) + 12.6% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.22
12 92.8% Polish (Dodecad) + 7.2% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.26
13 75.8% Russian (Dodecad) + 24.2% Canarias (1000 Genomes) @ 2.27
14 91.6% Polish (Dodecad) + 8.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.28
15 88.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 11.7% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.28
16 83.8% Lithuanians + 16.2% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 2.29
17 90.9% Polish (Dodecad) + 9.1% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.32
18 71% Russian_B (Behar) + 29% Extremadura (1000 Genomes) @ 2.33
19 91.5% Polish (Dodecad) + 8.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 2.35
20 95.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 4.4% Somali (Dodecad) @ 2.35

[MercifulServant]

I think that this Balkan calc is my best so far :)

I agree. This calculator is putting me at around 50 50 slavic/illyric split which is similar to what I get on gedmatch oracles

[Cumansky]

I agree. This calculator is putting me at around 50 50 slavic/illyric split which is similar to what I get on gedmatch oracles

So what you are getting almost 50% Ukrainian so you think you are 50% Slavic? You are 50% Ukrainian average and 50% the other one

[Cumansky]

I agree. This calculator is putting me at around 50 50 slavic/illyric split which is similar to what I get on gedmatch oracles

So what you are getting almost 50% Ukrainian so you think you are 50% Slavic? You are 50% Ukrainian average and 50% the other one

[MercifulServant]

So what you are getting almost 50% Ukrainian so you think you are 50% Slavic? You are 50% Ukrainian average and 50% the other one

Yes. Usually I get something like 50% Ukrainian 50% Greek Thessaly on gedmatch mixed oracles.

[Cumansky]

Yes. Usually I get something like 50% Ukrainian 50% Greek Thessaly on gedmatch oracles.

Why you interpret 50% Ukrainian as 50% Slavic? It just means are 50% Ukrainian average. You can be more or less Slavic who knows but Ukrainian is not independant variable for Slavic

[vbnetkhio]

Yes. Usually I get something like 50% Ukrainian 50% Greek Thessaly on gedmatch mixed oracles.

Ukrainian includes some "southern" admixture, and Greek Thesally includes Slavic. but maybe that evens out so 50/50 is accurate.

[Cumansky]

Ukrainian includes some "southern" admixture, and Greek Thesally includes Slavic. but maybe that evens out so 50/50 is accurate.

Ukraine has alot of mixes there is 45 million Ukrainians, some Ukrainians are more than half southern right next with Bosnians and Serbs in a chart

[Jana]

I agree. This calculator is putting me at around 50 50 slavic/illyric split which is similar to what I get on gedmatch oracles

Don't listen to that troll. Ph2ter used early Slavic samples from Hungary in this run, not modern Ukrainians. And those early Slavs clustered with Belarusians.

[Daos777]

Don't listen to that troll. Ph2ter used early Slavic samples from Hungary in this run, not modern Ukrainians. And those early Slavs clustered with Belarusians.

I’m not Belarusian and I cluster close to them. So fake news.

[Jana]

I’m not Belarusian and I cluster close to them. So fake news.

No you don't lmao. You get only 76% Slavic and the rest of your score is exotic Scythian admixture.

[Cumansky]

I’m not Belarusian and I cluster close to them. So fake news.

Exactly, you are from Balkans

[Jana]

Edit, I see he used early Slav from Czech Republic as well as Avars_Szolad. Makes sense. These are only medieval Slavic samples we have so far.

[vbnetkhio]

Ukraine has alot of mixes there is 45 million Ukrainians

i am aware. but the academic Ukrainian kits, which are used in G25 and gedmatch oracles, show influence from the Chernakiv culture sample which was Greek+Scandinavian(Gothic).

[Jana]

Thank you how do I get my coordinates? Who do I contact?

https://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/genetic-ancestry-online-store-to-be.html

[Ljubic]

How can his result show Germanic when with the whole modern spreadsheet he doesn't score any:

[1] "distance%=0.6572"

Ljubic

Slovenian,18.8
Romanian,15.6
Slovakian,9.2
Montenegrin,6.6
Serbian,6.4
Croatian,6.2
Moldovan,6
Bosnian,4.6
Greek,4.6
Ukrainian,3.2
Albanian,3
Polish,3
Mordovian,2.6
Hungarian,2.4
Moldavian,1.6
Czech,1.4
Macedonian,1.4
Estonian,0.6
German,0.4
Ashkenazi_Jew,0.2
Belarusian,0.2
Bulgarian,0.2
Cossack_Ukrainian,0.2
Lebanese_Muslim,0.2
Russian_Kursk,0.2
Russian_Orel,0.2
Russian_Tver,0.2
Russian_Voronez,0.2
Samaritan,0.2
Tatar_Mishar,0.2
Tlingit,0.2

The f*ck, Slovenian the highest?

[Lemgrant]

https://images2.imgbox.com/eb/50/7ovV9CEN_o.png

[vbnetkhio]

I’m not Belarusian and I cluster close to them. So fake news.

clustering is not the same as plotting. in clustering you are either in one cluster or another, in plotting there is a gradient

[Daos777]

No you don't lmao. You get only 76% Slavic and the rest of your score is exotic Scythian admixture.

Put me on a plot and see where I cluster lmao. I will be close to them.

[Daos777]

clustering is not the same as plotting. in clustering you are either in one cluster or another, in plotting there is a gradient

I plot with them as well.


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[Jana]

Put me on a plot and see where I cluster lmao. I will be close to them.

You get only 76% similarity with them. So no you are not purely Slavic and you really look to be 3/4 Slavic 1/4 something else as your profile states.
Btw, you are not genetically Moldovan. I ran your data on vahaduo PCA and you are in south of the Ukrainian cluster.

[vbnetkhio]

I plot with them as well.


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on my k36 plot you are south of Ukrainians and the early Slavs are north of them.

[Cumansky]

i am aware. but the academic Ukrainian kits, which are used in G25 and gedmatch oracles, show influence from the Chernakiv culture sample which was Greek+Scandinavian(Gothic).

Maybe, but alot of Steppe tribes arrived after to change the dynamics in my region even some of those isolated East Germanic Tribes passed when there was migration era those weren't proper Scandinavians they were East Germanics continental Globular Amphora Culture (GAC). Proper Scandinavians is Vikings and they settled within Kievan Rus Principality and further South but centuries later. Those East Germanics went into mostly Western Europe some crossed into North Africa thru Iberian

[Luke35]

Thank you how do I get my coordinates? Who do I contact?

To get your coords you need to email Davidski (eurogenesblog@gmail.com) a copy of your data file and at the same time, go to your PayPal, and submit a $12 US dollar payment to his email address.

[Daos777]

on my k36 plot you are south of Ukrainians and the early Slavs are north of them.

According to your plot I’m more Yamnaya than anything lmao. K36 is an old calc anyways. G25 is way more accurate.


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[Cumansky]

Put me on a plot and see where I cluster lmao. I will be close to them.

Daos is 99%+ similarity match with Scythians

[Cumansky]

You get only 76% similarity with them. So no you are not purely Slavic and you really look to be 3/4 Slavic 1/4 something else as your profile states.
Btw, you are not genetically Moldovan. I ran your data on vahaduo PCA and you are in south of the Ukrainian cluster.

^

[Daos777]

You get only 76% similarity with them. So no you are not purely Slavic and you really look to be 3/4 Slavic 1/4 something else as your profile states.
Btw, you are not genetically Moldovan. I ran your data on vahaduo PCA and you are in south of the Ukrainian cluster.

76 is a huge similarity though.


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[MercifulServant]

I plot with them as well.
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No you dont. You are south of northern slavs. You might be mostly slavic but you still dont cluster with belorussians

[Jana]

76 is a huge similarity though.

Well it's clearly you are overwhelmingly Slavic.

[Daos777]

Well it's clearly you are overwhelmingly Slavic.

Just like Belorussians. See my point?

[Mingle]

https://images2.imgbox.com/eb/50/7ovV9CEN_o.pngInteresting, lots of diversity among the Ukrainian samples.

[Cumansky]

No you dont. You are south of northern slavs. You might be mostly slavic but you still dont cluster with belorussians

Belorussians can cluster in Balkans, cluster is a hoax is just a way to measure your similarity index within your own race that people are misusing for agenda how you are trying now

[War Chef]

According to your plot I’m more Yamnaya than anything lmao. K36 is an old calc anyways. G25 is way more accurate.


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Bro how do I do g25. I have raw data and stuff but all that nerdy code stuff is confusing... wut do I do?

[MercifulServant]

Belorussians can cluster in Balkans, cluster is a hoax is just a way to measure your similarity index within your own race that people are misusing for agenda how you are trying

http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/p0RDMJGgMXF96/giphy.gif

[Daos777]

Interesting, lots of diversity among the Ukrainian samples.

In my opinion Ukrainians have a lot of Scythian admixture but not every region gets it, so it makes sense for their diversity.

[MercifulServant]

Bro how do I do g25. I have raw data and stuff but all that nerdy code stuff is confusing... wut do I do?

Dude send the guy an email and pay him. He will run ur data through the code and send u the coordinates. all u have to do is copy paste the coordinates to get results it isnt really complicated at all.

[Daos777]

Bro how do I do g25. I have raw data and stuff but all that nerdy code stuff is confusing... wut do I do?

eurogenesblog@gmail.com

Your raw data to that email + $12 via PayPal to same email.

That’s Davidski the creator of all eurogenes calcs.

[vbnetkhio]

According to your plot I’m more Yamnaya than anything lmao. K36 is an old calc anyways. G25 is way more accurate.


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on that plot, and on PCAs, plotting near something doesn't necessarily mean you are similar to it. you just plot exactly between the stuff you are a mix of.

there are differrent mixes that can get you plotting in the same place.

[Cumansky]

My Mother is 3/4 Balto East Nordid Slavic Scythian extract. A majority northern. She is also 1/4 North African Jewish. Because of that she clusters around Croats and Slovenes lol oh no give me a gold medal I am pure Balkan bro Illyr, is all good tho my Father Zyraxes end of the day

[Jana]

Just like Belorussians. See my point?

Belarusians have 0% southern admixtures, unlike you. Southern Belarusians are pure Slavic, you are not. Rest of Belarusians are Slavs with Baltic admixture, you are not.
You are southern shifted Ukrainian, mostly Slav but def. not pure Slav. Lukas who is central-eastern Pole is pure Slav and he clusters differently than you.

[Daos777]

on that plot, and on PCAs, plotting near something doesn't necessarily mean you are similar to it. you just plot exactly between the stuff you are a mix of.

there are differrent mixes that can get you plotting in the same place.

But either way I’m steppe as fuck right? Because everything clustered near me is pure steppe.

[Cumansky]

Interesting, lots of diversity among the Ukrainian samples.

Not really. This is not any real representation of Ukrainians

[MercifulServant]

My Mother is 3/4 Balto East Nordid Slavic Scythian extract. A majority northern. She is also 1/4 North African Jewish. Because of that she clusters around Croats and Slovenes lol oh no give me a gold medal I am pure Balkan bro Illyr, is all good tho my Father Zyraxes end of the day

https://media.giphy.com/media/4MSmydoaxjAju/giphy.gif

[Daos777]

Belarusians have 0% southern admixtures, unlike you. Southern Belarusians are pure Slavic, you are not. Rest of Belarusians are Slavs with Baltic admixture, you are not.
You are southern shifted Ukrainian, mostly Slav but def. not pure Slav. Lukas who is central-eastern Pole is pure Slav and he clusters differently than you.

It’s because of my Scythian ancestry.

[vbnetkhio]

Edit, I see he used early Slav from Czech Republic as well as Avars_Szolad. Makes sense. These are only medieval Slavic samples we have so far.

in my opinion av2 is the purest early Slav, Sunghir6 has some very minimal admixtures, av1 is mixed with "Szolad"(Germanics, Romans and Romanised Pannonians) and the early Czech Slav is mixed with the local Celts who were very similar to the Delmatian Illyrian samples.

[Jana]

in my opinion av2 is the purest early Slav, Sunghir6 has some very minimal admixtures, av1 is mixed with "Szolad"(Germanics, Romans and Romanised Pannonians) and the early Czech Slav is mixed with the local Celts who were very similar to the Delmatian Illyrian samples.

I agree.

[Leto]

It’s because of my Scythian ancestry.
Your Romanian quarter is pulling you south. If it weren't for your RO ancestry, you would plot around Southern Russia and mainstream Ukraine (Bukovina people and Transcarpathians are just a small sliver of UA population).

[MercifulServant]

It’s because of my Scythian ancestry.

Nah dude ur just 1/4 vlach/balkanic. It just misinterpereted that as Scythian. For some reason Scythians are wog af on this calc.

[Cumansky]

Nah dude ur just 1/4 vlach/balkanic. It just misinterpereted that as Scythian. For some reason Scythians are wog af on this calc.

If he is, I am too cause he is part our race, not Kosovers

[Coastal Elite]

What are modern examples of countries with high Scythian vs high Illyrian?

[Cumansky]

What are modern examples of countries with high Scythian vs high Illyrian?

Scythians - Ukraine Zaporozhia and surrounding
Illyrians - Albania Sea Peoples and surrounding

[Daos777]

Your Romanian quarter is pulling you south. If it weren't for your RO ancestry, you would plot around Southern Russia and mainstream Ukraine (Bukovina people and Transcarpathians are just a small sliver of UA population).

The problem with this is that my Surname is Slavic in origin even though it is found in Romania and my great grandpa is atypical phenotypically for Romanians. He was red haired and blue eyed and 6 foot 6 with an enormous frame. Round wide face. Although he absolutely had Balkan ancestry because of the E-V13 he in no way resembles any Romanians that I’ve seen. My great grandma was more typical for Romanians but with a very strong East asiatic pull. So I don’t even think I’m 25 percent Romanian tbh. I’m pretty confused about my ancestry from my Balkan side.

[MercifulServant]

The problem with this is that my Surname is Slavic in origin even though it is found in Romania and my great grandpa is atypical phenotypically for Romanians. He was red haired and blue eyed and 6 foot 6 with an enormous frame. Round wide face. Although he absolutely had Balkan ancestry because of the E-V13 he in no way resembles any Romanians that I’ve seen. My great grandma was more typical for Romanians but with a very strong East asiatic pull. So I don’t even think I’m 25 percent Romanian tbh. I’m pretty confused about my ancestry from my Balkan side.

In my opinion ur genetic results resemble someone who is like Half Moldovian Half Ukrainian

[Daos777]

Nah dude ur just 1/4 vlach/balkanic. It just misinterpereted that as Scythian. For some reason Scythians are wog af on this calc.

Lol they need to use a different Scythian sample then. But on mytrueancestry.com my closest population is Scythian. I never got any matches with Illyrians. Not saying that site is 100 percent accurate.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What are modern examples of countries with high Scythian vs high Illyrian?

Modern populations averages\closest distance to the Scythian and Illyrian samples used by ph2ter on this calculator:


Scythian


https://i.imgur.com/g0QWAPR.png


Illyrian

https://i.imgur.com/fALxTdb.png

[Cumansky]

The problem with this is that my Surname is Slavic in origin even though it is found in Romania and my great grandpa is atypical phenotypically for Romanians. He was red haired and blue eyed and 6 foot 6 with an enormous frame. Round wide face. Although he absolutely had Balkan ancestry because of the E-V13 he in no way resembles any Romanians that I’ve seen. My great grandma was more typical for Romanians but with a very strong East asiatic pull. So I don’t even think I’m 25 percent Romanian tbh. I’m pretty confused about my ancestry from my Balkan side.

Damn you beat me, my paternal surname Bulgarian Thracian origin and I'm from Poland

Mother was Polonized Ukrainian surname starts with Zapo-

[Daos777]

In my opinion ur genetic results resemble someone who is like Half Moldovian Half Ukrainian

There is no way I’m half Moldovan though. My dads mom is 100 percent Polish lol. So even if my dads dad was 100 percent Romanian/Moldovan it doesn’t work out. I can at most be 25 percent. But this is the part I’m doubting because of my Slavic surname and everything I explained.

[Leto]

The problem with this is that my Surname is Slavic in origin even though it is found in Romania and my great grandpa is atypical phenotypically for Romanians. He was red haired and blue eyed and 6 foot 6 with an enormous frame. Round wide face. Although he absolutely had Balkan ancestry because of the E-V13 he in no way resembles any Romanians that I’ve seen. My great grandma was more typical for Romanians but with a very strong East asiatic pull. So I don’t even think I’m 25 percent Romanian tbh. I’m pretty confused about my ancestry from my Balkan side.
A very strong East Asiatic pull? Your own results don't indicate that

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190804/3f3628b21029162113122e30df54d8f0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190804/f4fd29cce8ca8048b207193639bae968.jpg

Maybe also distant Romani?

[Cumansky]

Modern populations averages\closest distance to the Scythian and Illyrian samples used by ph2ter on this calculator:


Scythian


https://i.imgur.com/g0QWAPR.png


Illyrian

https://i.imgur.com/fALxTdb.png

Scythian Moldova is similar with Turkish people

[Coastal Elite]

Modern populations averages\closest distance to the Scythian and Illyrian samples used by ph2ter on this calculator:


Scythian


https://i.imgur.com/g0QWAPR.png


Illyrian

https://i.imgur.com/fALxTdb.png

Thanks for posting that. It's interesting that I'm half Romanian but get no Scythian but lots of Illyrian.

48.8 GERMANIC
44.0 ILLYRIC
7.2 SLAVIC

[Daos777]

A very strong East Asiatic pull? Your own results don't indicate that

Maybe also distant Romani?

How much would I inherit from my great grandma if she was 5-10 percent East Asian? (Not saying she was) she was mostly Caucasoid but you could see some asiatic features in her face.

Mixed population mode has me at 15-18 percent Tajik? Don’t they have East Asian admixture as well? Lol

[Lemgrant]

https://images2.imgbox.com/eb/50/7ovV9CEN_o.png

https://images2.imgbox.com/70/30/SeP68rq6_o.png

https://images2.imgbox.com/22/02/KbE09Lsr_o.png

https://images2.imgbox.com/10/ca/R5BT9Bbv_o.png

https://images2.imgbox.com/e9/4b/SNSRPh00_o.png

[Kaspias]

Illyrian samples are more Southern and concentrated on "med" elements. This is the reason why Balkan Slavs get only Slav and Illyrian, they are balancing each other. Basically Native + Slav. On the other hand, Scythian samples mixed in Balkans and got some med from there. They already had Steppe and East Eurasian before that mix. So this mix(Balkan+Steppe+East Eurasian) shifts them to the Balkan Turks.

In this calc you can also see that Balkan Turks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, and some Croats get Scythians while other South Slavs don't. This should point out something, shouldn't it?

[Jana]

Nah dude ur just 1/4 vlach/balkanic. It just misinterpereted that as Scythian. For some reason Scythians are wog af on this calc.

No. It has lot of exotic admixtures which are foreign for Balkans.

[Cumansky]

https://images2.imgbox.com/70/30/SeP68rq6_o.png

https://images2.imgbox.com/22/02/KbE09Lsr_o.png

https://images2.imgbox.com/10/ca/R5BT9Bbv_o.png

https://images2.imgbox.com/e9/4b/SNSRPh00_o.png

Belarusian

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 54.02
2 SW_Europe 24.98
3 West_Asia 10.11
4 SW_Asia 5.16
5 Siberia 3.36
6 NE_Asia 1.1
7 Americas 0.51
8 Oceania 0.39
9 South_Asia 0.37


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.6% Russian + 21.4% Italian_Tuscan @ 1
2 74% Russian + 26% Macedonian @ 1.09
3 78.4% Russian + 21.6% Albanian @ 1.11
4 81.6% Russian + 18.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.17
5 77.8% Russian + 22.2% Kosovar @ 1.2
6 78.8% Russian + 21.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.2
7 74.3% Russian + 25.7% Bulgarian @ 1.29
8 69% Russian + 31% Serbian @ 1.33
9 71.5% Russian + 28.5% Montenegrin @ 1.36
10 83.5% Russian + 16.5% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.5
11 63.9% Russian + 36.1% Bosnian @ 1.53
12 72.1% Russian + 27.9% Romanian @ 1.57
13 83.1% Russian + 16.9% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.6
14 59.8% Russian + 40.2% Moldavian @ 1.66
15 81.2% Russian + 18.8% Greek_Central @ 1.68
16 77.9% Russian + 22.1% Italian_Bergamo @ 1.84
17 88.4% Belarusian + 11.6% Nogay @ 1.86
18 84.5% Russian + 15.5% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.88
19 62.9% Russian + 37.1% Croatian @ 1.94
20 72.6% Slovak + 27.4% Finnish @ 1.97

[Cumansky]

Illyrian samples are more Southern and concentrated on "med" elements. This is the reason why Balkan Slavs get only Slav and Illyrian, they are balancing each other. Basically Native + Slav. On the other hand, Scythian samples mixed in Balkans and got some med from there. They already had Steppe and East Eurasian before that mix. So this mix(Balkan+Steppe+East Eurasian) shifts them to the Balkan Turks.

In this calc you can also see that Balkan Turks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, and some Croats get Scythians while other South Slavs don't. This should point out something, shouldn't it?

No it should not. I have 96% close similarity Scythians, and I plot south of Ukrainians that is home of Scythia. I also have 99+% similarity with Avars offshoot tribe of Scythians, and again around the Ukrainians. Scythian Moldova is a mix of North and South Black Sea cultures, probably some Crimea too

[Kaspias]

No it should not. I have 96% close similarity Scythians, and I plot south of Ukrainians that is home of Scythia. I also have 99+% similarity with Avars offshoot tribe of Scythians, and again around the Ukrainians. Scythian Moldova is a mix of North and South Black Sea cultures

We use Scythian_Moldova because this is a Balkan post. You may try your chance with other Scythian samples in another thread instead of trolling this

[vbnetkhio]

But either way I’m steppe as fuck right? Because everything clustered near me is pure steppe.

as i said it's plotting, not clustering. plotting is just a clue, to confirm similarity, you should also compare your k36 admixture results to those samples. for example, on that PCA Mortimer plots somewhere in Turkey if i remember right,(because that's the geometrical midpoint between the stuff he is a mix of) but his results of course aren't similar to those of the Turks.

but if you already have g25 than use that, not k36. becuase it's meant for ancient samples, and k36 isn't.

[Ylla]

https://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/genetic-ancestry-online-store-to-be.html

$12? Wow these geneticists are really raking it in :lol:

[Jana]

Stears scores 25% Scythian and I score 0%. He is not more Balkan than me (his Illyrian is half of mine). It's obvious this Scyth sample was legit steppe person mixed with some Balkan ancestry.
It is closest to Balkan Turks who plot as Balkan + Turkmen mix, so no this sample is not just Vlach blood.

[vbnetkhio]

The problem with this is that my Surname is Slavic in origin even though it is found in Romania and my great grandpa is atypical phenotypically for Romanians. He was red haired and blue eyed and 6 foot 6 with an enormous frame. Round wide face. Although he absolutely had Balkan ancestry because of the E-V13 he in no way resembles any Romanians that I’ve seen. My great grandma was more typical for Romanians but with a very strong East asiatic pull. So I don’t even think I’m 25 percent Romanian tbh. I’m pretty confused about my ancestry from my Balkan side.

where do you plot on the k15 plot?
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[Jana]

$12? Wow these geneticists are really raking it in :lol:

I know, but G25 is worth the money. And samples are updated all the time, it already has hundreds of them especially ancient.
For modern national and regional samples and recent ancestry Lukas report (which is only 5 Euro iirc) is the best by far.

[Cumansky]

We use Scythian_Moldova because this is a Balkan post. You may try your chance with other Scythian samples in another thread instead of trolling this

Your not Scythian, your Turk your Steppe association is Maykop not Scythia. Bulgars arrived long before you

[Daos777]

as i said it's plotting, not clustering. plotting is just a clue, to confirm similarity, you should also compare your k36 admixture results to those samples. for example, on that PCA Mortimer plots somewhere in Turkey if i remember right,(because that's the geometrical midpoint between the stuff he is a mix of) but his results of course aren't similar to those of the Turks.

but if you already have g25 than use that, not k36. becuase it's meant for ancient samples, and k36 isn't.

Ok thanks. Someone should create an ancient plot with all TA members using g25. Or has that been done already?

[Mingle]

How much would I inherit from my great grandma if she was 5-10 percent East Asian? (Not saying she was) she was mostly Caucasoid but you could see some asiatic features in her face.

Mixed population mode has me at 15-18 percent Tajik? Don’t they have East Asian admixture as well? Lol

Tajiks are around 15% East Asian on G25. The reason you get them is probably cause of your minor South Asian. Your East Asian isn't even 1% so I doubt its the reason that you drew Tajiks. Which part of Romania is your Romanian from?

I ran you on the OP's calculator but added an extra Roma component and this is what you got:

Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1728% / 0.03172848
Aggregated
78.6 SLAVIC
15.0 SCYTHIAN
6.0 ROMA
0.4 ILLYRIC

[vbnetkhio]

Ok thanks. Someone should create an ancient plot with all TA members using g25. Or has that been done already?

ph2ter made plots (PCAs) with forum members for all calculators, i'm just not sure did he plot ancient samples on them

[WeirdLookingFellow]

$12? Wow these geneticists are really raking it in :lol:

Worth it imo, lots more stuff that you can do with it than just GEDMatch.

[Daos777]

Tajiks are around 15% East Asian on G25. The reason you get them is probably cause of your minor South Asian. Your East Asian isn't even 1% so I doubt its the reason that you drew Tajiks. Which part of Romania is your Romanian from?

I ran you on the OP's calculator but added an extra Roma component and this is what you got:

Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1728% / 0.03172848
Aggregated
78.6SLAVIC
15.0SCYTHIAN
6.0ROMA
0.4ILLYRIC

Nice now do that to yours and other members I want to see how I stack up.

[Daos777]

where do you plot on the k15 plot?
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

PopulationPercent
1North_Sea23.65
2Baltic23.64
3Eastern_Euro17.30
4Atlantic8.67
5West_Med8.67
6East_Med7.22
7West_Asian5.75
8South_Asian2.45
9Amerindian2.12


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.330498
2 Ukrainian @ 8.795985
3 Moldavian @ 8.897069
4 Hungarian @ 10.752459
5 South_Polish @ 10.835174
6 Croatian @ 11.079168
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 13.657881
8 Polish @ 13.670513
9 Southwest_Russian @ 13.874667
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 15.022734
11 Serbian @ 15.706555
12 Finnish @ 15.885118
13 Estonian @ 15.895336
14 Kargopol_Russian @ 15.984681
15 East_German @ 16.048927
16 Belorussian @ 16.170984
17 East_Finnish @ 16.191256
18 Austrian @ 16.541080
19 Estonian_Polish @ 16.541687
20 Erzya @ 17.516050

[vbnetkhio]

PopulationPercent
1North_Sea23.65
2Baltic23.64
3Eastern_Euro17.30
4Atlantic8.67
5West_Med8.67
6East_Med7.22
7West_Asian5.75
8South_Asian2.45
9Amerindian2.12


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.330498
2 Ukrainian @ 8.795985
3 Moldavian @ 8.897069
4 Hungarian @ 10.752459
5 South_Polish @ 10.835174
6 Croatian @ 11.079168
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 13.657881
8 Polish @ 13.670513
9 Southwest_Russian @ 13.874667
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 15.022734
11 Serbian @ 15.706555
12 Finnish @ 15.885118
13 Estonian @ 15.895336
14 Kargopol_Russian @ 15.984681
15 East_German @ 16.048927
16 Belorussian @ 16.170984
17 East_Finnish @ 16.191256
18 Austrian @ 16.541080
19 Estonian_Polish @ 16.541687
20 Erzya @ 17.516050

you are between the Moldavian and Ukrainian clusters on this plot. similar to this academic sample
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
but a bit more east because of your South Asian and Amerindian.

[Leto]

PopulationPercent
1North_Sea23.65
2Baltic23.64
3Eastern_Euro17.30
4Atlantic8.67
5West_Med8.67
6East_Med7.22
7West_Asian5.75
8South_Asian2.45
9Amerindian2.12


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 8.330498
2 Ukrainian @ 8.795985
3 Moldavian @ 8.897069
4 Hungarian @ 10.752459
5 South_Polish @ 10.835174
6 Croatian @ 11.079168
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 13.657881
8 Polish @ 13.670513
9 Southwest_Russian @ 13.874667
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 15.022734
11 Serbian @ 15.706555
12 Finnish @ 15.885118
13 Estonian @ 15.895336
14 Kargopol_Russian @ 15.984681
15 East_German @ 16.048927
16 Belorussian @ 16.170984
17 East_Finnish @ 16.191256
18 Austrian @ 16.541080
19 Estonian_Polish @ 16.541687
20 Erzya @ 17.516050
The components need to add up to 100 percent. Don't click Oracle-4.

[MagnusDark]

Illyrians.....Illyrians everywhere...lol

[Daos777]

The components need to add up to 100 percent. Don't click Oracle-4.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191024/f206d2b72b3e1c0781766bdc735cbb9d.plist

[MagnusDark]

I can thumb up whoever I want

Don't mind her. She doesn't understand how algorithms work. lol

[vbnetkhio]

The components need to add up to 100 percent. Don't click Oracle-4.

i forgot about that... now with the full results he is more northern, closer to Ukrainians. still a bit south of them.

[MagnusDark]

I’m not Belarusian and I cluster close to them. So fake news.

Don't mind her. We don't actually have any confirmed Proto-Slavic DNA, and different early slav samples are not always the best proxy for all Slavic groups. Modern Slavs are not homogeneous either. She likes to act like she knows everything and gets mad when she's called out.

[Lemgrant]

How can his result show Germanic when with the whole modern spreadsheet he doesn't score any:

[1] "distance%=0.6572"

Ljubic

Slovenian,18.8
Romanian,15.6
Slovakian,9.2
Montenegrin,6.6
Serbian,6.4
Croatian,6.2
Moldovan,6
Bosnian,4.6
Greek,4.6
Ukrainian,3.2
Albanian,3
Polish,3
Mordovian,2.6
Hungarian,2.4
Moldavian,1.6
Czech,1.4
Macedonian,1.4
Estonian,0.6
German,0.4
Ashkenazi_Jew,0.2
Belarusian,0.2
Bulgarian,0.2
Cossack_Ukrainian,0.2
Lebanese_Muslim,0.2
Russian_Kursk,0.2
Russian_Orel,0.2
Russian_Tver,0.2
Russian_Voronez,0.2
Samaritan,0.2
Tatar_Mishar,0.2
Tlingit,0.2

we need to wait and see his 23andme results.

[vbnetkhio]

How can his result show Germanic when with the whole modern spreadsheet he doesn't score any:


i think it's just being swallowed by the Slovenian, Slovakian, Croatian and Montenegrin which include some Germanic admixture.

[Jana]

Is the R1a Goth-Scythian mad ? How sad it must be scoring 0% Scythian and 0% Germanic but Slavic.
I like when I triumph heheh.

[Rgvgjhvv]

100% Illyric? What the heck does that mean :lol:

[Leto]

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191024/f206d2b72b3e1c0781766bdc735cbb9d.plist
Here you go
https://i.ibb.co/Nsc5xSj/Daos777.png
You can save this image for future reference.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Tajiks are around 15% East Asian on G25. The reason you get them is probably cause of your minor South Asian. Your East Asian isn't even 1% so I doubt its the reason that you drew Tajiks. Which part of Romania is your Romanian from?

I ran you on the OP's calculator but added an extra Roma component and this is what you got:

Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1728% / 0.03172848
Aggregated
78.6 SLAVIC
15.0 SCYTHIAN
6.0 ROMA
0.4 ILLYRIC

Roma is a useless point of reference because it is Balkan + South Asian + Central Asian sth. The proper way is to isolate the components and to add a Balkan sample, a South Asian one, then Central, East Asian then even North Asian and Iranian to see the actual origin. If in a build that has Azeri + Siberian/East Asian + Gujarati, the individual gets Azeri and Siberian, then there's no South Asian admix. Same with Tajik, Kazakh, etc.

[Dušan]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191024/f206d2b72b3e1c0781766bdc735cbb9d.plist

https://i.imgur.com/QGzqOMs.png




.

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.imgur.com/QGzqOMs.png




.

this is with exotic admixtures removed, check if that plots differently
North_Sea 24.92
Atlantic 9.14
Baltic 24.91
Eastern_Euro 18.23
West_Med 9.14
West_Asian 6.06
East_Med 7.61

[Jana]

Roma don't have any central asian (in sense of mongoloid) as far as I know. They rather have West Asian (Kurdish like admixture) instead.

[Leto]

Roma don't have any central asian (in sense of mongoloid) as far as I know. They rather have West Asian (Kurdish like admixture) instead.
I and a couple of people have modeled them as 50% Greek, 35% Chamar (low caste South Asian) and 15% Armenian. The distance was pretty small.

[Dušan]

this is with exotic admixtures removed, check if that plots differently
North_Sea 24.92
Atlantic 9.14
Baltic 24.91
Eastern_Euro 18.23
West_Med 9.14
West_Asian 6.06
East_Med 7.61

https://i.imgur.com/0sqnD0O.png

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Roma don't have any central asian (in sense of mongoloid) as far as I know. They rather have West Asian (Kurdish like admixture) instead.

They will score Central Asian unless you properly choose the samples. There were some K36 results of some Spanish gypsies a bit ago, they all scored South Asian and South Central Asian, apart from one which scored only S.A. and no S.C.A. There's absolutely no debate that they come from a South Asian population that more or less immediately intermingled with a C. Asian pop. This makes discerning whether ones has Gypsy admix or not via G25 very difficult, but still doable if we keep this in mind.

Spoiler: Stears doesn't I already ran some pop combos, the Caucus mix is quite appropriate and even with an intermediary pop such as Iranian Azeri and Tajik he stays Caucus mix and not South Asian.

[Mingle]

Nice now do that to yours and other members I want to see how I stack up.

I don't have the coordinates for other members and I don't see the sense in running my coordinates when I'm not from the Balkans. I'll run some population averages instead.

They all seem to get minor Roma, but only the Balkan Turk gets more Roma than you do. Make of that what you will.


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1728% / 0.03172848
Aggregated
78.6 SLAVIC
15.0 SCYTHIAN
6.0 ROMA
0.4 ILLYRIC

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.1757% / 0.01175706
Aggregated
54.4 ILLYRIC
42.6 SLAVIC
3.0 ROMA

Target: Moldavian
Distance: 1.4816% / 0.01481557
Aggregated
65.2 ILLYRIC
31.0 SLAVIC
3.8 ROMA

Target: Turkish_Balkans
Distance: 2.3210% / 0.02321014
Aggregated
37.8 SCYTHIAN
34.4 ILLYRIC
16.8 ROMA
11.0 SLAVIC

Target: Albanian
Distance: 2.1018% / 0.02101822
Aggregated
87.2 ILLYRIC
10.6 SLAVIC
2.2 ROMA

Target: Greek
Distance: 1.8923% / 0.01892255
Aggregated
85.4 ILLYRIC
11.4 SLAVIC
3.2 ROMA

Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 3.8206% / 0.03820554
Aggregated
88.4 ILLYRIC
11.6 ROMA

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.5498% / 0.01549847
Aggregated
55.0 ILLYRIC
43.4 SLAVIC
1.6 ROMA

Target: Croatian
Distance: 0.8957% / 0.00895727
Aggregated
72.2 SLAVIC
26.0 ILLYRIC
1.4 ROMA
0.4 GERMANIC

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.8340% / 0.00834021
Aggregated
64.6 SLAVIC
18.0 ILLYRIC
12.4 GERMANIC
4.0 SCYTHIAN
1.0 ROMA


Roma is a useless point of reference because it is Balkan + South Asian + Central Asian sth. The proper way is to isolate the components and to add a Balkan sample, a South Asian one, then Central, East Asian then even North Asian and Iranian to see the actual origin. If in a build that has Azeri + Siberian/East Asian + Gujarati, the individual gets Azeri and Siberian, then there's no South Asian admix. Same with Tajik, Kazakh, etc.

That's true, but the same could apply to the other populations used by the OP.

Anyways, using Roma, he gets this:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.2073% / 0.03207324
Aggregated
78.4 Ukrainian
12.6 Romanian
8.8 Roma
0.2 Polish

With Gujarati instead of Roma:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.2306% / 0.03230586
Aggregated
75.0 Ukrainian
21.0 Romanian
3.4 Gujarati
0.4 Gagauz
0.2 Polish

With Azeri added:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1859% / 0.03185915
Aggregated
81.2 Ukrainian
10.2 Romanian
6.8 Azeri
1.6 Gujarati
0.2 Polish

With Turkish Kayseri added:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1823% / 0.03182266
Aggregated
82.4 Ukrainian
7.6 Turkish_Kayseri
7.4 Romanian
1.8 Gujarati
0.4 Polish
0.4 Azeri

[Jana]

They will score Central Asian unless you properly choose the samples. There were some K36 results of some Spanish gypsies a bit ago, they all scored South Asian and South Central Asian, apart from one which scored only S.A. and no S.C.A. There's absolutely no debate that they come from a South Asian population that more or less immediately intermingled with a C. Asian pop. This makes discerning whether ones has Gypsy admix or not via G25 very difficult, but still doable if we keep this in mind.

Spoiler: Stears doesn't I already ran some pop combos, the Caucus mix is quite appropriate and even with an intermediary pop such as Iranian Azeri and Tajik he stays Caucus mix and not South Asian.

Mixed with Turks ? Yes Stears looks to be part Cherkess, have no idea how but it always improves his fit and in my model he scores a lot, even 10%.

[Cumansky]

Croatians score 97% Eastern Europe and Russia in new update AncestryDNA, that means Croatians are 97% Slavic with Hook Nose and Mumbai Tan. Mystery solved everyone go home now!

[Mingle]

Ok thanks. Someone should create an ancient plot with all TA members using g25. Or has that been done already?

Anyone can make such a PCA, you just need access to coordinates.

Here is the link for it (includes both modern and ancient coordinates): https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/?#

[Cumansky]

Mixed with Turks ? Yes Stears looks to be part Cherkess, have no idea how but it always improves his fit and in my model he scores a lot, even 10%.

Stears looks like Crackhead out of Netherlands alley begging for a needle

[ph2ter]

Daos and Lukasz:
https://i.imgur.com/o3IU9sB.png

Hulu:
https://i.imgur.com/S8F6Hu2.png

[Jana]

Stears looks like Crackhead out of Netherlands alley begging for a needle

And you look like a ugly fuck.

[Daos777]

Daos and Lukasz:
https://i.imgur.com/o3IU9sB.png

Hulu:
https://i.imgur.com/S8F6Hu2.png

Lol I’m more north than Ukrainians on here?

[Cumansky]

And you look like a ugly fuck.

All good, atleast I don't have HPV virus

[ph2ter]

Lol I’m more north than Ukrainians on here?

No.
Left-down are Poles and Belarusians and up-right are the Greeks.

[ph2ter]

https://i.imgur.com/5cAx3yt.png

[Daos777]

I don't have the coordinates for other members and I don't see the sense in running my coordinates when I'm not from the Balkans. I'll run some population averages instead.

They all seem to get minor Roma, but only the Balkan Turk gets more Roma than you do. Make of that what you will.


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1728% / 0.03172848
Aggregated
78.6SLAVIC
15.0SCYTHIAN
6.0ROMA
0.4ILLYRIC

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.1757% / 0.01175706
Aggregated
54.4ILLYRIC
42.6SLAVIC
3.0ROMA

Target: Moldavian
Distance: 1.4816% / 0.01481557
Aggregated
65.2ILLYRIC
31.0SLAVIC
3.8ROMA

Target: Turkish_Balkans
Distance: 2.3210% / 0.02321014
Aggregated
37.8SCYTHIAN
34.4ILLYRIC
16.8ROMA
11.0SLAVIC

Target: Albanian
Distance: 2.1018% / 0.02101822
Aggregated
87.2ILLYRIC
10.6SLAVIC
2.2ROMA

Target: Greek
Distance: 1.8923% / 0.01892255
Aggregated
85.4ILLYRIC
11.4SLAVIC
3.2ROMA

Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 3.8206% / 0.03820554
Aggregated
88.4ILLYRIC
11.6ROMA

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.5498% / 0.01549847
Aggregated
55.0ILLYRIC
43.4SLAVIC
1.6ROMA

Target: Croatian
Distance: 0.8957% / 0.00895727
Aggregated
72.2SLAVIC
26.0ILLYRIC
1.4ROMA
0.4GERMANIC

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.8340% / 0.00834021
Aggregated
64.6SLAVIC
18.0ILLYRIC
12.4GERMANIC
4.0SCYTHIAN
1.0ROMA



That's true, but the same could apply to the other populations used by the OP.

Anyways, using Roma, he gets this:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.2073% / 0.03207324
Aggregated
78.4Ukrainian
12.6Romanian
8.8Roma
0.2Polish

With Gujarati instead of Roma:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.2306% / 0.03230586
Aggregated
75.0Ukrainian
21.0Romanian
3.4Gujarati
0.4Gagauz
0.2Polish

With Azeri added:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1859% / 0.03185915
Aggregated
81.2Ukrainian
10.2Romanian
6.8Azeri
1.6Gujarati
0.2Polish

With Turkish Kayseri added:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1823% / 0.03182266
Aggregated
82.4Ukrainian
7.6Turkish_Kayseri
7.4Romanian
1.8Gujarati
0.4Polish
0.4Azeri

Probably some ancient Indo-European component that indo-Europeans brought to India and everywhere else they went. That’s why it’s showing up for me, and that’s why Scythian is a proxy for it. :)

[Ljubic]

Croatians score 97% Eastern Europe and Russia in new update AncestryDNA, that means Croatians are 97% Slavic with Hook Nose and Mumbai Tan. Mystery solved everyone go home now!

Eastern Europe and Russia is a broad category in which South slavs have their own minor category. A Croat who scores 100% isnt the same as an Ukrainian scoring the same....

[Hulu]

https://i.postimg.cc/TYN56PTn/Opera-Instant-neo-2019-10-24-104923-vahaduo-github-io.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/y8JgYzNt/Opera-Instant-neo-2019-10-24-104953-vahaduo-github-io.png (https://postimages.org/)

I think these are rough calculators that just go by the biggest chunks you have, like Gedrosia K3

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?248332-Post-your-Gedrosia-K3&p=5205475&viewfull=1#post5205475

[Cumansky]

Eastern Europe and Russia is a broad category in which South slavs have their own minor category. A Croat who scores 100% isnt the same as an Ukrainian scoring the same....

Ukrainians wont score 100%. Checking my matches real quick they score between 50-90% Eastern Europe and Russia new update with me being on the higher end 81%

[Jana]

Eastern Europe and Russia is a broad category in which South slavs have their own minor category. A Croat who scores 100% isnt the same as an Ukrainian scoring the same....

Croats score Croatia, Bosnia and NE Italy under Eastern Europe on AncestryDNA. Just like they score Croatia and Bosnia under Balkan on 23andme. On both they are just matching Croatian reference samples.
Some people are apparently too dumb to understand that.

[Ford]

Eastern Europe and Russia is a broad category in which South slavs have their own minor category. A Croat who scores 100% isnt the same as an Ukrainian scoring the same....

Which is also why most mainstream tests are basically useless.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I think these are rough calculators that just go by the biggest chunks you have, like Gedrosia K3

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?248332-Post-your-Gedrosia-K3&p=5205475&viewfull=1#post5205475

This calculator wasn't designed for Southwestern Europeans (with the expection of Central and Southern Italians) so it doesn't give me the best fit but I can interpret why I got these results. Just translate Illyric to Mediterranean and Germanic to Western European and you get percentage wise more or less your average Iberian.

With that said, it is not the first time that Iberian members get high correlation with Illyrian samples, actually more so than 80% of the Balkan members here (usually South Slavs) for some reason that I did not fully understood yet but I assume they were somewhat similar to modern Iberians.

[Cumansky]

:flynch:

[Hulu]

This calculator wasn't designed for Southwestern Europeans (with the expection of Central and Southern Italians) so it doesn't give me the best fit but I can interpret why I got these results. Just translate Illyric to Mediterranean and Germanic to Western European and you get percentage wise more or less your average Iberian.

With that said, it is not the first time that Iberian members get high correlation with Illyrian samples, actually more so than 80% of the Balkan members here (usually South Slavs) for some reason that I did not fully understood yet but I assume they were somewhat similar to modern Iberians.

Yeah, myancient origins must use the same algorithm

[Adamastor]

Yeah, myancient origins must use the same algorithm

We have ancient Illyrian samples and they were Iberian-like.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Yeah, myancient origins must use the same algorithm

Myancient is even more odd. I get why I get overwhelmingly Illyric on this calculator because there's only 4 population references but myancient added samples from the Al-Andalus and Iberians keep getting Illyran as their first match.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

We have ancient Illyrian samples and they were Iberian-like.

Is there any PCA with those samples to see where they plot?

[Adamastor]

Myancient is even more odd. I get why I get overwhelmingly Illyric on this calculator because there's only 4 population references but myancient added samples from the Al-Andalus and Iberians keep getting Illyran as their first match.

Illyrian samples have been tested recently and they came out as Iberian-like. It's not rocket science, you scored them because they are the most similar to you in the calc. Anyway it seems not all Iberians have the same results, I've seen here in this forum some Spaniards getting ''Roman Hispania'' as first population. I have a cousin that is predominantly Iberian (roughly 60% Portuguese, 35% North Italian, 5% SSA) and he also got Roman Hispania.

[Adamastor]

Is there any PCA with those samples to see where they plot?

Not that I know, but in Eupedia they have a thread with kits from Illyrians and Thracians. You can check by yourself and maybe plot them if you want. I've seen a Portuguese guy here getting Thracians as first population in MyTrueAncestry, I suppose Thracians also had an Iberian shift.

[Hulu]

Illyrian samples have been tested recently and they came out as Iberian-like. It's not rocket science, you scored them because they are the most similar to you in the calc. Anyway it seems not all Iberians have the same results, I've seen here in this forum some Spaniards getting ''Roman Hispania'' as first population. I have a cousin that is predominantly Iberian (roughly 60% Portuguese, 35% North Italian, 5% SSA) and he also got Roman Hispania.

I also get Roman Hispania but not as 1st match

https://i.imgur.com/2nsR8VZ.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Illyrian samples have been tested recently and they came out as Iberian-like. It's not rocket science, you scored them because they are the most similar to you in the calc. Anyway it seems not all Iberians have the same results, I've seen here in this forum some Spaniards getting ''Roman Hispania'' as first population. I have a cousin that is predominantly Iberian (roughly 60% Portuguese, 35% North Italian, 5% SSA) and he also got Roman Hispania.

I've been absent for months so it seems I missed some stuff. My second closest ancient population on myancient is Gallo-Roman.

[vbnetkhio]

Is there any PCA with those samples to see where they plot?

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37981-Bronze-Age-Balkan-DNA

[Adamastor]

I've been absent for months so it seems I missed some stuff. My second closest ancient population on myancient is Gallo-Roman.

I got them as first population (my main ancestry is North Italian, but I also have Portuguese). It seems Gallo-Romans were more southern-shifted than Modern French, since French people usually get Germanic populations or other types of Celts first. Usually it's Southern Europeans scoring closer to Gallo-Romans.

Someone recently posted a thread stating that early continental Celts were Basque-like. It seems there was a big Basque/Iberian continuum in ancient Europe, Etruscans were also Basque-like.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37981-Bronze-Age-Balkan-DNA

Thank you. I see now, Illyrian sample from Croatia (Dalmatia) I3313 plots in the Iberian cluster. Makes sense now.

[Coastal Elite]

Illyrians probably had the best food out of all 4 groups. Good seafood.

[Ylla]

I have 90% Illyric 10% Slavic
https://i.postimg.cc/Hn0gZWHc/Screenshot-20191025-065518.jpg

[J. Ketch]

I think the addition of the Collegno outlier (East Med Greco-Roman) is necessary here. Got a bunch of people thinking they're pure bred Illyrians now.

https://i.postimg.cc/T11hXg2w/balkans.jpg

[ph2ter]

I think the addition of the Collegno outlier (East Med Greco-Roman) is necessary here. Got a bunch of people thinking they're pure bred Illyrians now.

https://i.postimg.cc/T11hXg2w/balkans.jpg

Interesting. We can play with the references, but my idea was to catch Balkan migration genetics.
In Balkan proper (Illyric, Pannonia, Thracia, Dacia) there wasn't much GrecoRoman - Illyrian distinctiveness.

[vbnetkhio]

Interesting. We can play with the references, but my idea was to catch Balkan migration genetics.
In Balkan proper (Illyric, Pannonia, Thracia, Dacia) there wasn't much GrecoRoman - Illyrian distinctiveness.

i think Thracians were more Anatolian admixed than any sample found in Szolad or Collegno. in one Balkan model i used Szolad, Collegno and Anatolia_IA and i think it was a good fit.

[Rgvgjhvv]

100% Illyric? What the heck does that mean :lol:

Anyone?

[Kaspias]

Anyone?

you are ancestor of bosniensis

[Rgvgjhvv]

you are ancestor of bosniensis

Goodbye TA

[MagnusDark]

We have ancient Illyrian samples and they were Iberian-like.

North Italic/Iberic like. Key word is "like". It was 2 samples from north-west Balkans. Not Illyria proper. Regardless, the Y-DNA of the Proto-Illyrian(J2b-L283) is more common in Albanians/Balkans and not really found in significant levels in Iberians. As would be expected. It comes from the paper "The Genomic History of South East Europe".

https://i.postimg.cc/PfwCG0tF/j2b.png

https://i.postimg.cc/4dMHvgXp/J2B2.png

[War Chef]

Gagauz are super-east Balkans.

In fact no one is better East-Balkans than Gagauz.

[MagnusDark]

I think the addition of the Collegno outlier (East Med Greco-Roman) is necessary here. Got a bunch of people thinking they're pure bred Illyrians now.

https://i.postimg.cc/T11hXg2w/balkans.jpg

Agreed. Ph2ter does wonderful work though. He takes alot of time to do all this. People just tend to misconstrue and take algorithms seriously despite how they may vary.

[War Chef]

Amazing how Slovenians are almost pure Slavic. And all this time I am thinking they had huge Germanic input, guess I'm wrong

[MagnusDark]

Anyone?

Don't take it serious. Think of it like this. If a calculator is based on only 4 components(none of which are ancient Greek in this instance) then the algorithm will find the next population genetically similar to your admixture. So in this instance you get Illyrian. Same works in reverse for Albanians for instance; when theres no Albanian reference, they will get a mix of Tuscan/Greek as a proxy. If you run a levantine/Arab on this calc, they will probably get Illyrian/Scythian mix, which wouldn't be indicative of true ancestry. Every calculator/algorithm depends on data. All this is advancing at a great pace though.

[Hulu]

#Most Illyrian ever

Target: Hulu
Distance: 3.0076% / 0.03007560
Aggregated
96.8 ILLYRIAN
3.2 SLAVIC

[Hulu]

Amazing how Slovenians are almost pure Slavic. And all this time I am thinking they had huge Germanic input, guess I'm wrong

I find that hard to believe too. But it depends on the samples they picked for Slavic and Germanic.

[Jana]

Amazing how Slovenians are almost pure Slavic. And all this time I am thinking they had huge Germanic input, guess I'm wrong

Pure Slavic ? Slovenian average is less Slavic than Croatian average.




Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.2183% / 0.01218260
Aggregated
56.2 ILLYRIC
41.2 SLAVIC
2.6 SCYTHIAN

Target: Greek
Distance: 2.1345% / 0.02134516
Aggregated
98.6 ILLYRIC
1.4 SLAVIC

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 1.7480% / 0.01747959
Aggregated
62.2 ILLYRIC
37.8 SLAVIC

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 1.4572% / 0.01457155
Aggregated
59.2 SLAVIC
38.8 ILLYRIC
2.0 SCYTHIAN

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.7526% / 0.01752587
Aggregated
63.8 ILLYRIC
34.6 SLAVIC
1.6 SCYTHIAN

Target: Albanian
Distance: 2.1162% / 0.02116235
Aggregated
89.0 ILLYRIC
11.0 SLAVIC

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.5600% / 0.01559979
Aggregated
56.6 ILLYRIC
43.4 SLAVIC

Target: Croatian
Distance: 0.9131% / 0.00913112
Aggregated
72.4 SLAVIC
26.4 ILLYRIC
0.8 SCYTHIAN
0.4 GERMANIC

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.8381% / 0.00838097
Aggregated
64.8 SLAVIC
18.2 ILLYRIC
11.4 GERMANIC
5.6 SCYTHIAN

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 1.1067% / 0.01106746
Aggregated
66.8 SLAVIC
29.8 ILLYRIC
3.4 GERMANIC

Target: Slovakian
Distance: 1.6283% / 0.01628289
Aggregated
72.0 SLAVIC
21.0 GERMANIC
5.4 ILLYRIC
1.6 SCYTHIAN

Target: Czech
Distance: 1.0250% / 0.01024974
Aggregated
61.0 SLAVIC
29.0 GERMANIC
10.0 ILLYRIC

Target: Polish
Distance: 1.3418% / 0.01341772
Aggregated
93.0 SLAVIC
7.0 GERMANIC

Target: Austrian
Distance: 0.7383% / 0.00738289
Aggregated
45.4 SLAVIC
31.2 GERMANIC
23.4 ILLYRIC

Target: German
Distance: 0.8092% / 0.00809154
Aggregated
60.4 GERMANIC
21.4 SLAVIC
18.2 ILLYRIC

Target: German_East
Distance: 1.0788% / 0.01078774
Aggregated
51.8 SLAVIC
37.6 GERMANIC
10.6 ILLYRIC

[Daos777]

I don't have the coordinates for other members and I don't see the sense in running my coordinates when I'm not from the Balkans. I'll run some population averages instead.

They all seem to get minor Roma, but only the Balkan Turk gets more Roma than you do. Make of that what you will.


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1728% / 0.03172848
Aggregated
78.6SLAVIC
15.0SCYTHIAN
6.0ROMA
0.4ILLYRIC

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.1757% / 0.01175706
Aggregated
54.4ILLYRIC
42.6SLAVIC
3.0ROMA

Target: Moldavian
Distance: 1.4816% / 0.01481557
Aggregated
65.2ILLYRIC
31.0SLAVIC
3.8ROMA

Target: Turkish_Balkans
Distance: 2.3210% / 0.02321014
Aggregated
37.8SCYTHIAN
34.4ILLYRIC
16.8ROMA
11.0SLAVIC

Target: Albanian
Distance: 2.1018% / 0.02101822
Aggregated
87.2ILLYRIC
10.6SLAVIC
2.2ROMA

Target: Greek
Distance: 1.8923% / 0.01892255
Aggregated
85.4ILLYRIC
11.4SLAVIC
3.2ROMA

Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 3.8206% / 0.03820554
Aggregated
88.4ILLYRIC
11.6ROMA

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.5498% / 0.01549847
Aggregated
55.0ILLYRIC
43.4SLAVIC
1.6ROMA

Target: Croatian
Distance: 0.8957% / 0.00895727
Aggregated
72.2SLAVIC
26.0ILLYRIC
1.4ROMA
0.4GERMANIC

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.8340% / 0.00834021
Aggregated
64.6SLAVIC
18.0ILLYRIC
12.4GERMANIC
4.0SCYTHIAN
1.0ROMA



That's true, but the same could apply to the other populations used by the OP.

Anyways, using Roma, he gets this:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.2073% / 0.03207324
Aggregated
78.4Ukrainian
12.6Romanian
8.8Roma
0.2Polish

With Gujarati instead of Roma:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.2306% / 0.03230586
Aggregated
75.0Ukrainian
21.0Romanian
3.4Gujarati
0.4Gagauz
0.2Polish

With Azeri added:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1859% / 0.03185915
Aggregated
81.2Ukrainian
10.2Romanian
6.8Azeri
1.6Gujarati
0.2Polish

With Turkish Kayseri added:


Target: Daos
Distance: 3.1823% / 0.03182266
Aggregated
82.4Ukrainian
7.6Turkish_Kayseri
7.4Romanian
1.8Gujarati
0.4Polish
0.4Azeri

Throw in some Kazan Tatar or Chuvash and you’ll see my Gypsoid score disappear.

[War Chef]

Pure Slavic ? Slovenian average is less Slavic than Croatian average.

No Germanic is what I meant.

I thought there was some overlap with Austrians

[Jana]

It's interesting how little Slavic Stears scores. Slavic admixture is def. overrated in Hungarians. Just because they plot north, doesn't mean they are very Slavic.
For example they are less Slavic than majority of Southern Slavs. What they have is lot of German, and steppe admixture (some minor Ural, Turk, Kavkaz etc)
Ofcourse there is southern influence too.

They are still more Slavic than anything else, but less than people stereotype them to be.
I guess in northeastern Hungary and Transcarpathia where lot of Hungarians have Rusyn and Slovak ancestry things could be different. Bit overall they are far from ''Magyarized Slavs''.
Hungarian DNA is quite complex and mixed.

[War Chef]

It's interesting how little Slavic Stears scores. Slavic admixture is def. overrated in Hungarians. Just because they plot north, doesn't mean they are very Slavic.
For example they are less Slavic than majority of Southern Slavs. What they have is lot of German, and steppe admixture (some minor Ural, Turk, Kavkaz etc)
Ofcourse there i southern influence too.

They are still more Slavic than anything else, but less than people stereotype them to be.
I guess in northeastern Hungary and Transcarpathia where lot of Hungarians have Rusyn and Slovak ancestry things could be different. Bit overall they are far from ''Magyarized Slavs''.
Hungarian DNA is quite complex and mixed.

Hungarians are diverse. I don't think they are all uniform. Depending on what region, or history of Danube Swabian ancestors. I seen Hungarian DNA results that are super-eastern, then others that are almost half-German.

There's no consistency, they're all over the place. :)

[Jana]

No Germanic is what I meant.

I thought there was some overlap with Austrians

They are overall clear Slavs, Germanic influence is overrated. Native Noricans though were probably not super southern and carried NW Euro like DNA too, so in Slovenians part can be from natives.
Austrians have much more Slavic (Slovenian primarly) blood than Slovenians have German, that is why they can look alike. Austrians are basically half Slavs on average.

[Jana]

Hungarians are diverse. I don't think they are all uniform. Depending on what region, or history of Danube Swabian ancestors. I seen Hungarian DNA results that are super-eastern, then others that are almost half-German.

There's no consistency, they're all over the place. :)

Yes, I agree. Lot of internal diversity among Hungarians. But those super-eastern ones are probably not very Slavic too.
Stears is very eastern for a Magyar, but he is only half Slav on here and in most other models I ran for him.

[War Chef]

They are overall clear Slavs, Germanic influence is overrated. Native Noricans though were probably not super southern and carried NW Euro like DNA too, so in Slovenians part can be from natives.
Austrians have much more Slavic (Slovenian primarly) blood than Slovenians have German, that is why they can look alike. Austrians are basically half Slavs on average.

Uncle Adolf was a self-hating semi-Slav. Both his parents were from north-Eastern Austria. History is crazy. xD

[Hulu]

They are overall clear Slavs, Germanic influence is overrated. Native Noricans though were probably not super southern and carried NW Euro like DNA too, so in Slovenians part can be from natives.
Austrians have much more Slavic (Slovenian primarly) blood than Slovenians have German, that is why they can look alike. Austrians are basically half Slavs on average.

Nah, they are close because there is nothing between them and this is a gradient, saying they are half or any size of slav it's inaccurate. The opposite is true, Slovenians by historical movements have sizable german, nothing suggests Austrians assimilated slavs.

[Leto]

They are overall clear Slavs, Germanic influence is overrated. Native Noricans though were probably not super southern and carried NW Euro like DNA too, so in Slovenians part can be from natives.
Austrians have much more Slavic (Slovenian primarly) blood than Slovenians have German, that is why they can look alike. Austrians are basically half Slavs on average.
Austrians are half Slavs? I don't think they get 50% Dutch, 50% Russian while Czechs actually do. Austrians and Czechs are not exactly identical.

[War Chef]

This is such a boyish Slavic face though. My dad had a similar appearance when he was younger, and there's nothing western about my dad.

https://i.imgur.com/NmSYFKS.png

[MercifulServant]

This is such a boyish Slavic face though. My dad had a similar appearance when he was younger, and there's nothing western about my dad.


Austrians are slavic

[Leto]

Slovenes don't cluster with most of the Yugoslavs. I don't consider them to be Balkanegroes. They're more like Central Europeans to me. I remember Hrvoje would identify as Central Euro too, he doesn't like the Balkans.

[Jana]

Nah, they are close because there is nothing between them and this is a gradient, saying they are half or any size of slav it's inaccurate. The opposite is true, Slovenians by historical movements have sizable german, nothing suggests Austrians assimilated slavs.

''Austria'' was founded after Bavarian colonists destroyed Slavic Caranthanian duchy. Do you think these people dissapeared ? Austrians from Graz are over 40% R1a.
Caranthania was proto-Slovenian state. And it's capital was in territory of modern Southern Austria.

Only western Austrians have no Slavic blood.

[War Chef]

Quote about Slavs from Adolph himself xD


As for the ridiculous hundred million Slavs, we will mould the best of them as we see fit, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pig-styes; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local inhabitants and civilising them, goes straight off into a concentration camp!


By the way, there is clear evidence the Tollense Battle archaeological site (roughly 1,000 B.C.) was won by a people with Slavic-like genetics, and this is being covered up by the German government. xD They are ashamed.

[MercifulServant]

Slovenes don't cluster with most of the Yugoslavs. I don't consider them to be Balkanegroes.

Russians look more non caucasoid and negroid then we do.

[Jana]

Austrians are half Slavs? I don't think they get 50% Dutch, 50% Russian while Czechs actually do. Austrians and Czechs are not exactly identical.

You are right. Austrians are more ''wog'' than Czechs. They have additional Med genetics Czechs lack. And Czechs are more Slavic ofc.
Austrians are closer to Slovenes and Hungarians than to Czechs.

[Leto]

Russians look more non caucasoid and negroid then we do.
We have no Negroid. And that was just a funny term (Balkanegro) I'd picked up somewhere on TA, I didn't imply any actual African influence.

[Jana]

My model for Austrians, they turn out more Slavic than Germanic


"sample": "Austrian:Average",
"fit": 0.8996,

"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 35.83,
"DEU_MA": 30,
"CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany": 20,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 14.17,

[Leto]

You are right. Austrians are more ''wog'' than Czechs. They have additional Med genetics Czechs lack. And Czechs are more Slavic ofc.
Austrians are closer to Slovenes and Hungarians than to Czechs.
Pretty sure Austrians are closer to Germans first and foremost than to Slovenes.

[Hulu]

''Austria'' was founded after Bavarian colonists destroyed Slavic Caranthanian duchy. Do you think these people dissapeared ? Austrians from Graz are over 40% R1a.
Caranthania was proto-Slovenian state. And it's capital was in territory of modern Southern Austria.

Only western Austrians have no Slavic blood.

Proto-Slovenian as in german-like not Slavic. I don't know about that R1a statistic but it doesn't prove that they have slav 40%

Slavs only settled in the 6th century there.

[Jana]

Slovenes don't cluster with most of the Yugoslavs. I don't consider them to be Balkanegroes. They're more like Central Europeans to me. I remember Hrvoje would identify as Central Euro too, he doesn't like the Balkans.

Croats are closest Slavs to Slovenians. I get more Slovenian than Croat on 23andme and I have no Slovene ancestry that I know of.
Btw, we have horrible relations and I don't really get it because Croats have nothing against Slovenes.

[Hulu]

Uncle Adolf was a self-hating semi-Slav. Both his parents were from north-Eastern Austria. History is crazy. xD

Often people on the border with slavs have more negative feelings about them due to direct contact and slav expansionism;)

[Jana]

Pretty sure Austrians are closer to Germans first and foremost than to Slovenes.


Proto-Slovenian as in german-like not Slavic. I don't know about that R1a statistic but it doesn't prove that they have slav 40%

Check my model. I used early Germanic, Slavic, Celtic and Roman samples.