Post your Italian percentage (23andme, AncestryDNA).

[Voskos]

23andme: 34% italian.
Ancestrydna: 40% Italian post update.

[Bakha]

Grazie a dio c e 0%

[Voskos]

Bump.

[PT Tagus]

23andMe: 7,9%

[Enr1989]

I got an increase at the last update 36% now 23 and me

[Seya]

10% on 23andme

[Seya]

and 23.9% on MyHeritage ))

[Benyzero]

3% Chao ragazzo mamma mio tutto Italiano

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

4.6%

[Voskos]

Anyone else?

[Hulu]

0 actually on 23andme. I used to have some but it disappeared with the latest update. I have 2.1% broadly southern European

[Adamastor]

23andme: 38%.


MyHeritage: 15%. And I'm predominantly Italian, I wonder which populations they use for ''Italian'' standard. I'm 42% Balkanic and 10% West Asian + Middle Eastern in MyHeritage, it basically sucked most of my Italian DNA lol.

[Leto]

23andme: 38%.


MyHeritage: 15%. And I'm predominantly Italian, I wonder which populations they use for ''Italian'' standard. I'm 42% Balkanic and 10% West Asian + Middle Eastern in MyHeritage, it basically sucked most of my Italian DNA lol.
Are you R1b? What are your HGs?

[JosephK]

My wife is a quarter Southern Italian (Calabrian), but not according to :

AncestryDNA: Italy, Southern Italy: 3%
23andMe: Italian: 9%

[Adamastor]

Are you R1b? What are your HGs?

I am R1b-L48. Well, I usually score WHG instead of EHG if that's what you asking. Balkanic from MyHeritage is likely some type of bullshit. I also score 6% Baltic lol.
But my K13 is typical for my admixture (North Italian + Portuguese + South Italian, somehow I plot in North Italy):

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 33.41
2 West_Med 23.17
3 East_Med 17.39
4 Baltic 16.95
5 West_Asian 5.62
6 Northeast_African 1.57
7 East_Asian 1.86

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 3.58
2 Portuguese 7.59
3 Spanish_Extremadura 8.18
4 Tuscan 8.3
5 Spanish_Murcia 8.56
6 Spanish_Valencia 9.01
7 Spanish_Galicia 9.22
8 Spanish_Cataluna 9.25
9 Spanish_Andalucia 9.47
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.61
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.73
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.47
13 French 12.48
14 Spanish_Aragon 13.29
15 Southwest_French 14.14
16 West_Sicilian 15.17
17 Italian_Abruzzo 15.5
18 Greek_Thessaly 15.69
19 Romanian 15.87
20 Bulgarian 16.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 29.4% Ashkenazi @ 1.76
2 52.9% Tuscan + 47.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.28
3 82.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 17.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.59
4 90.6% North_Italian + 9.4% Southeast_English @ 2.66
5 68.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.67
6 68.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.6% Central_Greek @ 2.68
7 82.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 17.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.68
8 83.8% North_Italian + 16.2% French @ 2.69
9 65.6% Spanish_Murcia + 34.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.72
10 92% North_Italian + 8% West_Scottish @ 2.72
11 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% North_Dutch @ 2.73
12 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% Danish @ 2.73
13 91.7% North_Italian + 8.3% Orcadian @ 2.74
14 62.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 37.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.75
15 91.4% North_Italian + 8.6% Southwest_English @ 2.76
16 92.6% North_Italian + 7.4% Norwegian @ 2.77
17 60.9% Tuscan + 39.1% French @ 2.77
18 92.2% North_Italian + 7.8% Irish @ 2.79
19 88.5% North_Italian + 11.5% West_German @ 2.79
20 88.9% North_Italian + 11.1% South_Dutch @ 2.8

[Leto]

I am R1b-L48. Well, I usually score WHG instead of EHG if that's what you asking. Balkanic from MyHeritage is likely some type of bullshit. I also score 6% Baltic lol.
But my K13 is typical for my admixture (North Italian + Portuguese + South Italian, somehow I plot in North Italy):

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 33.41
2 West_Med 23.17
3 East_Med 17.39
4 Baltic 16.95
5 West_Asian 5.62
6 Northeast_African 1.57
7 East_Asian 1.86

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 3.58
2 Portuguese 7.59
3 Spanish_Extremadura 8.18
4 Tuscan 8.3
5 Spanish_Murcia 8.56
6 Spanish_Valencia 9.01
7 Spanish_Galicia 9.22
8 Spanish_Cataluna 9.25
9 Spanish_Andalucia 9.47
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.61
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.73
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.47
13 French 12.48
14 Spanish_Aragon 13.29
15 Southwest_French 14.14
16 West_Sicilian 15.17
17 Italian_Abruzzo 15.5
18 Greek_Thessaly 15.69
19 Romanian 15.87
20 Bulgarian 16.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 29.4% Ashkenazi @ 1.76
2 52.9% Tuscan + 47.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.28
3 82.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 17.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.59
4 90.6% North_Italian + 9.4% Southeast_English @ 2.66
5 68.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.67
6 68.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.6% Central_Greek @ 2.68
7 82.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 17.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.68
8 83.8% North_Italian + 16.2% French @ 2.69
9 65.6% Spanish_Murcia + 34.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.72
10 92% North_Italian + 8% West_Scottish @ 2.72
11 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% North_Dutch @ 2.73
12 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% Danish @ 2.73
13 91.7% North_Italian + 8.3% Orcadian @ 2.74
14 62.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 37.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.75
15 91.4% North_Italian + 8.6% Southwest_English @ 2.76
16 92.6% North_Italian + 7.4% Norwegian @ 2.77
17 60.9% Tuscan + 39.1% French @ 2.77
18 92.2% North_Italian + 7.8% Irish @ 2.79
19 88.5% North_Italian + 11.5% West_German @ 2.79
20 88.9% North_Italian + 11.1% South_Dutch @ 2.8
Lol, by HGs I meant haplogroups, I didn't ask about your autosomal results but thanks. :D
You don't seem to have any Injun in your bloodline ;)

[Adamastor]

Lol, by HGs I meant haplogroups, I didn't ask about your autosomal results but thanks. :D
You don't seem to have any Injun in your bloodline ;)

I think I'm 99-100% European. Northeast African is part of the Portuguese genetic pool, I score even less than the average.

[Samnium]

My wife is a quarter Southern Italian (Calabrian), but not according to :

AncestryDNA: Italy, Southern Italy: 3%
23andMe: Italian: 9%Interesting, which part of Calabria ? (I guess Italian got sucked into other categories possibly MENA and/or greek)

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[Zroota]

Ancestrydna: 15% Greece/Italy

That was before though.

Now they updated the site and the Greece/Italy reading is 0%. Very odd. Either they fixed their system by making it more accurate, or they are verging on fraudulent. Let's hope it's the former for my money's sake.

[paradox]

Recent update Ancestry 21%

[bained]

7.2% on 23andme

[Erronkari]

7.0%
Very low since I have some Sicilian ancestry...

[Erronkari]

I am R1b-L48. Well, I usually score WHG instead of EHG if that's what you asking. Balkanic from MyHeritage is likely some type of bullshit. I also score 6% Baltic lol.
But my K13 is typical for my admixture (North Italian + Portuguese + South Italian, somehow I plot in North Italy):

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 33.41
2 West_Med 23.17
3 East_Med 17.39
4 Baltic 16.95
5 West_Asian 5.62
6 Northeast_African 1.57
7 East_Asian 1.86

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 3.58
2 Portuguese 7.59
3 Spanish_Extremadura 8.18
4 Tuscan 8.3
5 Spanish_Murcia 8.56
6 Spanish_Valencia 9.01
7 Spanish_Galicia 9.22
8 Spanish_Cataluna 9.25
9 Spanish_Andalucia 9.47
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.61
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.73
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.47
13 French 12.48
14 Spanish_Aragon 13.29
15 Southwest_French 14.14
16 West_Sicilian 15.17
17 Italian_Abruzzo 15.5
18 Greek_Thessaly 15.69
19 Romanian 15.87
20 Bulgarian 16.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 29.4% Ashkenazi @ 1.76
2 52.9% Tuscan + 47.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.28
3 82.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 17.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.59
4 90.6% North_Italian + 9.4% Southeast_English @ 2.66
5 68.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.67
6 68.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.6% Central_Greek @ 2.68
7 82.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 17.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.68
8 83.8% North_Italian + 16.2% French @ 2.69
9 65.6% Spanish_Murcia + 34.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.72
10 92% North_Italian + 8% West_Scottish @ 2.72
11 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% North_Dutch @ 2.73
12 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% Danish @ 2.73
13 91.7% North_Italian + 8.3% Orcadian @ 2.74
14 62.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 37.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.75
15 91.4% North_Italian + 8.6% Southwest_English @ 2.76
16 92.6% North_Italian + 7.4% Norwegian @ 2.77
17 60.9% Tuscan + 39.1% French @ 2.77
18 92.2% North_Italian + 7.8% Irish @ 2.79
19 88.5% North_Italian + 11.5% West_German @ 2.79
20 88.9% North_Italian + 11.1% South_Dutch @ 2.8

You are absolutely right.
Gedmatch has an old and at this time biased/obsolete system.
For example that 1.86% East Asian in you is absolutely unreliable and eventually WRONG.
I saw a lot of times western euros scoring East Asian or Siberian, and far more than 1%.
It doesn't make any sense.

[Inquizzzitor]

I am only 1/8th Sicilian (Messina), the remainder being predominantly British Isles with one French great-grandparent (from the exact center of France) yet before the latest 23andme update I was showing as 13.6% Italian plus 2.1% Greek/Balkan and 1.9% Spanish/Portuguese (all presumably from my Sicilian great-grandfather since none of those percentages would be coming from my British ancestors...). Now with the latest update, I show 11.2% Italian, 1.2% Spanish/Portuguese, the Greek/Balkan has disappeared entirely and there is now also 2.2% West Asia/North Africa (again, all of this presumably coming from my Sicilian ancestor). Seems I got more than 1/8th of his genes which is of course a possibility.

[Lucas]

interesting

[Samnium]

I am only 1/8th Sicilian (Messina), the remainder being predominantly British Isles with one French great-grandparent (from the exact center of France) yet before the latest 23andme update I was showing as 13.6% Italian plus 2.1% Greek/Balkan and 1.9% Spanish/Portuguese (all presumably from my Sicilian great-grandfather since none of those percentages would be coming from my British ancestors...). Now with the latest update, I show 11.2% Italian, 1.2% Spanish/Portuguese, the Greek/Balkan has disappeared entirely and there is now also 2.2% West Asia/North Africa (again, all of this presumably coming from my Sicilian ancestor). Seems I got more than 1/8th of his genes which is of course a possibility.Sicilian score between 20 and 30% MENA in average, what is the region of your sicilian relative ?

Sicilians can score Spanish and Portuguese because of the Spanish domination. Also some greek and balkan (even if not in the proportion of Apulia or Cosenza) since some greeks fled Ottomans (and even if you loose him).

[farke1]

0.

[PaleoEuropean]

I got an increase at the last update 36% now 23 and me

Whats your main ethnicity?

[Samnium]

Whats your main ethnicity?

I think he is italian by judging where he plots on PCA maps but I can't exclude also a more southern/northwestern mix.

[PaleoEuropean]

I think he is italian by judging where he plot on PCA but I can't exclude also a more southern/northwestern mix.

37% is low, I am thinking he is a Spanish descendant maybe.

[PaleoEuropean]

7.0%
Very low since I have some Sicilian ancestry...

I am not surprised you look hella Iberian with a maybe Celtic undertone

[Samnium]

37% is low, I am thinking he is a Spanish descendant maybe.

Humm... An euromix, like me then (French and S.Italian).

But you have pure N.Italians that show 40% French and German on 23andme, it's linked to the fact that the reference population for "Italian" is Italian-Americans, something like that (that are predominantly southern).

So I can't exclude the fact that he could be 100% italian, but it's true that 37% it's very low even with that explanation.

[PaleoEuropean]

Humm... An euromix, like me then.

But you have pure N.Italians that show 40% French and German on 23andme, it's linked to the fact that the reference population for "Italian" is Italian-Americans, something like that (that are predominantly southern).

Well yea thats true. Italy wasn't even ruled by Italians from 800's all the way up until the 1800's for about 1000 years it had German, French and Spanish kingdoms and nobility. Yea Most Italian Americans are Calabrian and Sicilian. They do the same for hispanics they use Americans when most Mexican Americans especially that came over before the 1980's were of Spanish descent when the majority have very little Spanish in them.

[Samnium]

Well yea thats true. Italy wasn't even ruled by Italians from 800's all the way up until the 1800's for about 1000 years it had German, French and Spanish kingdoms and nobility. Yea Most Italian Americans are Calabrian and Sicilian. They do the same for hispanics they use Americans when most Mexican Americans especially that came over before the 1980's were of Spanish descent when the majority have very little Spanish in them.

Anyway these "references populations" don't fit at all Italy who is very diverse, especially in the South. As I've said a lot of times there are very strong genetical differences, I think we should forgot the Italian category of 23andme.

[Enr1989]

Whats your main ethnicity?

I am Italian but my result is 23and me is mixed up

[Erronkari]

I am not surprised you look hella Iberian with a maybe Celtic undertone

Yes friend, you are totally right.
Probably I inherited more the iberian (basque/aragonese) side.
Genetics are a lottery for sure. ;)

[Inquizzzitor]

Sicilian score between 20 and 30% MENA in average, what is the region of your sicilian relative ?

Sicilians can score Spanish and Portuguese because of the Spanish domination. Also some greek and balkan (even if not in the proportion of Apulia or Cosenza) since some greeks fled Ottomans (and even if you loose him).

From Messina, which is consistently the farthest "south-eastern" shifting province in Sicily, similar genetics to portions of Calabria.

[Samnium]

From Messina, which is consistently the farthest "south-eastern" shifting province in Sicily, similar genetics to portions of Calabria.

Not surprinsing then. Messina is indeed the more "south-eastern" shifted province on par with some parts of Palermo as Madonie region and Caltanisseta. And I agree that there is a straight continuity between Messina and Reggio, because of the repopulation after telluric events but also because S.Calabria had a lot of jewish conversions, and armenians people. Reggio was an arab settlement by the way (no to mention that certainly people crossed the strait).

Actually there first result with more MENA that I have seen was from Messina with 40% MENA (23andme), the second 37% from Madonie Region, Palermo.

The strong discontinuity that exist it's between Cosenza and the rest of Calabrian provinces.

[Inquizzzitor]

Right. My West Asian ancestry (as opposed to generalized north African/west Asian component!) was recent enough to score a region on its own (North Africa alone did not). Again; I’m only 1/8th Messinese, the remainder being mostly British isles. I get the impression from history, and also just looking at my Sicilian family, that there is a strong Armenian or Armenian like genetic legacy.

[Luso]

Had Italian but it got erased on my ancestry test after the update. However, on Gedmatch I have a sizable amount.

[MinervaItalica]

Well yea thats true. Italy wasn't even ruled by Italians from 800's all the way up until the 1800's for about 1000 years it had German, French and Spanish kingdoms and nobility.

Dude what the fuck are you saying? There were states completely ruled by Italians.

Let's not turn this genetics thread into another twisted history one please. I've enough of Viejo and Bosniensis.

[Dr_Maul]

I have 0% on those but 5.5% on Eurogenes

[PaleoEuropean]

Dude what the fuck are you saying? There were states completely ruled by Italians.

Let's not turn this genetics thread into another twisted history one please. I've enough of Viejo and Bosniensis.

The pot calling the kettle black though.

[tipirneni]

I have 0% but I get good amount on 1-on-1 matches with Tuscan samples and Italy Copper Age shows up on my timeline with big bunch of Roman samples on MYTA

[Nelju]

Via Spaniards, although it is probably noise:

Ancestry
2% Sardinian
1% Italy

23andme
0%
But probably included somewhere in the 9.1% broadly Southern European.

[WhatsGoingOnBigGuy]

6% 23andme 0% ancestry