Who are most mixed Slavs ?

[Jana]

There are many threads about purest Slavs, but I am interested which Slavic group has most complex ethnogenesis (composed of most different influences) ?
Share your opinion.

[Jana]

Btw, thread is not about who has least Slavic admixture, but who is most mixed. Not the same thing.

[Kaspias]

Bulgarians

[Jana]

Bulgarians

What are they made of except Slavs and Thracians ? Could you show us ?

[Ford]

I'll take a wild guess and say Cossacks.

[Kaspias]

What are they made of except Slavs and Thracians ? Could you show us ?

If we had Proto-Slav and Thracian sample I could show by modeling. But in terms of history:

Slavs + Old Bulgars + Thracians + Native Greeks + Armenians + Ottomans. When you consider Old Bulgars were carrying a lot of different admixtures from Steppe to Central Asia it makes a crazy mixture.

[Sche]

Who has more different impurities? One who is in the center. These are Poles, Czechs and Croats. All Europe merged in them.

[Jana]

Who has more different impurities? One who is in the center. These are Poles, Czechs and Croats. All Europe merged in them.

Poles ?

[Sche]

I'll take a wild guess and say Cossacks.
Cossacks are different. The Don and Kuban Cossacks are a fairly purebred Slavic subethnos of the Russian people. Siberian Cossacks, yes, they share the first place in terms of confusion with the Poles.

[Sche]

Poles ?
Poles = Slavs, Balts, Germans, Balkans, Romans

[MustafaTekin]

Czechs?

[Jana]

I'll take a wild guess and say Cossacks.


Cossacks are different. The Don and Kuban Cossacks are a fairly purebred Slavic subethnos of the Russian people. Siberian Cossacks, yes, they share the first place in terms of confusion with the Poles.

Hmm. Ford may have a point. Kuban Cossacks seem to be of mixed Russian, Ukrainian and Circassian origins:

https://books.google.hr/books?id=NwvoM-ZFoAgC&pg=PA384&dq=kuban+cossacks&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-lZPTsLjlAhXGiVwKHYByCUgQ6AEIOjAD#v=onepage&q=kuban%20cossacks&f=false

[vbnetkhio]

There are many threads about purest Slavs, but I am interested which Slavic group has most complex ethnogenesis (composed of most different influences) ?
Share your opinion.

Ukrainians maybe? those academic samples on g25 show influence from the Chernakiv sample which was half Greek half Scandinavian(Gothic). the Greek could be from Greek colonists or from Gelonians as Peterski suggested.

and West Ukrainians could have Dacian, Celtic and Germanic and later some Romanian influence.

Zaporozhian Cossacks can also have some exotic admixtures...

and south Ukrainians have many recent foreign origins, but they all declare as Ukrainians today, does that count as a part of their ethnogenesis?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Serbia_(historical_province)


After the formation of New Serbia, its initial new settlers were Serbs, but also many Moldavians and other Romanians (Mocani from Transylvania), Ukrainians, Bulgarians and others settled in the area.

Because of the large number of Moldavian settlers, the largest ethnic group in the province in 1757 were not Serbs, but Moldavians.[1] In 1757, the population of New Serbia numbered 5,482 inhabitants, including:[2]

75.33% Moldavians
11.56% Serbs
13.11% others

[Jana]

^^^Yup :P Very interesting.

[Sche]

Hmm. Ford may have a point. Kuban Cossacks seem to be of mixed Russian, Ukrainian and Circassian origins:

https://books.google.hr/books?id=NwvoM-ZFoAgC&pg=PA384&dq=kuban+cossacks&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-lZPTsLjlAhXGiVwKHYByCUgQ6AEIOjAD#v=onepage&q=kuban%20cossacks&f=false
Do not confuse Caucasian Circassians with Slavic Circassians. "Cherkasy" is the Slavs Ukrainians. "Cirkessy" are Caucasians.

[21993]

Bulgarians maybe?

[Daos777]

Ukrainians maybe? those academic samples on g25 show influence from the Chernakiv sample which was half Greek half Scandinavian(Gothic). the Greek could be from Greek colonists or from Gelonians as Peterski suggested.

and West Ukrainians could have Dacian, Celtic and Germanic and later some Romanian influence.

Zaporozhian Cossacks can also have some exotic admixtures...

and south Ukrainians have many recent foreign origins, but they all declare as Ukrainians today, does that count as a part of their ethnogenesis?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Serbia_(historical_province)

So there is 0 chance that Ukrainians can have significant Scythian admixture?

[Crn Volk]

Russians

[Ford]

Cossacks are different. The Don and Kuban Cossacks are a fairly purebred Slavic subethnos of the Russian people. Siberian Cossacks, yes, they share the first place in terms of confusion with the Poles.

My understanding is that Kuban Cossacks are mainly descended from the Zaporozhe, but also to a lesser extent mixed with other Cossack hosts. So apart from Russian blood, they should also have Ukrainian, Polish, local Turkic peoples and North Caucasians (mainly Circassians). Perhaps even some Jewish, Balkan and more distant Germanic heritage through Goths.

From what I understand, being a Cossack has more been about a certain way of life rather than a defined ethnic group, so it would probably mean that outsiders could more easily be absorbed.

[Leto]

The Cossacks are Southern Russians, they are included in the Russian ethnicity in Russia. Anyway in 2019 they're just a shadow of their former selves, so who cares.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Ukrainians maybe? those


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Serbia_(historical_province)

Never knew of this, I did not know of areas colonized by both Slavs and Romanians in such a situation with them leaving and colonizing a new place. Also I'm not entirely sure whether those are Moldavians and not actually Banat Romanians, the places named there are all from regions in what is now West and South-West Romania where Serbs and Romanians have lived together for quite some time. There aren't any names that would indicate Moldavian origins. What is clear though is that the district is one of the furthest east where Moldavians still live, there are currently still 8.000 there as per wikipedia.

It's also stated that at the time when the Russians decided to call it new Serbia, a number of 200 houses existed where Poles and Moldavians lived, although there's no information on how many were Moldavians and how many Poles. The bulk of the migration east is then due to New Serbia, but there was a presence of Moldavians preceding this event as well.

[vbnetkhio]

So there is 0 chance that Ukrainians can have significant Scythian admixture?

i don't believe they have 0% of it. but i didn't see a genetic confirmation of it yet.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Ukrainians are a good bet. They're a mixture of many extinct peoples. Their geographical position indicates that many have past through with some settling in those lands.

Ukrainians are probably the most genetically diverse slavs. Members of this ethnos in high numbers can be similar to poles/czechs, belarussians/lithuanians, russians and even balkan slavs.

[Sche]

My understanding is that Kuban Cossacks are mainly descended from the Zaporozhe, but also to a lesser extent mixed with other Cossack hosts. So apart from Russian blood, they should also have Ukrainian, Polish, local Turkic peoples and North Caucasians (mainly Circassians). Perhaps even some Jewish, Balkan and more distant Germanic heritage through Goths.

From what I understand, being a Cossack has more been about a certain way of life rather than a defined ethnic group, so it would probably mean that outsiders could more easily be absorbed.
The Kuban Cossacks came from a mixture of the Don (Russian) Cossacks and Zaporozhye Cossacks,, about 50 to 50 and the slight influence of the Caucasian natives. In the days when the Kuban Cossacks were formed, Ukrainians did not exist. Ukrainians called themselves Russians. Do you know this?

[Rumata]

:D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X6eR6F-720&list=PLwxHAfODaJAV05hUg05fbYHTIm8w4UHTW&index=9

[Renekton]

Russians by far