Classify light-haired Turkish footballers as of Oct 2019 [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Tooting Carmen

10-29-2019, 02:56 PM

By this I include blonde, red and the lighter shades of brown. Although Turkey clearly has a much higher proportion of swarthy individuals than do Greece, Southern Italy or Spain, at the same time I don't think the percentage of Turks with light hair/eyes is dramatically lower than in those countries, and here are some examples:

Mert Gunok
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Mert_G%C3%BCnok_2013_2.jpg

Emre Belözoğlu
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Emre_crop.jpg

Yusuf Yazici
https://iaftm.tmgrup.com.tr/5550b5/632/314/0/0/632/314?u=https://iftm.tmgrup.com.tr/2019/04/03/trabzonsporda-yusuf-yazici-ligi-2-bitiririz-1554244476187.jpg

Serdar Aziz
https://foto.haberler.com/haber/2016/11/21/serdar-aziz-in-burnunda-kirik-tespit-edildi-8982120_6865_o.jpg

Tooting Carmen

10-29-2019, 07:39 PM

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The Blade

11-01-2019, 02:24 PM

1 - Nordocromagnid
2 - Atlantid
3 - Irano-Nordid
4 - Hallstatt Nordid

Zeno

11-01-2019, 03:07 PM

Akshually...
They have a significantly lower percentage of light hair and eyes than Greece or Spain. Anyways:

i) Nordid+CM
ii) Atlantid+Dinarid (don't know how that's light)
iii) Irano Nordid
iv)Nordid+Dinarid.

Kivan

11-01-2019, 06:14 PM

1. Subnordid + Brünn.
2. Atlantid.
3. Irano-Nordid.
4. Hallstatt Nordid.

The second is not light-haired(looks more like medium brown) and football teams from Turkey are not parameter to anything, since they have plenty of non-Turkish citizens, mixed people, gypsies and etc. Turkey may have higher proportion of swarthy people than Greece mainly because of minorities like gypsies and Arabs, not because of Turks, and also because you underestimate how dark Southern Europeans might be. Also, you could have picked more clear photos to represent them...

http://www.sporize.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/41232.jpg
https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture786-69fxjlh.png
https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture787-19pmjqn.png
https://static.fctables.com/upload/uc/ucwnu57c7847ace52b/serdar-aziz.jpg

KingOf

11-01-2019, 06:26 PM

The second is not light-haired(looks more like medium brown) and football teams from Turkey are not parameter to anything, since they have plenty of non-Turkish citizens, mixed people, gypsies and etc. Turkey may have higher proportion of swarthy people than Greece mainly because of minorities like gypsies and Arabs, not because of Turks, and also because you underestimate how dark Southern Europeans might be. Also, you could have picked more clear photos to represent them...

https://media.giphy.com/media/26FeYLNDVmtXzqMNy/giphy.gif

Kivan

11-01-2019, 06:28 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/26FeYLNDVmtXzqMNy/giphy.gif

Random Greeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJjtCdfOU4&t=327s

Random Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAKCIa3_Vgo&t=133s

KingOf

11-01-2019, 06:37 PM

Random Greeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJjtCdfOU4&t=327s

Random Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAKCIa3_Vgo&t=133s

I can give you West Anatolia... but still that's unfair to your other countrymen.

itilvolga

11-01-2019, 06:48 PM

Emre Belözoğlu is very typical, if you think he’s light haired, then, most of us are light haired.

Marmara

11-01-2019, 06:52 PM

How is Belözoğlu's hair light?

Enr1989

11-01-2019, 07:03 PM

Zeno

11-01-2019, 07:11 PM

Random Greeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJjtCdfOU4&t=327s

Random Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAKCIa3_Vgo&t=133s

You're so pathetic. Unironically. Even in these videos, Greeks look significantly lighter. Plus, you have chosen a video with western Turks (basically Islamised Greeks). Don't you think you're biased towards the majority of your countrymen?

TheMaestro

11-01-2019, 07:19 PM

Random Greeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJjtCdfOU4&t=327s

Random Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAKCIa3_Vgo&t=133s

LOOOOOL

itilvolga

11-01-2019, 07:20 PM

western Turks (basically Islamised Greeks).
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PowerlessForcefulBrownbutterfly-size_restricted.gif

Zeno

11-01-2019, 07:22 PM

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PowerlessForcefulBrownbutterfly-size_restricted.gif

You can deny it as much as you want, Iti. But Turks with over 50% ancestry are more than 50% of your compatriots.

KingOf

11-01-2019, 07:25 PM

Antalya at 16:22... typical South Euro pigments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuE1fpQK7mQ

Evrim

11-01-2019, 07:32 PM

You can deny it as much as you want, Iti. But Turks with over 50% ancestry are more than 50% of your compatriots.

Turks are mainly Oghuzs mixed in Iran. I prefer being Iranid mixed than Anatolian already.

Kivan

11-01-2019, 07:38 PM

Antalya at 16:22... typical South Euro pigments.

Antalya is a region close to Levant/Cyprus with a significant Arab minority, so not good representation of the country in general.

Here Central Anatolian Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFuXji0K2G4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsbxhJ3r8uA

Black Sea Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7P4QrDOtI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1NHOUPlizE

Marmara region Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLB8Gso819s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbZIr0UQIY4

Macedonian Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4CQmg-5SsM

Mediterranean region Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGtubEMTUdk

Don't make me laugh or try to mock anyone here when Greece has people who looks like this:
https://i.hizliresim.com/r2AJAN.jpg

KingOf

11-01-2019, 07:49 PM

Antalya is a region close to Levant/Cyprus with a significant Arab minority, so not good representation of the country in general.

You fool Mersin is closer to Levant than Antalya... why you posted that city?
So Antalya is not good represantation of the country but the North Macedonian Turks you post are?
Any Turk member here can confirm Antalya is mostly Turk and not Gaziantep or something like you try to present it... :picard2:

Dorian

11-01-2019, 07:58 PM

Tsampa asxoliste more ,i tipi zoune sallo planiti tora tha tous mathoume?afiste tous na pistevun ta dika tous ,gelan ki petres..

Kivan

11-01-2019, 08:06 PM

You fool Mersin is closer to Levant than Antalya... why you posted that city?
Where did i say otherwise? I simply said they have a big non-Turkish minority, which is true.

So Antalya is not good represantation of the country but the North Macedonian Turks you post are?
I posted Turks from both regions and there're a good amount of Turks in Turkey with Balkan Turkish ancestry. So according to your logic, Arabs are good representation of the Turks but the other actual Turks are not? :scratch:

I find it funny/ironic because most of the Nordicist Greeks of this forum are ashamed about Pontian and Anatolian Greeks, and always try to exclude them from representing Greeks and at same time they love to post the ones from Macedonia/Epirus as representation of all Greeks.

Any Turk member here can confirm Antalya is mostly Turk and not Gaziantep or something like you try to present it... :picard2:
The majority is ethnic Turkish but a big minority in the region is Arabic, especially Adana.
And i posted Turks from Mersin(province where more than 15% of the population is Kurdish), as you can see.

Also, it doesn't matter after since the majority of the Turks are from Western Anatolia and Balkans.

KingOf

11-01-2019, 08:15 PM

I find it funny/ironic because most of the Nordicist Greeks of this forum are ashamed about Pontian and Anatolian Greeks, and always try to exclude them from representing Greeks and at same time they love to post the ones from Macedonia/Epirus as representation of all Greeks.

You are in that category with the Nordicist Greeks about your country dude. Many members have said it.

Zeno

11-01-2019, 10:03 PM

Antalya is a region close to Levant/Cyprus with a significant Arab minority, so not good representation of the country in general.

Here Central Anatolian Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFuXji0K2G4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsbxhJ3r8uA

Black Sea Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7P4QrDOtI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1NHOUPlizE

Marmara region Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLB8Gso819s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbZIr0UQIY4

Macedonian Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4CQmg-5SsM

Mediterranean region Turks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGtubEMTUdk

Don't make me laugh or try to mock anyone here when Greece has people who looks like this:
https://i.hizliresim.com/r2AJAN.jpg

This man is half African. How's he Greek?

bandeirante

11-01-2019, 10:21 PM

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PowerlessForcefulBrownbutterfly-size_restricted.gif

turks are mix greek?

archangel

11-01-2019, 10:55 PM

At least ethnic Türks have Northern steppe ancestry whereas Greeks have always been a southerns ethnic group:cool:

catgeorge

11-01-2019, 11:14 PM

At least ethnic Türks have Northern steppe ancestry whereas Greeks have always been a southerns ethnic group:cool:

lol I sure hope you are not trying to represent this as typical Turk in Istanbul. C'mon now....all I saw were Asiatic-Iranics with small skulls. Unless things have drastically changed from six years ago. I doubt it.

Samnium

11-01-2019, 11:16 PM

lol I sure hope you are not trying to represent this as typical Turk in Istanbul. C'mon now....all I saw were Asiatic-Iranics with small skulls. Unless things have drastically changed from six years ago. I doubt it.

And he over-estimates the amount of steppe in Turks, Greeks have in average 33% Steppe, Turks can have maximum 25% (with a lot of variations) so...

archangel

11-01-2019, 11:21 PM

lol I sure hope you are not trying to represent this as typical Turk in Istanbul. C'mon now....all I saw were Asiatic-Iranics with small skulls. Unless things have drastically changed from six years ago. I doubt it.

Ehh İstanbul is migrant city with full of foreigners such as arabs/kurds/greeks/armenians etc...
Iranics and Greeks have more in common compared to ethnic Türks you know you güys have been in touch for couple of thousand years:cool:
Racially Greeks are supposed to be indistinguishable from other southern groups so any light individual should have a foreign ancestry

catgeorge

11-01-2019, 11:25 PM

Ehh İstanbul is migrant city with full of foreigners such as arabs/kurds/greeks/armenians etc...
Iranics and Greeks have more in common compared to ethnic Türks you know you güys have been in touch for couple of thousand years

I am not disputing that.

I am only telling you what I saw - if I was to classify the populace as a whole it would be Asiatic-Iranic type mixed breed. People on the street were friendly but still it remains the people were Asiatic-Iranic.

archangel

11-01-2019, 11:25 PM

And he over-estimates the amount of steppe in Turks, Greeks have in average 33% Steppe, Turks can have maximum 25% (with a lot of variations) so...

Greeks dont have any steppe ancestry, how can they have? They are a bunch of olive eater dark meds:cool:

Samnium

11-01-2019, 11:30 PM

Greeks dont have any steppe ancestry, how can they have? They are a bunch of olive eater dark meds:cool:

You should go and see Global25 models for Greek average, 33% Steppe (that can be modeled with populations as CZE Early_Slav).

I really doubt that Turks would come with the same amount of Steppe that greeks, being more southern-shifted than North Caucasians that are the caucasian/west asian people that have the most Steppe ancestry (something around 30/33% in the same "latitude" that Greeks).

archangel

11-01-2019, 11:32 PM

I am not disputing that.

I am only telling you what I saw - if I was to classify the populace as a whole it would be Asiatic-Iranic type mixed breed. People on the street were friendly but still it remains the people were Asiatic-Iranic.

As i Said İstanbul is a migrant city especially touristic places are full of kurds /arabs even afghans etc but i will tell you what i observed about Greece without any trolling

Many Greeks look no different than arabs form Levant and Egyptians/NA
Wide noses combined with med/tan skin is common among Greeks

archangel

11-01-2019, 11:36 PM

You should go and see Global25 models for Greek average, 33% Steppe (that can be modeled with populations as CZE Early_Slav).

I really doubt that Turks would come with the same amount of Steppe that greeks, being more southern-shifted than North Caucasians that are the non-europeans that have the most Steppe ancestry (something around 30/33% in the same "latitude" that Greeks).

İ am talking about ethnic Türks here dude anyways lookwise there are more Türks who would pass in Northern Euroasia compared to Greeks

catgeorge

11-01-2019, 11:36 PM

As i Said İstanbul is a migrant city especially touristic places are full of kurds /arabs even afghans etc but i will tell you what i observed about Greece without any trolling

Many Greeks look no different than arabs form Levant and Egyptians/NA
Wide noses combined with med/tan skin is common among Greeks

60% of Greeks are Mediterraneans and Pontids. What did you expect to see? lol.. were inbetween Greek Islands and Central/South Italy.

You are some where in between Central Anatolia - Afghanistan and Iran. Your genetics show it as well. So please grow a brain within that small skull of yours.

Kivan

11-01-2019, 11:37 PM

And he over-estimates the amount of steppe in Turks, Greeks have in average 33% Steppe, Turks can have maximum 25% (with a lot of variations) so...

This is only for Greeks in the North. Greeks in other regions and Islanders score less, Cypriot Greeks way less, Pontian Greeks(who are a good percentage of modern Greece's population) score almost 0%. Anatolian Turks ranges from 15 to 25% depending on the region and Balkan Turks score higher than 30% generally.

We don't have to forgot the millions of assimilated Vlachs, Albanians, etc who live in Northern Greece(incl. catgeorge).

archangel

11-01-2019, 11:41 PM

60% of Greeks are Mediterraneans and Pontids. What did you expect to see? lol.. were inbetween Greek Islands and Central/South Italy.

You are some where in between Central Anatolia - Afghanistan and Iran. Your genetics show it as well. So please grow a brain within that small skull of yours.

I am just telling what i see dude lol, The amount of Türks who would pass in North Euroasia is much higher compared to Greeks, we have real steppe ancestry form Tatars and other Türkic peoples whereas Greeks have always been a southern med population

catgeorge

11-01-2019, 11:44 PM

I am just telling what i see dude lol, The amount of Türks who would pass in North Euroasia is much higher compared to Greeks, we have real steppe ancestry form Tatars and other Türkic peoples whereas Greeks have always been a southern med population

Now you're starting to talk sense but your genetics is still shifted towards Iran not Russia. Don't blame us, just go through your genetic results and have a look.

Samnium

11-01-2019, 11:52 PM

This is only for Greeks in the North. Greeks in other regions and Islanders score less, Cypriot Greeks way less, Pontian Greeks(who are a good percentage of modern Greece's population) score almost 0%. Anatolian Turks ranges from 15 to 25% depending on the region and Balkan Turks score higher than 30% generally.

We don't have to forgot the millions of assimilated Vlachs, Albanians, etc who live in Northern Greece(incl. catgeorge).

Islanders have still 20/23% Steppe so his troll : Greeks dont have any steppe ancestry don't make any sense. Maniots (that are the less slavicized greeks) are above 25%. Pontian and Cypriot Greeks are another thing, they are rather hellenized people than really genetically greeks (Cypriots can be modeled as half aegean and half Levantine).

On average if we take Islanders (excluding Cyprus)+ Mainlanders, I really doubt that Turks have more Steppe on average.

Dorian

11-02-2019, 12:09 AM

we have real steppe ancestry form Tatars

Who cares bruh?when it comes into contact with chink one it becomes degenerated ,it's for the trash can :p ...I mean even blacks in america can claim they have some but what would be the difference?

Kivan

11-02-2019, 12:12 AM

Islanders have still 20/23% Steppe so his troll : Greeks dont have any steppe ancestry don't make any sense. Maniots (that are the less slavicized greeks) are above 25%. Pontian and Cypriot Greeks are another thing, they are rather hellenized people than really genetically greeks (Cypriots can be modeled as half aegean and half Levantine).

On average if we take Islanders (excluding Cyprus)+ Mainlanders, I really doubt that Turks have more Steppe on average.

Maybe, but the difference is that Greek population is little and more homogeneous if compared to all the Turks, so not fair comparison.
Northern Greeks should be compared to Macedonian/Thracian Turks while Eastern Turks should be compared to Pontians.

archangel

11-02-2019, 12:14 AM

Maybe, but the difference is that Greek population is little if compared to all the Turks, so not fair comparison.
Northern Greeks should be compared to Macedonian/Thracian Turks while Eastern Turks should be compared to Pontians.

Those so called Greeks who score higher than usual steppe ancestry are not ethnic Greeks at all my friend.They are either Slavs or assimilated mediveal Türks such as Cumans or Kıpchaks.

KingOf

11-02-2019, 12:34 AM

Those so called Greeks who score higher than usual steppe ancestry are not ethnic Greeks at all my friend.They are either Slavs or assimilated mediveal Türks such as Cumans or Kıpchaks.

These are the Turks...
Your brothers...
Don't you recognise them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8fQG3uX92M

Zroota

11-02-2019, 02:21 AM

I am just telling what i see dude lol, The amount of Türks who would pass in North Euroasia is much higher compared to Greeks, we have real steppe ancestry form Tatars and other Türkic peoples whereas Greeks have always been a southern med population
I actually agree with this. Greeks are not "Eurasian" as their ancestry is predominantly Southern European, perhaps with some influence from the northwest as well. Hence, it makes more reasonable sense that Turks would be more Eurasian steppe shifted than Greeks, considering their location. In other words, Greeks are more inclusively European.

P.S. Nobody is saying one group is 'whiter' and the other is 'darker'. I'm just going by geographical and genetic sense, regardless of colour.

Zeno

11-02-2019, 09:50 AM

Greeks dont have any steppe ancestry, how can they have? They are a bunch of olive eater dark meds:cool:

And you're Mongoloid-Greek mutts. Your trolling is pathetic, and regardless of that, your ethnic group is constantly going to be assblasted because of people like you. You're just giving excuses to anyone to mock, troll and flabbergast you to death.

Zeno

11-02-2019, 09:52 AM

Those so called Greeks who score higher than usual steppe ancestry are not ethnic Greeks at all my friend.They are either Slavs or assimilated mediveal Türks such as Cumans or Kıpchaks.

Guess what?
You're fucking delusional. Stop it. Just stop. You have never made a constructive comment in here.