Classify And Place Serial Killer John Wayne Gacy

[alnortedelsur]

https://www.biography.com/.image/c_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Ch_400%2Cq_auto :good%2Cw_620/MTE5NDg0MDU1MjM2NDc4NDc5/john-wayne-gacy-10367544-2-402.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Johnwaynegacyrosalynncarter.jpg

[Zroota]

Brunn + Alpine

Western Europe. But does look pan European too...

[Grace O'Malley]

He was of Polish and Danish ancestry.

[Creoda]

He was of Polish and Danish ancestry.
First thought looking at the first picture was 'Polak'.

[alnortedelsur]

He was of Polish and Danish ancestry.

Do you think he would have passed as Irish?

[Grace O'Malley]

Do you think he would have passed as Irish?

I guess he could pass but he doesn't look particularly Irish. Irish-American Brian Dennehy played him in a movie but possibly I'm going full anthrotard here and think you can see the differences.

http://wikipicky.com/uploads/celebrity/Brian%20Dennehy.jpg

[♥ Lily ♥]

I think he looks extremely like his sister and siblings that I've seen in documentaries about that evil clown killer and sick paedophile who raped and murdered young boys. I see Borreby and Alpine in his features. I think he looks Polish-American.

[alnortedelsur]

In Europe, I see him passing better in North eastern Europe, and eastern Central Europe (East Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, etc), but I'm interested in other people's opinions.

[alnortedelsur]

I think he looks extremely like his sister and siblings that I've seen in documentaries about that evil clown killer and sick paedophile who raped and murdered young boys. I see Borreby and Alpine in his features. I think he looks Polish-American.

Do you think he could pass as an Englishman?

[chociprasa]

Baltid.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Do you think he could pass as an Englishman?

No, the wide head and broad neck and shoulders are something that's mostly seen in the U.S. He looks American first and foremost as he looks very solid and strong built. His eye shape looks kind of Polish though.

https://www.biography.com/.image/c_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Ch_400%2Cq_auto :good%2Cw_620/MTE5NDg0MDU1MjM2NDc4NDc5/john-wayne-gacy-10367544-2-402.jpg

Something I've noticed about a lot of Americans is that they appear to have a larger bone structure to most Europeans (noticeably larger skulls and broader shoulder bones,) and larger features than most Europeans. And I've also noticed this with Black Americans and Asian Americans as well as in Americans of European descent.... they have an American look about them with larger necks, wider skulls, broader shoulder spans, more prominent jaws, taller heights, wider mouths and larger smiles, larger eyes and features, etc, than people generally have in Asian nations and in Black nations and in European nations.

https://www.essence.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/GettyImages-1177787992-1920x1080.jpg

I don't know whether this is due to something in the minerals of the farm crops over there, something in their milks or meats, or something in the cliimate and air over there, which makes them have an American look about them regardless of where their ancestors lived.

Donald Trump is another example of someone who looks very American. He's tall with very broad shoulder span, a wide skull and neck, strong and solid looking bone structure... and well, overly bleached teeth is usually another giveaway too as that aesthetic is more popular in the U.S. I don't see him passing as a native in Scotland or Germany, even though his ancestors lived there.

Look at the breadth of his huge shoulder bone span, wide skull, and hardened features and expressions.
https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/donald-trump-2.jpg

Vanilla Ice (Robert Matthew Van Winkle) is another one with a strong American look. https://assets.dmagstatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/vanilla-ice.jpg

I've often been able to tell when people are American just by their physical appearance and without hearing their accents. Not always, but most of the time I can instantly tell when someone's American.

An American woman in London once wrote that she knows when someone is an American here on trains as she said she can tell by their foreheads and skulls.

(A Russian person living here said they can tell elderly Russian men apart from elderly British men.... by baldness alone. They said in Russia it's a different type of baldness that older men have there. I'm generally able to tell them apart by their facial features and skull shapes, but I wouldn't be able to tell them apart by only looking at the backs of their heads or by baldness patterns - but the trained eye can.)

He looks so distinctly American in this pic with his broad skull and shoulderbones, massive neck, hardened features and tough/hard facial expressions like American cowboys and US military soldiers tend to have. I can't see him passing anywhere outside of the States.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15116062/2010/12/john_wayne_gacy_1207.jpg?w=420

[Latinus]

Alpine-Brunn, I would say.
He could fit in all Europe, I think.
And looking more white American than anything else doesn't mean that particular person can't pass in Europe.
Many New World whites have a distinct vibe from European, yes, but not to the point of not passing in Europe at all, New Worlders that can't pass in the Old World are obviously mixed race ones.

[alnortedelsur]

Alpine-Brunn, I would say.
He could fit in all Europe, I think.
And looking more white American than anything else doesn't mean that particular person can't pass in Europe.
Many New World whites have a distinct vibe from European, yes, but not to the point of not passing in Europe at all, New Worlders that can't pass in the Old World are obviously mixed race ones.

Totally agree.

How well do you think he could pass as white Brazilian?

[Latinus]

Totally agree.

How well do you think he could pass as white Brazilian?

Hum... not a textbook type, but still common enough. Maybe 8/10 when it comes to how common is his phenotype among our white population.

[alnortedelsur]

Hum... not a textbook type, but still common enough. Maybe 8/10 when it comes to how common is his phenotype among our white population.

Thinking about it well, I still think he could fit the best in eastern-Central and North east Europe, but at the same time, I agree with you he was very pan-European. He would convincingly pass as ethnic Spaniard or Portuguese, or even Italian, and by extension as Spanish, Italian or Portuguese descend white Venezuelan.

[Grace O'Malley]

I personally do not see him as pan-European and don't think he would be typical of a lot of places. I would not think he was Spanish, Portuguese or Italian for example. He has a eastern vibe which is not surprising in that he has Polish ancestry. People are of course free to express their own particular opinion on this. To me when someone says does someone pass I don't think of unusual types but look to the general population.

[alnortedelsur]

I personally do not see him as pan-European and don't think he would be typical of a lot of places. I would not think he was Spanish, Portuguese or Italian for example. He has a eastern vibe which is not surprising in that he has Polish ancestry. People are of course free to express their own particular opinion on this. To me when someone says does someone pass I don't think of unusual types but look to the general population.

He would not be typical in those three countries, but he would not stand out much either. He had some resemblance to a Spanish friend of mine back in Spain. It is not impossible to find light and robust Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians with similar looks.

[Grace O'Malley]

He would not be typical in those three countries, but he would not stand out much either. He had some resemblance to a Spanish friend of mine back in Spain. It is not impossible to find light and robust Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians with similar looks.

Nothing to do with his colouring but his features. As I've said he doesn't look particularly Irish either. He just doesn't look like someone from those populations IMO. He doesn't look pan-European as I've already stated above. Anyway possibly others will comment. :)

[alnortedelsur]

Nothing to do with his colouring but his features. As I've said he doesn't look particularly Irish either. He just doesn't look like someone from those populations IMO. He doesn't look pan-European as I've already stated above. Anyway possibly others will comment. :)

Well, I already admitted that he fits the best in North eastern and east Central Europe.

[Latinus]

He would not be typical in those three countries, but he would not stand out much either. He had some resemblance to a Spanish friend of mine back in Spain. It is not impossible to find light and robust Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians with similar looks.

Yes, in order to pass somewhere you don't need to look like their most typical types, just not very diferent.
He doesn't look Iberian or Italian, but he pass there, specially to non-anthrotards.

By this logic you wouldn't pass in Venezuela.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, in order to pass somewhere you don't need to look like their most typical types, just not very diferent.
He doesn't look Iberian or Italian, but he pass there, specially to non-anthrotards.

By this logic you wouldn't pass in Venezuela.

I think everyone would pass in Venezuela. They are a new world mix and not just one ethnicity. I think you guys have a very broad definition of "passing" where it becomes meaningless. No malice or offence in this but I just disagree.

[Latinus]

I think everyone would pass in Venezuela. They are a new world mix and not just one ethnicity. I think you guys have a very broad definition of "passing" where it becomes meaningless. No malice or offence in this but I just disagree.

True, the whole world fits in Venezuela, but a Nordid type will be perceived as Gringo(a) looking even if s(he) is a national, which is not the case of Meds or Berids.
To me, passing means that people wouldn't doubt you're a native if you keep your mouth shut or talk/act like them.

Of course, most British Islanders and Iberians/Italians look clearly distinct, for example.

[Creoda]

I personally do not see him as pan-European and don't think he would be typical of a lot of places. I would not think he was Spanish, Portuguese or Italian for example. He has a eastern vibe which is not surprising in that he has Polish ancestry. People are of course free to express their own particular opinion on this. To me when someone says does someone pass I don't think of unusual types but look to the general population.
He is to me a stereotypical looking Pole, I actually wouldn't place him as anything else, even though he's only half.

[alnortedelsur]

I think everyone would pass in Venezuela. They are a new world mix and not just one ethnicity. I think you guys have a very broad definition of "passing" where it becomes meaningless. No malice or offence in this but I just disagree.

I don't think Conan O'Brien:

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/conan-obrien-korea.jpg?w=1000

Or Leven Rambin:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/greysanatomy/images/8/8e/LevenRambin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130327153514

Could even remotely pass in Venezuela. Not even as white Venezuelans.

[Latinus]

I don't think Conan O'Brien:

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/conan-obrien-korea.jpg?w=1000

Or Leven Rambin:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/greysanatomy/images/8/8e/LevenRambin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130327153514

Could even remotely pass in Venezuela. Not even as white Venezuelans.Aren't there people of German ancestry in Venezuela that could resemble them?

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[Grace O'Malley]

I don't think Conan O'Brien:

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/conan-obrien-korea.jpg?w=1000

Or Leven Rambin:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/greysanatomy/images/8/8e/LevenRambin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130327153514

Could even remotely pass in Venezuela. Not even as white Venezuelans.

Conan is unusual everywhere. :)

[alnortedelsur]

Aren't there people of German ancestry in Venezuela that could resemble them?

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At least in the German towns of La Colonia Tovar and El Jarillo, most of their inhabitants are of southern German and Austrian descent, who have more Central Euro look in General (like Gacy).

There are some few very Nordic looking white Venezuelans, but they were always a ridiculously small minority among the minority of white Venezuelans. This talking about the Venezuelan middle and upper class.

There might be some individuals here and there with those super Nordic looks in those German towns, but much less than the more central-Euro looking ones.

[Maintenance]

Nothing to do with his colouring but his features. As I've said he doesn't look particularly Irish either. He just doesn't look like someone from those populations IMO. He doesn't look pan-European as I've already stated above. Anyway possibly others will comment. :)

Yea i don't see him passing in Scandinavia or Finland either.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yea i don't see him passing in Scandinavia or Finland either.

He's got Danish ancestry so yes I do see him passing in Denmark and Germany.

[Maintenance]

He's got Danish ancestry so yes I do see him passing in Denmark and Germany.

I don't see any danish in him.

If i had to pick 2 countries for him i would pick poland and USA, he seem foreign to europe to me except poland.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't see any danish in him.

If i had to pick 2 countries for him i would pick poland and USA, he seem foreign to europe to me except poland.

He has that Borreby look that some Danes have. Why USA? Just curious for your reasons if you think he looks foreign in all Euro countries except Poland? I do agree that he has a more Eastern European look IMO. So not in as much disagreement with you as I would be to people saying he is pan-Euro.

[♥ Lily ♥]

He has that Borreby look that some Danes have. Why USA? Just curious for your reasons if you think he looks foreign in all Euro countries except Poland? I do agree that he has a more Eastern European look IMO. So not in as much disagreement with you as I would be to people saying he is pan-Euro.

I know what you mean about the Borreby look that some Danes have, and I see some Danish distantly reflected in Gacy's face... but his skull, neck, and shoulders are very broad and hardened facial expressions, and so he looks very American to me.

I can't see him passing in Denmark nor anywhere outside of the U.S. for these reasons: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306037-Classify-And-Place-Serial-Killer-John-Wayne-Gacy/page2

He doesn't look like the average Danish person. He looks American.

Danish borreby people:
https://www.feltet.dk/octo_cms/files/Feltet.dk/Billeder/2010/Lob/Post_Danmark_Rundt/3_etape/PDR2010_3etape_Bjarne_Riis_1.jpg
https://www.bloggportalen.se//blogportalimages/avatars/originals/26802.png

I think this English historian and comedian who descends from Austrian nobility and Scottish aristocracy has a borreby look about him. I think he may pass in Denmark.
https://fwi-wp-assets-live.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/sites/1/2017/07/210717-Al-Murray-c-Vianney-Le-Caer-REX-Shutterstock-rexfeatures_8960431z.jpg

I think English borreby Emma Bunton could pass in Denmark.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/tv/2017/03/20/emma-bunton_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqAJKf8gPvN_ApGppqLcR-MOmNo9hunzPPiGzheIFZRzE.jpg?imwidth=480

But John Wayne Gacy's skull is too big to pass as a native in Europe.
https://www.biography.com/.image/c_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Ch_400%2Cq_auto :good%2Cw_620/MTE5NDg0MDU1MjM2NDc4NDc5/john-wayne-gacy-10367544-2-402.jpg

He looks even more American when seen in multiple angles and dimensions on video camera.

7:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQ0rKi2KqA

[RenaRyuguu]

Yeah he looks smth Scando but atypical for sure

[Maintenance]

I know what you mean about the Borreby look that some Danes have, and I see some Danish distantly reflected in Gacy's face... but his skull, neck, and shoulders are very broad and hardened facial expressions, and so he looks very American to me.

I can't see him passing in Denmark nor anywhere outside of the U.S. for these reasons: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306037-Classify-And-Place-Serial-Killer-John-Wayne-Gacy/page2

He doesn't look like the average Danish person. He looks American.



Agreed

[Pater Patota]

He can pass as Serbian I think.

[AlfonsoVIII]

"Gacy" is a Polish surname?

[Grace O'Malley]

"Gacy" is a Polish surname?

His paternal grandparents (who spelled the family name as "Gatza" or "Gaca") had immigrated to the United States from Poland (then part of Germany).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy

A lot of people have changed their names when migrating. I knew a German origin family that changed their name to Jones of all things. :)

[Grace O'Malley]

I know what you mean about the Borreby look that some Danes have, and I see some Danish distantly reflected in Gacy's face... but his skull, neck, and shoulders are very broad and hardened facial expressions, and so he looks very American to me.

I can't see him passing in Denmark nor anywhere outside of the U.S. for these reasons: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306037-Classify-And-Place-Serial-Killer-John-Wayne-Gacy/page2

He doesn't look like the average Danish person. He looks American.

Danish borreby people:
https://www.feltet.dk/octo_cms/files/Feltet.dk/Billeder/2010/Lob/Post_Danmark_Rundt/3_etape/PDR2010_3etape_Bjarne_Riis_1.jpg
https://www.bloggportalen.se//blogportalimages/avatars/originals/26802.png

I think this English historian and comedian who descends from Austrian nobility and Scottish aristocracy has a borreby look about him. I think he may pass in Denmark.
https://fwi-wp-assets-live.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/sites/1/2017/07/210717-Al-Murray-c-Vianney-Le-Caer-REX-Shutterstock-rexfeatures_8960431z.jpg

I think English borreby Emma Bunton could pass in Denmark.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/tv/2017/03/20/emma-bunton_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqAJKf8gPvN_ApGppqLcR-MOmNo9hunzPPiGzheIFZRzE.jpg?imwidth=480

But John Wayne Gacy's skull is too big to pass as a native in Europe.
https://www.biography.com/.image/c_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Ch_400%2Cq_auto :good%2Cw_620/MTE5NDg0MDU1MjM2NDc4NDc5/john-wayne-gacy-10367544-2-402.jpg

He looks even more American when seen in multiple angles and dimensions on video camera.

7:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQ0rKi2KqA

He does have Danish ancestry apparently although his mother's name was Marion Elaine Robinson so he's obviously not just Danish on that side of the family. He is definitely half-Polish though.

[♥ Lily ♥]

He does have Danish ancestry apparently although his mother's name was Marion Elaine Robinson so he's obviously not just Danish on that side of the family. He is definitely half-Polish though.

I can see a bit of Danish and Polish in him, but I think he has a more American look instead.

[Odin]

Balto-Borreby. Pass in Central Europe.

[jmls]

Brunn+Baltid? Too fat to be classified probably.

[aherne]

Alpine+Baltid. He didn't win genetic lottery, that's for sure!

[Lobster]

Baltid

[alnortedelsur]

Alpine+Baltid. He didn't win genetic lottery, that's for sure!

Alpine and Baltid are good looking phenotypes.

He didn't look bad (no homo), but he was overweight.

[Lobster]

Alpine and Baltid are good looking phenotypes.

He didn't look bad (no homo), but he was overweight.

He was terrible person though.

[alnortedelsur]

He was terrible person though.

Of course. He was a psychopath. A very terrible serial killer.

We are just discussing about his phenotype.

[Lobster]

Of course. He was a psychopath. A very terrible serial killer.

We are just discussing about his phenotype.

His father used to be an alcoholic who abused his own children (including Gacy). Gacy was diagnosed sociopath, he had obsessive-compulsive disorders and even bipolarity was also very possible in his case. He was insane, clever, manipulative, sadistic person that wanted to abuse/enslave young teen boys. He was also so narcissistic, that he even left a good number of his victims alive after raping and torturing them (this was his fatal move which greatly contributed to his arrest) just because he liked to feel like he's God who chose who of the boys deserves to live. Of course, his poor mental health, his homosexuality which he denied all his life, and his alcoholic father, who abused him, made him what he was.