Classify Parsi Indian business man Jamshyd Godrej

[Impaler]

http://i.imgur.com/28U9Jww.jpg (https://imgur.com/28U9Jww)
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http://i.imgur.com/GfyzC73.jpg (https://imgur.com/GfyzC73)

[lameduck]

Looks umixed Iranian/west Asian.

[Oghuz]

he looks rather unmixed Persian.

Proto Iranid

[Rohanspiritual]

Surely could pass as atypical eastern euro

[aherne]

Passes in Balkans without any problem...

[Avicenna]

Unmixed iranid. Can pass in balkans with ease.

[Marmara]

Looks White.

[Adamastor]

White looking.

[Trouble]

East and west Europe

[Latinus]

Dinaro-Alpine.
Looks European.

[Negah]

his son


https://corporatebytes.in/wp-content/uploads/navroze-godrej-1140x640-e1533709915289.jpg

[Kraftwerk]

If unmixed Iranids look like him, then what swarthy Iranians these days are?
He looks gracilezed alpine to me.

[Kamal900]

European Alpine. Looks very White.

[Trouble]

If unmixed Iranids look like him, then what swarthy Iranians these days are?
He looks gracilezed alpine to me.

Mixed with Neolithic near eastern farmers

[Bakha]

Wow always be treated like a western tourist in India
Interesting specimen

[Rohanspiritual]

his son


https://corporatebytes.in/wp-content/uploads/navroze-godrej-1140x640-e1533709915289.jpg

Does he look a bit like me?

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[lameduck]

If unmixed Iranids look like him, then what swarthy Iranians these days are?
He looks gracilezed alpine to me.

lol by unmixed i mean not mixed with local indian elements after moving to india.

[Rohanspiritual]

If unmixed Iranids look like him, then what swarthy Iranians these days are?
He looks gracilezed alpine to me.

Iran is a huge country geographically. As multiracial as India itself.
Iranians to the north look like Turks, the the center-west look like Arabs, south I would believe have some Indid blood.

This guy looks neither mixed with Arab, Turk or Indid. Probably closer to the original 'Aryans' who moved into Iran and North India thousands of years ago.

[Rohanspiritual]

lol by unmixed i mean not mixed with local indian elements after moving to india.

But many Iranians from Iran also look mixed with Indian/medium brown blood.

The two Iranians below are part indid right?
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[Trouble]

But many Iranians from Iran also look mixed with Indian/medium brown blood.

The two Iranians below are part indid right?
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Maz Jobrani no. But that woman, if she were Pakistani, people would classify her as gracile indid and say she looks typical.

[Dna8]

Very nice.

He straddles the borderlands between the West Asian and European aesthetic spectra.

[Leader]

But many Iranians from Iran also look mixed with Indian/medium brown blood.

The two Iranians below are part indid right?
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Indian does not equal Indid. Indid refers to a group of sub-racial types. The first picture of that woman need not have Indid blood, although it is possible, as there is small Indid influence in Iran. She might have Arabian Veddoid admixture, and may or may not have Yemenid (aka South Arabid) admixture. Can't tell.

The second picture is of Maz Jobrani. He seems to have Arabid admixture.

[Leader]

Maz Jobrani no. But that woman, if she were Pakistani, people would classify her as gracile indid and say she looks typical.

Only people unfamiliar with Pakistan-related types would classify her as Gracile Indid, considering that she has visible Armenoid and Indo-Afghan influence.

[Dna8]

Maz Jobrani no. But that woman, if she were Pakistani, people would classify her as gracile indid and say she looks typical.

True.

But I also wouldn't faint if I were to be told that she hails from Hyderabad.

[Dna8]

Indian does not equal Indid. Indid refers to a group of sub-racial types. The first picture of that woman need not have Indid blood, although it is possible, as there is small Indid influence in Iran. She might have Arabian Veddoid admixture, and may or may not have Yemenid (aka South Arabid) admixture. Can't tell.

The second picture is of Maz Jobrani. He seems to have Arabid admixture.

I like to refer to the "Indid" precisely for those reasons under the sky of your post's sentiments.

It is a light in my mouth goes out,

Dna8

[Leader]

I like to refer to the "Indid" precisely for those reasons under the sky of your post's sentiments.

It is a light in my mouth goes out,

Dna8

I appreciate this comment, but I think there has been a misunderstanding, and I have no clue what is meant.

[Dna8]

I appreciate this comment, but I think there has been a misunderstanding, and I have no clue what is meant.

There is no misunderstanding, you have my kindest regards.

[Dna8]

Why are South Asian members so uniformly courteous?

[Dna8]

They are all polite and civil.

[Zroota]

Dinaro-Alpine

[Avicenna]

Only people unfamiliar with Pakistan-related types would classify her as Gracile Indid, considering that she has visible Armenoid and Indo-Afghan influence.

The only post you thumb down is mine lol pathetic. Everyone said he looks European. Hurt your feelings did I?

[Negah]

Maz Jobrani no.

Maz is married to an Indian so his kids are definitely part indid

[Negah]

Iran is a huge country geographically. As multiracial as India itself.
Iranians to the north look like Turks, the the center-west look like Arabs, south I would believe have some Indid blood.

This guy looks neither mixed with Arab, Turk or Indid. Probably closer to the original 'Aryans' who moved into Iran and North India thousands of years ago.

Never seen Iran explained this way. Wow Turks, Arabs and Indians mixture

[Rohanspiritual]

. She might have Arabian Veddoid admixture, and may or may not have Yemenid (aka South Arabid) admixture. Can't tell.
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What is Arabid Veddoid? Is that the Vedic people who used to be in Harappa (before Aryan invasion and they were pushed down) who also settled in Arabia?

South Arabid is at least part SSA isn't it? If not, how do Iranians like Maz get so dark? Surely their blood goes back to earlier Veddoid or SSA?

[lameduck]

What is Arabid Veddoid? Is that the Vedic people who used to be in Harappa (before Aryan invasion and they were pushed down) who also settled in Arabia?

South Arabid is at least part SSA isn't it? If not, how do Iranians like Maz get so dark? Surely their blood goes back to earlier Veddoid or SSA?

Most nation states are just a modern creation,components are ancient ,they have no nationality ,all human beings are mixture of some basic components which are function of geography ,culture,language and so on.Human phenotype is even more complex there are many factors like environment,natural selection involved in this.

[Negah]

how do Iranians like Maz get so dark? Surely their blood goes back to earlier Veddoid or SSA?

Lol By what standard is maz dark? Swedish standards? Surely not middle eastern standard and definitely not Pakistani and super definitely not Indian standards!! Lol your comments are out of this world

[Negah]

Does he look a bit like me?

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No

[Oghuz]

If unmixed Iranids look like him, then what swarthy Iranians these days are?
He looks gracilezed alpine to me.

Try placing the Persian man in OP in these Iranian crowds. How badly do you think he would stick out ?

https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/OkwSYVdBSDIHdSDjQ478.Q--~B/aD02ODA7dz0xMDI0O3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/Part-PAR-SAPA981202030500-1-0-1.jpg

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https://ak5.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5388035/thumb/8.jpg

https://th.thgim.com/news/international/73v986/article26235793.ece/alternates/FREE_660/IRANREVOLUTIONANNIVERSARYTIMELINE

https://thearabweekly.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_image_800x450_/public/2018-07/A1101.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/F0D04EF4-8BD5-43E0-AC58-B0CAE44D5916_w1023_r1_s.jpg

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Farewell_to_Body_of_Martyr_Mohsen_Hojaji_in_Mashha d_04_%282%29.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/508179B3-5381-4E39-9040-252EAC54A2F5_w408_r1_s.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/D979/production/_100237655_gettyimages-695311082.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/946360222309928960/pu/img/m7EdoLu3RQRz9TVT.jpg

[Leader]

Unmixed iranid. Can pass in balkans with ease.

Correct, Avicenna, the above is one of the two comments I downvoted. The reason is the erroneous use of the term 'Iranid'. I believe you meant to say that Jamshyd Godrej belongs to a somewhat older and unmixed Iranian type, not mixed with Arabians. That may be true, but you called him an unmixed Iranid!

Iranid is a particular type mixed with 'Arabian blood', and is characterized by long and very dolichocephalic (narrow as opposed to broad) faces, long and very leptorrhine (narrow as opposed to broad) noses, sturdy chins, and high pilosity (quite hairy). And also light brown skin, brown eyes, and brown to black hair.

Reading my little profile will make my favorable attitude towards Europeans clear.

[Oghuz]

But many Iranians from Iran also look mixed with Indian/medium brown blood.

The two Iranians below are part indid right?
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Maz Jobrani is Iranid+Armenoid.

https://www.kalw.org/sites/kalw/files/styles/medium/public/201705/jobrani800x465.jpg

[Leader]

Why are South Asian members so uniformly courteous?

I assure you that it is your own goodness being reflected back to you.

I must also say that there exist bad, bad South Asians too.

[lameduck]

Lol By what standard is maz dark? Swedish standards? Surely not middle eastern standard and definitely not Pakistani and super definitely not Indian standards!! Lol your comments are out of this world

Lol many Turkish people I see have this pigmentation,he is not dark by any non European standards.

[Rohanspiritual]

Lol By what standard is maz dark? Swedish standards? Surely not middle eastern standard and definitely not Pakistani and super definitely not Indian standards!! Lol your comments are out of this world

Maz is dark by standards of people with a European skin tone, like mine. My facial features are middle eastern, but my skin is light. Maz is a deep set brown, I'm simply asking how he got that brown.
It is either by vedoid blood or some kind of SSA blood. I am talking about going back 1000s of years.

[Oghuz]

Iranid is a particular type mixed with 'Arabian blood',

Can you provide some evidence of that ?

Even if we include Non Iranic Assyrian, Jewish and Arab communities from Khuzestan then Iran doesnt even have 10 % of Semite J1 haplogroup. This age old stupid myth of Arabs and Iranians mixing togather has been busted many times in recent past. Exclude these non iranic communities and Semite DNA is not even 2 % among Iranians.

Read this paper in details.

https://doi.org/10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0041252

People automatically assume things that if one group politically dominates another then there must be some mixing in that period. This never actually happened in MENA regions. It happened in Northern part of South Asia, Latin America that that invading groups changed the local genetic makeup of the society but not in West Asia.

[Negah]

Maz is dark by standards of people with a European skin tone, like mine. My facial features are middle eastern, but my skin is light. Maz is a deep set brown, I'm simply asking how he got that brown.
It is either by vedoid blood or some kind of SSA blood. I am talking about going back 1000s of years.

You don’t have a European skin tone lol

Again what you are saying is nonsense please go read about genetics before making comments here

You are troll

[Rohanspiritual]

This is an Iranian Muslim I went to school with. Does he not look Arabid?

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[Rohanspiritual]

You don’t have a European skin tone lol

Again what you are saying is nonsense please go read about genetics before making comments here

You are troll

Really? There aren't plenty of southern Europeans with my skin tone? I think you're letting your bias get in the way.

And you made no argument, just accusations. Very immature.

What country are you from? I can't even recognize your flag.

[Oghuz]

This is an Iranian Muslim I went to school with. Does he not look Arabid?

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Irano alpine type. More dominantly Alpine.

Profile picture will help.

[Oghuz]

People need to be more civilized and respectful here towards each other.

[Negah]

This is an Iranian Muslim I went to school with. Does he not look Arabid?

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Owd at its finest lol

[Leader]

What is Arabid Veddoid? Is that the Vedic people who used to be in Harappa (before Aryan invasion and they were pushed down) who also settled in Arabia?

South Arabid is at least part SSA isn't it? If not, how do Iranians like Maz get so dark? Surely their blood goes back to earlier Veddoid or SSA?

Arabian Veddoid refers to an older people who inhabited the Middle East before Europids. Today they are found in small numbers throughout Arabia, and are more common close to and within Yemen. Also found in Egypt, Sudan, south Iran, and rarely in the rest of Iran, even rarer in east Afghanistan.

They are somewhat related to the Veddid people of South and Southeast Asia. "Veddid" comes from a tribe called 'Vedda', and is unrelated to anything Vedic.

The Indus Valley Civilisation (of which Harappa was a part) consisted of (Gracile) Mediterranoid and Indo-Melanid people, with a small infusion of 'Indo-Iranian' blood from Central Asia. Many people were part-Veddid, but that is about it.

Neither Arabian Veddoid nor Yemenid (which is a cross of Arabid, Armenoid and Veddid) are part-SSA. They have pseudo-Negrid features similar to how Veddid tribals in India do.

Maz is not that dark actually, just somewhat darker than Iranids. Yes, there may be a small Veddoid admixture from old times.

[Rohanspiritual]

Owd at its finest lol

No dilemma champ. Dont know who you are or what country you're from. Have a good day.

[Oghuz]

Maz is dark by standards of people with a European skin tone, like mine. My facial features are middle eastern, but my skin is light. Maz is a deep set brown, I'm simply asking how he got that brown.
It is either by vedoid blood or some kind of SSA blood. I am talking about going back 1000s of years.

Phenotype has less to do with skin tone and more to do with skull shape. Cranial measurements alone with mandibular angle. Maz Jobrani is an armenoid+Iranid phenotype which is a very common combination in Caucasus and even in Anatolia. Skin tone means nothing when we see skull shapes and by the way his skin tone is of a common west Asian.

I posted a thread on swarthy or dark Iranian men a while ago. These men have unusually dark skin tones but their phenotype are still Iranid.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?303788-Classify-swarthy-Iranian-men

[lameduck]

Can you provide some evidence of that ?

Even if we include Non Iranic Assyrian, Jewish and Arab communities from Khuzestan then Iran doesnt even have 10 % of Semite J1 haplogroup. This age old stupid myth of Arabs and Iranians mixing togather has been busted many times in recent past. Exclude these non iranic communities and Semite DNA is not even 2 % among Iranians.

Read this paper in details.

https://doi.org/10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0041252

People automatically assume things that if one group politically dominates another then there must be some mixing in that period. This never actually happened in MENA regions. It happened in Northern part of South Asia, Latin America that that invading groups changed the local genetic makeup of the society but not in West Asia.
All human beings are ultimately 2 eyes one nose and face so do mapped on to each other time to time,this doesn't mean they have any mix from each other.

[Rohanspiritual]

Brother, you just answered my question 100%
Just as I suspected. That there was a related vedic race in the middle east and Arabia.
Yes Maz has some but I agree not much.

Other guys on here just wanted to dance around the question. Who knows why- I will call it the Negah dilemma lol.

Thanks for your answer.


Arabian Veddoid refers to an older people who inhabited the Middle East before Europids. Today they are found in small numbers throughout Arabia, and are more common close to and within Yemen. Also found in Egypt, Sudan, south Iran, and rarely in the rest of Iran, even rarer in east Afghanistan.

They are somewhat related to the Veddid people of South and Southeast Asia. "Veddid" comes from a tribe called 'Vedda', and is unrelated to anything Vedic.

The Indus Valley Civilisation (of which Harappa was a part) consisted of (Gracile) Mediterranoid and Indo-Melanid people, with a small infusion of 'Indo-Iranian' blood from Central Asia. Many people were part-Veddid, but that is about it.

Neither Arabian Veddoid nor Yemenid (which is a cross of Arabid, Armenoid and Veddid) are part-SSA. They have pseudo-Negrid features similar to how Veddid tribals in India do.

Maz is not that dark actually, just somewhat darker than Iranids. Yes, there may be a small Veddoid admixture from old times.

[Oghuz]

All human beings are ultimately 2 eyes one nose and face so do mapped on to each other time to time,this doesn't mean they have any mix from each other.

Thanks for agreeing Dostam.

[Rohanspiritual]

Phenotype has less to do with skin tone and more to do with skull shape. Cranial measurements alone with mandibular angle. Maz Jobrani is an armenoid+Iranid phenotype which is a very common combination in Caucasus and even in Anatolia. Skin tone means nothing when we see skull shapes and by the way his skin tone is of a common west Asian.

I posted a thread on swarthy or dark Iranian men a while ago. These men have unusually dark skin tones but their phenotype are still Iranid.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?303788-Classify-swarthy-Iranian-men

This is not what I was asking.
What I was asking was whether he had any blood from a dark race.
And Leader provided the answer.

[Leader]

Can you provide some evidence of that ?

Even if we include Non Iranic Assyrian, Jewish and Arab communities from Khuzestan then Iran doesnt even have 10 % of Semite J1 haplogroup. This age old stupid myth of Arabs and Iranians mixing togather has been busted many times in recent past. Exclude these non iranic communities and Semite DNA is not even 2 % among Iranians.

Read this paper in details.

https://doi.org/10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0041252

People automatically assume things that if one group politically dominates another then there must be some mixing in that period. This never actually happened in MENA regions. It happened in Northern part of South Asia, Latin America that that invading groups changed the local genetic makeup of the society but not in West Asia.

For this very topic I am concerned not with mixing in the last couple of millennia, which is relatively small in its influence in Iran, as you say, although it did occur. The person I addressed was talking about the addition of blood from several thousand year old Near Easterners. That blood constitutes an important part of what produced today's Iranids. What you talk about, namely recent Arab blood, is a different matter. What I am talking about is people that gave Iranids (and North Indid) their share of Mediterranoid blood, common to most Mediterranoids.

[Leader]

This is an Iranian Muslim I went to school with. Does he not look Arabid?

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He is East Alpinid, plus something else.

[Oghuz]

This is not what I was asking.
What I was asking was whether he had any blood from a dark race.
And Leader provided the answer.

Everyone on this planet has admixtures from other groups. Even a nordid blonde European can show some level admixture from darker groups. I would not post it here but a blonde Nordid Eastern european man here turned out to be 2-3% South Asian. What you look like is a result of your major genetic proportions (phenotype) and also the environment (skin tone) your immediate ancestors lived in.

This may help you understand who came from who.

https://i.postimg.cc/xChtP2rz/ace.jpg

[lameduck]

For this very topic I am concerned not with mixing in the last couple of millennia, which is relatively small in its influence in Iran, as you say, although it did occur. The person I addressed was talking about the addition of blood from several thousand year old Near Easterners. That blood constitutes an important part of what produced today's Iranids. What you talk about, namely recent Arab blood, is a different matter. What I am talking about is people that gave Iranids (and North Indid) their share of Mediterranoid blood, common to most Mediterranoids.

We all are mixed some time back ,but current generation doesn't hold any debt to this mixing ,you can say that Nord Indid is formed by mixing of Iran neo+ASI+steppe.

[Avicenna]

Correct, Avicenna, the above is one of the two comments I downvoted. The reason is the erroneous use of the term 'Iranid'. I believe you meant to say that Jamshyd Godrej belongs to a somewhat older and unmixed Iranian type, not mixed with Arabians. That may be true, but you called him an unmixed Iranid!

Iranid is a particular type mixed with 'Arabian blood', and is characterized by long and very dolichocephalic (narrow as opposed to broad) faces, long and very leptorrhine (narrow as opposed to broad) noses, sturdy chins, and high pilosity (quite hairy). And also light brown skin, brown eyes, and brown to black hair.

Reading my little profile will make my favorable attitude towards Europeans clear.

Its actually referred to as brunet white skin, which is a beige skin color, many europeans have a similar skin tone. And by unmixed I meant with the local Indian population as he is a parsi residing in India for generations!

[Leader]

Brother, you just answered my question 100%
Just as I suspected. That there was a related vedic race in the middle east and Arabia.
Yes Maz has some but I agree not much.

Other guys on here just wanted to dance around the question. Who knows why- I will call it the Negah dilemma lol.

Thanks for your answer.

Looking at Maz Jobrani, it cannot be known whether he is about 100% Europid or not. Either is possible. The reason is that many Europids in West Asia and South Asia have evolved light-medium brown skin due to the sun. It is possible that he has no dark race admixture.

[Leader]

We all are mixed some time back ,but current generation doesn't hold any debt to this mixing ,you can say that Nord Indid is formed by mixing of Iran neo+ASI+steppe.

I don't understand the debt part, but yes, today's North Indid formed through different influences, including Veddid.

[Leader]

Its actually referred to as brunet white skin, which is a beige skin color, many europeans have a similar skin tone. And by unmixed I meant with the local Indian population as he is a parsi residing in India for generations!

True, about the skin colour. About the unmixed part, my bad, I misunderstood. You mean he is an unmixed Iranian. Yup. His Parsi ancestors seeming predominantly married among themselves.

[Oghuz]

For this very topic I am concerned not with mixing in the last couple of millennia, which is relatively small in its influence in Iran, as you say, although it did occur. The person I addressed was talking about the addition of blood from several thousand year old Near Easterners. That blood constitutes an important part of what produced today's Iranids. What you talk about, namely recent Arab blood, is a different matter. What I am talking about is people that gave Iranids (and North Indid) their share of Mediterranoid blood, common to most Mediterranoids.

Very wrong

You said this "Iranid is a particular type mixed with 'Arabian blood'. I simply would ask you again for genetic proof of such mixing like I posted an article stating that this admixture is nothing but a age old myth. Iranic empires ruled entire MENA for centuries and Arabians ruled some parts of Iranic plateau for a century yet there was almost no admixturing like the genetic markers explain.

Also, considering that modern day Arabian cline is relatively younger than Iranian cline (8000 BCE) how is Iranid type is mixed with, qouting you, Arabian blood when two types never actually interacted? I would appreciate a genetic proof not typed words.

[Kyp]

Very wrong

You said this "Iranid is a particular type mixed with 'Arabian blood'. I simply would ask you again for genetic proof of such mixing like I posted an article stating that this admixture is nothing but a age old myth. Iranic empires ruled entire MENA for centuries and Arabians ruled some parts of Iranic plateau for a century yet there was almost no admixturing like the genetic markers explain.

Also, considering that modern day Arabian cline is relatively younger than Iranian cline (8000 BCE) how is Iranid type is mixed with, qouting you, Arabian blood when two types never actually interacted? I would appreciate a genetic proof not typed words.

I think he doesn't mean Bedouin arab but more ancient Near Eastern admixture. Which is obviously present in Western Iranians especially.
Iranians can be modelled as 50%Mesopotamian (Assyrian mostly) + 50%Tajik most of the time..

[Leader]

Very wrong

You said this "Iranid is a particular type mixed with 'Arabian blood'. I simply would ask you again for genetic proof of such mixing like I posted an article stating that this admixture is nothing but a age old myth. Iranic empires ruled entire MENA for centuries and Arabians ruled some parts of Iranic plateau for a century yet there was almost no admixturing like the genetic markers explain.

Also, considering that modern day Arabian cline is relatively younger than Iranian cline (8000 BCE) how is Iranid type is mixed with, qouting you, Arabian blood when two types never actually interacted? I would appreciate a genetic proof not typed words.

Not modern Arabian, but blood from what was the Near East before either Iranid or Arabid formed. See my previous comment which you quoted.

[Rohanspiritual]

Looking at Maz Jobrani, it cannot be known whether he is about 100% Europid or not. Either is possible. The reason is that many Europids in West Asia and South Asia have evolved light-medium brown skin due to the sun. It is possible that he has no dark race admixture.

Maz is probably a bad example because he is not so dark.

Here is a better example of dark west asian (Yemen)
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This guy is Iranian too

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[lameduck]

Yeah thats what I think he is trying to say , I think it's called red Sea component but we all are mixed in ancient past anyways.

[Oghuz]

I think he doesn't mean Bedouin arab but more ancient Near Eastern admixture. Which is obviously present in Western Iranians especially.
Iranians can be modelled as 50%Mesopotamian (Assyrian mostly) + 50%Tajik most of the time..

They are by no means can be called "Arabian" blood. Arabian cline is limited to Peninsula and it never interacted with Iranic cline other than Islamic invasion or Persian Empires grip over Peninsula. Just because modern day Mesopotamian or Assyrians speak Arabic does not mean their ancient ancestors were genetically part of Arabian cline of Peninsula.

Iranid phenotype is built by Iranian Neolithic (East Med type) + Corded Nordoid combination. It never actually gained anything from Penninsulan Arabian cline.

[Oghuz]

Maz is probably a bad example because he is not so dark.

Here is a better example of dark west asian (Yemen)
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This guy is Iranian too

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Again a proper East Med type West Asian with strong mandibular angle and probably Meso skull.

[Oghuz]

Not modern Arabian, but blood from what was the Near East before either Iranid or Arabid formed. See my previous comment which you quoted.

If you are referring to Mesopotamian or Assyrians then they are not "Arabian blood". Arab semite Cline is Peninsula only.

[Negah]

No dilemma champ. Dont know who you are or what country you're from. Have a good day.

Hey, I never mentioned your country yet you constantly mention Iran.

It is so funny that Iran's high civilization has impacted and influenced your entire region(South Asia) in terms of culture, literature, language, architecture, art, religion, music, philosophy, food, etc. The impact of Iran is immense in South Asia. Just remember that.

[Oghuz]

Hey, I never mentioned your country yet you constantly mention Iran.

It is so funny that Iran's high civilization has impacted and influenced your entire region(South Asia) in terms of culture, literature, language, architecture, art, food, etc. The impact of Iran is immense in South Asia.

Narahat Nabash Dadash. Its just a discussion.

I agree but It was not Impact of Iran in South Asia but Impact of Iranic Plateau as whole. You have Iranian Neolithic farmers who created Indus valley IVC. Then Iranicised Steppe Aryans from BMAC entering Northern part of South Asia. Indo Sychtian Iranic empires followed by wave after wave of Irano Turkic dynasties in North India. These groups left their genetic markers in that region. Its interesting how we are all connected in the end. Fascinating.

[lameduck]

Hey, I never mentioned your country yet you constantly mention Iran.

It is so funny that Iran's high civilization has impacted and influenced your entire region(South Asia) in terms of culture, literature, language, architecture, art, food, etc. The impact of Iran is immense in South Asia.

not sure about influence , I lived in Pakistan all my life and there were three major influences on middle classes other than religin(which is of middle eastern origin)

Western/Anglo(every one has it) -Hollywood , Macdonalds/fast food, British School system and all that

Japanse came with their animes , arcade gaming , electornics and toyotas

than Chinese with shoalin kangfu , chinse food and stuff


Modern world is pretty much creation of the above mentioned entities.

[Negah]

Narahat Nabash Dadash. Its just a discussion.

I agree but It was not Impact of Iran in South Asia but Impact of Iranic Plateau as whole. You have Iranian Neolithic farmers who created Indus valley IVC. Then Iranicised Steppe Aryans from BMAC entering Northern part of South Asia. Indo Sychtian Iranic empires followed by wave after wave of Irano Turkic dynasties in North India. These groups left their genetic markers in that region. Its interesting how we are all connected in the end. Fascinating.

Narahat Nashodam, in pesareh kheli oghdehi. Hamash megeh cheghresh roshaneh va sefideh engar in kheli mohemem. Kheli mekhad sefid bashed. Kheli jaleb waseh man. In hindiha cheghader rang wasashun mohemeh.

He is the one that keeps changing the discussion to the place of one's birth and keeps making outrageous statements. Also, he is the one that annoyingly keeps saying how light he is.

[Negah]

not sure about influence , I lived in Pakistan all my life and there were three major influences on middle classes other than religin(which is of middle eastern origin)

Western/Anglo(every one has it) -Hollywood , Macdonalds/fast food, British School system and all that

Japanse came with their animes , arcade gaming , electornics and toyotas

than Chinese with shoalin kangfu , chinse food and stuff


Modern world is pretty much creation of the above mentioned entities.

The modern world is a European one and then an American one and the rest of the places you have mentioned. I have no arguments there. But prior to the last 200 years, Iran's influence in South Asia was profound

Iran's influence can be observed on URDU POETRY, Sufism impact on South Asian Muslims and non-Muslims, Iranian food from Hyderabadi cuisine to Moghul cuisine, etc. Persian and Arabic loan words( Arabic via Persian ) in south Asian languages, art from miniature painting to calligraphy, in architecture places like Taj Mahal, etc,

these are a few of the many aspects of influence of Iran in India. But I don't want to discuss this here.

[Oghuz]

Narahat Nashodam, in pesareh kheli oghdehi. Hamash megeh cheghresh roshaneh. Kheli mekhad sepgid bashed. Kheli jaleb waseh man. In hindi cheghader rang wasashun mohemeh.

He is the one that keeps changing the discussion to the place of one's birth and keeps making outrageous statements. Also, he is the one that annoyingly keeps saying how light he is.

Dadash tu midoni in internet hast. Inja ma namitonim mardam ra taghaiar dehim.

Wali hameshe beyad dashta bashid ... Scientific proof beats everything else.

[Rohanspiritual]

Again a proper East Med type West Asian with strong mandibular angle and probably Meso skull.

I am not talking about skull shape, I am talking about skin tone. I am not disputing the main aspects of his make up

[Oghuz]

I am not talking about skull shape, I am talking about skin tone. I am not disputing the main aspects of his make up

I explained before that skin tone means nothing compared to skull shape when we are talking about genetic inputs or phenotype. Here is a swarthy Persian man (darker than average Iranic) standing with european men. Despite his darker than avarage skin tone, he has the a massively progressive skull in this group (others have might have non progressive traits like dinaricisation, alpine admixtures). If his skin tone is because of admixture then how come he is getting this massively progressive skull ? try to understand my point.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FXM3ER/new-york-ny-usa-16th-apr-2016-dominic-rains-rachel-brosnahan-james-FXM3ER.jpg

Compare this to a light skinned Iranian who happens to have less progressive skull. This light man may turn out to be more admixed with Non iranic types then the above man. It proves that skin tone does not hint towards genetic make up of an individual.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/ef/a4/f3efa4c1d1a8f35a20774726d9d9033a.jpg

[Rohanspiritual]

Skin tone means nothing?
Lmao.
Skin tone not as important as skull shape- I agree.
But nothing?
Ridiculous idea.

I'm not saying that a dark Iranian has 30-40% admixture from a dark race, I'm just saying it's there for some reason other than a tan.

That first man is not that dark just because his ancestors have tanned in the middle east- I can tell you that for sure.

Other posters in this thread have said that there are many mixes. That is the logical, reasonable conclusion and I agree.

If you are saying that you are certain the first man has zero vedoid influence than I know I am not the one being unreasonable.

[Rohanspiritual]

This light man may turn out to be more admixed with Non iranic types then the above man.



So you are saying first man is in fact mixed, even if it is not by much. I don't disagree with this.

Who is the first man by the way?

[Oghuz]

I'm not saying that a dark Iranian has 30-40% admixture from a dark race, I'm just saying it's there for some reason other than a tan.

That first man is not that dark just because his ancestors have tanned in the middle east- I can tell you that for sure.

Other posters in this thread have said that there are many mixes. That is the logical, reasonable conclusion and I agree.

If you are saying that you are certain the first man has zero vedoid influence than I know I am not the one being unreasonable.

Other posters in this thread have presented zero scientific proof of any genetic input of Arabian Cline (Penninsula) into Iranic Cline (5000-6000 BCE old). To me and most other sane men here, published research on chemistry of someones DNA matters more than what people type here.

[Oghuz]

So you are saying first man is in fact mixed, even if it is not by much. I don't disagree with this.

Who is the first man by the way?

I am saying that first man is more Iranid (progressive skulled) than the 2nd man despite him being swarthy and second man being light skinned.

[Rohanspiritual]

I am saying that first man is more Iranid (progressive skulled) than the 2nd man despite him being swarthy and second man being light skinned.

I am not disputing that. May well be true.

[Oghuz]

I am not disputing that. May well be true.

All well friend.

[Randommembr]

Looks exactly what he is. I'm appalled at how little people on here know about the Parsi phenotype.

[kevinmac]

Looks Central or Northern, French as well.