As a whole, do Serbs pass better in Austria or Greece?

[Tooting Carmen]

IMO Serbs, like Croats, look in between Central and Southern Europeans, so I thought I'd ask this.

[Bakha]

I suppose majority in Austria

[valentinavalley2]

They pass better in Romania


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[Tooting Carmen]

They pass better in Romania


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Well of course. However, if given the choice between Central Europe and extreme Southern Europe, which would you choose?

[CommonSense]

Greece. Austrians look predominantly Germanic and the darker types like North-Central Italians.

[Tooting Carmen]

Greece. Austrians look predominantly Germanic and the darker types like North-Central Italians.

But on the other hand, doesn't Serbia have rather more fair-coloured Slavic/Baltid types and rather fewer very dark Med types compared to Greece?

[CommonSense]

But on the other hand, doesn't Serbia have rather more fair-coloured Slavic/Baltid types and rather fewer very dark Med types compared to Greece?

It's not like all of Greece is made up of those very dark types like Sloukas. In fact, there are probably just as many if not more people with phenotypes resembling standard Balkanites, in other words Pontids, Dinarids, Alpines, etc. In Austria, on the other hand, you have none of those, and the most common phenotype by far is Subnordid.

The Serbs who are 'Slavic-looking' still usually have some Pontid-features and medium-dark brown hair. Actual Slavic appearance, both in pigmentation and features, isn't too common.

[Jana]

Better pass in northern Greece than in Austria. But they pass easier in Austria than in Greek Islands or Greek-speaking Anatolia.
Mainland Greeks look pretty Balkan.

Austrians

https://www.cev.eu/NewsImages/27301/Original/Austrian%20cheering_5LH1270.jpg
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=201715129&width=1500&height=865&stretch=uniform
https://cevadmin.cev.eu/FTPFiles/Media/Objects/13/Form04_24797_Original.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdkZwyGW0AI8X_L.jpg

Serbs

http://www.fivb.org/visasp/Img_GetImage.aspx?No=201312844
https://cevadmin.cev.eu/FTPFiles/Media/Objects/5662/Form04_18845_Original.jpg
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=68159&type=Press&maxSize=920
https://cevadmin.cev.eu/FTPFiles/Media/Objects/5662/Form04_10202_Original.jpg

Greeks

https://www.cev.eu/NewsImages/20716/Original/TeamGreece.jpg
http://www.volleyball.gr/fotos/636993009054074964.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WQlMaxc.png
http://www.balkanvolleyball.org/uploads/originals/MjAxNzA0MjQxODQzNDk3NDYxMA==.JPG

[Moje ime]

Both.

[Dick]

Since I’m the epitome of a pure Serb I’ll say Austria because I’ve never been asked if my background is Greek in Canada

[Moje ime]

In general Serbs have different look from both. It's not like there is big overlap.

[Jana]

Since I’m the epitome of a pure Serb I’ll say Austria because I’ve never been asked if my background is Greek in Canada

I hope you are joking, because you are far more typical Croat than Serb, and you mentioned that yourself in the past.

[MustafaTekin]

Northern greece

[Moje ime]

I hope you are joking, because you are far more typical Croat than Serb, and you mentioned that yourself in the past.

How can he be Croat with Serbian results?

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Austrian range from North Italians to Germans, when Serbians are mostly between Romania and Greece. Serbians have way more similarity to Russians than to Germanics, nothing Austrian about them.

[Jana]

How can he be Croat with Serbian results?

He looks Croatian, and he admitted it in the past. He isn't most typical Serb either, more western shifted than average.
Maybe you misunderstod. I am referring to his looks, not his origins.

[Jana]

Austrian range from North Italians to Germans, when Serbians are mostly between Romania and Greece. Serbians have way more similarity to Russians than to Germanics, nothing Austrian about them.

Romanians have more overlap with Greeks, than Serbs do.

[Moje ime]

He looks Croatian, and he admitted it in the past. He isn't most typical Serb either, more western shifted than average.

There is lot of western shifted and western looking Serbs especially among western Serbs (Bosnian origin). If he has Serbian ancestry then he is a Serb. Why would someone with Med phenotype be more typical Serb than someone with eg. Norid phenotype?

[Moje ime]

Austrian range from North Italians to Germans, when Serbians are mostly between Romania and Greece. Serbians have way more similarity to Russians than to Germanics, nothing Austrian about them.

DNA results disapproves you and also simple logic-Russians are just too far away. Serbs are more similar with eg Poles than with Russians.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Romanians have more overlap with Greeks, than Serbs do.

Its probably true, serbians, macedonians, bulgarians and romanians are very greco-slavic.

[Pribislav]

Its probably true, serbians, macedonians, bulgarians and romanians are very greco-slavic.

Most of paleo-Balkanic dna in South Slavs came from Vlachs, not from Greeks.

[Moje ime]

Most of paleo-Balkanic dna in South Slavs came from Vlachs, not from Greeks.

Yes and they were more north - western shifted than Greeks.

[Pribislav]

Yes and they were more north - western shifted than Greeks.

For sure.
Most northern ploting Greeks are from Epirus and Aegean Macedonia. In Epirus a lot of Vlachs were helenized, and in Macedonia a lot of Slavs/Slavic speakers.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Romanians have more overlap with Greeks, than Serbs do.

The most southern Romanians I've seen plot with Bulgarians and most results show Romanians closer to Serbs than Greeks.

Look at this Southern Romanian that Mingle posted.

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.88
2 North_Atlantic 23.53
3 East_Med 19.66
4 West_Med 15.47
5 West_Asian 11.88
6 Red_Sea 2.34
7 Siberian 1.65
8 Oceanian 0.89
9 Amerindian 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 2.65
2 Bulgarian 3.14
3 Serbian 6.15
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.54

Just because Impaler is a weirdo doesn't mean Romanians overlap with Greeks. We clearly overlap with Bulgarians, with some of us being more Western Balkan and others more Eastern European.

Edit: It is clear that some Serbs have a larger EE component that shifts them to look more Eastern European and similar to some Moldavians from the Rep. of Moldova, but as per current averages and spreads you cannot assert that Romanians overlap with Greeks *more* than Serbs, because we don't overlap with Greeks.

https://i.imgur.com/zbbm6En.png

[Dick]

I hope you are joking, because you are far more typical Croat than Serb, and you mentioned that yourself in the past.

I can't recall right now but I think I said my friend was teasing me during the World Cup that I look like the croatian soccer players but he knows I'm a serb

[Pribislav]

Serbs are autosomally closer to Austrian than to Greeks.

For physical appearance depends of region I think.

[Jana]

There is lot of western shifted and western looking Serbs especially among western Serbs (Bosnian origin). If he has Serbian ancestry then he is a Serb. Why would someone with Med phenotype be more typical Serb than someone with eg. Norid phenotype?

I didn't mention anything about his origin. There are simply more Dick lookalikes among Croats. There are Serb looking Croats too, so what? It happens.
And it has nothing to do with his fair features. Just his face is very familiar.

There was a Serb member from Kosovo who was lighter than Dick and there was nothing Croatian about him.

[Moje ime]

I didn't mention anything about his origin. There are simply more Dick lookalikes among Croats. There are Serb looking Croats too, so what? It happens.
And it has nothing to do with his fair features. Just his face is very familiar.

There was a Serb member from Kosovo who was lighter than Dick and there was nothing Croatian about him.

Or maybe those Croats look like Serbs?

[Jana]

Or maybe those Croats look like Serbs?

Please :laugh:

[Jana]

The most southern Romanians I've seen plot with Bulgarians and most results show Romanians closer to Serbs than Greeks.

And? I said they overlap with Greeks more than Serbs do, no that they generally overlap with Greeks.
Bulgarians are very similar to Greek Macedonians, Thracians and Thessalians.

[Moje ime]

Please :laugh:

It's called overlap. :icon_yes:

[Jana]

Btw, Aromanians from Greece can be genetically Eastern Balkan like. There is a user who has Greek-Aromanian father, and he is closest to Romanians and Bulgarians.

[Dušan]

By phenotype somewhere in between, but we have distinct phenotype. Some Serbs look closer to Greeks, some look closer to Austrians.
For example my father and his sisters closer to Austrians, my mother and her brother closer to Greeks.

[Pribislav]

Btw, Aromanians from Greece can be genetically Eastern Balkan like. There is a user who has Greek-Aromanian father, and he is closest to Romanians and Bulgarians.

Aromanian guy whose results I posted here is the closest to Bulgarians.

[TheMaestro]

Imo with Greeks, but thats only because Austrians have strong Germanic input, if you asked about Slovakia or Greece I would say Slovakia.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

And? I said they overlap with Greeks more than Serbs do, no that they generally overlap with Greeks.
Bulgarians are very similar to Greek Macedonians, Thracians and Thessalians.


In order for Romanians to overlap more with Greeks than Serbs, they first need to overlap at all. Which we do not. What you want to say is just that we are more Med-y than Serbs, which is true. But we don't "overlap" with Greeks, we overlap with Montenegrins and Bulgarians.

[Jana]

In order for Romanians to overlap more with Greeks than Serbs, they first need to overlap at all. Which we do not. What you want to say is just that we are more Med-y than Serbs, which is true. But we don't "overlap" with Greeks, we overlap with Montenegrins and Bulgarians.

Which Greeks? Greeks are genetically heretogenous. Seya overlaps Macedonian Slavs (except for mongoloid input), who are very close to Macedonian Greeks.
I am sure there are tons of southern Romanians overlapping northern Greeks, these populations are quite close.

Especially those Romanians with Vlach roots, like Ixulescu. Pretty sure he would plot with Bulgarians, Macedonians and northern Greeks if the DNA tested.

[Jana]

Here are some DNA results of northern Greeks:

Macedonia

1 Baltic 24.91
2 East_Med 20.39
3 North_Atlantic 19.35
4 West_Med 17.65
5 West_Asian 13.93
6 Red_Sea 1.85
7 Siberian 1.71
8 Sub-Saharan 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.28
2 Romanian 5.51
3 Serbian 9.29
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.73
5 Moldavian 13.13
6 Central_Greek 15.93
7 Italian_Abruzzo 16.35
8 Croatian 16.45
9 Tuscan 17.06
10 Hungarian 17.12
11 East_Sicilian 17.42
12 West_Sicilian 18.16
13 North_Italian 18.46
14 Ashkenazi 18.97
15 Austrian 20.27
16 South_Italian 20.46
17 East_German 22.01
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 22.44
19 South_Polish 23.48
20 Ukrainian 23.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 93.8% Bulgarian + 6.2% Kabardin @ 2.47
2 94.4% Bulgarian + 5.6% North_Ossetian @ 2.5
3 94.2% Bulgarian + 5.8% Adygei @ 2.51
4 94.1% Bulgarian + 5.9% Balkar @ 2.52
5 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% Kumyk @ 2.56
6 95.5% Bulgarian + 4.5% Abhkasian @ 2.6
7 95.3% Bulgarian + 4.7% Georgian @ 2.63
8 94.5% Bulgarian + 5.5% Chechen @ 2.65
9 94.7% Bulgarian + 5.3% Lezgin @ 2.66
10 95.1% Bulgarian + 4.9% Ossetian @ 2.67
11 94% Bulgarian + 6% Nogay @ 2.68
12 62.4% Central_Greek + 37.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.77
13 95.4% Bulgarian + 4.6% Iranian @ 2.77
14 95.4% Bulgarian + 4.6% Kurdish @ 2.78
15 95.1% Bulgarian + 4.9% Tabassaran @ 2.78
16 95.4% Bulgarian + 4.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.79
17 94.9% Bulgarian + 5.1% Azeri @ 2.81
18 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Cyprian @ 2.83
19 95.6% Bulgarian + 4.4% Armenian @ 2.84
20 95.2% Bulgarian + 4.8% Turkmen @ 2.84


1 East_Med 22.52
2 North_Atlantic 21.56
3 Baltic 19.64
4 West_Med 17.76
5 West_Asian 14.18
6 Red_Sea 2.54
7 Siberian 1.27
8 East_Asian 0.3
9 Oceanian 0.2
10 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 5
2 Greek_Thessaly 5.89
3 Romanian 6.83
4 Serbian 11.16
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.17
6 Central_Greek 11.7
7 Tuscan 12.43
8 East_Sicilian 13.21
9 West_Sicilian 13.39
10 North_Italian 14.93
11 Ashkenazi 15.22
12 South_Italian 16.06
13 Moldavian 16.99
14 Hungarian 19.24
15 Croatian 20.05
16 Austrian 21.49
17 Sephardic_Jewish 21.66
18 Italian_Jewish 21.81
19 Portuguese 21.89
20 Algerian_Jewish 22.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 80.3% Romanian + 19.7% Cyprian @ 1.8
2 70.3% Bulgarian + 29.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.85
3 63.8% Romanian + 36.2% Central_Greek @ 1.92
4 70.1% Central_Greek + 29.9% South_Polish @ 2.08
5 72% Bulgarian + 28% Central_Greek @ 2.26
6 76.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.9% Erzya @ 2.26
7 71.2% Romanian + 28.8% South_Italian @ 2.3
8 78.2% Bulgarian + 21.8% South_Italian @ 2.32
9 81.8% Romanian + 18.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.35
10 76.6% Central_Greek + 23.4% Estonian @ 2.36
11 76.3% Central_Greek + 23.7% Finnish @ 2.38
12 84.2% Romanian + 15.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.4
13 51.2% Serbian + 48.8% Central_Greek @ 2.42
14 83.1% Bulgarian + 16.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.44
15 67.1% Romanian + 32.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.47
16 73.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 26.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.48
17 71.1% Serbian + 28.9% Cyprian @ 2.48
18 75% Bulgarian + 25% East_Sicilian @ 2.51
19 83.9% Romanian + 16.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.52
20 73.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 26.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.52

1 East_Med 25.15
2 Baltic 24.8
3 West_Med 19.75
4 North_Atlantic 16.48
5 West_Asian 10.53
6 Red_Sea 1.98
7 South_Asian 1.14
8 Oceanian 0.14
9 East_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 6.77
2 Greek_Thessaly 8.21
3 Romanian 9.56
4 Serbian 13.08
5 Central_Greek 14.33
6 East_Sicilian 15.5
7 Ashkenazi 15.92
8 Italian_Abruzzo 16.02
9 West_Sicilian 16.61
10 Tuscan 16.7
11 Moldavian 16.98
12 South_Italian 18.56
13 North_Italian 19.14
14 Croatian 19.88
15 Hungarian 20.98
16 Algerian_Jewish 22.76
17 Italian_Jewish 23.21
18 Sephardic_Jewish 23.78
19 Austrian 24.13
20 East_German 25.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 50.7% Ukrainian + 49.3% Cyprian @ 5.19
2 84.1% Greek_Thessaly + 15.9% Erzya @ 5.32
3 89% Bulgarian + 11% Samaritan @ 5.39
4 89.4% Bulgarian + 10.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.42
5 82.3% Greek_Thessaly + 17.7% Southwest_Russian @ 5.43
6 58.5% Croatian + 41.5% Cyprian @ 5.45
7 56.7% Algerian_Jewish + 43.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.46
8 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% Cyprian @ 5.46
9 82.6% Greek_Thessaly + 17.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.49
10 79.3% Bulgarian + 20.7% Ashkenazi @ 5.53
11 85.7% Greek_Thessaly + 14.3% Lithuanian @ 5.54
12 56.4% Algerian_Jewish + 43.6% Southwest_Russian @ 5.54
13 83.9% Greek_Thessaly + 16.1% Estonian_Polish @ 5.58
14 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.63
15 85.5% Bulgarian + 14.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.65
16 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% Belorussian @ 5.67
17 92.5% Bulgarian + 7.5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.69
18 84% Greek_Thessaly + 16% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.7
19 84.8% Greek_Thessaly + 15.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.75
20 54.3% Algerian_Jewish + 45.7% Ukrainian @ 5.79

1 Baltic 22.31
2 North_Atlantic 20.91
3 East_Med 20.39
4 West_Med 20.07
5 West_Asian 12.02
6 South_Asian 1.03
7 Siberian 0.97
8 East_Asian 0.97
9 Oceanian 0.74
10 Red_Sea 0.58

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 3.21
2 Romanian 5.32
3 Greek_Thessaly 7.8
4 Serbian 9.43
5 Tuscan 13.93
6 Moldavian 14.42
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.45
8 Central_Greek 14.53
9 North_Italian 14.97
10 West_Sicilian 15.72
11 East_Sicilian 15.99
12 Hungarian 17.49
13 Croatian 17.51
14 Ashkenazi 17.87
15 South_Italian 18.79
16 Austrian 19.93
17 Portuguese 21.47
18 East_German 21.79
19 French 22.11
20 Spanish_Galicia 22.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 93.8% Bulgarian + 6.2% Sardinian @ 2.18
2 80.4% Bulgarian + 19.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.67
3 91.5% Bulgarian + 8.5% South_Italian @ 2.7
4 90% Bulgarian + 10% West_Sicilian @ 2.7
5 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Central_Greek @ 2.74
6 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Tuscan @ 2.79
7 91% Bulgarian + 9% East_Sicilian @ 2.81
8 94.1% Bulgarian + 5.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.82
9 90.5% Bulgarian + 9.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.84
10 91.1% Bulgarian + 8.9% North_Italian @ 2.87
11 94.5% Bulgarian + 5.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.88
12 95.8% Bulgarian + 4.2% Cyprian @ 2.93
13 95% Bulgarian + 5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.94
14 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.97
15 95.2% Bulgarian + 4.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.98
16 96.1% Bulgarian + 3.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3
17 96.3% Bulgarian + 3.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.01
18 66.2% Greek_Thessaly + 33.8% Moldavian @ 3.03
19 96.4% Bulgarian + 3.6% Turkish @ 3.03
20 97.3% Bulgarian + 2.7% Armenian @ 3.04

Thessaly

1 West_Med 21.83
2 East_Med 21.12
3 North_Atlantic 18.87
4 Baltic 17.79
5 West_Asian 13.51
6 Red_Sea 4.61
7 East_Asian 1.53
8 Oceanian 0.39
9 Amerindian 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

1 Greek_Thessaly 4.76
2 Bulgarian 7.73
3 Romanian 9.75
4 Central_Greek 9.97
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.42
6 East_Sicilian 11.34
7 Tuscan 11.42
8 West_Sicilian 11.69
9 Serbian 13.85
10 North_Italian 14.2
11 South_Italian 14.27
12 Ashkenazi 14.52
13 Moldavian 19.06
14 Algerian_Jewish 20.09
15 Sephardic_Jewish 20.35
16 Italian_Jewish 20.46
17 Portuguese 21.64
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.87
19 Hungarian 22.04
20 Croatian 22.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 66.6% Central_Greek + 33.4% Moldavian @ 3.28
2 70.1% Central_Greek + 29.9% Croatian @ 3.43
3 57.5% South_Italian + 42.5% Moldavian @ 3.47
4 75.2% Central_Greek + 24.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.49
5 76.1% Central_Greek + 23.9% Ukrainian @ 3.59
6 63.6% East_Sicilian + 36.4% Moldavian @ 3.72
7 78% Central_Greek + 22% Polish @ 3.75
8 67.2% South_Italian + 32.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.76
9 57.8% Bulgarian + 42.2% Central_Greek @ 3.81
10 61.4% South_Italian + 38.6% Croatian @ 3.84
11 76.2% Central_Greek + 23.8% South_Polish @ 3.91
12 50.7% Romanian + 49.3% Central_Greek @ 3.92
13 61.5% Bulgarian + 38.5% East_Sicilian @ 3.94
14 68.4% South_Italian + 31.6% Ukrainian @ 3.95
15 87.6% Greek_Thessaly + 12.4% Moldavian @ 3.95
16 79.1% Central_Greek + 20.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.97
17 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% South_Italian @ 3.98
18 67.3% East_Sicilian + 32.7% Croatian @ 4.02
19 72.4% Greek_Thessaly + 27.6% Bulgarian @ 4.03
20 81.6% Central_Greek + 18.4% Lithuanian @ 4.07

Vlach/Aromanian

1 North_Atlantic 22.21
2 West_Med 20.33
3 Baltic 19.88
4 East_Med 19.73
5 West_Asian 11.84
6 Red_Sea 4.68
7 Oceanian 0.67
8 East_Asian 0.66

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 5.1
2 Romanian 6.22
3 Greek_Thessaly 6.63
4 Serbian 9.98
5 Tuscan 11.39
6 Italian_Abruzzo 12.27
7 North_Italian 12.77
8 Central_Greek 13.04
9 West_Sicilian 13.62
10 East_Sicilian 14.21
11 Moldavian 15.89
12 Ashkenazi 16.78
13 South_Italian 17.23
14 Hungarian 18.15
15 Croatian 18.76
16 Portuguese 19.3
17 Spanish_Extremadura 19.89
18 Austrian 19.91
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.93
20 French 20.54

This one is Greek Aromanian, with Greek identity. Apparently many were Hellenised.

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 25.95
2 Baltic 23.56
3 East_Med 19.35
4 West_Med 16.11
5 West_Asian 9.72
6 Red_Sea 3.09
7 Siberian 1.2
8 Oceanian 0.53
9 Amerindian 0.27
10 Northeast_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

1 Romanian 2.83
2 Bulgarian 4.72
3 Serbian 4.84
4 Greek_Thessaly 11.23
5 Moldavian 11.97
6 Hungarian 12.71
7 Croatian 14.32
8 North_Italian 14.64
9 Tuscan 14.7
10 Austrian 15.08
11 Italian_Abruzzo 16.5
12 East_German 17.21
13 West_German 17.94
14 Central_Greek 17.96
15 West_Sicilian 17.99
16 French 18.02
17 East_Sicilian 19.01
18 Portuguese 19.19
19 South_Dutch 19.53
20 Spanish_Galicia 19.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 85.1% Serbian + 14.9% Italian_Jewish @ 1.18
2 85.2% Serbian + 14.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.2
3 86.8% Serbian + 13.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.39
4 81.4% Serbian + 18.6% Ashkenazi @ 1.42
5 87.1% Serbian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.55
6 61.2% Central_Greek + 38.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.56
7 65.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.3% Estonian @ 1.56
8 85.7% Serbian + 14.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.6
9 82.8% Serbian + 17.2% South_Italian @ 1.65
10 78.3% Serbian + 21.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.67
11 79.8% Serbian + 20.2% West_Sicilian @ 1.69
12 80.7% Serbian + 19.3% East_Sicilian @ 1.71
13 62.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 37.2% Belorussian @ 1.75
14 60.1% Hungarian + 39.9% East_Sicilian @ 1.76
15 58.7% Hungarian + 41.3% Central_Greek @ 1.79
16 80% Serbian + 20% Central_Greek @ 1.83
17 53.2% Greek_Thessaly + 46.8% Hungarian @ 1.91
18 61.6% Hungarian + 38.4% Ashkenazi @ 1.92
19 88.3% Serbian + 11.7% Cyprian @ 1.97
20 89.8% Serbian + 10.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.97

[Vožd]

Greece.

[MustafaTekin]

Vikingness > orthodox brotherhood :p

[alnortedelsur]

Closer in looks to Northern continental Greeks than to Austrians, but in looks to Austrians than to Island Greeks or Anatolian Greeks.

[Dorian]

Anything south of the alps line overlaps better with each other.

[Dorian]

Northern Greeks aren't anything special either...

[CommonSense]

....

These Austrian athletes are vastly different to anyone in the Balkans. Just the number of natural blondes is uncanny.

[Vožd]

Northern Greeks aren't anything special either...

Based on Lavrentis teories, they are Anatolians mostly :D

[ooops]

https://i.ibb.co/0YVNvfd/main-qimg-f1aadde0c2d9461cd28387a9db135b1d.png

Serbs are genetically closer to Hungarians and Austrians than to Mainland Greeks. If we include the Greek Islanders,the answer is even more clear

[Dorian]

Based on Lavrentis teories, they are Anatolians mostly :D

True but when the term is used it's supposed to mean the locals..(some kind of viking aliens in the imaginations of some)(same goes for most regional divisions created in this forum)

[Dušan]

Nice song about Serbian-Greek friendship and solidarity in Balkan wars, WW1 and WW2.

They wanted to enslave us,
but love was stronger
than wishes of conquerors.

We again broke their dreams,
because we are stronger day after day.
Between us love stay even today,
Proud Serbia and eternal Ellada.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRHewRxIP8M

[Hulu]

Greece, they have pontids in common, lots of them. They don't overlap with Austria at all.

[Hulu]

Serbs, can you post your IBD sharing locations on 23andme

[Zroota]

The Serbs I've seen in Australia looked more similar to central/northeastern Europeans, whereas Greeks/Italians in here look generally look very "Med islander" (perhaps they all come from there?). So, based on my experience, I'd have to go with Austrians.

The girls looked like the actress Mila Jovavich and the guys looked like Leonardo DiCaprio in general (if you want celeb comparisons to get the picture)...

[Crn Volk]

Greece

[Hungarian_master]

I think, both in equal measure.

[The Blade]

Austria by a small margin.

[chociprasa]

Greece.

[Tooting Carmen]

Austria by a small margin.

How come?

[The Blade]

How come?
I think they share a little higher amount of phenotypes with Austrians than with Greeks as a whole.

[Celestia]

There aren’t many Serbs in Houston but judging from the ones I’ve seen I’d say Austria.

[Tooting Carmen]

I think they share a little higher amount of phenotypes with Austrians than with Greeks as a whole.

While my own inclination is to say 50/50, I think it is marginally in favour of Greece. This is because many Greeks do look Balkan in a way that relatively few Austrians do, even though Serbia has nowhere near the percentage of very dark Med types Greece has.

[CostaRicaBall]

Austria, serbs have very weird features but several of them are far lighter than greeks so they will stand out in Greece.

[The Blade]

While my own inclination is to say 50/50, I think it is marginally in favour of Greece. This is because many Greeks do look Balkan in a way that relatively few Austrians do, even though Serbia has nowhere near the percentage of very dark Med types Greece has.
It's close, either way.

[CommonSense]

While my own inclination is to say 50/50, I think it is marginally in favour of Greece. This is because many Greeks do look Balkan in a way that relatively few Austrians do, even though Serbia has nowhere near the percentage of very dark Med types Greece has.

I have never personally stood out so much among the locals in a country like I did in Austria. The difference really needs to be underlined. Dinarics don't exist in Austria, unlike some people believe, only Norids. And pure Alpines, without and Nordid influence, are uncommon.

[Jana]

I have never personally stood out so much among the locals in a country like I did in Austria. The difference really needs to be underlined. Dinarics don't exist in Austria, unlike some people believe, only Norids. And pure Alpines, without and Nordid influence, are uncommon.

There are dinaric Austrians, but they have southern Germanic vibe. This guy was dark pigmented btw.
https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/public/styles/tiff_conversion/public/photographs/72/72-916.tif.jpg?itok=e_7UQWj6
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ernst-kaltenbrunner-on-the-witness-stand-testifies-on-his-own-behalf-picture-id615309160

[CommonSense]

There are dinaric Austrians, but they have southern Germanic vibe. This guy was dark pigmented btw.
https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/public/styles/tiff_conversion/public/photographs/72/72-916.tif.jpg?itok=e_7UQWj6
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ernst-kaltenbrunner-on-the-witness-stand-testifies-on-his-own-behalf-picture-id615309160

He's more like a dinaricized Atlantid.

[Jana]

He's more like a dinaricized Atlantid.

Now that you say, you are right.

[Tooting Carmen]

He's more like a dinaricized Atlantid.

More-or-less.

[Tooting Carmen]

I have never personally stood out so much among the locals in a country like I did in Austria.

Even more than in any country north or west of it?

[Tauromachos]

Since I’m the epitome of a pure Serb I’ll say Austria because I’ve never been asked if my background is Greek in Canada

Thats a solid argument

[aherne]

They don't look like either. A draw...

[Rgvgjhvv]

Austria but not by a landslide or anything

[Tauromachos]

Intermediate with leaning towards Austria maybe

[Renekton]

Greece

[Roy]

Austria by tiny bit?

[itilvolga]

Both in equal measures, also depends on the region.

[Maintenance]

Austria

[Lioncourt]

Interesting how most say Austria when it's Serbs but if it was Bulgarians most would say Greece.

Obviously Serbia is the land of Germanic phenotypes on the Balkans according to Apricity anthropologists.

[Tooting Carmen]

Interesting how most say Austria when it's Serbs but if it was Bulgarians most would say Greece.

Obviously Serbia is the land of Germanic phenotypes on the Balkans according to Apricity anthropologists.

I find Serbs and Bulgarians to look slightly different - the former a tad lighter and more Central Euro-shifted than the latter. All the same, for what it's worth I myself did say earlier that Serbs pass better in Greece than Austria but not by much.

[Lioncourt]

I find Serbs and Bulgarians to look slightly different - the former a tad lighter and more Central Euro-shifted than the latter. All the same, for what it's worth I myself did say earlier that Serbs pass better in Greece than Austria but not by much.

Still, most people go by stereotyping, not that Serbs and Bulgarians look the same or either resemble Greeks much, but with Austrians we have very little in common, in fact we share much more types with French and Italians than with Austrians.

[Pribislav]

Interesting how most say Austria when it's Serbs but if it was Bulgarians most would say Greece.

Obviously Serbia is the land of Germanic phenotypes on the Balkans according to Apricity anthropologists.

Serbian actor Tanasije Uzunović look Germanic (he is from Niš, SE Serbia)

http://www.politika.rs/old/uploads/rubrike//166015/i/1/Picture%20330%20A.jpg
https://iv1.lisimg.com/image/6812757/200full-tanasije-uzunovic.jpg


Other Germanic looking Serbian actor is Bogdan Diklić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Diklić
https://kolektiv.me/cache/images/27-03-2020/743-418-5b1ea5467161e.jpg
https://www.gloria.rs/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Diklic-700x1049.jpg
https://p-portal.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Bogdan-Diklic.jpg


Tanasije Uzunović and Bogdan Diklić have ofted acted Germans in Yugoslavian partisan movies.

[Tauromachos]

Still, most people go by stereotyping, not that Serbs and Bulgarians look the same or either resemble Greeks much, but with Austrians we have very little in common, in fact we share much more types with French and Italians than with Austrians.

I don't doubt that Serbs look a bit more like Austrians when a Serbian poster Dick says so and supports this with a reasonable argument from his real life experience and also a few other posters say the same

Austrians do not exactly look like Germans you could say also Austrians in their turn are similar to Serbs in some regards

At the bottom line i'd say among Serbs you find people who look more like Greeks and ones who look more like Austrians,so

Both in Equal measure might broadly apply but with a shift towards Austria

[FinalFlash]

Based off what I've seen, I'd have to go with Greece. Serbs look more dissimilar to Austrians than they look to Greeks imo.

[brennus dux gallorum]

slightly closer to Austria. the majority of Serbs are Alpine, and so are most of Austrians, it's mostly pigmentation that is different between them, and that eastern European types are more common in Serbia

[Jana]

the majority of Serbs are Alpine

LOOL. Majority of Serbs by not alpine at all, and they have very different facial features than Austrians. Pontid (younger people) and DinaroCM (older generations) are by far main 2 types among Serbs.
Only in northern Serbia-Vojvodina is alpine more common.

[Jana]

Austrians are rather more Norid than Alpine also, from my observation. Alpine is more dominant in southern Germany.
Older generations of Serbs actually passed lot more easily as Austrians than younger Serbs do, because these dinaroCM types looked pseudo western European in many cases and passable in Austria.

Younger Serbs like most dinaric Slavs are very Pontid and have eastern euro/Slavic vibe.

[Faklon]

Croatia, same people.

[Jana]

Croatia, same people.

Like Greeks and Turks.

[brennus dux gallorum]

LOOL. Majority of Serbs by not alpine at all, and they have very different facial features than Austrians. Pontid (younger people) and DinaroCM (older generations) are by far main 2 types among Serbs.
Only in northern Serbia-Vojvodina is alpine more common.

That's at least what a Serb said in another forum:noidea: (not that they are similar to Austrians, but that the majority is alpine)

[Terminator98]

LOOL. Majority of Serbs by not alpine at all, and they have very different facial features than Austrians. Pontid (younger people) and DinaroCM (older generations) are by far main 2 types among Serbs.
Only in northern Serbia-Vojvodina is alpine more common.

I'm glad I'm young, but I still retained that old-fashioned look. :laugh::laugh:
Btw, what would be 2 main types among Croats (I believe there is difference between older and younger generations in Croatia too)?

[CommonSense]

Still, most people go by stereotyping, not that Serbs and Bulgarians look the same or either resemble Greeks much, but with Austrians we have very little in common, in fact we share much more types with French and Italians than with Austrians.

I don't think anyone here's actually been in all three countries, especially not in Austria. Dinarid Austrians, what a joke :lol:

[Jana]

That's at least what a Serb said in another forum:noidea: (not that they are similar to Austrians, but that the majority is alpine)

This guy is great example of typical young Serb (Commonsense agreed), does he pass better in Greece or Austria?
https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/336382-1564081118.jpg
https://www.idowa.de/media.media.3e1fed97-eac8-4d23-aba9-ea53c05a4919.original1024.jpg

You won't find such face among ethnic Austrians easily, but in northern Greece where many people have SE Slavic and Vlach roots, you might.

[Jana]

I don't think anyone here's actually been in all three countries, especially not in Austria. Dinarid Austrians, what a joke :lol:

I have been to Austria many times, and dinaric influenced types are extremelly common, more so than in Bulgaria for example. Same for Slovenia.
But their Norids and Dinarids don't look Balkan at all, they look central Euro Germanic.

[Decius]

Equal distance

[brennus dux gallorum]

This guy is great example of typical young Serb (Commonsense agreed), does he pass better in Greece or Austria?
https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/336382-1564081118.jpg
https://www.idowa.de/media.media.3e1fed97-eac8-4d23-aba9-ea53c05a4919.original1024.jpg

You won't find such face among ethnic Austrians easily, but in northern Greece where many people have SE Slavic and Vlach roots, you might.

by pigmentation he could be Greek, but his facial structure is very different from Greek one. That of course doesn't mean he looks Austrian

[Decius]

slightly closer to Austria. the majority of Serbs are Alpine, and so are most of Austrians, it's mostly pigmentation that is different between them, and that eastern European types are more common in Serbia

Majority of Serbs aren’t alpine. Serbia has some of the tallest people in the world on average and pontid/dinaric types are just as common as alpine.

[Terminator98]

Croatia, same people.

Like Greeks and Turks.

Both of you are wrong.

[Jana]

by pigmentation he could be Greek, but his facial structure is very different from Greek one. That of course doesn't mean he looks Austrian

He's actually Gorid-Pontid mix, so alpine influenced, but he is far from standard west Alpine type and looks typical Balkan Slav. Probably passes better in west Ukraine/Slovakia than Austria or most of Greece.

[Jana]

Both of you are wrong.

I was just joking, but I don't get it why people like to troll.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Both of you are wrong.

especially the second one

[PaleoEuropean]

Since I’m the epitome of a pure Serb I’ll say Austria because I’ve never been asked if my background is Greek in Canada

I would agree, people overlook the fact that Dinaric traits are found all through western and northern Europe.

[Jana]

I'm glad I'm young, but I still retained that old-fashioned look. :laugh::laugh:
Btw, what would be 2 main types among Croats (I believe there is difference between older and younger generations in Croatia too)?

Older generation is very Dinarid/Noric or/and Balkan Borreby (in general) and Alpine (more in Panonnia).

Among younger major type it's like this:

Dinaro-Pontids (south)
Alpino-Gorids (north)

[CommonSense]

I have been to Austria many times, and dinaric influenced types are extremelly common, more so than in Bulgaria for example. Same for Slovenia.
But their Norids and Dinarids don't look Balkan at all, they look central Euro Germanic.

A few individuals look Norid or Norid/Alpine mix, but by far the majority of them are Nordid-Alpines, more commonly know here as Subnordids. Here, for example you can search for photos of Austrian students:

https://www.google.com/search?q=austrian+students&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih-N3e57voAhWm-ioKHY4-AHIQ_AUoAXoECBQQAw&biw=1920&bih=916

Not only are they very different from anyone in the Balkans, but by all physical parameters they're closer to even Finns than us.

[Jana]

A few individuals look Norid or Norid/Alpine mix, but by far the majority of them are Nordid-Alpines, more commonly know here as Subnordids. Here, for example you can search for photos of Austrian students:

https://www.google.com/search?q=austrian+students&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih-N3e57voAhWm-ioKHY4-AHIQ_AUoAXoECBQQAw&biw=1920&bih=916

Not only are they very different from anyone in the Balkans, but by all physical parameters they're closer to even Finns than us.

Dinarisation isn't visible in young age, Decius is best example, looked Neo-Danubian just two years ago and now look very dinaric.
here for example plenty are norids, just look at their noses, ears, face shapes
https://www.debatingeurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Belgian-school_2.jpg

Just their features are soft due to age.

Typical Austrians
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/2020_Sebastian_Kurz_Ministerrat_am_8.1.2020_%28493 51572787%29_%28cropped%29_%28cropped%29.jpg
https://news.virginia.edu/sites/default/files/article_image/christoph_waltz_header_3-2.jpg
https://der.orf.at/unternehmen/who-is-who/tv/benni-raich-wird-orf-experte_100~_v-box__4__5_-45df73f8863ae90f70f22585a2173a62691fd74b.jpg
https://www.forbes.at/assets/images/b/FABIO-WIBMER2-8452e66a.jpg

all of these are dinarid influenced.

Dinaric influence: Austria >>> Bulgaria

[Pribislav]

LOOL. Majority of Serbs by not alpine at all, and they have very different facial features than Austrians. Pontid (younger people) and DinaroCM (older generations) are by far main 2 types among Serbs.
Only in northern Serbia-Vojvodina is alpine more common.

Serbian high school students.

Belgrade 96627

Belgrade 96626

Belgrade 96628

Kruševac 96625

Užice 96623

Novi Sad 96629

Novi Sad 96630

[Faklon]

Both of you are wrong.

Croats are Yugoslavs, they are Catholic Northern Serbs for me.

[Jana]

Croats are Yugoslavs, they are Catholic Northern Serbs for me.

Calm down, orthodox Turk.

[Pribislav]

Croats are Yugoslavs, they are Catholic Northern Serbs for me.

[Faklon]

Calm down, orthodox Turk.

I'm calm and 100% serious.

I didn't thumb you down like you did, in my eyes you are what noble Orthodoxes call "mad like a Turk". Influence from your Bosniak origin.

[Jana]

I'm calm and 100% serious.

I didn't thumb you down like you did, in my eyes you are what Orthodoxes call "mad like a Turk". Influence from your Bosniak origin.

I like Turks.:thumb001:

[Faklon]

I like Turks.

I know, roots bloody roots.

[Lioncourt]

Dinaric influence: Austria >>> Bulgaria

I disagree. All my close relatives, mother, father, grandparents and brother have been classified as Dinaric on Anthroscape. I wouldn't call any of them atypical for Bulgaria.

Both our president and prime minister are pred. Dinaric.

[Pribislav]

I disagree. All my close relatives, mother, father, grandparents and brother have been classified as Dinaric on Anthroscape. I wouldn't call any of them atypical for Bulgaria.

Both our president and prime minister are pred. Dinaric.

Your all are ancestors are Macedonian imigrants in Bulgaria, your words!

[Lioncourt]

Your all are ancestors are Macedonian imigrants in Bulgaria, your words!

Still, Dinaric types are not exclusive to Bulgarians with Macedonian roots. They are common in all mountain regions - Balkan, Rhodopes, Pirin.

[pelikarski]

I don't think anyone here's actually been in all three countries, especially not in Austria. Dinarid Austrians, what a joke :lol:

I agree, heavily Balkanic/Dinarid Austrians are rarity, dark Austrians are pred Med/Atlanto-Med and have a Western vibe.
I find them pretty distinct looking from my POV

[pelikarski]

Your all are ancestors are Macedonian imigrants in Bulgaria, your words!

He also claimed Vlach ancestry, around Vidin.

But I don't think he mentioned any of his ancestors to speak Romanian in the past

[pelikarski]

I have been to Austria many times, and dinaric influenced types are extremelly common, more so than in Bulgaria for example. Same for Slovenia.
But their Norids and Dinarids don't look Balkan at all, they look central Euro Germanic.

Yeah they do have that Germanic vibe that is alien here. Maybe not for you though, I don't like to speak on behalf of other ethnicities.

I also have been to Austria

[Lioncourt]

He also claimed Vlach ancestry, around Vidin.

Originally from Debar region, migrant to Vidin.

[CommonSense]

I agree, heavily Balkanic/Dinarid Austrians are rarity, dark Austrians are pred Med/Atlanto-Med and have a Western vibe.
I find them pretty distinct looking from my POV

Yes. As a matter of fact, and something that is always overlooked, even Brits are more dinaricized than Austrians and southern Germanics. Not all of them, but it's still visible to any observer. Take this Scottish army woman who died recently, for example, one of the most typical British faces you'll find:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/03/NINTCHDBPICT000570452347-1.jpg?strip=all&w=960

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes. As a matter of fact, and something that is always overlooked, even Brits are more dinaricized than Austrians and southern Germanics. Not all of them, but it's still visible to any observer. Take this Scottish army woman who died recently, for example, one of the most typical British faces you'll find:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/03/NINTCHDBPICT000570452347-1.jpg?strip=all&w=960

Not that typical - she honestly looks Italian to me.

[Dušan]

slightly closer to Austria. the majority of Serbs are Alpine, and so are most of Austrians, it's mostly pigmentation that is different between them, and that eastern European types are more common in Serbia

:picard1:

Our majority phenotype is not Alpine.

[Voskos]

I voted intermediate. Serbs like teodosic and krstic can pass as Greek.

[Mortimer]

Iam uncertain. I think equidistant. Some Serbs pass among austrians, some stick out. Individually I could believe that 99% or all of them are austrians even if atypical but when I go to church and see them as group they look quiete different then austrians. Our Priest in our parish is a borreby though with blue eyes, he could pass as northern. Lets say you would obeserve them from the air, you would see much darker heads then if you observed a group of austrian parisherners. And also the features are different, and more black beards.

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81749667_1480016755482927_9023001057898266624_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=BN13QJjd8FgAX-6Pk8c&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=4c1d5e3b384f5a6c506bf6f40e3715fd&oe=5EA5146B

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82295358_1480016815482921_7523056018364825600_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=mOM8iNv0ggcAX9xONR2&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=ef3d13fbcdf4859d6b1a2703f3305949&oe=5EA3E6B7

[brennus dux gallorum]

:picard1:

Our majority phenotype is not Alpine.

As i said, this is what a Serb once claimed in another forum, i have never been there to know

[Bosniensis]

Austria isn't Austrian anymore so I say Austria.

[Tooting Carmen]

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[Zeno]

Obviously Greece.

Serbs share a lot more phenotypes with Greeks (Pontid, Dinaric and Alpine), therefore, the similarities in general will inevitably be greater. They have a minority of northernmore appearance, but they're a minority, just like in Greece.

Plus, Austrian phenotypes are vastly different from those of Serbia.

[lo_ovalle]

Better pass in northern Greece than in Austria. But they pass easier in Austria than in Greek Islands or Greek-speaking Anatolia.
Mainland Greeks look pretty Balkan.

Austrians

https://www.cev.eu/NewsImages/27301/Original/Austrian%20cheering_5LH1270.jpg
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=201715129&width=1500&height=865&stretch=uniform
https://cevadmin.cev.eu/FTPFiles/Media/Objects/13/Form04_24797_Original.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdkZwyGW0AI8X_L.jpg

Serbs

http://www.fivb.org/visasp/Img_GetImage.aspx?No=201312844
https://cevadmin.cev.eu/FTPFiles/Media/Objects/5662/Form04_18845_Original.jpg
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=68159&type=Press&maxSize=920
https://cevadmin.cev.eu/FTPFiles/Media/Objects/5662/Form04_10202_Original.jpg

Greeks

https://www.cev.eu/NewsImages/20716/Original/TeamGreece.jpg
http://www.volleyball.gr/fotos/636993009054074964.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WQlMaxc.png
http://www.balkanvolleyball.org/uploads/originals/MjAxNzA0MjQxODQzNDk3NDYxMA==.JPG

Very accurate answer.

[Roy]

Not that typical - she honestly looks Italian to me.

She does not, at least not to me. Maybe she can pass as Italian but it would not be my guess at all. This Scottish woman looked (sadly in the past sense) very Scottish, I noticed that out of all Brits the Scottish people are most likely to have very sharp features, and her hair is red/auburn on top of it.

[Roy]

While my own inclination is to say 50/50, I think it is marginally in favour of Greece. This is because many Greeks do look Balkan in a way that relatively few Austrians do, even though Serbia has nowhere near the percentage of very dark Med types Greece has.

You make some accurate points here but I'd still say Austria.

[znenammi]

Greece

[Far_away]

Greece i think :D

[aherne]

Greeks are more homogeneous than both. The great majority belong to ENF types (as they do genetically), the other element being Aryan (Corded/Steppe). Serbs are a mix of both of latter + indigenous CM + Slavic influences (Baltid/EastNordid). Austrian Germans are a mix similar to that in Serbs, but with lower ENF and Slavic replaced by Germanic. Overall Greeks are more similar to Serbs, but any group of latter will include slavic-looking individuals that don't fit at all among Greeks

[Tooting Carmen]

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