The Media is already distorting the Roman paper

[Token]

Study reveals huge genetic diversity among ancient Romans, who had more in common with people from Greece, Syria and Lebanon than western Europeans

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7666029/New-study-reveals-incredible-genetic-diversity-ancient-Romans.html

[Kraftwerk]

According to media Hitler is jewish because of E1b1b. Media is for plebs.

[Dick]

We wuz kangz

https://bnp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/cheddar-man.jpg

[Voskos]

The study itself is biased in the first place ( Hungary and basques placed in the "european" cluster together with norwegians, while North italy and spain are lumped with Greece ... as well as many other examples ).

A scientific abomination imho.

[Lucas]

Study reveals huge genetic diversity among ancient Romans, who had more in common with people from Greece, Syria and Lebanon than western Europeans

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7666029/New-study-reveals-incredible-genetic-diversity-ancient-Romans.html

What did you expect from Daily Mail:) ?

[Leto]

By lumping Ancient Rome together with Middle Easterners they obviously intend to show that fucking Arabs (who are typically migrants to the West nowadays) are somehow more native to Southern Europe than Western (i.e. white) people.

[Messier 67]

Not distorting. This is Moots' Stanford paper. And Moots linked this following article as favorable on her twitter account:


That diversity increased even more as Rome became an empire. Between 27 B.C.E. and 300 C.E., the city was the capital of an empire of 50 million to 90 million people, stretching from North Africa to Britain to the Middle East. Its population grew to more than 1 million people. The genetic "diversity was just overwhelming," Pinhasi says.

But people from certain parts of the empire were far more likely to move to the capital. The study suggests the vast majority of immigrants to Rome came from the East. Of 48 individuals sampled from this period, only two showed strong genetic ties to Europe. Another two had strong North African ancestry. The rest had ancestry connecting them to Greece, Syria, Lebanon, and other places in the Eastern Mediterranean and Middle East.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/11/many-imperial-romans-had-roots-middle-east-genetic-history-shows

[Messier 67]

According to media Hitler is jewish because of E1b1b. Media is for plebs.

His father, Alois, is thought to have been the illegitimate offspring of a maid called Maria Schickelgruber and a 19-year-old Jewish man called Frankenberger.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html

[Messier 67]

Lumping Ancient Rome with Middle Easterners they obviously intend to show that fucking Arabs (who are typically migrants to the West nowadays) are somehow more native to Southern Europe than Western (i.e. white) people.

Most Arabs are Caucasian White.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oBjV9YZlwGI/TRl0LINxxCI/AAAAAAAAAIo/r0fkEZr3SPE/s1600/ejhg2009166f1.jpg

We wuz hut builders before we learned civilization from white Caucasian Middle Easterners. Well that is actually true.

[Token]

Not distorting. This is Moots' Stanford paper. And Moots linked this following article as favorable on her twitter account:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/11/many-imperial-romans-had-roots-middle-east-genetic-history-shows

Republican Romans were South French/North Italian/Iberian-like, aka Western Europeans.

[Calpurnius]

Dailymail, no surprise at all, whatever it takes to destroy anything Europeans hold dear.
What actual Romans thought about Greeks and Syrians it's another thing.

Nequissimum et indocile genus illorum

Vilissima genera hominum et servituti nata

[Kraftwerk]

His father, Alois, is thought to have been the illegitimate offspring of a maid called Maria Schickelgruber and a 19-year-old Jewish man called Frankenberger.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html

Point is E1b1b can't be just classified as Jewish. Haplogroups don't decide people's ethnicity in personal examples. I can have smth Mongolid y dna from 20-30 generations as a Turk, this 1/2^30 can't make me Mongol for example. Despite of this fact, fuccking NPC writers are shitting on papers and screens.
Hitler can't be an inside job as nosery's implications. You don't kill yourself for an inside job. Right wing Frenchmen, Poles want this to be real generally to justify their perspective, but it's not.

[Kamal900]

This is so stupid, I swear. Leave the ancient genetics to us anthrotards.

[Leto]

Arabs are neither genetically, nor culturally, nor geographically European in any meaningful way, therefore they cannot be white by definition. Should I explain it in a European cultural community? Lol.

[MinervaItalica]

Rome is fallen because there were germanic mixed mutts in charge. No wonder they achieved basically nothing during Late Empire...

[Voskos]

I quote user calpurnius


What actual Romans thought about Greeks and Syrians it's another thing.

Lumping Greeks (south-shifted europeans) together with syrians (asians) might be the reason why Romans ended up plotting where they do today.

Also , come on, you people mongrelized the mediterranean during two millenia and now you're putting the blame on Greeks?

[MinervaItalica]

By lumping Ancient Rome together with Middle Easterners they obviously intend to show that fucking Arabs (who are typically migrants to the West nowadays) are somehow more native to Southern Europe than Western (i.e. white) people.

Are you impling southern europeans arent "white"? :confused:

[Messier 67]

Roman citizens were Romans. Those plebs in Rome were Romans. Rome was a multicultural capital of an Empire. The Latins were steppe kurgans, but Rome was multi-ethnic.

So an Irish living in New York City is not a New Yorker because they are not Dutch! lol. That is a good joke.

[Leto]

Are you impling southern europeans arent "white"? :confused:
No, I mean it's quite common to hear "Southern Europeans look the same as Arabs or Turks", things like that. In Northern countries people tend to think the South (both European and non-European) is more uniform than it actually is. Not my own opinion of course.

[Messier 67]

Arabs are neither genetically, nor culturally, nor geographically European in any meaningful way, therefore they cannot be white by definition. Should I explain it in a European cultural community? Lol.

Those who originated in Burma as P* are not white, but Southeast Asians imposing as white. Can this be any clearer to native white Europeans.

[Token]

Messier is probably a butthurt Arab.

[Messier 67]

Are you impling southern europeans arent "white"? :confused:

That is what these white imposters are trying to do, saying Greeks and Italians are not white because they are from the CAUCASUS MTS.

Caucasians are white, by default, which is why I have to defend Arabs' whiteness, or else these fake whites will go after the Ancient Greeks and Ancient Multi-ethnic Romans (Italians).

[Bakha]

Arabs are neither genetically, nor culturally, nor geographically European in any meaningful way, therefore they cannot be white by definition. Should I explain it in a European cultural community? Lol.
That’s obvious to us, but try to explain that to brainwashed sjw leftists. You would get a social stigma “fkin bigot”

[Leto]

Caucasians are white, by default, which is why I have to defend Arabs' whiteness, or else these fake whites will go after the Ancient Greeks and Ancient Multi-ethnic Romans (Italians).
LOL
Well, Minerva Italica probably feels closer to Arabs than to Germans, he kinda lives in some distant past xD

[Calpurnius]

I quote user calpurnius



Lumping Greeks (south-shifted europeans) together with syrians (asians) might be the reason why Romans ended up plotting where they do today.

Also , come on, you people mongrelized the mediterranean during two millenia and now you're putting the blame on Greeks?

I'm not judging, it's simply a matter of distinguishing things, a Roman(Italic) is one thing, a Greek is another, a Syrian another one, and ancients Romans were already lamenting how the streets of Rome were unrecognizeably foreign. And it's not like they were getting the best of Greeks in all likelihood, those Graeculi they looked down upon were probably the dregs of Greece.

Roman used to mean something special in the Republic, so much that the aristocracy even resisted the right of citizenship by birth to nearby Italics as long as they could, until by the time of Caracalla everyone and their grandma within the borders of the Empire was formally "Roman", which is to say, nobody was Roman.

[Leto]

Multiculturalism, mass immigration and lack of social cohesion were among the reasons why Rome declined. And yet you see those globalists praising the "diversity" of the Roman Empire. In the Middle Ages at least everyone was Christian and even that didn't preclude nations from fighting each other.

[Messier 67]

I'm not judging, it's simply a matter of distinguishing things, a Roman(Italic) is one thing, a Greek is another, a Syrian another one, and ancients Romans were already lamenting how the streets of Rome were unrecognizeably foreign. And it's not like they were getting the best of Greeks in all likelihood, those Graeculi they looked down upon were probably the dregs of Greece.

Roman used to mean something special in the Republic, so much that the aristocracy even resisted the right of citizenship by birth to nearby Italics as long as they could, until by the time of Caracalla everyone and their grandma within the borders of the Empire was formally "Roman", which is to say, nobody was Roman.

Like the Irish and Poles becoming New Yorkers. 'Unwashed filth' lol

Soon everybody is calling themselves in New Yorker who lives in New York. Who would have thought!

Listen to this Greek members, Rome was not getting the best of Greeks. There you have it, this trumpism, Greeks are now the Mexicans! lol

Greeks are now 'filthy', next is Italians, Central and Southern Italians are going to be labeled undesireable, as the Lega Nord claims. Before the Lega hated Gypsies and Muslims, they hated Romans and Southern Italians.

Neo-nazis exposing themselves.

[Karol Klačansky]

Republican Romans were South French/North Italian/Iberian-like, aka Western Europeans.Explains why busts of Julius cesar look so western European.

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[MinervaItalica]

LOL
Well, Minerva Italica probably feels closer to Arabs than to Germans, he kinda lives in some distant past xD

That is you perhaps... :thumb001:

I feel close to Italics/Romance people.

[Calpurnius]

Like the Irish and Poles becoming New Yorkers. 'Unwashed filth' lol

Soon everybody is calling themselves in New Yorker who lives in New York. Who would have thought!

Listen to this Greek members, Rome was not getting the best of Greeks. There you have it, this trumpism, Greeks are now the Mexicans! lol

Greeks are now 'filthy', next is Italians, Central and Southern Italians are going to be labeled undesireable, as the Lega Nord claims. Before the Lega hated Gypsies and Muslims, they hated Romans and Southern Italians.

Neo-nazis exposing themselves.
It's not me doing the judging, it's Romans themselves, a deeply aristocratic and elitist people, at least as long as they were Romans and weren't replaced by a grey marass of slaves and liberti.

[Leto]

Rome has always been multiculti, so stop complaining about the refugees, blacks, Muslims, Gypsies, whoever the fuck is coming!

[MinervaItalica]

Rome has always been multiculti, so stop complaining about the refugees, blacks, Muslims, Gypsies, whoever the fuck is coming!

:confused::picard1:

The situation of present day Rome is different. Do not mix apples and oranges. Only because Ancient Rome was multicultural doesn't mean we Italians have to accept all the waves of immigrants (especially illegal ones).

[Leto]

:confused::picard1:

The situation of present day Rome is different. Do not mix apples and oranges. Only because Ancient Rome was multicultural doesn't mean we Italians have to accept all the waves of immigrants (especially illegal ones).
Tell this to whoever promotes that idea, not to me. I am against all those things, in fact I strongly support Matteo Salvini as most white nationalists (I am only mildly WN, I wouldn't call myself WN personally).

[Messier 67]

It's not me doing the judging, it's Romans themselves, a deeply aristocratic and elitist people, at least as long as they were Romans and weren't replaced by a grey marass of slaves and liberti.

How can the influx of Greeks to Rome be the downfall of Rome. The Greeks carried on the Roman Empire in the East until 1453.

[Samnium]

:confused::picard1:

The situation of present day Rome is different. Do not mix apples and oranges. Only because Ancient Rome was multicultural doesn't mean we Italians have to accept all the waves of immigrants (especially illegal ones).

And sincerely this paper has difficulty to prove that all the areas of Italy have been affected like the Imperial era samples. To me it's simply not possible. There are people that say : "Oh all the s.italians have result like that and as the study show even the rural areas were affected" they are taking a bunch of samples for an absolute proof that all the peninsula was like that. :picard2:

[Samnium]

Explains why busts of Julius cesar look so western European.

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I'm a western/southern blend and I look like a mixture between Augustus/Caesar. Coincidence ? Don't think ;)

[Voskos]

Does anyone else think that the paper is indirectly pushing for a pro-immigration policy on grounds that rome is supposed to always have been a salad bowl?

[Calpurnius]

How can the influx of Greeks to Rome be the downfall of Rome. The Greeks carried on the Roman Empire in the East until 1453.
I wouldn't say that, it was a combination of things, among which, internally, the deterioration of Roman aristocracy and of Romans themselves through fratricidal wars and purges(e.g Syllan proscriptions and later Augustan ones) and migrations themselves to Rome of the dregs of the Empire couple with low fertility rates in the city, externally the well known troubles with barbarians and plagues, famines, etc...
Greek culture on one hand brought a certain refinement and philosophical maturity to Rome, but it also weakened the mos maiorum and the austere pious simplicity of ancient Romans just as Cato had feared and warned about, though that had already begun once Punics had been defeated and masses of wealth had arrived to Rome.

[Leto]

Does anyone else think that the paper is indirectly pushing for a pro-immigration policy on grounds that rome is supposed to always have been a salad bowl?
They always do it. Instantly politicize everything only for it to fit the dominant narrative. How else would you explain all the black Romans, Greeks, Muslim Vikings, etc.

[J. Ketch]

The paper's author Moots and the science publications were already pushing this angle before the MSM got involved.

[Smeagol]

So Republican Romans were North Italian-like? Is that established beyond doubt?

[Karol Klačansky]

So Republican Romans were North Italian-like? Is that established beyond doubt?Something between northern Italians, southern French, and north western Spaniards

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[Adamastor]

Something between northern Italians, southern French, and north western Spaniards

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More or less, some were more like Tuscans even. Romans clustered closer to modern Piedmontese and all Iberian populations.

[Samnium]

More or less, some were more like Tuscans even. Romans clustered closer to modern Piedmontese and all Iberian populations.What's even more amazing is that they are also not that far to French that are considered as a celtic/gaullish people.



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[Token]

What's even more amazing is that they are also not that far to French that are considered as a celtic/gaullish people.
There is a study with lots of Gaulish samples coming next year. I bet my ass they will turn out to be closest to southern French.
Since even Central Italians seems to have been affected by barbarian migrations, central and northern French are probably more northern shifted today due to Germanic admixture.

[SharpFork]

There is a study with lots of Gaulish samples coming next year. I bet my ass they will turn out to be closest to southern French.
Since even Central Italians seems to have been affected by barbarian migrations, central and northern French are probably more northern shifted today due to Germanic admixture.
I doubt it, I think it would rather be Central French, otherwise Iron Age Latins would be way too close to Celtic populations. Plus it's important to specify which populations exactly, it's arguable that non-La Tene people in Toxandria would be pretty Northern.

[Samnium]

There is a study with lots of Gaulish samples coming next year. I bet my ass they will turn out to be closest to southern French.
Since even Central Italians seems to have been affected by barbarian migrations, central and northern French are probably more northern shifted today due to Germanic admixture.I thought about that some days ago yes. Northern and Eastern France have received a german input indoubtetly making them more northern than what an original gaul would look like.

[山有扶苏]

Where are you from in Italy

[山有扶苏]

Rome is fallen because there were germanic mixed mutts in charge. No wonder they achieved basically nothing during Late Empire...

Where are you from in Italy

[山有扶苏]

Rome is fallen because there were germanic mixed mutts in charge. No wonder they achieved basically nothing during Late Empire...

As far as I know, Italy's most developed North has a little Germanic blood Moreover, most of the Italians in our country come from southern Italy. They like to say that they are the descendants of Roman orthodoxy and call the northern Italians barbarians But now South Italy is eating meat from North Italy and drinking other people's blood I'm not saying that northern Italians are Germanic, they are Latin Roman As far as I know, it is southern Italy that has brought down the country and brought the country to the brink of bankruptcy and destruction, so what you said is not accurate. The decline of Rome in history was not due to the mixture of barbarians

[山有扶苏]

Something between northern Italians, southern French, and north western Spaniards

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But the Apennine peninsula at that time was not only the Roman and those Latin alliance cities, but also some places where people were of Mediterranean origin. They were colonies of ancient Greece, and you can't deny that even the ancient Romans were closest to what is now northern Italy, but northern Italy had barbarian blood Because people from the southern Apennine Peninsula would also join the Roman army and immigrate to northern Italy, but the later Barbarian Invasion made northern Italians more like ancient Romans in gene Another point is that the Apennine Peninsula, which was not invaded by barbarians during the Empire period, is genetically more inclined to the eastern Mediterranean than it is now

[J. Ketch]

Rome is fallen because there were germanic mixed mutts in charge. No wonder they achieved basically nothing during Late Empire...
The irony! Rome/Italy had a ~50% population replacement from Near Easterners in the Imperial Era, but it's a few Germanic 'mutts' at the end that caused the decline...

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The irony! Rome/Italy had a ~50% population replacement from Near Easterners in the Imperial Era, but it's a few Germanic 'mutts' at the end that caused the decline...

Rome's decline was due to a combination of causes, no serious or sane person would believe it was due to barbarians or eastern immigrants. By the way, the Rome of Aurelianus and Constantine was ethnically no more "MENA" than that of Augustus or Marcus Aurelius.