Classify Cleopatra reconstruction

[Lurker1]

Do you thinks it's accurate?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/7e/c0/097ec0e293b3b9134fb8cd2a438a2f42.jpg

[Voyt]

Armenized Med

cute btw

[Dna8]

It is plausible.

[Zroota]

Anatolid

[Kamal900]

The most un-Greek looking Greek I have ever seen. Racially Taurid..like me.

[catgeorge]

I think it's pretty close actually. She had a big nose a real boss lady.

[Kamal900]

I think it's pretty close actually. She had a big nose a real boss lady.

She has the same nose as mine
https://i.ibb.co/NSMf0H8/DSCN1390.jpg

[catgeorge]

She has the same nose as mine


Its pretty much the same, yes.

[FinalFlash]

The most un-Greek looking Greek I have ever seen. Racially Taurid..like me.

You're joking lol.

[asuvis]

The most un-Greek looking Greek I have ever seen. Racially Taurid..like me.

She definitely could pass for greek.

[Kamal900]

You're joking lol.

Is the Taurid race common in Greece?

[FinalFlash]

Is the Taurid race common in Greece?

It likely is. If Dinarids are fairly common, then Littorids will likely be common, or at least not rare. Stay above the Sikeliot propaganda my good man.

[Kamal900]

It likely is. If Dinarids are fairly common, then Littorids will likely be common, or at least not rare. Stay above the Sikeliot propaganda my good man.

What's Littorids? Well, I haven't been to Greece, though I have been mistaken for a Greek Cypriot so..

[FinalFlash]

What's Littorids? Well, I haven't been to Greece, though I have been mistaken for a Greek Cypriot so..

Littorid is a blend of Dinarid, Armenoid and Med. I can't imagine some Greeks not having this blend. No, they don't look "Slavic" at all but mostly Med. Dinarid and Alpine types mixed with some other influences.

[Kamal900]

Littorid is a blend of Dinarid, Armenoid and Med. I can't imagine some Greeks not having this blend. No, they don't look "Slavic" at all but mostly Med. Dinarid and Alpine types mixed with some other influences.

Well, the Taurid race is a blend between Armenoid and Dinarid, and I am classified as Taurid and Med, so..I see.

[FinalFlash]

Well, the Taurid race is a blend between Armenoid and Dinarid, and I am classified as Taurid and Med, so..I see.

Hence why you wouldnt look out of place in Greece.

[Kamal900]

Hence why you wouldnt look out of place in Greece.

Even in this picture?
https://i.ibb.co/pL673rK/snapshot-1.jpg

[catgeorge]

Even in this picture?


Approx 60% to Greek - missing Greek vibe in a big way.

[Kamal900]

Approx 60% to Greek - missing Greek vibe in a big way.

What do I look like to you if you saw me walking down the streets of Athens for example?

[dududud]

What do I look like to you if you saw me walking down the streets of Athens for example?

You looks like the necro rapper. that's to say a european vibe.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/The_GodFathers_Promo_Photo.jpg
https://www.bdxc.fr/images/_bdxc/1444908545_2052745983/1444908545_2052745983.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/lEwl16hZYqk/maxresdefault.jpg

[FinalFlash]

Even in this picture?
https://i.ibb.co/pL673rK/snapshot-1.jpg

You have tremendous Alpine influence. I don't see why you wouldn't.

[catgeorge]

What do I look like to you if you saw me walking down the streets of Athens for example?


Good question - you wouldnt be guessed as someone from the Arabian peninsula that's for sure but don't have the Greek vibe either.

For example Cretans have a very strong Greek vibe albeit maybe a shade darker than yourself

https://datelineatlantis.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/image2.jpeg

https://vice-images.vice.com/images/content-images-crops/2016/02/14/greece-farmers-protest-pensions-photos-body-image-1455440431-size_1000.jpg

http://www.topontiki.gr/sites/default/files/article/2018-12/kyranakis1.jpg

BTW the guy in the last photo will lead Greece one day - forsure.

[Kamal900]

Good question - you wouldnt be guessed as someone from the Arabian peninsula that's for sure but don't have the Greek vibe either.

For example Cretans have a very strong Greek vibe albeit maybe a shade darker than yourself

https://datelineatlantis.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/image2.jpeg

https://vice-images.vice.com/images/content-images-crops/2016/02/14/greece-farmers-protest-pensions-photos-body-image-1455440431-size_1000.jpg

http://www.topontiki.gr/sites/default/files/article/2018-12/kyranakis1.jpg

BTW the guy in the last photo will lead Greece one day - forsure.

Well, uh, would you mistake me for a European foreigner or..?

[catgeorge]

Well, uh, would you mistake me for a European foreigner or..?

It depends, how you talk, your mannerisms, body language etc. But from facial structure yeah I probably would without talking to you.

[FinalFlash]

It depends, how you talk, your mannerisms, body language etc. But from facial structure yeah I probably would without talking to you.

What type of body language and/or mannerisms would stick out in Greece?

[Blondie]

looks orientalid

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/orientalidf.jpg

[catgeorge]

What type of body language and/or mannerisms would stick out in Greece?

Hard to explain - even when Greeks nod yes or no it's different.

If you have never been to Greece dont bother asking such questions.

[Kyp]

http://www.vashtie.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/black-cleopatra.jpg

[Kamal900]

http://www.vashtie.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/black-cleopatra.jpg

WE..

[Bakha]

Good question - you wouldnt be guessed as someone from the Arabian peninsula that's for sure but don't have the Greek vibe either.

For example Cretans have a very strong Greek vibe albeit maybe a shade darker than yourself

https://datelineatlantis.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/image2.jpeg

https://vice-images.vice.com/images/content-images-crops/2016/02/14/greece-farmers-protest-pensions-photos-body-image-1455440431-size_1000.jpg

http://www.topontiki.gr/sites/default/files/article/2018-12/kyranakis1.jpg

BTW the guy in the last photo will lead Greece one day - forsure.
What a wogs

[Bakha]

She is orientalid + Armenoid. Looks Greek

[catgeorge]

What a wogs

Move along microbrains.

Your stench is repulsive.

[Kamal900]

It depends, how you talk, your mannerisms, body language etc. But from facial structure yeah I probably would without talking to you.

...

[catgeorge]

We're not going to stop people from feeling close to Greece but these questions are unreasonable - you need to go to Greece and find out for yourself whether you fit in or not.

Kurds, Georgians and Armenians dont fit in Greece. Either do Balkanites.

The only people that resemble Greeks are south-Central Italians, some Albanians and Bulgarians. Thats about it.

[Voskos]

Syrid.

[Enr1989]

Litorid

[Zeno]

She definitely could pass for greek.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DpHYnJOWlTA2ufot12H6Yh3brDk=/0x0:600x705/1200x800/filters:focal(206x342:302x438)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/59404945/drew_scanlon_face.0.jpg

W u t?

[Zeno]

Hence why you wouldnt look out of place in Greece.

Yes, he would look out of place. I've never seen anyone like him.




It likely is. If Dinarids are fairly common, then Littorids will likely be common, or at least not rare. Stay above the Sikeliot propaganda my good man.

Taurids are fucking rare. Stop.

[Samnium]

We're not going to stop people from feeling close to Greece but these questions are unreasonable - you need to go to Greece and find out for yourself whether you fit in or not.

Kurds, Georgians and Armenians dont fit in Greece. Either do Balkanites.

The only people that resemble Greeks are south-Central Italians, some Albanians and Bulgarians. Thats about it.

There is a great overlap with some regions like Apulia, I think N.Calabria also but also all the Adriatic coast !

[Adamastor]

Anatolid, she was Greek so she looks Greek.

[Batavia]

Mediterranid-Nordid or vice versa.

[Adamastor]

Mediterranid-Nordid or vice versa.

:lol::lol:

[Smeagol]

Politically correct, imaginative reconstruction that makes her look Arab or something rather than Macedonian Greek. Also, the modern idea that she was ugly is a flawed one based on some masculine looking coin portraits. In reality, ancient historians describe her as beautiful.

[Dorian]

Politically correct, imaginative reconstruction that makes her look Arab or something rather than Macedonian Greek. Also, the modern idea that she was ugly is a flawed one based on some masculine looking coin portraits. In reality, ancient historians describe her as beautiful.

This

[FinalFlash]

We're not going to stop people from feeling close to Greece but these questions are unreasonable - you need to go to Greece and find out for yourself whether you fit in or not.

Kurds, Georgians and Armenians dont fit in Greece. Either do Balkanites.

The only people that resemble Greeks are south-Central Italians, some Albanians and Bulgarians. Thats about it.

What about Pontian and Central Anatolian Greeks? Are they noticeably different to mainlanders in your experience?

[FinalFlash]

Yes, he would look out of place. I've never seen anyone like him.





Taurids are fucking rare. Stop.

Ok. Given the Pontian, Central Anatolian and Islander populations in Greece, Taurids are fucking rare?

[Samnium]

Politically correct, imaginative reconstruction that makes her look Arab or something rather than Macedonian Greek. Also, the modern idea that she was ugly is a flawed one based on some masculine looking coin portraits. In reality, ancient historians describe her as beautiful.

I agree but doesn't look semitic I would say simply East-Med+ Anatolian influences. These phenotypes can be found also in SE Europe sometimes

[MinervaItalica]

The most un-Greek looking Greek I have ever seen. Racially Taurid..like me.

She was pretty mixed. Also seems to have had Persian ancestry.

[catgeorge]

Politically correct, imaginative reconstruction that makes her look Arab or something rather than Macedonian Greek. Also, the modern idea that she was ugly is a flawed one based on some masculine looking coin portraits. In reality, ancient historians describe her as beautiful.

The history behind the Ptolemies is a weird and only half glorious due to civil wars and inbreeding. Only the first five generations of Ptolemaic dynasty could be considered as Macedonian Greek. After the fifth generation they inherited a big nose.

They went from this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Ptolemy_I_Soter_Louvre_Ma849.jpg

To this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Ptolemy_VI_Philometor_ring.jpg

Ptolemies and Seleucids would find refuge in each others territories. Meaning Egypt and Syria.

IMO she would have looked like something abit like Crazyladybutterfly from South Italy but looks isn't everything it was the way Cleopatra VII carried herself that made her "beautiful" or highly desirable. There were no beauty contests in those days - beauty went far beyond looks.

[Jana]

Armenid/Assyroid, this reconstruction looks Mesopotamian rather than Greek. Not bad looking at all actually, but no Euro vibe.

[Joso]

Armenid something

[kefalonitis]

Even in this picture?


My first thought would be Caucasus.

[kefalonitis]

Do you thinks it's accurate?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/7e/c0/097ec0e293b3b9134fb8cd2a438a2f42.jpg

She looks like a weird mix of Greek+Levantine+Armenian :swl

[Dna8]

We're not going to stop people from feeling close to Greece but these questions are unreasonable - you need to go to Greece and find out for yourself whether you fit in or not.

Kurds, Georgians and Armenians dont fit in Greece. Either do Balkanites.

The only people that resemble Greeks are south-Central Italians, some Albanians and Bulgarians. Thats about it.

My mother says that I look more Greek than anything else.

Is my mother lying to me, in your opinion?

[catgeorge]

My mother says that I look more Greek than anything else.

Is my mother lying to me, in your opinion?

Probably not - mothers don't lie to their children but you're Vlach - Vlachs are authoctonous. When I say Balkanites I mean the Gorid, Baltid types not the Pontid, Alpanid, Med types.

[Dna8]

Probably not - mothers don't lie to their children but you're Vlach - Vlachs are authoctonous. When I say Balkanites I mean the Gorid, Baltid types not the Pontid, Alpanid, Med types.

Kindest regards, my friend.

[Latinus]

Anatolid.

[Adamm]

She looks like a mix of Levantine and Greek people, exactly what she was right?

[Dimitri159]

Politically correct, imaginative reconstruction that makes her look Arab or something rather than Macedonian Greek. Also, the modern idea that she was ugly is a flawed one based on some masculine looking coin portraits. In reality, ancient historians describe her as beautiful.

It’s not politically correct, it’s literally correct. The nose, the eyes, the mouth and hair all match identically (or damn close to it). If you think she does not look Greek in any way then you must have not seen many Greeks in your lifetime, but rather listen to the white-washed projections of them. The reconstruction has a very similar look to Greek-Canadian actress Nia Vardalos. Dinaro-Med+Alpine or possibly Litorid.

The bust: https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/318.jpg.

The reconstruction: https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/318.jpg

They are not different. The proportions match.

[Dimitri159]

I think it's pretty close actually. She had a big nose a real boss lady.

Yes.

[Dimitri159]

This

No.

[Dimitri159]

The history behind the Ptolemies is a weird and only half glorious due to civil wars and inbreeding. Only the first five generations of Ptolemaic dynasty could be considered as Macedonian Greek. After the fifth generation they inherited a big nose.

They went from this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Ptolemy_I_Soter_Louvre_Ma849.jpg

To this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Ptolemy_VI_Philometor_ring.jpg

Ptolemies and Seleucids would find refuge in each others territories. Meaning Egypt and Syria.

IMO she would have looked like something abit like Crazyladybutterfly from South Italy but looks isn't everything it was the way Cleopatra VII carried herself that made her "beautiful" or highly desirable. There were no beauty contests in those days - beauty went far beyond looks.

I’m not sure if you are referring to the Ptolemies exclusively or all Macedonian-Greeks in general, but many Greeks always inherited “a big nose” if you mean the latter. The presence of Dinarid among Greeks goes back way before Ptolemies in Egypt. Dinarid is known for having a big shnoz.

[Dimitri159]

The most un-Greek looking Greek I have ever seen. Racially Taurid..like me.

She’s not Taurid but more like Dinaro-Med+Alpine or possibly Litorid. She looks perfectly Greek and also S. Italian to me. She has a similar look to Greek-Canadian actress Nia Vardalos.

[Dimitri159]

Dinaro-Med+Alpine or even Litorid. She looks perfectly Greek to me.

[catgeorge]

I’m not sure if you are referring to the Ptolemies exclusively or all Macedonian-Greeks in general, but many Greeks always inherited “a big nose” if you mean the latter. The presence of Dinarid among Greeks goes back way before Ptolemies in Egypt. Dinarid is known for having a big shnoz.

Agree - but looks like they inherited non Greek elements with that Jewish nose.

[Dimitri159]

Agree - but looks like they inherited non Greek elements with that Jewish nose.

What exactly is the difference between the Greek Dinarid nose and the Jewish nose?

But the nose type of Cleopatra in her reconstruction looks more stereotypically Greek imo. I imagine Jewish noses to be longer, and hers is large but not quite as long.

[Volvado Seja]

Armenoid

[Roy]

This is consistent with her image immortalised on coins.

[Roy]

The history behind the Ptolemies is a weird and only half glorious due to civil wars and inbreeding. Only the first five generations of Ptolemaic dynasty could be considered as Macedonian Greek. After the fifth generation they inherited a big nose.

They went from this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Ptolemy_I_Soter_Louvre_Ma849.jpg

To this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Ptolemy_VI_Philometor_ring.jpg

Ptolemies and Seleucids would find refuge in each others territories. Meaning Egypt and Syria.

IMO she would have looked like something abit like Crazyladybutterfly from South Italy but looks isn't everything it was the way Cleopatra VII carried herself that made her "beautiful" or highly desirable. There were no beauty contests in those days - beauty went far beyond looks.

Later Ptolemies were extremely inbred often having children with siblings or half-siblings, so some features progressively got magnified with each generation achieving this bulging eyes and huge nose look. Some of them were insane too.

[kleenex]

She was mixed Macedonian and Egyptian. She was not a pure Macedonian so yes.