Classify Spanish footballer José Rivera

[Cristiano viejo]

From Galicia

https://pontevedracf.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Rivera-740x740.jpg
https://www.diariodearousa.com/media/diariodearousa/images/2019/10/31/2019103123030446128.jpg
https://i.avoz.es/sc/3kROkaz3Myz3Sja1k_RKRNc16oc=/450x/2019/02/25/00121551106741309394953/Foto/PF26C9F1_155755.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1120455424229150720/2WoMa3EC_400x400.jpg

[Zroota]

Proto Nordid

[MysteriousWays]

Broadly Nordid

[The Blade]

Nordocromagnid.

[Enr1989]

Robust Keltic Nordid

[Zeno]

Nordid. I've checked the Pontevedra team he's with. Lots of light-eyed individuals.

[vorobuthek]

Trønder

[Roi_Xordo]

Pure nordid.
The absolute chad mogging me everyday

[Ülev]

Nordocromagnid.

yes

[Ülev]

Nordocromagnid or N. Atlantid
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/PSM_V50_D611_Europe_cephalic_index_map.jpg

[Latinus]

Nordo-CM.

[Cristiano viejo]

Nordid. I've checked the Pontevedra team he's with. Lots of light-eyed individuals.

I was going to create a thread about the team but this specimen José Rivera deserved a thread only for him due his extreme pigmentation.
In any case I will do it.

[Cristiano viejo]

Lighter than you.

[PT Tagus]

Nordo-Cromagnid

[Davy Jones's Locker]

Pred Nordic.

[Dna8]

Depigmented Mediterranid.

[Adamm]

Looks Nordic af.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

He looks more nordid than the scandinavian average, best fit in Norway.

Thats why in Brazil exist the expression galeguinho dos zoi azul that means blonde blue eyed galician to refer to any blonde brazilian.

[Roy]

Nordid / Tronder.


Why every taxonomy thread started by Cristiano Viejo features blond Spaniards? :rolleyes:

[Rocinante]

Nordid, not that typical being honest

[Rocinante]

He looks more nordid than the scandinavian average, best fit in Norway.

Thats why in Brazil exist the expression galeguinho dos zoi azul that means blonde blue eyed galician to refer to any blonde brazilian.

Yes but you don't have to be pure nordid, which is something not that typical, to have blue eyes.

[hurtuv]

Would guess light German. Pan Euro as he can fit as atypical where he is from and other places, but would be most typical in Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavia and (less typical) in Poland, for example.

[Latinus]

Nordo-CM.

[Avgvstvs]

Northern euro looking...not surprised that CV posted this guy

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[Cristiano viejo]

Northern euro looking...not surprised that CV posted this guy

Not surprised that you are so jealous.

[Avgvstvs]

Not surprised that you are so jealous.Jealous? Why? When i post(rarely) i show italians of all kind, light/medium or dark, because i'm not interested in pigmentation wars....never seen you post a dark spaniard though[emoji57]

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[Cristiano viejo]

Jealous? Why? When i post(rarely) i show italians of all kind, light/medium or dark, because i'm not interested in pigmentation wars....never seen you post a dark spaniard though[emoji57]


You never seen because I think that does not interest to you :rolleyes:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?110879-Classify-Spanish-Real-Madrid-legend-Ra%FAl-Gonz%E1lez
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?62473-Classify-spanish-Jos%E9-Mar%EDa-Olazabal

Just in one thread I have posted tons of dark Spaniards
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329456-Spanish-bullfighters-The-Greatest-thread

Of course I have made toooons of threads about groupal pictures of Spaniards, where dark haired Spaniards are, as obvious, the majority and where dark Spaniards can be seen.

Your words now? :rolleyes:

[Avgvstvs]

You never seen because I think that does not interest to you :rolleyes:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?110879-Classify-Spanish-Real-Madrid-legend-Ra%FAl-Gonz%E1lez
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?62473-Classify-spanish-Jos%E9-Mar%EDa-Olazabal

Just in one thread I have posted tons of dark Spaniards
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329456-Spanish-bullfighters-The-Greatest-thread

Of course I have made toooons of threads about groupal pictures of Spaniards, where dark haired Spaniards are, as obvious, the majority and where dark Spaniards can be seen.

Your words now? :rolleyes:Dark haired=/ dark

It's quite obvious to everyone that you enjoy posting lighter spaniards, which is not forbidden of course, but don't act like if you were the most honest person here....

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[Cristiano viejo]

Dark haired=/ dark

It's quite obvious to everyone that you enjoy posting lighter spaniards, which is not forbidden of course, but don't act like if you were the most honest person here....


I am.

And yes, dark haired does not mean dark per se, I think I was very clear in my last post about it.

[Avgvstvs]

I am.

And yes, dark haired does not mean dark per se, I think I was very clear in my last post about it."I am" what? Honest? Sorry but defintely not(don't want to offend or anything but just being objective).

You did post groups, yes, but why individually so many lighter ones then?

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[Cristiano viejo]

"I am" what? Honest? Sorry but defintely not(don't want to offend or anything but just being objective).

You did post groups, yes, but why individually so many lighter ones then?


How am I not honest or dishonest, tell me?

There was a Jewish user that claimed blonde Spaniards dont exist, that is why I started to post them. Then I checked this irritates some type of people. They did claims such as "Northern euro looking...not surprised that CV posted this guy", what made me cringe as fuck and boosted me to create more ;)

[Avgvstvs]

How am I not honest or dishonest, tell me?

There was a Jewish user that claimed blonde Spaniards dont exist, that is why I started to post them. Then I checked this irritates some type of people. They did claims such as "Northern euro looking...not surprised that CV posted this guy", what made me cringe as fuck and boosted me to create more ;)About jealousy and dishonesty: It's not me who made a thread about Spain to prove moorish influence in architecture[emoji57]

The fact that you thought i'm jealous makes me think that you are very obsessed with this pigmentation stuff....



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[Cristiano viejo]

About jealousy and dishonesty: It's not me who made a thread about Spain to prove moorish influence in architecture[emoji57]
Renaissance knows why I did.


The fact that you thought i'm jealous makes me think that you are very obsessed with this pigmentation stuff....



You are very observer :rolleyes: of course I am!

[Avgvstvs]

Renaissance knows why I did.



You are very observer :rolleyes: of course I am!To be honest, i don't care about Renaissance.

See? So don't tell i'm jealous because i'm out of pigmentation wars.....i just said that you posting this guy is no big surprise since you've been posting light spaniards for years and i don't care why you started to do that, you do it and that's a fact.

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[Cristiano viejo]

To be honest, i don't care about Renaissance.

See? So don't tell i'm jealous because i'm out of pigmentation wars.....i just said that you posting this guy is no big surprise since you've been posting light spaniards for years and i don't care why you started to do that, you do it and that's a fact.


you still dont get that I post all type of Spaniards. Yet you only focus on the lightest. Who is the obsessed anyway? :rolleyes:

[Avgvstvs]

you still dont get that I post all type of Spaniards. Yet you only focus on the lightest. Who is the obsessed anyway? :rolleyes:I said that you mostly post light spaniards, and that you particularly enjoy it, which is not far from truth.

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[Cristiano viejo]

I said that you mostly post light spaniards, and that you particularly enjoy it, which is not far from truth.

It is very far. In a few threads about groupal pictures I post muuuuch more brunettes than all the threads about blondes combined.

But even if the 100% of the Spaniards I post were blonde, what is your problem with this?

[Avgvstvs]

It is very far. In a few threads about groupal pictures I post muuuuch more brunettes than all the threads about blondes combined.

But even if the 100% of the Spaniards I post were blonde, what is your problem with this?You post more brunettes in group pics, such an intelligent statement, go find a crowd of blond spaniards/other southern euros[emoji38]

No problem at all, don't try to make it like i am the one telling everyone "i am lighter than you", like you do with everyone[emoji57]

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[Cristiano viejo]

You post more brunettes in group pics, such an intelligent statement, go find a crowd of blond spaniards/other southern euros[emoji38]
That is not what I am saying even if obviously you can find very easily groupal pictures where blonde Spaniards are very present

https://www.asturiasmundial.com/noticias/fotos//28076_1_thumb.jpg

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/10/05/world/05madrid6/04madrid6-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg

https://as.com/tikitakas/imagenes/2020/04/04/portada/1585995762_883215_1585995965_sumario_normal.jpg

what I am saying is that you accuse me falsely of posting only blonde Spaniards, or mostly. And that is a lie. For every blonde Spanish I have posted 10 dark haired Spanish. You need 10 individual threads about blondes to equal a single thread where I post brunettes.


No problem at all, don't try to make it like i am the one telling everyone "i am lighter than you", like you do with everyone[emoji57]



No, I dont and yes, you have a problem.

[Avgvstvs]

That is not what I am saying even if obviously you can find very easily groupal pictures where blonde Spaniards are very present

https://www.asturiasmundial.com/noticias/fotos//28076_1_thumb.jpg

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/10/05/world/05madrid6/04madrid6-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg

https://as.com/tikitakas/imagenes/2020/04/04/portada/1585995762_883215_1585995965_sumario_normal.jpg

what I am saying is that you accuse me falsely of posting only blonde Spaniards, or mostly. And that is a lie. For every blonde Spanish I have posted 10 dark haired Spanish. You need 10 individual threads about blondes to equal a single thread where I post brunettes.



No, I dont and yes, you have a problem.Your typical answer[emoji38]

It only lacks the "i am lighter than you" part, where is it??

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[Cristiano viejo]

Your typical answer[emoji38]

It only lacks the "i am lighter than you" part, where is it??



Your typical false accusation.

It only lacks the "you think Spaniards are Swedes", where is it??

[Randommembr]

Is he full Spaniard?

[Avgvstvs]

Your typical false accusation.

It only lacks the "you think Spaniards are Swedes", where is it??Well, i never accused you of anything actually.....

Just plain truth: you are obsessed with and lightness


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[hurtuv]

You post more brunettes in group pics, such an intelligent statement, go find a crowd of blond spaniards/other southern euros[emoji38]

No problem at all, don't try to make it like i am the one telling everyone "i am lighter than you", like you do with everyone[emoji57]

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lol, is that a challenge?:whistle:

[Cristiano viejo]

Is he full Spaniard?
No, he is full Italian.


Well, i never accused you of anything actually.....

Just plain truth: you are obsessed with and lightness


Yes I am.
And you are obsessed with my obsessions.

[Avgvstvs]

No, he is full Italian.


Yes I am.
And you are obsessed with my obsessions.Most defintely not, i have better things to do rather than hearing the tonterías of an old man

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[Cristiano viejo]

Most defintely not, i have better things to do rather than hearing the tonterías of an old man


Ironic, when you got the half of your day accusing me of very ugly things.

[Avgvstvs]

Ironic, when you got the half of your day accusing me of very ugly things.Actually, it takes me little time, arguing with grandpas is not difficult.

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[hurtuv]

Northern euro looking...not surprised that CV posted this guy

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I'm not surprised (or rather, I am) at people's stereotypes (fuck'em - like all Danes look like Ruizinho Furtado - lol) that make Cristiano and me and others post guys like this sometimes, also it's interesting for analysis. Anyway, it was I that revived the thread, because I was giving and example of the diversity of Galicians, here is his (former I think) teamate I was talking about, also posted by Cristiano:

https://www.zerozero.pt/img/jogadores/53/646653_med__20200120120511_manuel_romay.jpg

[Avgvstvs]

I'm not surprised (or rather, I am) at people's stereotypes (fuck'em - like all Danes look like Ruizinho Furtado - lol) that make Cristiano and me and others post guys like this sometimes, also it's interesting for analysis. Anyway, it was I that revived the thread, because I was giving and example of the diversity of Galicians, here is his (former I think) teamate I was talking about, also posted by Cristiano:

https://www.zerozero.pt/img/jogadores/53/646653_med__20200120120511_manuel_romay.jpgAnd.... so?

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[Cristiano viejo]

Actually, it takes me little time, arguing with grandpas is not difficult.

Anyway arguing with kids is all the opposite, they can not reason :D

[Avgvstvs]

Anyway arguing with kids is all the opposite, they can not reason :DKids get better, old men only get worse.

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[Cristiano viejo]

Kids get better, old men only get worse.


Benjamin Button disagrees.

[Avgvstvs]

Benjamin Button disagrees.But Cristiano Viejo confirms.

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[Cristiano viejo]

But Cristiano Viejo confirms.


And Avgvtvs accuses.

[Avgvstvs]

And Avgvtvs accuses.As you wish, grandpa.[emoji69]

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[Cristiano viejo]

As you wish, grandpa.[emoji69]


That is my kid :patpat:

[hurtuv]

You post more brunettes in group pics, such an intelligent statement, go find a crowd of blond spaniards/other southern euros[emoji38]

No problem at all, don't try to make it like i am the one telling everyone "i am lighter than you", like you do with everyone[emoji57]

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Is he full Spaniard?

José Benigno Rivera Valenzuela

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-rivera/profil/spieler/628392

but it's that thing, who knows really?:shrug:

1-But this guy is from a small Galician town;

2-People with such hair colour and features that are fully native exist throughout Southern Europe (in all my years from pre-primary school till uni till airline pilot school, I've had one, sometimes two, blond male class colleagues - all of them, I'm pretty sure cause I knew them well, don't have any recent foreign ancestry)

highschool - one of my best friends was the light haired guy, who's hair looks super dark here because it sometimes looks like the OP's
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335157-Where-would-me-and-my-friends-pass-as-a-group

pilot school - the blond guy appears light brown/dark blond many times - but can turn light blond even more than in the pic, the guy to my right also appears blond sometimes
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341246-Where-Can-Me-and-My-Friends-Pass-As-a-Group-2

[hurtuv]

And....so?

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So...indeed I am as well not surpsised CV posted this guy

[Cristiano viejo]

José Benigno Rivera Valenzuela

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-rivera/profil/spieler/628392

but it's that thing, who knows really?:shrug:
rotfl, I even have relatives blonder than him.

[Avgvstvs]

So...indeed I am as well not surpsised CV posted this guyOk

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[hurtuv]

rotfl, I even have relatives blonder than him.

As a fellow Iberian, I don't doubt you.

[Cristiano viejo]

As a fellow Iberian, I don't doubt you.

A pure Castilian and Leonese aka Spaniard. Dont quote please

[Randommembr]

José Benigno Rivera Valenzuela

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-rivera/profil/spieler/628392

but it's that thing, who knows really?:shrug:

1-But this guy is from a small Galician town;

2-People with such hair colour and features that are fully native exist throughout Southern Europe (in all my years from pre-primary school till uni till airline pilot school, I've had one, sometimes two, blond male class colleagues - all of them, I'm pretty sure cause I knew them well, don't have any recent foreign ancestry)

highschool - one of my best friends was the light haired guy, who's hair looks super dark here because it sometimes looks like the OP's
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335157-Where-would-me-and-my-friends-pass-as-a-group

pilot school - the blond guy appears light brown/dark blond many times - but can turn light blond even more than in the pic, the guy to my right also appears blond sometimes
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341246-Where-Can-Me-and-My-Friends-Pass-As-a-Group-2

Yes. I've seen blonde hair or blue eyes outside of Europe as well, and I've seen South Europeans with blonde hair or blue eyes for sure.

[hurtuv]

Ok

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But that's not a bad thing, that is what I was saying.

[Avgvstvs]

But that's not a bad thing, that is what I was saying.I get it

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[hurtuv]

Yes. I've seen blonde hair or blue eyes outside of Europe as well, and I've seen South Europeans with blonde hair or blue eyes for sure.


A pure Castilian and Leonese aka Spaniard. Dont quote please

sorry m8


I get it

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You guys owe me a funny story: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341770-Share-a-Funny-Story-of-Yours&p=7096592#post7096592

People reeeeeeally ought to help me get this shit to pick up some speed or I'm gonna be spamming the heck out of this for a long time :cool:

[Gota_type_]

I'm not surprised (or rather, I am) at people's stereotypes (fuck'em - like all Danes look like Ruizinho Furtado - lol) that make Cristiano and me and others post guys like this sometimes, also it's interesting for analysis. Anyway, it was I that revived the thread, because I was giving and example of the diversity of Galicians, here is his (former I think) teamate I was talking about, also posted by Cristiano:

https://www.zerozero.pt/img/jogadores/53/646653_med__20200120120511_manuel_romay.jpg

I personally have met him. He has lived in my province for many years. His paternal grandfather is southAmerican. Although his surname is Galician this does not mean that his father could not be a mixed person since they came back from Argentina. He is an obvious non-White, an admixed person. Like showing an afroamerican and saying that he is a White redneck. But, hey, he is not ethnically Spanish. And every year that passes on the more we will see these kind of people since Madrid, Barcelona and some other big cities have 3.5 million of southamericans, many of them basically amerindian. Maybe you don´t know about our long history of emigrantes from Galicia to America and then come back. I know several that are totally White after being his ancestors several generations there, but others (a minority) have come with obvious non-White aspect.

He is even darker than many of our "galician" gypsies. There are the "kings" of the gypsies in Galicia:

https://www.elprogreso.es/media/elprogreso/images/2019/03/12/2019031220100289786.jpg

Obvious non-White and not very different than your example.

[Luso]

Damn. I feel left out. Every dark iberian is foreign... but me. Haha :(

[hurtuv]

Damn. I feel left out. Every dark iberian is foreign... but me. Haha :(

ahaha you're not THAT dark though

[Cristiano viejo]

Damn. I feel left out. Every dark iberian is foreign... but me. Haha :(

not only the dark ones. This blonde Galician has been asked if he is full Spanish. Haha :(

[Luso]

not only the dark ones. This blonde Galician has been asked if he is full Spanish. Haha :(

It’s a very sad day for us

[Latinus]

not only the dark ones. This blonde Galician has been asked if he is full Spanish. Haha :(

Funny that in Brazil, more in the northeast region, Galego = blonde haired person.

Don't know why they coined that term to reffer to blondes, since most Galicians are just regular Spaniards.

[hurtuv]

I personally have met him. He has lived in my province for many years. His paternal grandfather is southAmerican. Although his surname is Galician this does not mean that his father could not be a mixed person since they came back from Argentina. He is an obvious non-White, an admixed person. Like showing an afroamerican and saying that he is a White redneck. But, hey, he is not ethnically Spanish. And every year that passes on the more we will see these kind of people since Madrid, Barcelona and some other big cities have 3.5 million of southamericans, many of them basically amerindian. Maybe you don´t know about our long history of emigrantes from Galicia to America and then come back. I know several that are totally White after being his ancestors several generations there, but others (a minority) have come with obvious non-White aspect.

He is even darker than many of our "galician" gypsies. There are the "kings" of the gypsies in Galicia:

https://www.elprogreso.es/media/elprogreso/images/2019/03/12/2019031220100289786.jpg

Obvious non-White and not very different than your example.

Non-white it is then. Buuuuut CV didn't know apparently, and that's CV. So I disagree that it is obvious. One should not underestimate the tanning ability of Iberians.

Indeed I didn't know about the Galicia-Americas migration. Cool this Apricity thing is, you learn some new stuff.

Guy in the blue jacket would pass fine as ethnic Iberian though, like a gypsy bulfighter (Morente?) that Cristiano says doesn't look gypsy.

[Cristiano viejo]

Funny that in Brazil, more in the northeast region, Galego = blonde haired person.

Don't know why they coined that term to reffer to blondes, since most Galicians are just regular Spaniards.

Because you Brazilians are retarded. Although this is only a possibility.

[Cristiano viejo]

Guy in the blue jacket would pass fine as ethnic Iberian though, like a gypsy bulfighter (Morente?) that Cristiano says doesn't look gypsy.
That Gypsy of the blue jacket is super famous, he is the boss of a known Galician Gypsy clan, and he could not look more Gypsy

https://cflvdg.avoz.es/default/2015/05/15/00121431714782136675897/Foto/.jpg

https://cflvdg.avoz.es/default/2015/03/10/00121426024740966817780/Foto/P25N4708.jpg

[Latinus]

Non-white it is then. Buuuuut CV didn't know apparently, and that's CV. So I disagree that it is obvious. One should not underestimate the tanning ability of Iberians.

Indeed I didn't know about the Galicia-Americas migration. Cool this Apricity thing is, you learn some new stuff.

Guy in the blue jacket would pass fine as ethnic Iberian though, like a gypsy bulfighter (Morente?) that Cristiano says doesn't look gypsy.

Tons of Galicians migrated to Argentina after they got their independence from Spain, to the point that Spanish became synonymous with Galegos in that country.

In Brazil, they were also a big imput in our urban Spanish immigration, being followed by Andalusians, Galicians were the main Spanish element to migrate to this land.

[Latinus]

Because you Brazilians are retarded. Although this is only a possibility.

Why the insults, retardo? I just commented a fact about the Galego term here, you piece of shit. Internet coward.

[hurtuv]

That Gypsy of the blue jacket is super famous, he is the boss of a known Galician Gypsy clan, and he could not look more Gypsy

https://cflvdg.avoz.es/default/2015/05/15/00121431714782136675897/Foto/.jpg

https://cflvdg.avoz.es/default/2015/03/10/00121426024740966817780/Foto/P25N4708.jpg

Way more atypical in those photos, but not unpassable, if, say, you saw him at the home of non-gypsies. Maybe just a good tan, and a shave would help in that regard xd. Beards: they exacerbate viking look of light people and terrorist look of dark people :p What's the name of the bullfighter though?

[Cristiano viejo]

Why the insults, retardo? I just commented a fact about the Galego term here, you piece of shit. Internet coward.


Way more atypical in those photos, but not unpassable, if, say, you saw him at the home of non-gypsies. Maybe just a good tan, and a shave would help in that regard xd. Beards: they exacerbate viking look of light people and terrorist look of dark people :p What's the name of the bullfighter though?

Dont say stupidities. He is the archetype of a Gypsy. He is absolutely unpassable.

Which bullfighter? Morante de la Puebla?

[hurtuv]

Which bullfighter? Morante de la Puebla?

Yes, that's the one: a gypsy that passes for native Iberian.



Dont say stupidities. He is the archetype of a Gypsy. He is absolutely unpassable.

What about the concept of passing that doesn't account for atypicality, which is so common in the online amateur anthro comunity?
- in Iberia, that being all the fucking way from José Ribera or Ruizinho Furtado to Inma Cuesta or Ricardo Esgaio. (Probably one can find more extreme examples for Spain for light and dark; for Portugal I cannot find a darker one, but I CAN find lighter ones than Ruizinho - but I can't think of someone more stereotypicaly Scando looking, I can think close, but not at his level at this point).
We Iberians are massively diverse, you know as well as me. Esgaio is not a gypsy (I have sources - I had anyway, I think the site is gone now but I really have no reason to lie about this - I could have just find another wogy Portuguese that nearly matches him, but Esgaio untanned is a whole different thing anyway), and I really don't care that much, the little part of me that cares actually likes it. Why? Because I personally love when foreigners find that such distinct types are in fact from the same ethnicity and scoring similar DNA results -their faces :blink: xD. It teaches them, both:

One - where their stupid (probably not their personal fault, but still) stereotypes come from, because the stereotypes of both North and South Europeans
(this even happen in Game of Thrones for fucks sake - some Northerners say all Dornish are super dark and don't know about the Stony Dornishmen of the Red Mountains - like Arthur Dayne; I also facepalm when they compare Dorne to Ibeira and not North Africa anyway :picard1:),
by one another, come from the types that are either rarer or non-existant in the other end of Europe; not the types that are common in both, which are way more than stereotypised; let alone, in the case of the Northerners, the types that are lighter than this Swedish morph - only if they knew :laugh:

https://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/averageswedeman.jpg

I also dare anyone (obviously not saying they're not more common there) to find a Scando with lighter hair than Portuguese singer Sofia Ribeiro "Lince" (I can also think of two other Portuguese with an hair colour that nearly matches her; given long time sun exposure, lighting conditions etc, I believe this is her natural hair sometimes; and I'm sure there are Spaniards like this, wheter they are famous and/or have been found yet, or not):

https://beira.pt/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/lince-958x537.jpg

Scandos darker than average Iberians? Likely (very likely maybe). But I'm not an expert, so I can think of average range for Iberia persons like Alicia Vikander or Måns Zelmerlöw. If you know of darker CV, or anyone, post them please, as it would very productive for the analysis. Some threads are meant to be derailed anyway.

Two- why such steryotypes are sooooo off from reality, because of the reasons above, basically.

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Now it's one thing if you saw these people (light or dark) in the centre of Madrid or Lisbon in the summer with a camera taking pictures. But a far more valuable evaluation would be the situation I described of someone's family home, or just inside a cozy restaurant in an interior town with normal clothes. The fat gypsy guy in blue passes better less tanned and hypothetically less fat xD(not typical, sure, even more so when I look closely at his eye region in this picture :blink:, which I honestly hadn't, but still; but he looks lighter than average for a gypsy to me:p)

https://www.elprogreso.es/media/elprogreso/images/2019/03/12/2019031220100289786.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, that's the one: a gypsy that passes for native Iberian.
Morante does. He probably is not a pure Gypsy btw
https://www.larazon.es/resizer/l14c6Eus9zXHjEh0QY7-joBQK2Y=/840x0/smart/filters:format(jpg)/arc-photo-larazon.s3.amazonaws.com/eu-central-1-prod/public/AVR3WJD7ZFBAZNXTLCADD2YSU4.jpg

that does not mean all the Gypsies of the world pass for native Spanish, damn, less still Sinaí Giménez, who looks distinctively Gypsy. IMO he is the most Gypsy-looking Gypsy of all Spain along Diego el Cigala and Alba Flores
https://www.noticiascyl.com/images/showid2/2953828?w=900

Gypsies can be distinguised from Spaniards since 5 kms of distance. I thought this was obvious.

[hurtuv]

Morante does. He probably is not a pure Gypsy btw
https://www.larazon.es/resizer/l14c6Eus9zXHjEh0QY7-joBQK2Y=/840x0/smart/filters:format(jpg)/arc-photo-larazon.s3.amazonaws.com/eu-central-1-prod/public/AVR3WJD7ZFBAZNXTLCADD2YSU4.jpg

that does not mean all the Gypsies of the world pass for native Spanish, damn, less still Sinaí Giménez, who looks distinctively Gypsy. IMO he is the most Gypsy-looking Gypsy of all Spain along Diego el Cigala and Alba Flores
https://www.noticiascyl.com/images/showid2/2953828?w=900

Gypsies can be distinguised from Spaniards since 5 kms of distance. I thought this was obvious.

obviously to the first

many many times to the second

now do you know of Spain's match for Sofia and very darky Scandos?

[Gota_type_]

You can´t say that the King of the gypsies if shaving and whatever he would pass as Iberian. Not in 1 million times. Don´t you get that he is ethnically an INDIAN?? Maybe he got a 20-30% Iberian blood after centuries, but again, he CAN´T never pass as Spaniard ever.

About that blonde girl and saying that you can´t find more blonder iberians than her.....You are talking to one who is blonder than her and that has been classified by a Norwegian posterior of this fórum as a 9/10 Swedish (he classified a blond Finn as 5/10). So. You don´t even have to look further. And she does not look Scandi. Probably Dutch, Polish or something like that. I have seen better examples of Scandi looking Iberians (Spaniards).


Yes, that's the one: a gypsy that passes for native Iberian.



What about the concept of passing that doesn't account for atypicality, which is so common in the online amateur anthro comunity?
- in Iberia, that being all the fucking way from José Ribera or Ruizinho Furtado to Inma Cuesta or Ricardo Esgaio. (Probably one can find more extreme examples for Spain for light and dark; for Portugal I cannot find a darker one, but I CAN find lighter ones than Ruizinho - but I can't think of someone more stereotypicaly Scando looking, I can think close, but not at his level at this point).


I also dare anyone (obviously not saying they're not more common there) to find a Scando with lighter hair than Portuguese singer Sofia Ribeiro "Lince" (I can also think of two other Portuguese with an hair colour that nearly matches her; given long time sun exposure, lighting conditions etc, I believe this is her natural hair sometimes; and I'm sure there are Spaniards like this, wheter they are famous and/or have been found yet, or not):

https://beira.pt/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/lince-958x537.jpg

Scandos darker than average Iberians? Likely (very likely maybe). But I'm not an expert, so I can think of average range for Iberia persons like Alicia Vikander or Måns Zelmerlöw. If you know of darker CV, or anyone, post them please, as it would very productive for the analysis. Some threads are meant to be derailed anyway.

Two- why such steryotypes are sooooo off from reality, because of the reasons above, basically.

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Now it's one thing if you saw these people (light or dark) in the centre of Madrid or Lisbon in the summer with a camera taking pictures. But a far more valuable evaluation would be the situation I described of someone's family home, or just inside a cozy restaurant in an interior town with normal clothes. The fat gypsy guy in blue passes better less tanned and hypothetically less fat xD(not typical, sure, even more so when I look closely at his eye region in this picture :blink:, which I honestly hadn't, but still; but he looks lighter than average for a gypsy to me:p)

https://www.elprogreso.es/media/elprogreso/images/2019/03/12/2019031220100289786.jpg





Damn. I feel left out. Every dark iberian is foreign... but me. Haha :(

I don´t know what results you got in your DNA tests. If normal for a Portuguese or not. Anyways being dark while being White (or at the end of the spectrum for being White) ONLY MEANS that you got less indoeuropean ancestry than others and you probably have more old European stock blood (I am talking about the case that you don´t have any foreign ancestry). Here in Spain we also have very dark individuals who look totally European, probably more than many northern Europeans. But, it was indoeuropeans who made people lighter. Also Neolithic Farmers. But Europeans 10.000 years ago were very dark skinned and all of them Brown haired Brown eyed (like La Braña).

These are 2 very dark skinned Spaniards that no one can say that they are not pure European, aka White:

https://estaticos-cdn.elperiodico.com/clip/7a88dddf-48a1-44f1-8ef5-6d998e72062d_alta-libre-aspect-ratio_default_0.jpg

https://www.ecestaticos.com/image/clipping/c98b9004783965bcdcffd68e270c9ee9/javier-hidalgo-rompe-con-cipriani-tras-los-escandalos-de-impagos-al-personal-de-ibiza.jpg

[Luso]

I don´t know what results you got in your DNA tests. If normal for a Portuguese or not. Anyways being dark while being White (or at the end of the spectrum for being White) ONLY MEANS that you got less indoeuropean ancestry than others and you probably have more old European stock blood (I am talking about the case that you don´t have any foreign ancestry). Here in Spain we also have very dark individuals who look totally European, probably more than many northern Europeans. But, it was indoeuropeans who made people lighter. Also Neolithic Farmers. But Europeans 10.000 years ago were very dark skinned and all of them Brown haired Brown eyed (like La Braña).


Yeah, so I mine as well show you b/c it could be of interest. According to genetics, I'm pretty typical of Portugal's component avgs. The idea that I may have inherited less indo-euro and maybe more EEF, and more ancient farmer iberian components is what I'm starting to think as well. I don't look too off from the two you posted, archaic type.


AncestryDNA:
https://i.imgur.com/uiiYFOM.png

K13
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96998&d=1586119270 https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96999&d=1586119278 https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97000&d=1586119286

My parents 23andMe (still waiting for mine)... but you can scratch up my ancestry from the two phased-

Mom:
https://i.imgur.com/zFRB5qQ.png

Dad:
https://i.imgur.com/UQUUJk3.jpg

--of course, here Azores is the top population, but I do not have any ancestry from here... the inhabitants were from all throughout mainland anyway and most test-taker (data from US) are from here giving this region. But I do have a little extra in some component-- Italian, and NA which shows up in my Dad... but nothing out of the ordinary I think.

[Gota_type_]

Yeah, so I mine as well show you b/c it could be of interest. According to genetics, I'm pretty typical of Portugal's component avgs. The idea that I may have inherited less indo-euro and maybe more EEF, and more ancient farmer iberian components is what I'm starting to think as well. I don't look too off from the two you posted, archaic type.


AncestryDNA:
https://i.imgur.com/uiiYFOM.png

re from here giving this region. But I do have a little extra in some component-- Italian, and NA which shows up in my Dad... but nothing out of the ordinary I think.

Yes, that is what I say. It is obvious that in a cross-country like those in the Center of Europe, so many waves of different ethnicities have passed through and they have mixed with most of them. But we are in a corner, so I guess that people that lived in rural and isolated áreas in the mountains (like the 2 Spaniards I posted in the previous post: one of them is from a tiny village in the mountains) probably received less indoeuropean blood, and since people used to marry in the same village (or at most in the 2-3 closer villages) for centuries, they can maintain their old blood better than someone in a capital city or in crossroads. We have to remember that at least in Spain just until 2 generations ago, 80-90% of the people lived in rural áreas and did not travel too much. This has been for centuries. So, unless certain groups arrived some time in the past, they continue to be more old stock than other thing and thus they are darker because old stock Europeans were darker.

Other thing is if there was an event of admixing with non-White groups but that is just something that one can only know studying his own ancestry. What I see in many portugueses is that 1-2% subsaharan that most Spaniards get 0.3-0.5% and other Europeans 0.1-0.2%. I guess that it is mostly noise for us (less than 0.5%) but having a 1-2-3% it is just too much for being noise. And if we look at your History there are accounts of blacks brought to mainland Portugal for centuries, so, it is probably that some will get a darker appareance because of this, or not, but the event is there. So, one has to see if his family has this event or not.

But again, most darker types are a consequence of old Euro blood than any other thing. Even the ancestors of all northern European 10.000 years ago were much dark skinned than the most dark skinned today´s southEuro, so the main difference is that they received much more of other lighter components (or adaptation to climate in thousands years). But, original Europeans were basically the same anywhere.

http://listverse.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/la-brana.jpg

It is said that La Braña (NW Spain) has the same DNA that most Northern Europeans of the past, so, they were also very dark skinned.

[hurtuv]

You can´t say that the King of the gypsies if shaving and whatever he would pass as Iberian. Not in 1 million times. Don´t you get that he is ethnically an INDIAN?? Maybe he got a 20-30% Iberian blood after centuries, but again, he CAN´T never pass as Spaniard ever.

This subject could be the theme of a social experiment on TV or something..."The Secret Gypsy" xd, where the fat guy would wait till his tan wore of, get a shave, and loose some weight, and then blend in with some Imna Cuesta types, and see how people (not only anthro enthusiasts) would do (though I'm not one to value the opinion of those that know shit of anthro much, but still). We could even take it further..."The Secret Indian", featuring Neil Nitin Mukesh and his father, and Karisma Kapoor.

https://i.imgur.com/07mrhuA.jpeg
https://static.toiimg.com/photo/msid-76661073/76661073.jpg?124182
https://st1.bollywoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Karishma-Kapoor-7.jpg

This could be done until people learn to differentiate "passing"; and where someone fits typically - sometimes referred to as "placing". And I maintain the exercise of passing should be done in a situation that favours one being taking for native.


About that blonde girl and saying that you can´t find more blonder iberians than her.....You are talking to one who is blonder than her and that has been classified by a Norwegian posterior of this fórum as a 9/10 Swedish (he classified a blond Finn as 5/10). So. You don´t even have to look further. And she does not look Scandi. Probably Dutch, Polish or something like that. I have seen better examples of Scandi looking Iberians (Spaniards).

Is that what I said? I said I dared people to do it, I didn't say that it's impossible, however...
you're blonder than her? Ok. Do you have somewhere where people can see your photos? Blonder than she is on that pic, or in general? I was specifically referring to that pic or other very light ones. She (and many other persons) have great variance of hair colour depending on several factors and at different times/seasons, you must know this. In that pic however, her hair is virtually white, so is your hair a lighter shade of the colour white? It is impossible that it is anything more than a minuscule difference. This guy was used by a Norwegian member as an example of the lightest Norwegians:

https://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/Various/thw4_zpsdfd0e3db.jpg

She fits in Scandinavia as a glove, but I've also seen examples of more Scando looking Iberians (both Spanish and Portuguese). I literally say this in my post. The absolute most I know of both countries is Ruizinho Furtado.

[Gota_type_]

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Is that what I said? I said I dared people to do it, I didn't say that it's impossible, however...
you're blonder than her? Ok. Do you have somewhere where people can see your photos? Blonder than she is on that pic, or in general? I was specifically referring to that pic or other very light ones. She (and many other persons) have great variance of hair colour depending on several factors and at different times/seasons, you must know this. In that pic however, her hair is virtually white, so is your hair a lighter shade of the colour white? It is impossible that it is anything more than a minuscule difference. This guy was used by a Norwegian member as an example of the lightest Norwegians:

https://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/Various/thw4_zpsdfd0e3db.jpg

She fits in Scandinavia as a glove, but I've also seen examples of more Scando looking Iberians (both Spanish and Portuguese). I literally say this in my post. The absolute most I know of both countries is Ruizinho Furtado.

Ask where that woman that you say will pass and most would not say in Scandinavia. I already posted my hair color (a picture) and part of my face, but I am not going to do it again. Her hair color while blonde is like ash blonde, not really White blonde. Just look at her eyebrows and compare them with that norwegian. She is blonde, obviously but there are different types of blondes: strawberry, platinum, ash, Golden, and so on. Again, if I had to guess her I would say Polish or Ukranian, not Scandinavian and her hair testure does not fit either in Scandinavia (in fact, I even believe that while she is a natural blonde, that she has dyed her hair to be blonder. Just look at the eyebrows and roots. It looks unnatural that hair color).

Ruizinho Furtado looks German but not Scandinavian.
https://www.fussballzz.de/img/jogadores/63/164863_med_ruizinho.jpg

This Spaniard look Scandinavian for example:
https://i.imgur.com/kVKmmYv.jpg

I also look Scandinavian (a 9/10 as Swedish and a 7/10 as Norwegian). I don´t remember his name but it is a norwegian user of this fórum and he is the only one that have seen my face. I don´t care anyways about if that woman looks this or that but she is not the most blonde and she looks Polish.

[Radomir]

his mom was Polish or Swedish?

[Immanenz]

Ruizinho Furtado looks German but not Scandinavian.
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Imo Ruizinho looks Finnish

[Damião de Góis]

Imo Ruizinho looks Finnish

I think he would fit in many places, but maybe if his name was Joselito Fernandez instead of Rui Furtado he would pass better in Scandinavia.

https://i.imgur.com/TCOWBnl.jpg

[Geschichte]

He can pass in Germany.

[Xacal]

Nordid + some Baskid/Dinarid

[Matthaus]

Ask where that woman that you say will pass and most would not say in Scandinavia. I already posted my hair color (a picture) and part of my face, but I am not going to do it again. Her hair color while blonde is like ash blonde, not really White blonde. Just look at her eyebrows and compare them with that norwegian. She is blonde, obviously but there are different types of blondes: strawberry, platinum, ash, Golden, and so on. Again, if I had to guess her I would say Polish or Ukranian, not Scandinavian and her hair testure does not fit either in Scandinavia (in fact, I even believe that while she is a natural blonde, that she has dyed her hair to be blonder. Just look at the eyebrows and roots. It looks unnatural that hair color).

Ruizinho Furtado looks German but not Scandinavian.
https://www.fussballzz.de/img/jogadores/63/164863_med_ruizinho.jpg

This Spaniard look Scandinavian for example:
https://i.imgur.com/kVKmmYv.jpg

I also look Scandinavian (a 9/10 as Swedish and a 7/10 as Norwegian). I don´t remember his name but it is a norwegian user of this fórum and he is the only one that have seen my face. I don´t care anyways about if that woman looks this or that but she is not the most blonde and she looks Polish.

Both 3 can pass easily in scandinavia, but the last guy you posted really look swedish, what is his name?

[Pietro97]

Nordid + cm

typical spanish

[Cristiano viejo]

Nordid + cm

typical spanish

No, he is just an Italian looking Spanish.

[Avgvstvs]

No, he is just an Italian looking Spanish.As you say: he is spanish so he looks spanish

Verdict: looks spanish

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