Classify 'old' Assyrian YouTuber, Papa Rug

[Zroota]

He is the father of the famous YouTuber, Faze Rug (13+ million subscribers).

https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/9cb9909a8b7465737561073abee27233/5E312518/t51.2885-15/e35/39118556_311403752769347_3178880745183641600_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=111&dl=1
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https://idolwiki.com/pics/PapaRug/PapaRug.jpg
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[Kyp]

Assyroid

[Zroota]

Assyroid
For the umpteenth time, the Assyrians below are Assyroid (they look exclusively Mesopotamian or Semitic and wouldn't pass anywhere outside of the region):

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-eqmmkaiz9w/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VdwPbts_JvI/maxresdefault.jpg
https://a3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/121/3b2c7f1f3488cf1b415fb914bb26b73b/full.jpg
https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/126/0319e641913740d8b5570aeb20222d69/full.jpg

I rarely post Assyroid Assyrians because I know they clearly are Assyroids and most people here would classify them as such. So I tend to do the less obvious, 'ambiguous' ones like the guy in the OP. But in this forum, it seems like posting non-Assyroid Assyrians still gets you "Assyroid". Lol.

Papa Rug's wife is a clear Assyroid as well (so that's why I skipped her):

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2QNavFKMfIY/maxresdefault.jpg

[Nazarene]

Faze's dad looks very typical Nineveh Plains Assyrian imo

[Zroota]

Faze's dad looks very typical Nineveh Plains Assyrian imo
That's right. He's got the Chaldean look.

[Zroota]

Bump...

[Kamal900]

So Mesopotamian looking that it hurts, lol. I mean, for me he wouldn't really stick out among us Levantines really.

[Zroota]

So Mesopotamian looking that it hurts, lol. I mean, for me he wouldn't really stick out among us Levantines really.
He looks extremely Nineveh Plains Assyrian for sure Lol. That's where Mosul is.

Honestly, 85%-90% of Assyrians wouldn't stick out in the Levant really. Perhaps those atypical, Doli headed, Iranid types might, which are very rare anyway.

[Kamal900]

He looks extremely Nineveh Plains Assyrian for sure Lol. That's where Mosul is.

Honestly, 85%-90% of Assyrians wouldn't stick out in the Levant really. Perhaps those atypical, Doli headed, Iranid types might, which are very rare anyway.

True.

[Zroota]

Bump

[Tooting Carmen]

Pan-Middle Eastern

[FinalFlash]

What % of Assyrians are Assyroid in your opinion?

[Zroota]

Pan-Middle Eastern
Not really. He won't pass, or he'd be very atypical, in the Gulf Arab states, the Arabian Peninsula and southern Iran at all. If I posed him as a South Italian, you would probably say he won't pass in the Middle East.


What % of Assyrians are Assyroid in your opinion?
40%-50% or pretty much half of us, which is the majority. The remainder are Meds, Armenoids/Taurids, Iranids and Alpines.

[archangel]

Assyroid, wouldnt pass as an ethnic Türk

[Zroota]

Assyroid, wouldnt pass as an ethnic Türk
Refer to my post above to see pics of actual Assyroids. ;)

The Assyroid template:

http://humanphenotypes.net/assyroidm.jpg

P.S. Who are ethnic Turks anyway? Native Anatolian people with little or no Mongoloid admixture? If that's the case, then I don't see how he won't pass as a native eastern Turk. He looks similar to this Turkish man I searched in Google:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CBMTFB/turkish-man-in-sultan-costume-stands-in-sultanahmet-park-in-front-CBMTFB.jpg

And how do 'ethnic Turks' look like? Give me one quintessential example.

[archangel]

Refer to my post above to see pics of actual Assyroids. ;)

The Assyroid template:

http://humanphenotypes.net/assyroidm.jpg

İ dont know man dude looks very Mesopotamian

[Kamal900]

Refer to my post above to see pics of actual Assyroids. ;)

The Assyroid template:

http://humanphenotypes.net/assyroidm.jpg

P.S. Who are ethnic Turks anyway? Native Anatolian people with little or no Mongoloid admixture? If that's the case, then I don't see how he won't pass as a native eastern Turk. He looks similar to this Turkish man I searched in Google:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CBMTFB/turkish-man-in-sultan-costume-stands-in-sultanahmet-park-in-front-CBMTFB.jpg

And how do 'ethnic Turks' look like? Give me one quintessential example.

What about the Turks from South-West Turkey in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM5hXrV_4ek&feature=emb_title

They look quite dark to me.

[archangel]

What about the Turks from South-West Turkey in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM5hXrV_4ek&feature=emb_title

They look quite dark to me.

Some of these are gypsies honestly

[Kivan]

What about the Turks from South-West Turkey in this video?

They look quite dark to me.

They are likely Yörüks. And just tanned and have different features if compared to this guy in the OP.

Funny is that average person in this video looks lighter than 99% of the Arabs i've seen xD
https://i1.wp.com/media.globalnews.ca/videostatic/news/noge00uud9-bb0s1bxv4s/deathpalestinian.jpg?w=1040&quality=70&strip=all

[archangel]

Refer to my post above to see pics of actual Assyroids. ;)

The Assyroid template:

http://humanphenotypes.net/assyroidm.jpg

P.S. Who are ethnic Turks anyway? Native Anatolian people with little or no Mongoloid admixture? If that's the case, then I don't see how he won't pass as a native eastern Turk. He looks similar to this Turkish man I searched in Google:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CBMTFB/turkish-man-in-sultan-costume-stands-in-sultanahmet-park-in-front-CBMTFB.jpg

And how do 'ethnic Turks' look like? Give me one quintessential example.

There is no such thing as 'eastern Türk'.

Anyways the dude you posted look foreing to me

[Kamal900]

Some of these are gypsies honestly

Well, there are over a million of Domari people in Egypt and they look not much differently from the Egyptians and so on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjAJwJO8nCY

The Turks in the video honestly don't look like the gypsies of the middle east despite their pigmentation and all, and gutilken told me that camel wrestling is an age old Turkic tradition where the mixed camels called Tulu camels(dromedary and bactrian camels) would wrestle each other when they're in heat, and the people that are doing it are the Yoruks of western Turkey, not Gypsies:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306283-Camel-wrestling-season-kicks-off-in-Turkey

[Kamal900]

They are likely Yörüks. And just tanned and have different features if compared to this guy in the OP.

Funny is that average person in this video looks lighter than 99% of the Arabs i've seen xD
https://i1.wp.com/media.globalnews.ca/videostatic/news/noge00uud9-bb0s1bxv4s/deathpalestinian.jpg?w=1040&quality=70&strip=all

Those are Gazans, and they look differently from west asians like Assyrians and etc who look more closer to the genetic isolated groups of the Levant. Palestinian Muslims have foreign admixtures from Egypt, Arabia and even Sudan as well, and it all depends on the region. This is how the majority of Palestinians look like:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?305579-Classify-these-Palestinians

How the Maronites look like:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306886-Classify-these-Cypriot-Maronites

Not sure why you think that being dark is necessarily a bad thing really, but it tells me a lot of your inferiority complex character to me. And look at the Gazans in this picture, they're just as light as the Yoruks in the video, just look differently from them, that's all. In other hand, both the Yoruks and the Palestinian Arabs don't look remotely White, rofl. Sorry for destroying your hopes and dreams. And there's nothing wrong in having Black admixture either since we will never look remotely White with or without such admixture, and most of our SSA admixture is from the Nilotic peoples like the Dinka and etc:
https://www.somalispot.com/attachments/30bf6d0f-1f8a-423c-b8a7-825c7e6e7ead-jpeg.57693/
https://live.staticflickr.com/8733/16963803721_bdda1a7787_b.jpg
https://fashionindustrybroadcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/paultshirtniloticBest.png
https://i.mdel.net/oftheminute/images/2016/07/polaroid2-1012x1322.jpg

And unlike the majority of Turks including yourself, I'm not ashamed to be dark, middle eastern nor feel inferior to Europeans/Westerners, so you pretty much failed to trigger me or something.

[archangel]

Well, there are over a million of Domari people in Egypt and they look not much differently from the Egyptians and so on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjAJwJO8nCY

The Turks in the video honestly don't look like the gypsies of the middle east despite their pigmentation and all, and gutilken told me that camel wrestling is an age old Turkic tradition where the mixed camels called Tulu camels(dromedary and bactrian camels) would wrestle each other when they're in heat, and the people that are doing it are the Yoruks of western Turkey, not Gypsies:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306283-Camel-wrestling-season-kicks-off-in-Turkey

They maybe Yörüks yeah but not sure, anyways Yörüks have their own look.
https://www.google.com/search?q=yoruks&sxsrf=ACYBGNQqqwzpNfplGeyadPlo5JjIfSWd_Q:157382008 6711&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQxNXZmOzlAhUnWhUIHfw8CdoQ_AUIEigB&cshid=1573820341199105&biw=1366&bih=653

[Kamal900]

They maybe Yörüks yeah but not sure, anyways Yörüks have their own look.
https://www.google.com/search?q=yoruks&sxsrf=ACYBGNQqqwzpNfplGeyadPlo5JjIfSWd_Q:157382008 6711&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQxNXZmOzlAhUnWhUIHfw8CdoQ_AUIEigB&cshid=1573820341199105&biw=1366&bih=653

Pretty much, yeah, and they're genetically the most Turkic in Turkey.

[archangel]

Those are Gazans, and they look differently from west asians like Assyrians and etc who look more closer to the genetic isolated groups of the Levant. Palestinian Muslims have foreign admixtures from Egypt, Arabia and even Sudan as well, and it all depends on the region. This is how the majority of Palestinians look like:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?305579-Classify-these-Palestinians

How the Maronites look like:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306886-Classify-these-Cypriot-Maronites

Not sure why you think that being dark is necessarily a bad thing really, but it tells me a lot of your inferiority complex character to me. And look at the Gazans in this picture, they're just as light as the Yoruks in the video, just look differently from them, that's all. In other hand, both the Yoruks and the Palestinian Arabs don't look remotely White, rofl. Sorry for destroying your hopes and dreams. And there's nothing wrong in having Black admixture either since we will never look remotely White with or without such admixture, and most of our SSA admixture is from the Nilotic peoples like the Dinka and etc:
https://www.somalispot.com/attachments/30bf6d0f-1f8a-423c-b8a7-825c7e6e7ead-jpeg.57693/
https://live.staticflickr.com/8733/16963803721_bdda1a7787_b.jpg
https://fashionindustrybroadcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/paultshirtniloticBest.png
https://i.mdel.net/oftheminute/images/2016/07/polaroid2-1012x1322.jpg

And unlike the majority of Turks including yourself, I'm not ashamed to be dark, middle eastern nor feel inferior to Europeans/Westerners, so you pretty much failed to trigger me or something.

Hold on your horses dude lol.Just because seeing a video or a couple of images woudnt mean we are similar.

Still there is a clear phenotype difference between us and the rest of the MENA in skin color,hair color etc.. and indicating this is a not a complex, just assume that a Croat would point out his nations differences compared to Greeks.

https://resmim.net/f/twUg57.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/q3yBhD.jpg

[Kamal900]

Hold on your horses dude lol.Just because seeing a video or a couple of images woudnt mean we are similar.

Still there is a clear phenotype difference between us and the rest of the MENA in skin color,hair color etc.. and indicating this is a not a complex, just assume that a Croat would point out his nations differences compared to Greeks.

I never stated that we were similar in any shape or form. Levantines for example are genetically distant from Turks, Azeris, Armenians and so on, and that we're much more closer to each other and to the Semitic peoples of Mesopotamia and elsewhere like Assyrians, Georgian Jews, Iranian Jews, Iraqi Jews and etc. You can see my results, and Turks and other west Asians don't show up in the top 25 results. The point I was trying to make is that neither us or Anatolian Turks would ever fit in most if not all European and western countries, that's all. The reason why a portion of Turks would pass in certain regions of Europe is due to the admixture from Europeans that they had conquered, and the migrations of European Turks from Bulgaria and other Balkan countries to Turkey and so on. Not to mention the Caucasian, Bosniak and even Albanian immigrants to Turkey as well.

[Kivan]

Those are Gazans, and they look differently from west asians like Assyrians and etc who look more closer to the genetic isolated groups of the Levant. Palestinian Muslims have foreign admixtures from Egypt, Arabia and even Sudan as well, and it all depends on the region. This is how the majority of Palestinians look like:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?305579-Classify-these-Palestinians

How the Maronites look like:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306886-Classify-these-Cypriot-Maronites

They look like the average Syrian refugee in Turkey, i'm not kidding.
And to be honest, people in the first link don't look much different of the people in the photo, just lighter pigmented.


Not sure why you think that being dark is necessarily a bad thing really, but it tells me a lot of your inferiority complex character to me.
So why did you start arguing about pigmentation? i'm not naive, you posted that to troll stealthly.


And look at the Gazans in this picture, they're just as light as the Yoruks in the video, just look differently from them, that's all.
You must be blind xD


In other hand, both the Yoruks and the Palestinian Arabs don't look remotely White, rofl. Sorry for destroying your hopes and dreams. And there's nothing wrong in having Black admixture either since we will never look remotely White with or without such admixture, and most of our SSA admixture is from the Nilotic peoples like the Dinka and etc:

And unlike the majority of Turks including yourself, I'm not ashamed to be dark, middle eastern nor feel inferior to Europeans/Westerners, so you pretty much failed to trigger me or something.
I don't consider myself Middle-Eastern and i'm not ashamed about anything. It's you who started with such conversation.
I posted plenty of dark Turks here. Not my fault if you have selective amnesia:

https://abload.de/img/db3o-bcwkaet_1ufskdd.jpg

[Kamal900]

They look like the average Syrian refugee in Turkey, i'm not kidding.
And to be honest, people in the first link don't look much different of the people in the photo, just lighter pigmented.


So why did you start arguing about pigmentation? i'm not naive, you posted that to troll stealthly.


You must be blind xD


I don't consider myself Middle-Eastern and i'm not ashamed about anything. It's you who started with such conversation.
I posted plenty of dark Turks here. Not my fault if you have selective amnesia:
https://abload.de/img/db3o-bcwkaet_1ufskdd.jpg

And I'm not the one who kept posting Turks for comparison to the Syrians just to show off how White your people are and close to Europeans which is pathetic attempt to get more closer to the west really in the other thread. I meant in pigmentation in the video, not the racial phenotypes. Well, you the one who started to gloat on how 99% of Arabs darker than the Assyrian man in your dumbass brain even though they're the same skin tone and etc, just look differently:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306677-Classify-old-Assyrian-YouTuber-Papa-Rug&p=6334690&viewfull=1#post6334690

I'm not the one who brought it up here, you did:

Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

In your OWD head, being light is superior than being dark which is why you kept on posting pictures of Turks and Arabs for comparison to feel good about yourself which is pathetic honestly. Look at the Dravidians of India for example. They're more darker than their Indo-Aryan cousins in the North, and yet, their states are very well developed and stable. And you dare to self project things onto me by claiming that I'm the one who worship whiteness?

My parents:
https://i.ibb.co/vj8BXQZ/scan0009.jpg

The Assyrian man:
https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/9cb9909a8b7465737561073abee27233/5E312518/t51.2885-15/e35/39118556_311403752769347_3178880745183641600_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=111&dl=1

They're not darker or light than the Assyrian, but at the same time, they look quite differently from him, dumbass.

[Kivan]

And I'm not the one who kept posting Turks for comparison to the Syrians just to show off how White your people are and close to Europeans which is pathetic attempt to get more closer to the west really in the other thread. I meant in pigmentation in the video, not the racial phenotypes. Well, you the one who started to gloat on how 99% of Arabs darker than the Assyrian man in your dumbass brain even though they're the same skin tone and etc, just look differently:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306677-Classify-old-Assyrian-YouTuber-Papa-Rug&p=6334690&viewfull=1#post6334690

I'm not the one who brought it up here, you did:


In your OWD head, being light is superior than being dark which is why you kept on posting pictures of Turks and Arabs for comparison to feel good about yourself which is pathetic honestly. Look at the Dravidians of India for example. They're more darker than their Indo-Aryan cousins in the North, and yet, their states are very well developed and stable. And you dare to self project things onto me by claiming that I'm the one who worship whiteness?

My parents:

The Assyrian man:


They're not darker or light than the Assyrian, but at the same time, they look quite differently from him, dumbass.

What are you talking about? You started talking about being white here, not me.
You said i'm "ashamed in being dark" and i said i posted dark Turks (like the ones in the photo).

Other example:

He is from Aydın, Southwest Anatolia.

https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture196-rumyio5.png

[Kamal900]

What are you talking about? You started talking about being white here, not me.
You said i'm "ashamed in being dark" and i said i posted dark Turks (like the ones in the photo).

Other example:

I wasn't the one who brought the whole thing up really. It was you in the other thread who began doing this sort of thing when you were comparing Turks to Syrians and Arabs in general showing how light and superior the Turks are, and I posted the video showcasing the racial phenotype of the Yoruk during their camel festival in western Turkey to Archangel which had nothing to do with you. You came here and start spewing out shit just because you feel butthurt in the other thread. Now that's pathetic. Now, about the man that you posted, this man can easily pass among us quite well with no trouble at all, and he looks west asian rather than European. He's racially Taurid like me.

[Kivan]

I wasn't the one who brought the whole thing up really. It was you in the other thread who began doing this sort of thing when you were comparing Turks to Syrians and Arabs in general showing how light and superior the Turks are, and I posted the video showcasing the racial phenotype of the Yoruk during their camel festival in western Turkey to Archangel which had nothing to do with you. You came here and start spewing out shit just because you feel butthurt in the other thread. Now that's pathetic. Now, about the man that you posted, this man can easily pass among us quite well with no trouble at all, and he looks west asian rather than European. He's racially Taurid like me.

1. You replied this thread just because of butthurt about the other thread in the Turkish section. Don't think i'm fool.

2. I replied "shitcow" and Tigranes in that way because they deserved it.

3. Again, you started arguing about pigmentation here, not me. And where did i say i'm superior for being lighter?

4. Did i say some lie? You are not in position to troll anyone for being dark. Keep it in mind.

5. I posted him because you implied i don't post "dark Turks" and called me OWD.

[Kamal900]

1. You replied this thread just because of butthurt about the other thread in the Turkish section. Don't think i'm fool.

2. I replied "shitcow" and Tigranes in that way because they deserved it.

3. Again, you started arguing about pigmentation here, not me. And where did i say i'm superior for being lighter?

4. Did i say some lie? You are not in position to troll anyone for being dark. Keep it in mind.

5. I posted him because you implied i don't post "dark Turks" and called me OWD.

The video I posted here was from the thread I had posted which gutilken agreed with me. I posted the video to Shelati on whether or not the Turks in the video look middle eastern or Assyrian to him. Archangel disagreed with me and then you barged in here and start talking about how dark the Arabs are and etc. This was my first post here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306677-Classify-old-Assyrian-YouTuber-Papa-Rug&p=6332893&viewfull=1#post6332893

In the other thread that you kept showing off how light the Turks are in comparison to the Arabs and etc. Jesus. Yes, you did claim that the Arabs in the picture you posted are darker than the Assyrian even though pigmentation wise they're the same while racially different which is why I posted my parents, who are Palestinians themselves, and compare it to the Assyrian to disprove this notion. I wasn't trolling when I posted the video, okay? I was a bit puzzled on their pigmentation even though they're living away from the eastern part of Anatolia where Kurds and Arabs mostly inhabit. Archangel clarified it for me. I called you an OWD because you have a strange way of seeing things in the world where lighter means better even if you don't consider yourself as European or whatever. I called Eliasalucard and The Apple from the ABF as being OWD and they're Assyrians who think they're much whiter and would pass easily among the Europeans even though I told them otherwise which they got a hussy fit on me for saying that.

Anyway, let's call it a truce and move on, okay?

[chociprasa]

Assyroid.

[Zroota]

There is no such thing as 'eastern Türk'.

Anyways the dude you posted look foreing to me
Dude, you sent me a PM and you admitted that he passes a Turk. What is with the slyness? Lol.

To make it clear, I am not "whitewashing" him or want Assyrians to pass as something else. I just hate ethnic bias and how people act like anthro snobs where they won't pass a subject outside of their native region when they can (the guy in the OP does indeed look very Nineveh Plains Assyrian or Upper Mesopotamian, but it's superficial and slanted to think that he can't pass in parts of Turkey, Iran, Lebanon or Armenia, among others). When will this bias snobbery end? If I posed him as a Cypriot, nobody would pass him in Mesopotamia, let alone the Middle East. Lmao. God, that's why sometimes I think we need Hadouken back! He picked up on these bizarre ethnic biases.

P.S. This all became clear to me when I posed an ethnic English lady as an Assyrian and people were all classifying her as Armenoid and Asiatic Alpine. Lmao. One user even said she won't pass as a European :picard1:: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?293071-Classify-Assyrian-actress-from-Northwestern-Iran-Ekaf-Anem&p=6106351

[Pine]

Some of these are gypsies honestly

Every time a dark one is posted, they're a gypsy.

[Dna8]

Faze's dad looks very typical Nineveh Plains Assyrian imo

My immediate reaction too.

[Kamal900]

Dude, you sent me a PM and you admitted that he passes a Turk. What is with the slyness? Lol.

To make it clear, I am not "whitewashing" him or want Assyrians to pass as something else. I just hate ethnic bias and how people act like anthro snobs where they won't pass a subject outside of their native region when they can (the guy in the OP does indeed look very Nineveh Plains Assyrian or Upper Mesopotamian, but it's superficial and slanted to think that he can't pass in parts of Turkey, Iran, Lebanon or Armenia, among others). When will this bias snobbery end? If I posed him as a Cypriot, nobody would pass him in Mesopotamia. Lmao. God, that's why sometimes I think we need Hadouken back! He picked out on these bizarre ethnocentric biases.

P.S. This all became clear to me when I posed an ethnic English lady as an Assyrian and people were all classifying her as Armenoid and Asiatic Alpine. Lmao. One user even said she won't pass as a European, let alone English :picard1:: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?293071-Classify-Assyrian-actress-from-Northwestern-Iran-Ekaf-Anem&p=6106351

For me, they still think that ethnicity = race or something where they claim that Arabs are from Arabia, western Jews from Europe and etc even though genetic studies prove these things as completely false and so on. Like, even though I identify myself as an Arab I'm genetically cluster very closely with other Levantines and Semites outside of the Levant like Assyrians and Jews like Iraqi Jews, Georgian Jews and so on than to BedouinB, Saudis and Yemenite Arabs.

[Zroota]

For me, they still think that ethnicity = race or something where they claim that Arabs are from Arabia, western Jews from Europe and etc even though genetic studies prove these things as completely false and so on. Like, even though I identify myself as an Arab I'm genetically cluster very closely with other Levantines and Semites outside of the Levant like Assyrians and Jews like Iraqi Jews, Georgian Jews and so on than to BedouinB, Saudis and Yemenite Arabs.
I won't be surprised if you are a descendant of Assyrians of the Syriac Orthodox faith (who originally come from Tur Abdin, Turkey). For an Arab, you surely are more Upper Mesopotamian/Caucasian shifted, as you say. I doubt Palestinians in general would fare close to these people, as they're generally either very Levantine shifted and/or closer to those of the Arabian Peninsula (if I am correct).

[Kamal900]

I won't be surprised if you are a descendant of Assyrians of the Syriac Orthodox faith (who originally come from Tur Abdin, Turkey). For an Arab, you surely are more Upper Mesopotamian/Caucasian shifted, as you say. I doubt Palestinians in general would fare close to these people, as they're generally either very Levantine shifted and/or closer to those of the Arabian Peninsula (if I am correct).

Palestinian Muslims in general are around more than 43 to 45 percent Canaanite, 23.33% close genetic affinity to the ancient Egyptians from the new kingdom(they're also have Levantine ancestry mind you), 15 genetic affinity to ancient Armenia and Iran, 14 Arabian and 4.17 Black admixtures:

"sample": "Test1:Palestinian",
"fit": 1.2676,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 43.33,
"EGY_Late_Period": 23.33,
"BedouinB": 14.17,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 10,
"ARM_LBA": 5,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 4.17,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 0,

We got our Berber ancestry indirectly from the Egyptians. Now, if I removed the ancient Egyptian to know the exact Levantine ancestry in Palestinians I get this:

"sample": "Test1:Palestinian",
"fit": 1.4579,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 50.83,
"BedouinB": 24.17,
"ARM_LBA": 11.67,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 6.67,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 3.33,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 3.33,

Now, my removing BedouinB and replace it with the early Bronze age Canaanite from Jordan, and replacing the Phoenician Roman citizen with the middle bronze age Canaanite from Syria I get this:

"sample": "Test1:Palestinian",
"fit": 1.3559,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 45,
"Levant_JOR_EBA": 27.5,
"ARM_LBA": 8.33,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 8.33,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 6.67,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 4.17,

So there ya go.

[happycow]

1. You replied this thread just because of butthurt about the other thread in the Turkish section. Don't think i'm fool.

2. I replied "shitcow" and Tigranes in that way because they deserved it.

3. Again, you started arguing about pigmentation here, not me. And where did i say i'm superior for being lighter?

4. Did i say some lie? You are not in position to troll anyone for being dark. Keep it in mind.

5. I posted him because you implied i don't post "dark Turks" and called me OWD.

dis nigga mad as hell dawg :lmao

[Kamal900]

I won't be surprised if you are a descendant of Assyrians of the Syriac Orthodox faith (who originally come from Tur Abdin, Turkey). For an Arab, you surely are more Upper Mesopotamian/Caucasian shifted, as you say. I doubt Palestinians in general would fare close to these people, as they're generally either very Levantine shifted and/or closer to those of the Arabian Peninsula (if I am correct).

Here's my results:

"sample": "Test1:Moody_scaled",
"fit": 1.6791,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 61.67,
"ARM_LBA": 28.33,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 8.33,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 1.67,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 0,
"Levant_JOR_EBA": 0,

happycow's results:

"sample": "Test1:TimA_scaled",
"fit": 1.513,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 54.17,
"ARM_LBA": 17.5,
"Levant_JOR_EBA": 13.33,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 8.33,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 3.33,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 3.33,

So, you could be right on the fact that I have Mesopotamian ancestry or something.

[Zroota]

Here's my results:

"sample": "Test1:Moody_scaled",
"fit": 1.6791,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 61.67,
"ARM_LBA": 28.33,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 8.33,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 1.67,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 0,
"Levant_JOR_EBA": 0,

happycow's results:

"sample": "Test1:TimA_scaled",
"fit": 1.513,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 54.17,
"ARM_LBA": 17.5,
"Levant_JOR_EBA": 13.33,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 8.33,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 3.33,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 3.33,

So, you could be right on the fact that I have Mesopotamian ancestry or something.
Interesting results. Thanks.

Oh yeah, about EliasAlucard and the other Assyrian, are they still active nowadays on ABF? StonyArabia has also talked about them and I have never came across with them. Looks like I missed the fun. And what exactly does ABF stand for (guessing A is anthro)? I want to see the OWD stuff they've written and laugh a little. Lol.

[Kamal900]

Interesting results. Thanks.

Oh yeah, about EliasAlucard and other Assyrian, are they still active nowadays on ABF? And what exactly does ABF stand for (guessing A is anthro)? I want to see the OWD stuff they've written and laugh a little. Lol.

To be honest, I don't really know what happened to them or to their website really. I was banned from that site in summer 2016, and I never looked back on it since. Yeah. EliasAlucard worships the Turks so much even though they were responsible for the genocide of Assyrians in the early 1900's, and of course he talks shit against us Arabs as well and claiming that Assyrians hates us much more so than Iranians and etc which I find it a bit baffling to say the least since it's the Kurds that are currently occupying ancient Assyrian homeland in what is now Iraqi Kurdistan, not us.

[Zroota]

To be honest, I don't really what happened to them or to their website really. I was banned from that site in summer 2016, and I never looked back on it since. Yeah. EliasAlucard worships the Turks so much even though they were responsible for the genocide of Assyrians in the early 1900's, and of course he talks shit against us Arabs as well and claiming that Assyrians hates us much more so than Iranians and etc which I find it a bit baffling to say the least since it's the Kurds that are currently occupying ancient Assyrian homeland in what is now Iraqi Kurdistan, not us.
What's the website called in full? I wrote ABF and non-anthro stuff came up.

He must be an Iranian Assyrian. They are the biggest Arab haters. Iraqi and Syrian Assyrians are pretty pro-Arab, and would proudly identify as Iraqi/Syrian (and even I am a bit against that tbh Lol). One ridiculous Iranian Assyrian was so against Arabs, that he called them "ay-rabs" and blamed Arabs for Islamic terrorism ("nah, not Islam, just Arab mindset bruh"). Pretty hilarious and dumb.

To be fair though, they actually hate Arab-Arabs, like the 'pure' ones with dark skin from the Gulf. It's an OWD thing I guess...

[Kamal900]

What's the website called in full? I wrote ABF and non-anthro stuff came up.

He must be an Iranian Assyrian. They are the biggest Arab haters. Iraqi and Syrian Assyrians are pretty pro-Arab, and would proudly identify as Iraqi/Syrian (and even I am a bit against that tbh Lol). One ridiculous Iranian Assyrian was so against Arabs, that he called them "ay-rabs" and blamed Arabs for Islamic terrorism ("nah, not Islam, just Arab mindset bruh"). Pretty hilarious and dumb.

To be fair though, they actually hate Arab-Arabs, like the 'pure' ones with dark skin from the Gulf. It's an OWD thing I guess...

This site:
https://www.forumbiodiversity.com

I've written down ABF forum and the link to the site showed up as the first result in Google search. It's still down, rofl. Well, Babak told me that Persians hate the Saudis but don't mind the Arabs outside of Arabia like us Levantines, Iraqis and North Africans. I guess, but EliasAlucard is living in Sweden, but I think he's originally from Iran.

[21993]

Syrid + Armenoid

[Zroota]

This site:
https://www.forumbiodiversity.com

I've written down ABF forum and the link to the site showed up as the first result in Google search. It's still down, rofl. Well, Babak told me that Persians hate the Saudis but don't mind the Arabs outside of Arabia like us Levantines, Iraqis and North Africans. I guess, but EliasAlucard is living in Sweden, but I think he's originally from Iran.
Aha! Makes perfect sense. Iranian Assyrians even mock us and look down on us for listening to Arab music. And yet they'd spend hours listening to Iranian music. They use Iranian words and yet they'd get very riled up if we use Arabic words. Um, hello, it's a Semitic language like ours and some words will be naturally similar!

They dislike Iraqi Arabs too. But I think they're fine with Levantine Arabs like the Lebanese because they're 'whiter', more Christian and look similar to us.


Syrid + Armenoid
Assyroid is basically Armenoid/Arabid mix. You're decent with classifications. It's odd you didn't know that.

And he is NOT Assyroid. Looks Mesopotamian/Assyrian, yes, but he is not phenotypically Assyroid. If that's Assyroid then what the hell is this going to be:

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000148890859-7kclt3-t500x500.jpg

Saharid I guess?

[Kamal900]

Aha! Makes perfect sense. They even mock us and look down on us for listening to Arab music. And yet they'd spend hours listening to Iranian music.

They dislike Iraqi Arabs too. But I think they're fine with Levantine Arabs like the Lebanese because they're 'whiter', more Christian and look similar to us.

Just lol. Maybe Elias should stop being an OWD so much and admit that the Kurds had done much more harm to the Assyrian people as a whole than any Arab group really. I mean, the Kurds of North-Eastern Syria are ethnically cleansing the Assyrians, Arabs and the Turkmen out of their homes to create this western backed Kurdistan in Syria and Iraq that would be very subservient to Israel and it's geopolitical interests in the region. I have a Syrian Christian Arab friend who's name is Elias as well even though he's a Greek Orthodox Christian.

[Kamal900]

Aha! Makes perfect sense. Iranian Assyrians even mock us and look down on us for listening to Arab music. And yet they'd spend hours listening to Iranian music. They use Iranian words and yet they'd get very riled up if we use Arabic words. Um, hello, it's a Semitic language like ours and some words will be naturally similar!

They dislike Iraqi Arabs too. But I think they're fine with Levantine Arabs like the Lebanese because they're 'whiter', more Christian and look similar to us.


Assyroid is basically Armenoid/Arabid mix. You're decent with classifications. It's odd you didn't know that.

And he is NOT Assyroid. Looks Mesopotamian/Assyrian, yes, but he is not phenotypically Assyroid. If that's Assyroid then what the hell is this going to be:

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000148890859-7kclt3-t500x500.jpg

Saharid I guess?

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000148890859-7kclt3-t500x500.jpg

Okay, this guy looks really Levantine to me. In fact, my paternal relatives look similar to him, lol. Anyway, I have used recent updated scaled samples for the Palestinians and this is their results:

"sample": "Test1:Palestinian",
"fit": 1.079,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 44.17,
"Egyptian": 26.67,
"BedouinB": 15,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 8.33,
"ARM_LBA": 4.17,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 1.67,

"sample": "Test1:Toppo900",
"fit": 1.745,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 56.67,
"ARM_LBA": 20,
"Egyptian": 18.33,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 2.5,
"BedouinB": 1.67,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 0.83,

"sample": "Test1:happycow",
"fit": 1.4681,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 53.33,
"Egyptian": 22.5,
"ARM_LBA": 10,
"BedouinB": 7.5,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 5,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 1.67,

The best fit for Palestinian Muslims, lol.

[Zroota]

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000148890859-7kclt3-t500x500.jpg

Okay, this guy looks really Levantine to me. In fact, my paternal relatives look similar to him, lol. Anyway, I have used recent updated scaled samples for the Palestinians and this is their results:

"sample": "Test1:Palestinian",
"fit": 1.079,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 44.17,
"Egyptian": 26.67,
"BedouinB": 15,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 8.33,
"ARM_LBA": 4.17,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 1.67,

"sample": "Test1:Toppo900",
"fit": 1.745,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 56.67,
"ARM_LBA": 20,
"Egyptian": 18.33,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 2.5,
"BedouinB": 1.67,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 0.83,

"sample": "Test1:happycow",
"fit": 1.4681,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 53.33,
"Egyptian": 22.5,
"ARM_LBA": 10,
"BedouinB": 7.5,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA": 5,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 1.67,

The best fit for Palestinian Muslims, lol.
Interesting, so they're more Egyptian/Bedouin shifted than you.

I see him more as Iraqi Arab and Mandean looking. In other words, very southern Mesopotamian. Lol. But yeah, I guess he can pass in the Levant. They are generally in the Syrid range as well, if not Armenoid, Med or Arabid.

[Kamal900]

Interesting, so they're more Egyptian/Bedouin shifted than you.

I see him more as Iraqi Arab. Lol. But yeah, Levantines are generally in the Syrid range, if not Armenoid, Med or Arabid.

Because my parents families came from the coastal line of northern Israel/Palestine which is why I'm more northern shifted than the typical Pali Muslim, you know? Our Canaanite ancestry is on the same level as Ashkenazi Jews who also score 45% Canaanite as well. Sephardic Jews are 38% Canaanite due to them having Mizrahi Jews assimilating to their group and so on. The pure ones are obviously the Christians and the Samaritans of the Levant.

[Zroota]

Two pages and only 3 classifications. Lol

[Pine]

Because my parents families came from the coastal line of northern Israel/Palestine which is why I'm more northern shifted than the typical Pali Muslim, you know? Our Canaanite ancestry is on the same level as Ashkenazi Jews who also score 45% Canaanite as well. Sephardic Jews are 38% Canaanite due to them having Mizrahi Jews assimilating to their group and so on. The pure ones are obviously the Christians and the Samaritans of the Levant.

This is wrong.

[Latinus]

Dinaro-Med.

Enviado de meu SM-G610M usando o Tapatalk

[Kamal900]

This is wrong.

Well, I don't know why the average overall Canaanite ancestry in Sephardim is a bit lower than those in Ashkenazi Jewry, but you can read the whole thread from Anthrogenica here:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14484-Could-Western-Jews-(Ash-and-Seph-)-descend-from-Aegeans-and-Levantine-admixture&p=621108&viewfull=1#post621108

[Pine]

Well, I don't know why the average overall Canaanite ancestry in Sephardim is a bit lower than those in Ashkenazi Jewry, but you can read the whole thread from Anthrogenica here:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14484-Could-Western-Jews-(Ash-and-Seph-)-descend-from-Aegeans-and-Levantine-admixture&p=621108&viewfull=1#post621108

I know why. Usually, when Sephardim score less Levantine on a given model, so do I. Yet, I'm Ashkenazi. This is because both Sephardim and I are low on North European admixture. What then happens is a combination of balancing and opting for midpoints, whereby our combo of south euro + levant is shifted to other groups exhibiting such mixes, while Ashkenazim often end up requiring more Levantine to balance the plotting with their North Euro. You see this with intra-Ashkenazi individual samples as well; the Ashkenazim with the highest north European end up also scoring the highest Levantine.