MyHeritage or 23andMe?

[Methuselah]

Finally ordering a DNA kit. Which one is better?

[Celestia]

23andme by a long shot.

[Coastal Elite]

23andMe in an epic beat down.

[Jana]

23andme by far.

[wisteria]

23andme has better ancestry breakdown, but my heritage has tree option and more cousins. So I guess it depends on what you want out of it. My heritage has been really useful for me even though their ancestry breakdown imo sucks

[TheMaestro]

23andMe is a 1000dollar hooker you want and myHeritage is the 50 dollar hooker that everyone fucks but dreams of the other one.

[Daos777]

After it’s latest update 23 and Me is shockingly accurate for me. Like suspiciously accurate to the point that I think they pull up your family history from the CIA and KGB, and 23 and me is nothing but a new world order formation of all secret services in the world meant to spy on your but also give you ancestry results.

[Lemgrant]

23andme

[InfamousAngel99]

23andMe. MyHeritage is laughably awful.

[Methuselah]

23andme by a long shot.


23andMe in an epic beat down.


23andme has better ancestry breakdown, but my heritage has tree option and more cousins. So I guess it depends on what you want out of it. My heritage has been really useful for me even though their ancestry breakdown imo sucks


23andMe is a 1000dollar hooker you want and myHeritage is the 50 dollar hooker that everyone fucks but dreams of the other one.


After it’s latest update 23 and Me is shockingly accurate for me. Like suspiciously accurate to the point that I think they pull up your family history from the CIA and KGB, and 23 and me is nothing but a new world order formation of all secret services in the world meant to spy on your but also give you ancestry results.


23andme


23andMe. MyHeritage is laughably awful.

What about Ancestry? 23andMe still better?

[Jana]

What about Ancestry? 23andMe still better?

Yes. It's the best on market, plus you will get both haplogroups which other companies don't offer in ancestry package.

[Token]

If you just want the raw data go with MyHeritage, because it is cheaper and tests more SNPs than 23andme. If you want a informative test with nice ancestry estimates and care about uniparentals, 23andme is the way to go.

http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/image12.png

[Lemgrant]

What about Ancestry? 23andMe still better?

yes, 23andme is way better than ancestrydna. For recent ancestry they are the best, but they don't show the overall admixture (For that, you use Gedmatch to see if you have elevated east asian, south asian, sub saharan etc.)

[vbnetkhio]

Finally ordering a DNA kit. Which one is better?

23andme has the most detailed ancestry estimate. they aim for the ancestry in the last 200-500 years, and give you a breakdown by administrative sub-divisions of each country.
Ancestry's and MyHeritage's estimates give you regions like "East Europe", "West Asia", etc.
MyHeritage is focused on Europe and will have an update soon with more detailed regions. Ancestry is just focused on Americans of west European and African descent and they'll probably never change.

myHeritage has more Europeans in their database, so you'll find more matches all over Europe, if you care about that.
ancestry has the best raw data, 23andme the worst, and myheritage is in the middle, if you care about that.

[Smitty]

Keep in mind, MyHeritage lets you upload your raw data from other companies and access your DNA matches for free. Matty74 clued me in to that, which is a great option if that's something you're interested in.

[Östsvensk]

If you just want the raw data go with MyHeritage, because it is cheaper and tests more SNPs than 23andme. If you want a informative test with nice ancestry estimates and care about uniparentals, 23andme is the way to go.

http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/image12.png

There was a member on The Apricity who claimed that MyHeritage and FTDNA have lowered their SNPs earlier this year, but I haven't found anything to confirm this. If this is true, then Ancestry currently has the best raw data on the market.

On the other hand, some say that while 23andme tests fewer, they selectively test those of better quality. They will also assign your haplogroups. They currently have a very good holiday deal where you get the health test for just five euros extra (€84 in total).

[Kaspias]

Buy 23andme, dont think much.

[vbnetkhio]

There was a member on The Apricity who claimed that MyHeritage and FTDNA have lowered their SNPs earlier this year, but I haven't found anything to confirm this. If this is true, then Ancestry currently has the best raw data on the market.

On the other hand, some say that while 23andme tests fewer, they selectively test those of better quality. They will also assign your haplogroups. They currently have a very good holiday deal where you get the health test for just five euros extra (€84 in total).

until last year all companies used the Illumina OmniExpress chip. now 23andme, ftdna and myheritage switched to GSA, and ancestry is still on illumina. both chips test 600-700k SNPs, but not the same ones.

ancestry still has 150,000 SNPs which are used in eurogenes calcualtors and Global 25. 23andme has only 50,000, and ftdna and myHeritage have 70,000

this are k36 results of the same person with 23andme v5 and with ancestry:


0 0
0 0
3.71 1.96
0.06 0
0 0
6.67 4.41
0 0
0 0
4.11 3.36
0 0
15.89 14.71
0 0.14
6.68 7.03
13.66 15.05
0 0.91
0 0
0 0
17.86 19.5
0 0
1 0.24
0.78 0
5.69 5.13
6.67 4.58
11.46 15.13
0 0
0 0
0.46 0.58
0 0
0 0
0.58 0.24
0.89 0
0 0
1.46 3.32
0 0
0.09 2.62
2.21 1.07


the overlap is 87.37, so the results with 23andme v5 are ~13% off. which is not that much. so if you are not a dna nerd, just go with 23andme.

[Luke35]

23andMe, period.

[nittionia]

23andMe, period.

Mhmm tell em girl


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[Celestia]

What about Ancestry? 23andMe still better?

Ancestry is pretty good as well although their most recent update gave me a bunch of weird low percentages.

23andme still takes the cake.

[Methuselah]

Ancestry is pretty good as well although their most recent update gave me a bunch of weird low percentages.

23andme still takes the cake.

Yeah, i'm gonna go with 23andMe. I hope they are not gonna bring any of "broadly this and broadly that".

[Leto]

Yeah, i'm gonna go with 23andMe. I hope they are not gonna bring any of "broadly this and broadly that".
If you're Finnish, you'll most likely come out as 95+% Finnish. The same goes for MyHeritage by the way.

[Jana]

On the other hand, some say that while 23andme tests fewer, they selectively test those of better quality.

Could be, because my man gets more logical results (considering his ancestry) with 23andme than with AncestryDNA. SNP count is not everything.

[Methuselah]

If you're Finnish, you'll most likely come out as 95+% Finnish. The same goes for MyHeritage by the way.

I have bunch of all kind of things in me including Russian, German, Polish, Pontic Greek and Karaite Jewish. Not only Finnish and Baltic.

Finns tend to get Amerindian which is funny. :D https://www.myheritage.com/eurovision/legends/darude-and-sebastian-rejman/

Like some Dagestanis are 30 % British. Not sure if it's really British.

[Östsvensk]

I have bunch of all kind of things in me including Russian, German, Polish, Pontic Greek and Karaite Jewish. Not only Finnish and Baltic.

Finns tend to get Amerindian which is funny. :D https://www.myheritage.com/eurovision/legends/darude-and-sebastian-rejman/

Like some Dagestanis are 30 % British. Not sure if it's really British.

I think I can recall from Coon's books that Karaite Jews were Mongoloid, no? I wonder if that will elevate that Far Eastern admixture in you quite a bit? :D

[Adamastor]

23andme is the way to go. MyHeritage sucks and I'm not even sure if their raw data is that good since simply testing more SNPs doesn't mean they will be high quality anyway.

The only relatively accurate test for recent ancestry is 23andme. MyHeritage is famous for giving many different bullshits in their results and most of these DIY calculators aren't really that good to measure recent ancestry.

[Methuselah]

I think I can recall from Coon's books that Karaite Jews were Mongoloid, no? I wonder if that will elevate that Far Eastern admixture in you quite a bit? :D

I think Khazars are Turkic, Karaite Jews are just Jews. They do have some Caucasus, Turkish in them tho. I would worry more about Pontic Greeks. I wonder what they might elevate in me.

[Lemgrant]

I think Khazars are Turkic, Karaite Jews are just Jews. They do have some Caucasus, Turkish in them i assume. But yeah, they probably elevate many things in me, on the other hand these people are distant in my family line, i will know better later. I would worry more about Pontic Greeks. I wonder what they might elevate in me.

Pontic Greeks score a lot of West Asian. Here is result of a Greek/Half Pontic Greek: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?291486-Greek-Members-DNA-Results-Collection&p=6210561&viewfull=1#post6210561

[vbnetkhio]

Finns tend to get Amerindian which is funny. :D https://www.myheritage.com/eurovision/legends/darude-and-sebastian-rejman/

Like some Dagestanis are 30 % British. Not sure if it's really British.

i forgot to mention myHeritage is sometimes just plain wrong.

[InfamousAngel99]

What about Ancestry? 23andMe still better?

If you want to have a lot of matches, AncestryDNA. If you want better ethnicity results, 23andMe.

[Östsvensk]

If you want to have a lot of matches, AncestryDNA. If you want better ethnicity results, 23andMe.

Ancestry has pretty limited matches for Europeans though, if I am not mistaken. Unless more have started to take their test recently.

[Pine]

I think I can recall from Coon's books that Karaite Jews were Mongoloid, no? I wonder if that will elevate that Far Eastern admixture in you quite a bit? :D

Not a single Karaite is Mongloid. I've seen DNA results for Crimean Karaites, Iraqi Karaites, and Egyptian Karaites. This just demonstrates why all that taxonomy shit is utter nonsense. I've researched Crimean Karaites a lot and Krymchaks - none of them look Turkic. Coon was just swayed by them speaking a Turkic language, like a typical moron from TheApricity. The Crimean Karaites scored <1% East Asian and 0 Central Asian.

[Pine]

I have bunch of all kind of things in me including Russian, German, Polish, Pontic Greek and Karaite Jewish. Not only Finnish and Baltic.

Finns tend to get Amerindian which is funny. :D https://www.myheritage.com/eurovision/legends/darude-and-sebastian-rejman/

Like some Dagestanis are 30 % British. Not sure if it's really British.

Is this some mythical bullshit or have you traced Karaite ancestry? Where is the Karaite ancestry from?

[Cumansky]

Is this some mythical bullshit or have you traced Karaite ancestry? Where is the Karaite ancestry from?

Why he is Karaite Jew? He has Lithuanian ancestor or no

If he is a Jew then he probably knows he is a Jew, mythical is the people that claim some origin when their real origin is something else, you know

[Östsvensk]

Not a single Karaite is Mongloid. I've seen DNA results for Crimean Karaites, Iraqi Karaites, and Egyptian Karaites. This just demonstrates why all that taxonomy shit is utter nonsense. I've researched Crimean Karaites a lot and Krymchaks - none of them look Turkic. Coon was just swayed by them speaking a Turkic language, like a typical moron from TheApricity. The Crimean Karaites scored <1% East Asian and 0 Central Asian.

You're probably right and I will not argue something that I don't remember more than just vaguely, but Coon was talking about the particular ones in Russia, I believe. Well, he could be wrong too.

[Pine]

Why he is Karaite Jew? He has Lithuanian ancestor or no

If he is a Jew then he probably knows he is a Jew, mythical is the people that claim some origin when their real origin is something else, you know

I understand what you're trolling about. As for the claim itself, I don't buy it. He probably thinks the Talmud is evil and hence saw a Karaite ancestor in a dream.

[InfamousAngel99]

Ancestry has pretty limited matches for Europeans though, if I am not mistaken. Unless more have started to take their test recently.

That could be the case. I don’t know. I’m only speaking from experience and what I’ve heard from some people I’ve talked to.

[Cumansky]

I understand what you're trolling about. As for the claim itself, I don't buy it. He probably thinks the Talmud is evil and hence saw a Karaite ancestor in a dream.

You don't know, simply you have no undisputable proof for if he is or is not

In the western court of law that read between the lines run-on sentence will not hold up

[Pine]

You're probably right and I will not argue something that I don't remember more than just vaguely, but Coon was talking about the particular ones in Russia, I believe. Well, he could be wrong too.

The ones in Russia are Crimean Karaites. The ones elsewhere in the Russian Empire descended from those in Crimea. I've seen their DNA results. There is also a study out there on their YDNA and MTDNA.

There are 2 types of people on this forum: those who think they're reading actual anthropology when they read shit like Coon and those who think it's simply not a part of anthropology anymore because the Jews don't want you to find out they're Armenoids. It's hard to even call that taxonomy shit "outdated", because it wasn't peer reviewed during its time or widespread. If people knew everything that went into phenotype, they'd realize how useless Coon's attempts were at finding a subracial taxonomy.

[asuvis]

Myheritage is worse than having to eat a horses dick.

[Pine]

What about Ancestry? 23andMe still better?

Ancestry is currently better at assigning Jewish ancestry if you do in fact have it. It's not necessarily better at the reverse though. Ancestry also has better raw data and has Genetic Communities, which are based on IBD sharing and tend to be very accurate.

[Cumansky]

Ancestry is currently better at assigning Jewish ancestry if you do in fact have it. It's not necessarily better at the reverse though. Ancestry also has better raw data and has Genetic Communities, which are based on IBD sharing and tend to be very accurate.

AncestryDNA give me wrong genetic communities

23andme give the right ones, in order too

[Östsvensk]

I understand what you're trolling about. As for the claim itself, I don't buy it. He probably thinks the Talmud is evil and hence saw a Karaite ancestor in a dream.

There might be a small segment of assimilated Jewish genes in Southern Finland. I saw a few "Jewish" Y-DNA markers among the Swedish-speaking group at least. They might come from Sweden too since a few Swedes carry J clades. Then again, that might also be from a proxy via Jewish ancestors. If he is from Southwestern Finland, he could have J clades in his genealogy or even be J himself (unlikely from what I have seen)

[vbnetkhio]

Ancestry is currently better at assigning Jewish ancestry if you do in fact have it. It's not necessarily better at the reverse though. Ancestry also has better raw data and has Genetic Communities, which are based on IBD sharing and tend to be very accurate.

they are all American immigrant communities afaik.
Eastern Europeans get the wrong ones or none at all.

[Pine]

AncestryDNA give me wrong genetic communities

23andme give the right ones, in order too

23andMe assigns Genetic Communties?

[Pine]

they are all American immigrant communities afaik.
Eastern Europeans get the wrong ones or none at all.

I was assigned the correct old world communities.

[Pine]

There might be a small segment of assimilated Jewish genes in Southern Finland. I saw a few "Jewish" Y-DNA markers among the Swedish-speaking group at least. They might come from Sweden too since a few Swedes carry J clades. Then again, that might also be from a proxy via Jewish ancestors. If he is from Southwestern Finland, he could have J clades in his genealogy or even be J himself (unlikely from what I have seen)

Are you talking about the J1 in Finland?

[Östsvensk]

Are you talking about the J1 in Finland?

Yes, and J2.

J-ZS10780 (J1a3)
J-M172 (J2)
J-L26 (J2a1)
J-M172 (J2)
J-F313 (J2a1h2)

All carried by Swedish-speakers from Nyland. But apparently the last one is more common among Arabs and Armenians than Jews, so perhaps I rest my case... nevertheless, the J findings are surprising.

[Freeroostah]

23andme of course
MyHeritage is more like a parody lol

[Pine]

Yes, and J2.

J-ZS10780 (J1a3)
J-M172 (J2)
J-L26 (J2a1)
J-M172 (J2)
J-F313 (J2a1h2)

All carried by Swedish-speakers from Nyland. But apparently the last one is more common among Arabs and Armenians than Jews, so perhaps I rest my case... nevertheless, the J findings are surprising.

Haven't heard of this one among Jews: J-ZS10780 (J1a3), but I could check more carefully.

From YFull alone, it looks like it might've had the following path: Phoenicians>Maltese>Germans>Finns

There are Jews with J-L25. Some potentially near Swedes on J-L25.

As for these ones:
J-M172 (J2)
J-L26 (J2a1)
J-M172 (J2)

They're too general and far back to comment on. It is interesting that they're all found in one area.

[Östsvensk]

Haven't heard of this one among Jews: J-ZS10780 (J1a3), but I could check more carefully.

From YFull alone, it looks like it might've had the following path: Phoenicians>Maltese>Germans>Finns

There are Jews with J-L25. Some potentially near Swedes on J-L25.

As for these ones:
J-M172 (J2)
J-L26 (J2a1)
J-M172 (J2)

They're too general and far back to comment on. It is interesting that they're all found in one area.

Yes, it might have come from Germans. These Southern Finland-Swedes (historically from Finland Proper and Nyland) seem to have more German Y-DNA input than Swedish, as they have many more R1 clades than I1 and even less so non-Finnish I1.

[Methuselah]

Not a single Karaite is Mongloid. I've seen DNA results for Crimean Karaites, Iraqi Karaites, and Egyptian Karaites. This just demonstrates why all that taxonomy shit is utter nonsense. I've researched Crimean Karaites a lot and Krymchaks - none of them look Turkic. Coon was just swayed by them speaking a Turkic language, like a typical moron from TheApricity. The Crimean Karaites scored <1% East Asian and 0 Central Asian.
There are Jews with Turkic vibes. Not like they look purely Turkish. Look at Bob Dylan for instance, who actually has some Turkish Jewish ancestry as well. But duh, some Jews can have that. Anyway i have seen Karaite Jews who look like Bob Dylan.

I think you are not the only one who has researched Karaites. http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/karaites.html

Some people of Karaite Jewish descent.
IMG]https://i.ibb.co/Jk3XTHp/7d887f57-ff25-499b-92ed-94a37a195fdc.jpg[/IMG]
https://i.ibb.co/vwYTD6d/0040f200-8575-41b9-a7c8-0c6931990b84.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NTDyJCW/ed70b69d-704f-474f-b310-cc2fae9ffacb.jpg

Is this some mythical bullshit or have you traced Karaite ancestry? Where is the Karaite ancestry from?
Yeah, go ahead and tell me what i have and don't have. I do have some Jewish roots from Ukraine and Poland. Those who are supposed to be of Karaite Jewish origin lived in Ukraine. I don't know what Talmud has to do with this. Again, i don't know what i inherit myself from my grandparents. I will know better later. Assuming DNA tests make any sense.

[Pine]

There are Jews with Turkic vibes. Not like they look purely Turkish. Look at Bob Dylan for instance, who actually has some Turkish Jewish ancestry as well. But duh, some Jews can have that. Anyway i have seen Karaite Jews who look like Bob Dylan.

Turkish Jews don't have Turkic admixture. There are plenty of samples on them. How Bob Dylan looks to you is neither here, nor there.




I think you are not the only one who has researched Karaites. http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/karaites.html



The guy who runs that site will tell you there is no evidence for Turkic ancestry in them.



Yeah, go ahead and tell me what i have and don't have. I do have some Jewish roots from Ukraine and Poland. Those who are supposed to be of Karaite Jewish origin lived in Ukraine. I don't know what Talmud has to do with this. Again, i don't know what i inherit myself from my grandparents. I will know better later. Assuming DNA tests make any sense.

Let's say you have Jewish ancestry from Poland and Ukraine. What makes you think your ancestors were Karaites?

[Methuselah]

if you want to have a lot of matches, ancestrydna. if you want better ethnicity results, 23andme.thank you gorgeous.
turkish jews don't have turkic admixture. there are plenty of samples on them. how bob dylan looks to you is neither here, nor there.are you sure about this? how many samples have you seen? but i'm ready to change my mind on this, since you know more obviously. antropology is not helpful here at all, i would say, so yeah, it doesn't matter what people said about karaims decades ago. bob like some other jews does have mongoloid vibes. it might come from finnish or russian roots of his (if he is mixed with them). or it can come from turkish tribes. or it might just be part of his look and he is not mongoloid influenced at all (genetically). either way not only can jews look a bit turkish but they can look almost egyptian like drake, because of mixing. but this is another case indeed. we don't know about bob's family and judging by looks is stretching things quite a bit, i agree on this.
the guy who runs that site will tell you there is no evidence for turkic ancestry in them.the guy who runs the site wrote this "overall, east european karaites are largely a middle eastern people descended from the israelites, but like other jewish populations they are a mosaic - the descendants of several ethnic groups that joined this specific stream of judaism during different periods. aside from their israelite component, our dna study has led us to conclude that they also descend in part from ethnic groups that lived in the byzantine empire and in asia. they may have small amounts of western european and caucasus region ancestries (the byzantine empire at times included portions of those regions)."
let's say you have jewish ancestry from poland and ukraine. what makes you think your ancestors were karaites?Because of other Karaims who had stronger Jewish links (these people weren't religious really). But they were related to other Karaims and had Jewish surnames too. Again, i don't know things for sure and might be better informed after doing a DNA test.

[Östsvensk]

either way not only can jews look a bit turkish but they can look almost egyptian like drake, because of mixing.

Drake is half black, so he is hardly a representative specimen for Jews, lol. Although I guess that according to rabbinic law, he is fully Jewish.

[Methuselah]

drake is half black, so he is hardly a representative specimen for jews, lol. although i guess that according to rabbinic law, he is fully jewish.

Yeah, he is half African American, the reason i wrote "because of mixing" while mentioning him. Mongoloid influenced Jews are not the best representative of Jews either, on the other hand they are usually white so yeah, they are just Ashkenazi Jews for many people. And i'm not saying that Karaims are Mongoloid looking here. Haven't seen many of them.

Modern people are mixes of all kind of things really. Jews can look very different. What is the best representative of Jews? Epstein? Einstein? Young Einstein looking Post Malone? Mizrahi Jews maybe? All people are individuals and have different looks.

[Östsvensk]

Yeah, he is half African American, the reason i wrote "because of mixing" while mentioning him. Mongoloid influenced Jews are not the best representative of Jews either, on the other hand they are usually white so yeah, they are just Ashkenazi Jews for many people. And i'm not saying that Karaims are Mongoloid looking here. Haven't seen many of them.

Modern people are mixes of all kind of things really. Jews can look very different. What is the best representative of Jews? Epstein? Einstein? Young Einstein looking Post Malone? Mizrahi Jews maybe? All people are individuals and have different looks.

Probably Samaritans since they have been isolated and never mixed with anyone else as far as I know. Then the Mizrahim who probably look like how scientists believe Jesus looked like:

https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/c72f68b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/0x0+0+0/resize/1280x720!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsharing.abc2news.com%2Fsharewrt v%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F12%2F15%2Fjesus_1450203423078_2 8413738_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

Ashkenazim and Sephardic Jews have European admixture.

[Methuselah]

Probably Samaritans since they have been isolated and never mixed with anyone else as far as I know. Then the Mizrahim who probably look like how scientists believe Jesus looked like:

https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/c72f68b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/0x0+0+0/resize/1280x720!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsharing.abc2news.com%2Fsharewrt v%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F12%2F15%2Fjesus_1450203423078_2 8413738_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

Ashkenazim and Sephardic Jews have European admixture.

Some said that Mountain Jews remind original Jews, but who knows.

I wouldn't put my money on that Jesus. Some Lebanese or Palestinian look would do probably. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasri_(musician) But what do i know. Just guessing.

P.S. Actually that Jesus looks like one Palestinian American DJ, DJ Khaleed.

[Leto]

I wouldn't put my money on that Jesus. Some Lebanese or Palestinian look would do probably. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasri_(musician) But what do i know. Just guessing.

Someone told me Tony Nasri is a good example of a Levantine look.
Interestingly his son with German singer Sandy Mölling would plot somewhere in Southern Europe, around Rome or Athens, probably. Ignore the mulatto boy, it's her other son from a black man.
https://image.gala.de/21357298/uncropped-0-0/df40cd33b306809710085d461614ac92/qz/sandy-moelling-nasri-atweh.jpg
https://content4.promiflash.de/article-images/cinema450/sandy-mit-ihrer-familie.jpg

[Pine]

thank you gorgeous.are you sure about this? how many samples have you seen? but i'm ready to change my mind on this, since you know more obviously. antropology is not helpful here at all, i would say, so yeah, it doesn't matter what people said about karaims decades ago. bob like some other jews does have mongoloid vibes. it might come from finnish or russian roots of his (if he is mixed with them). or it can come from turkish tribes. or it might just be part of his look and he is not mongoloid influenced at all (genetically). either way not only can jews look a bit turkish but they can look almost egyptian like drake, because of mixing. but this is another case indeed. we don't know about bob's family and judging by looks is stretching things quite a bit, i agree on this.the guy who runs the site wrote this "overall, east european karaites are largely a middle eastern people descended from the israelites, but like other jewish populations they are a mosaic - the descendants of several ethnic groups that joined this specific stream of judaism during different periods. aside from their israelite component, our dna study has led us to conclude that they also descend in part from ethnic groups that lived in the byzantine empire and in asia. they may have small amounts of western european and caucasus region ancestries (the byzantine empire at times included portions of those regions)."Because of other Karaims who had stronger Jewish links (these people weren't religious really). But they were related to other Karaims and had Jewish surnames too. Again, i don't know things for sure and might be better informed after doing a DNA test.

How many samples? Probably seen around 10 23andMes, calculator results etc. The Sephardic G25 sample is based on Turkish Jews and maybe also Bulgarian and Greek Jews. I've also seen 23andMes from Crimean Karaites. Jews, in particular, Ashkenazim, do have East Asian admixture. I have 1.5-3% of it, which is very high. All the research on it points to China and not Central Asia, while mine comes out as Southeast Asian.

Yes, "Caucasus region ancestries" - that's not Turkic.

I reread this 3 times and it still makes no sense:


"Because of other Karaims who had stronger Jewish links (these people weren't religious really). But they were related to other Karaims and had Jewish surnames too.

[Methuselah]

How many samples? Probably seen around 10 23andMes, calculator results etc. The Sephardic G25 sample is based on Turkish Jews and maybe also Bulgarian and Greek Jews. I've also seen 23andMes from Crimean Karaites. Jews, in particular, Ashkenazim, do have East Asian admixture. I have 1.5-3% of it, which is very high. All the research on it points to China and not Central Asia, while mine comes out as Southeast Asian.

Yes, "Caucasus region ancestries" - that's not Turkic.

I reread this 3 times and it still makes no sense:

I never made any strong claims about Turkic admixture in Jews.

It makes no sense that people in my family tree are related to Ukrainian Karaims? What i'm trying to say is that they didn't have strong Jewish identity, but had Karaim cousins and Jewish names. They were converts probably.

[Pine]

I never made any strong claims about Turkic admixture in Jews.

It makes no sense that people in my family tree are related to Ukrainian Karaims? What i'm trying to say is that they didn't have strong Jewish identity, but had Karaim cousins and Jewish names. They were converts probably.

I don't get it. Are you saying that the ancestors you traced yourself to had Karaite cousins? How does "They were converts probably" play into this?

[Methuselah]

I don't get it. Are you saying that the ancestors you traced yourself to had Karaite cousins? How does "They were converts probably" play into this?

You asked me how do i know they were of Karaim descent, even if they had Jewish roots. I answered you that they were related to other Karaims because of the family tree research and simply interracting with other Karaim cousins. Many of these people knew they were of Karaim descent but didn't live up to Karaim faith or Jewish faith particularly. Some of them converted to Christianity, some were irreligious or just had random theist views. Again, i will know a little better after DNA testing my family.

I'm gonna order a 23andme kit. You said ancestry has better jewdar but i put my trust in 23andme.

[Pine]

You asked me how do i know they were of Karaim descent, even if they had Jewish roots. I answered you that they were related to other Karaims because of the family tree research and simply interracting with other Karaim cousins. Many of these people knew they were of Karaim descent but didn't live up to Karaim faith or Jewish faith particularly. Some of them converted to Christianity, some were irreligious or just had random theist views. Again, i will know a little better after DNA testing my family.

I'm gonna order a 23andme kit. You said ancestry has better jewdar but i put my trust in 23andme.

You realize that Crimean Karaites barely exist, right? I'm lucky to know someone who has met one. I'm unfamiliar with any of them converting to Christianity and/or intermarrying prior to the Soviet Union. Wikipedia estimates 2500 remain around the world, but I'm betting that includes mixed people. Also, they score 0-1% Ashkenazi on 23andMe.

[Nazarene]

Good choice OP

[Östsvensk]

Too bad if you ordered a kit right now when Black Friday is up... although it is not for certain if 23andme will do a Black Friday sale, but they did last year.

[Methuselah]

You realize that Crimean Karaites barely exist, right? I'm lucky to know someone who has met one. I'm unfamiliar with any of them converting to Christianity and/or intermarrying prior to the Soviet Union. Wikipedia estimates 2500 remain around the world, but I'm betting that includes mixed people. Also, they score 0-1% Ashkenazi on 23andMe.
What do they score on 23andMe?

Too bad if you ordered a kit right now when Black Friday is up... although it is not for certain if 23andme will do a Black Friday sale, but they did last year.
Haven't ordered any kits yet. They already have good deals for Europeans right now but i'm waiting for some Christmas stuff. It's not gonna come probably, so i should just order a kit and stop worrying about saving money.

[Östsvensk]

What do they score on 23andMe?

Haven't ordered any kits yet. They already have good deals for Europeans right now but i'm waiting for some Christmas stuff. It's not gonna come probably, so i should just order a kit and stop worrying about saving money.

Yeah, it is 79€ for Ancestry + Traits now, but last year it was even lowered to $59 and $49 each for two kits on Black Friday, at least in the US.

FTDNA was just $39 for Family Finder last year. :p

[Pine]

What do they score on 23andMe?



I'm not at liberty to post their results, but they're heavily Middle Eastern, very little Ashkenazi.

[Bakha]

Why is that even a question lol

[Methuselah]

Why is that even a question lol

Well, some prefer Ancestry...

[RandomGuy20]

23 and me

[RandomGuy20]

Well, some prefer Ancestry...

Ancestry is great for those with UK heritage, for the rest of European ethnicity not so much. 23 and me also picks up on the smaller percentages that Ancestry doesn't.

[Art23]

23&me is overrated, their country and region prediction is a farce, in my opinion. Let me guess, for over 90% of Americans they give Greater London as region in UK. :icon_lol: Regions in Ukraine are wrong for me. And I don't understand why they give me Russia, no known ancestors there for hundreds of years at least. Then 0 point something Ashkenazi, North African. That's nonsense.

[Östsvensk]

23&me is overrated, their country and region prediction is a farce, in my opinion. Let me guess, for over 90% of Americans they give Greater London as region in UK. :icon_lol: Regions in Ukraine are wrong for me. And I don't understand why they give me Russia, no known ancestors there for hundreds of years at least. Then 0 point something Ashkenazi, North African. That's nonsense.

Generally, 23andme has a better ancestry painting than AncestryDNA though. At least for non-Americans and non-Brits. That is pretty much a consensus from what I have seen.

[Methuselah]

23&me is overrated, their country and region prediction is a farce, in my opinion. Let me guess, for over 90% of Americans they give Greater London as region in UK. :icon_lol: Regions in Ukraine are wrong for me. And I don't understand why they give me Russia, no known ancestors there for hundreds of years at least. Then 0 point something Ashkenazi, North African. That's nonsense.

Didn't quite get your last thing. Were you supposed to have Jewish roots in you?

[Art23]

Didn't quite get your last thing. Were you supposed to have Jewish roots in you?

No, I am sure I have no Jewish roots. But you see, 23&me likes to give 0.1% this, 0.2% that. Don't be surprised if you get such small unrealistic percentages. Neither MyHeritage, nor Ancestry give such small random percentages.

[Art23]

Generally, 23andme has a better ancestry painting than AncestryDNA though.

Ancestry doesn't give regions or countries, so results can seem broad, but they are accurate, at least for me and other Eastern Europeans. 23&me pretends to be detailed, but there they make a lot of mistakes with their countries' and regions' predictions.

[Östsvensk]

Ancestry doesn't give regions or countries, so results can seem broad, but they are accurate, at least for me and other Eastern Europeans. 23&me pretends to be detailed, but there they make a lot of mistakes with their countries' and regions' predictions.

Most who have tested with both were more content with what 23andme said and felt that AncestryDNA was "off". AncestryDNA doesn't even have Denmark for the Scandinavia regions, and all Swedes would get like 30% Norwegian (although they have updated for the Nordic countries recently). In all fairness, it is hard to distinguish between Swedish and Norwegian genes, but AncestryDNA is supposed to be able to pinpoint exact regions.

Not trying to be biased, the ancestry painting is really the only advantage that 23andme has over AncestryDNA, as 23andme provides somewhat inferior raw data. 23andme also gives haplogroups of course, but Y-DNA can be extracted from an Ancestry test via tools, and 23andme doesn't really do deep testing of Y-DNA clades either.

As for the OP who asked me about my results in the rep comment, I haven't received mine yet.

[Methuselah]

Most who have tested with both were more content with what 23andme said and felt that AncestryDNA was "off". AncestryDNA doesn't even have Denmark for the Scandinavia regions, and all Swedes would get like 30% Norwegian (although they have updated for the Nordic countries recently). In all fairness, it is hard to distinguish between Swedish and Norwegian genes, but AncestryDNA is supposed to be able to pinpoint exact regions.

Not trying to be biased, the ancestry painting is really the only advantage that 23andme has over AncestryDNA, as 23andme provides somewhat inferior raw data. 23andme also gives haplogroups of course, but Y-DNA can be extracted from an Ancestry test via tools, and 23andme doesn't really do deep testing of Y-DNA clades either.

As for the OP who asked me about my results in the rep comment, I haven't received mine yet.

So it's between 23andMe and Ancestry, just as i thought.

I wonder how popular this thing is these days https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/ Remember people writing something about Bono. It was back then. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/u2-star-enjoys-a-different-sort-of-homecoming-26332351.html

[Art23]

As for the OP who asked me about my results in the rep comment, I haven't received mine yet.

Not sure if 23&me is good for eastern Sweden.

P.S. No Caucasus for me on 23&me, just small Italian, Ashkenazi, NW European, North African... 23&me is entertaining,I gotta admit that.

[Östsvensk]

So it's between 23andMe and Ancestry, just as i thought.

I wonder how popular this thing is these days https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/ Remember people writing something about Bono. It was back then. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/u2-star-enjoys-a-different-sort-of-homecoming-26332351.html

National Geographic stopped selling their test in 2018 or earlier this year, I think. It wasn't available when I looked recently.


Not sure if 23&me is good for eastern Sweden.

P.S. No Caucasus for me on 23&me, just small Italian, Ashkenazi, NW European, North African... 23&me is entertaining,I gotta admit that.

Well, AncestryDNA seems to (unless it was a "typo") locate Uppland which is in eastern Sweden as a part of northern Sweden. :D

Most Southern Swedes on Reddit said that 23andme could pinpoint their actual genealogy with fair accuracy. A few Northern Swedes get a large chunk of Finnish, which is not off, but there was a Swedish girl who had ancestry from Northern Ostrobothnia out of all places. Most Finns who have gone too Sweden historically were Savonians and Karelians as far as I know, but some in the north could have come recently from the other side of the border that is northern Finland, I guess.

[Art23]

Most Southern Swedes on Reddit said that 23andme could pinpoint their actual genealogy with fair accuracy. A few Northern Swedes get a large chunk of Finnish, which is not off, but there was a Swedish girl who had ancestry from Northern Ostrobothnia out of all places. Most Finns who have gone too Sweden historically were Savonians and Karelians as far as I know, but some in the north could have come recently from the other side of the border that is northern Finland, I guess.

I suppose there are quite many with Finnish ancestry around Stockholm. Regarding northern Sweden, it is possible that Saami ancestry is often confused with Finnish, since there is no separate category for Saami people.

[Leto]

National Geographic stopped selling their test in 2018 or earlier this year, I think. It wasn't available when I looked recently.



Well, AncestryDNA seems to (unless it was a "typo") locate Uppland which is in eastern Sweden as a part of northern Sweden. :D

Most Southern Swedes on Reddit said that 23andme could pinpoint their actual genealogy with fair accuracy. A few Northern Swedes get a large chunk of Finnish, which is not off, but there was a Swedish girl who had ancestry from Northern Ostrobothnia out of all places. Most Finns who have gone too Sweden historically were Savonians and Karelians as far as I know, but some in the north could have come recently from the other side of the border that is northern Finland, I guess.
I didn't know most Finns in Sweden were Eastern Finns. 70% of the population or a close figure live in Southern, Southwestern and Western Finland. Eastern Finns are the most East Eurasian in Finland, Southwestern ones should be the least. Do you think Svealand as a whole has noticeable Finnic admixture?

[Östsvensk]

I didn't know most Finns in Sweden were Eastern Finns. 70% of the population or a close figure live in Southern, Southwestern and Western Finland. Eastern Finns are the most East Eurasian in Finland, Southwestern ones should be the least. Do you think Svealand as a whole has noticeable Finnic admixture?

There is definitely some Finnic admixture in the regions where the Forest Finns settled, namely Värmland, Dalarna and nearby. Also in northern Sweden, although they are a minority of Swedes.

North Swedes:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.53
2 Baltic 37.61
3 West_Med 9.42
4 East_Med 2.67
5 West_Asian 2.39
6 Siberian 2.16
7 South_Asian 1.65
8 Red_Sea 0.77
9 East_Asian 0.64
10 Sub-Saharan 0.42
11 Northeast_African 0.28
12 Oceanian 0.25
13 Amerindian 0.23

Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 4.01
2 Southwest_Finnish 7.12
3 Swedish 8.97
4 East_German 9.13
5 Austrian 11.34
6 North_German 11.4
7 South_Polish 11.42
8 Norwegian 12.08
9 Polish 12.45
10 Hungarian 12.76
11 Danish 12.77
12 Finnish 12.88
13 North_Dutch 13.21
14 Ukrainian 13.95
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.96
16 Estonian 14.2
17 Orcadian 14.97
18 Belorussian 15.18
19 Croatian 15.45
20 Russian_Smolensk 15.5

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.49
2 Baltic 35.86
3 West_Med 11.95
4 West_Asian 2.31
5 South_Asian 2.09
6 Siberian 1.87
7 East_Asian 1.12
8 East_Med 1.08
9 Sub-Saharan 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.43
11 Red_Sea 0.35

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 5.06
2 Swedish 7.84
3 East_German 8.56
4 Southwest_Finnish 9.6
5 North_German 10.25
6 Norwegian 10.72
7 Austrian 10.82
8 Danish 11.36
9 North_Dutch 11.71
10 South_Polish 13.06
11 Orcadian 13.1
12 Hungarian 13.28
13 Southeast_English 14.06
14 Irish 14.16
15 Polish 14.24
16 South_Dutch 14.29
17 West_German 14.46
18 West_Scottish 14.9
19 Finnish 15.3
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.32

From Dalarna:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.76
2 Baltic 36.81
3 West_Med 9.91
4 Siberian 3.35
5 West_Asian 1.95
6 East_Med 1.75
7 South_Asian 1.04
8 Amerindian 0.92
9 East_Asian 0.7
10 Red_Sea 0.52
11 Oceanian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 3.15
2 Southwest_Finnish 7.67
3 Swedish 8.16
4 East_German 9.87
5 North_German 11
6 Norwegian 11.11
7 Austrian 11.96
8 Danish 12.08
9 North_Dutch 12.42
10 South_Polish 13.03
11 Finnish 13.61
12 Hungarian 13.74
13 Orcadian 13.94
14 Polish 14.02
15 Irish 15.06
16 Southeast_English 15.08
17 Estonian 15.22
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.38
19 Ukrainian 15.39
20 South_Dutch 15.52

Compare with a woman who is half East Finn and half British:

Population
North_Atlantic 42.75
Baltic 32.04
West_Med 11.52
West_Asian 3.73
East_Med 0.29
Red_Sea 1.02
South_Asian 1.97
East_Asian 1.22
Siberian 2.89
Amerindian 0.59
Oceanian 1.05
Northeast_African 0.88
Sub-Saharan 0.06

#Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 5.82
2 Swedish 6.34
3 North_German 8
4 East_German 8.55
5 Norwegian 8.89
6 Danish 9.24
7 North_Dutch 9.51
8 Austrian 10.12
9 Orcadian 10.66
10 Irish 11.69
11 Southeast_English 11.84
12 South_Dutch 11.92
13 Southwest_Finnish 12.06
14 West_German 12.12
15 West_Scottish 12.46
16 Southwest_English 13
17 Hungarian 13.14
18 South_Polish 15.08
19 Polish 16.68
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.9

Very similar overall.

[Leto]

Huge Baltic, over 35%! British and Irish people score only 20-25%.

[Östsvensk]

Art23 mentioned that 23andme do not differ between Finnish and Saami, and I believe I have seen such cases, yes.


Huge Baltic, over 35%! British and Irish people score only 20-25%.

South Swedes from the province of Götaland (who don't have Finnish ancestry) score in between 25-30%:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.87
2 Baltic 26.79
3 West_Med 12.57
4 West_Asian 2.5
5 East_Med 2
6 South_Asian 1.48
7 Northeast_African 1.02
8 Oceanian 0.69
9 Siberian 0.66
10 Amerindian 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 3.34
2 North_Dutch 3.94
3 Danish 4.12
4 Norwegian 4.37
5 Irish 4.45
6 West_Scottish 4.46
7 Southeast_English 4.91
8 Southwest_English 5.42
9 Swedish 6.3
10 North_German 6.5
11 South_Dutch 9.92
12 West_German 11.07
13 North_Swedish 11.98
14 East_German 14.54
15 Austrian 14.89
16 French 15.35
17 Hungarian 19.35
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.01
19 Spanish_Cataluna 22.11
20 Southwest_French 22.57

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.26
2 Baltic 27.94
3 West_Med 11.09
4 West_Asian 3.82
5 East_Med 1.93
6 Amerindian 1.18
7 Oceanian 0.6
8 Sub-Saharan 0.49
9 Siberian 0.47
10 Northeast_African 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian 2.44
2 North_Dutch 3.23
3 Danish 3.79
4 Orcadian 3.9
5 Irish 4.51
6 West_Scottish 4.78
7 Swedish 4.89
8 Southeast_English 5.97
9 North_German 5.98
10 Southwest_English 6.67
11 South_Dutch 10.84
12 North_Swedish 11.04
13 West_German 11.74
14 East_German 14.63
15 Austrian 15.02
16 French 16.59
17 Southwest_Finnish 19.24
18 Hungarian 19.29
19 South_Polish 22.98
20 Spanish_Cataluna 23.61

Uppsala, eastern Sweden, part of Svealand:

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.49
2 Baltic 35.86
3 West_Med 11.95
4 West_Asian 2.31
5 South_Asian 2.09
6 Siberian 1.87
7 East_Asian 1.12
8 East_Med 1.08
9 Sub-Saharan 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.43
11 Red_Sea 0.35

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 5.06
2 Swedish 7.84
3 East_German 8.56
4 Southwest_Finnish 9.6
5 North_German 10.25
6 Norwegian 10.72
7 Austrian 10.82
8 Danish 11.36
9 North_Dutch 11.71
10 South_Polish 13.06
11 Orcadian 13.1
12 Hungarian 13.28
13 Southeast_English 14.06
14 Irish 14.16
15 Polish 14.24
16 South_Dutch 14.29
17 West_German 14.46
18 West_Scottish 14.9
19 Finnish 15.3
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.32

[Östsvensk]

Lol, AncestryDNA just started having a €59 Black Friday sale on Monday. Their previous discount was €74 and they said that the sale would run out on Sunday. That was a bit low to be honest. Now, I do not know if I should advice against Ancestry or recommend grabbing it on their sale to hopefully make less profit... :D

[lacreme]

Is MyHeritage a good enough "beginners" choice if one is only interested in raw data ? A friend of mine considers it as a first step before going for better and pricier kits in the future and I'm thinking that for 49 euros that's currently offered it won't hurt too much even if the results are average.

P.S. He is fully Greek with no known ancestors outside of greek proper populations (meaning no pontic,cappadocian or cypriot greek )

[Östsvensk]

Is MyHeritage a good enough "beginners" choice if one is only interested in raw data ? A friend of mine considers it as a first step before going for better and pricier kits in the future and I'm thinking that for 49 euros that's currently offered it won't hurt too much even if the results are average.

P.S. He is fully Greek with no known ancestors outside of greek proper populations (meaning no pontic,cappadocian or cypriot greek )

AncestryDNA is currently just €59, but MyHeritage may be quicker to give your results. Ancestry is better quality, though. 23andme is currently on a huge sale and claims that you can expect your results in 2-3 weeks, but I am highly skeptical of that, lol.

[lacreme]

AncestryDNA is currently just €59, but MyHeritage may be quicker to give your results. Ancestry is better quality, though. 23andme is currently on a huge sale and claims that you can expect your results in 2-3 weeks, but I am highly skeptical of that, lol.

AncestryDna for 59 ? That's strange...for me it shows 99

EDIT
I just found out that they have regional prices (for example from the german page is 69 euros ).
That sucks...for me at least being located in Greece is available from the main, .com page and for 99 euros

[Methuselah]

Lol, AncestryDNA just started having a €59 Black Friday sale on Monday. Their previous discount was €74 and they said that the sale would run out on Sunday. That was a bit low to be honest. Now, I do not know if I should advice against Ancestry or recommend grabbing it on their sale to hopefully make less profit... :D
Are you sure it's in euros, the discount i mean? Is it showing 59 e for Swedes? Either way MyHeritage is using the same tactics as some Kebab shop owners. Every day is a discount day. Actually here the discount is ending all the time, but in reality it's pretty much never ending.

Is MyHeritage a good enough "beginners" choice if one is only interested in raw data ? A friend of mine considers it as a first step before going for better and pricier kits in the future and I'm thinking that for 49 euros that's currently offered it won't hurt too much even if the results are average.

P.S. He is fully Greek with no known ancestors outside of greek proper populations (meaning no pontic,cappadocian or cypriot greek )
23andMe is offering a good deal for ancestry+ health kit. Ending december 2. They will not continue their discounts like some other companies. Unless they turn some Christmas mode on.

[Östsvensk]

Are you sure it's in euros, the discount i mean? Is it showing 59 e for Swedes? Either way MyHeritage is using the same tactics as some Kebab shop owners. Every day is a discount day. Actually here the discount is ending all the time, but in reality it's pretty much never ending.

23andMe is offering a good deal for ancestry+ health kit. Ending december 2. They will not continue their discounts like some other companies. Unless they turn some Christmas mode on.

It shows €59 and is offered during Black Friday week. Apparently it is only in Sweden, though. Living DNA is €69 and they're at least better than MyHeritage.

[Leto]

@shlömö, have you ordered a kit yet?

[Methuselah]

@shlömö, have you ordered a kit yet?

Not yet.

[lacreme]

In the end my friend chose MyHeritage (couldn't afford anything pricier right now ) ...
Oh well, at least he intends to try better kits too in the future.

btw he is this guy
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279792-Classify-and-place-a-Greek-young-adult
While his phenotype is somewhat atypical according to most of the answers, his genetic results should be close to how a mixed (north) Peloponnesian+Islander would score.

[Ratmir]

Finally ordering a DNA kit. Which one is better?
Hi everyone. I’m new here and to be honest, I’m not a big fan of online discussions, at least don’t feel like posting much myself but I do find some of the threads here pretty interesting. I’m interested in ordering a DNA test myself, perhaps in early 2020. Is MyHeritage releasing an update of their algorithm before the end of this year? Thanks.

[Pine]

Hi everyone. I’m new here and to be honest, I’m not a big fan of online discussions, at least don’t feel like posting much myself but I do find some of the threads here pretty interesting. I’m interested in ordering a DNA test myself, perhaps in early 2020. Is MyHeritage releasing an update of their algorithm before the end of this year? Thanks.

No confirmation that they are.

[Ratmir]

No confirmation that they are.
Okay. I think it’s going to happen anyway, maybe next year. At the end of the day it’s a commercial product.

[RenaRyuguu]

if you are a euro mutt like me myheritage is better at plotting your precise regions. It's the only test that scored me as 30% scando like 23andme plots that as Polish

[SouthDutch7991]

I'm going to break the pattern here and say Ancestry, simply for the fact that they have a larger userbase and so you'll have a higher chance to get more meaningful matches. Matching people and using segment Sudoku to compliment traditional genealogical research is a much more reliable, and more informative way to work out your genetic ancestry. I've gotten more use from the records and matches on Ancestry than any websites "ethnicity calculator".