Is Pontid more like Eastern Gracile Med or More like Eastern Atlanto-Med?

[Daos777]

Coon said they looked like they were related to atlanto-Meds on one hand but also to Iranic phenotypes. I’ve seen people who look like this all over Moldova and Ukraine. Never in the Balkans or Turkey. So this phenotype would only be present around North Caucasus, Ukraine, Moldova, parts of Central Asia. Aka Scythian Phenotype.

What did the other writers say about Pontid?

[QAZAQ]

Coon said they looked like they were related to atlanto-Meds on one hand but also to Iranic phenotypes. I’ve seen people who look like this all over Moldova and Ukraine. Never in the Balkans or Turkey. So this phenotype would only be present around North Caucasus, Ukraine, Moldova, parts of Central Asia. Aka Scythian Phenotype.

What did the other writers say about Pontid?

Most common Pure Pontids from South East Bulgaria. Pure Pontids from South Ukraine, South Russian and Moldova is less >5-8% of population

P.S in central Asia does not exist this phenotype

[chociprasa]

Eastern Gracile Med.

[Daos777]

Eastern Gracile Med.

Based on what writer can you post links?


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[chociprasa]

Based on what writer can you post links?


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I don't have any literature or online material to refer you to, as I haven't read into physical anthropology for a while now. But I can tell you that to sum it up, you could say that Pontid is an unmixed East Med, while Atlanto-Med is West Med + Nordid and CM.

[Voyt]

Atlanto Med = 75% Med + 25% Nordid

Pontid = eastern Med

North Pontid = 50% eastern Med + 50% Nordid (or 50% Baltid)

[Jana]

Pontid is metrically identical to Atlanto-Med, but with different ''vibe''.

[chociprasa]

Atlanto Med = 75% Med + 25% Nordid

Pontid = eastern Med

North Pontid = 50% eastern Med + 50% Nordid (or 50% Baltid)

North Pontid is Pontid + East Nordid, Baltid is a CM type without any Nordid admixture like Borreby, Faelid etc.

[Daos777]

I don't have any literature or online material to refer you to, as I haven't read into physical anthropology for a while now. But I can tell you that to sum it up, you could say that Pontid is an unmixed East Med, while Atlanto-Med is West Med + Nordid and CM.

But East med label is generic as fuck and doesn’t say anything about what Pontid should look like. East med includes robust Iranid, Armenoid, and Anatolid and all of those look quite different and vary in robustness and height as well.


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[Oghuz]

I never understood difference between Pontids and Iranids. To my understanding, the only difference is in soft tissue proportions and eye lids. Meausrements otherwise are same or very close.

[ixulescu]

Pontid can go quite East Med, while North Pontid can produce Nordid head shapes

[Voyt]

North Pontid is Pontid + East Nordid, Baltid is a CM type without any Nordid admixture like Borreby, Faelid etc.

My understanding is that they are a product of Borreby types who were Lappized (and anyway borreby types run all the way to the Baltics: http://humanphenotypes.net/Borreby.html )

The reason North Pontids could feasibly be 50% Baltid is if they retain the dolichocephaly of the pontids




But East med label is generic as fuck and doesn’t say anything about what Pontid should look like. East med includes robust Iranid, Armenoid, and Anatolid and all of those look quite different and vary in robustness and height as well.


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Armenid and Anatolid are not a med type

Iranids, Syrids, and Arabids are desert-climate meds, yes: http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Orientalid.html

Iranids have more bronze-age Andronovo ancestry though

[archangel]

Atlanto Meds

[chociprasa]

My understanding is that they are a product of Borreby types who were Lappized (and anyway borreby types run all the way to the Baltics: http://humanphenotypes.net/Borreby.html )

The reason North Pontids could feasibly be 50% Baltid is if they retain the dolichocephaly of the pontids





Armenid and Anatolid are not a med type

Iranids, Syrids, and Arabids are desert-climate meds, yes: http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Orientalid.html

Iranids have more neolithic Andronovo ancestry though

No, Baltid is a borealized East CM phenotype, that underwent a similar borealization as the Alpinids did. Borreby, on the other hand, could be described as a borealized Faelid. Baltid has no Lappid (more properly Lappanoid) admixture, it's the East Baltid (Savolaxid) that is Lappid-mixed. Baltid and East Baltid tend to get confused with one another many times, as the former often gets mistaken for having Lappid/Mongoloid admixture.

[archangel]

I never understood difference between Pontids and Iranids. To my understanding, the only difference is in soft tissue proportions and eye lids. Meausrements otherwise are same or very close.

Pontids look European or western in general whereas Iranids look MENA

[Daos777]

My understanding is that they are a product of Borreby types who were Lappized (and anyway borreby types run all the way to the Baltics: http://humanphenotypes.net/Borreby.html )

The reason North Pontids could feasibly be 50% Baltid is if they retain the dolichocephaly of the pontids





Armenid and Anatolid are not a med type

Iranids, Syrids, and Arabids are desert-climate meds, yes: http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Orientalid.html

Iranids have more bronze-age Andronovo ancestry though


Nvm misread
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[FinalFlash]

Pontids have always seemed like a more brachy and transitional type of Atlanto-Med to me.

[Oghuz]

here are some Iranids (Iranians) and Pontids (europeans)

IMO the real difference is convex nose of Iranid along with more droopy lower eye lid.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTkyNTIyMDYwOF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMTg0Mjk1MzE@._ V1_.jpg
https://dataphoto.sibnet.ru/upload/imgbig/132299203920.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Hamed_Haddadi_pregame.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-kXnUUe_pRjDtEZKbIieep1yE8AFMbkE0_3dFfyJWyTEhyyYjWg&s
https://www.vagabondjourney.com/photos/1111-kurdish-man-son-gobekli-tepe.JPG
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS12_4YS3ZPkGroh2Bq9GYkN4zkN2F3I 3g94MVtvL3FXQxkbHi6Eg&s
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/irans-forward-vahid-amiri-looks-on-before-the-russia-2018-world-cup-picture-id979552126?s=612x612
https://www.wikiseda.com/gallery/K/Kaveh%20Afagh/default/efd95644134e340b55a10dcda82c39de.jpg
https://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/000000264988-Marina_Theiss-modelprofileMainPicCropped.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/5954/Zefw6d.png
http://avadiplomatic.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNICEF-Goodwill-Ambassador-Mahtab-Keramati-asks-people-to-see-%E2%80%9CThe-Snowman%E2%80%9D-1.jpg
http://www.viralspell.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/100-9.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq851_iCUAEDXfR.jpg

[21993]

Pontid is East Med with very very slight Alpine influence. So, more like an Eastern version of Atlanto Med + very very slight Alpine.

[Dorian]

Pontid is East Med with very very slight Alpine influence. So, more like an Eastern version of Atlanto Med + very very slight Alpine.

Man why do you keep making up your own things instead of reading previous works? :picard1:

[Kraftwerk]

I never understood difference between Pontids and Iranids. To my understanding, the only difference is in soft tissue proportions and eye lids. Meausrements otherwise are same or very close.

Nose is also different. Iranid is also more angular, coarse faced.

[Voyt]

No, Baltid is a borealized East CM phenotype, that underwent a similar borealization as the Alpinids did. Borreby, on the other hand, could be described as a borealized Faelid. Baltid has no Lappid (more properly Lappanoid) admixture, it's the East Baltid (Savolaxid) that is Lappid-mixed. Baltid and East Baltid tend to get confused with one another many times, as the former often gets mistaken for having Lappid/Mongoloid admixture.

That makes more sense than that humanphenotypes site
I still think North Pontids can be part Baltid though, since Baltids and Nordids do share genes

[FinalFlash]

Man why do you keep making up your own things instead of reading previous works? :picard1:

Can Pontids be brachy?

[Dorian]

Can Pontids be brachy?

:lmao

[Kivan]

Pontid is a 100% Europoid Mediterranean type. It has nothing to do with Iranid or Alpinid.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe261.jpg

It looks more close to Atlanto-Med than to Gracile, by the way.

[FinalFlash]

:lmao

Yes? No? Maybe so? Lol

[Daos777]

Pontid is a 100% Europoid Mediterranean type. It has nothing to do with Iranid or Alpinid.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe261.jpg

It looks more close to Atlanto-Med than to Gracile, by the way.

Post the links that give that definition. Because you posted coons example picture but he said Pontid is half way related between atlanto-med and Iranid.