View Full Version : G25 Similarity Maps to Modern Europeans
ph2ter
11-16-2019, 04:03 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ATAYByH.png
https://i.imgur.com/aIjQpGI.png
https://i.imgur.com/opXIrXr.png
https://i.imgur.com/T0If4L4.png
https://i.imgur.com/mOBZcoR.png
https://i.imgur.com/Rxgswl5.png
https://i.imgur.com/jIwYfyC.png
https://i.imgur.com/yxJcGfC.png
https://i.imgur.com/VXcJVyZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/o2RHSfn.png
https://i.imgur.com/2dXsiQS.png
https://i.imgur.com/ot9ZaVM.png
https://i.imgur.com/TRFpqHN.png
https://i.imgur.com/ptF0eun.png
Kaspias
11-16-2019, 10:41 PM
Great work! If it is not a trouble for you, can you do for us?
Thracian,0.0099,0.0113,0.0007,-0.0019,0.0022,0,0.0019,0,-0.0009,0.0015,0.0008,-0.0013,-0.0015,0.0018,-0.0048,0.0068,0.01,0.0018,0.0048,0.0046,-0.0036,0.0041,-0.0006,0.0017,-0.0011
Kaspias,0.0091,0.0085,0.0035,-0.0034,-0.0008,-0.0035,0.0004,0.0022,-0.003,0.0005,0.0001,-0.0005,0.0016,-0.004,-0.0092,0.0102,0.0117,0.0012,0.0061,0.0035,-0.0039,-0.0002,0,0.0083,-0.0018
Deniz,0.01,0.0115,0.0061,-0.0014,0.0032,0.0004,0.0012,0.0051,-0.0013,-0.0032,0.0023,-0.0024,0.0008,0.0054,-0.0076,-0.0093,-0.0064,0.0002,0.0037,-0.0051,-0.0032,-0.003,-0.0047,-0.0004,0.0053
Cumansky
11-16-2019, 10:51 PM
This map proves there still no undisputed found Thracian sample. Look at the map. You can see Proto Villanovan, Bulgaria Iron Age, Croatia Iron Age is the Illyrian ancestors in the Illyrian lands
Coastal Elite
11-16-2019, 11:01 PM
Could you do it for me please? Thanks.
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DacoCeltic_scaled,0.133173,0.13405,0.043369,0.0226 1,0.028313,0.01004,0.00235,0.004384,0.002863,0.006 014,-0.00747,0.008243,-0.014123,-0.004542,0.004072,-0.000796,0.001043,-0.00076,0.006913,-0.002876,-0.001123,0.004699,0.005423,0.00976,-0.005628
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DacoCeltic,0.0117,0.0132,0.0115,0.007,0.0092,0.003 6,0.001,0.0019,0.0014,0.0033,-0.0046,0.0055,-0.0095,-0.0033,0.003,-0.0006,0.0008,-0.0006,0.0055,-0.0023,-0.0009,0.0038,0.0044,0.0081,-0.0047
Lucas
11-16-2019, 11:36 PM
Every Brit will get equally red British Isles, but is G25 problem, not ph2ter. For NW Euro mixed not better.
https://i.imgur.com/6m5faiH.png
Bessarion
11-17-2019, 10:56 AM
As usual,
Bojan_scaled,0.133173,0.127957,0.047517,0.026809,0 .030775,0.014223,0.005405,0.003,0.000205,-0.003645,-0.005359,-0.001349,0.002081,0.011423,-0.005836,-0.006497,0.001304,0.000887,0.005908,0.007504,0.010 107,-0.004328,-0.000863,0.00723,-0.002994
It is nice to see how good can one be when there is a passion for "hobby"...truly nice blending and fading, not just generic filling through regions.
Just hope there is not too much manual image editing.
WeirdLookingFellow
11-17-2019, 11:02 AM
Romanians: orange everything.
trebil
11-17-2019, 11:52 AM
...
Good job but northern Italy is not accurate given the lack of samples from Emilia-Romagna and Liguria (only one individual from Liguria in G25).
vbnetkhio
11-17-2019, 12:00 PM
This map proves there still no undisputed found Thracian sample. Look at the map. You can see Proto Villanovan, Bulgaria Iron Age, Croatia Iron Age is the Illyrian ancestors in the Illyrian lands
it's not ancestry. it's just similarity. that Thracian (probably a proto-Moesian) was similar to modern Tuscans, but not descended from them.
Calpurnius
11-17-2019, 02:34 PM
Nice looking ones. The shape of the map alone almost suggests me you are using R's maps library?
Gradient looks pretty smooth too, are you perhaps adding one population multiple times to cover poorly sampled countries, especially big ones?
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 04:44 PM
Every Brit will get equally red British Isles, but is G25 problem, not ph2ter. For NW Euro mixed not better.
https://i.imgur.com/6m5faiH.png
Are you saying that G25 is inaccurate?
ph2ter
11-17-2019, 04:51 PM
Nice looking ones. The shape of the map alone almost suggests me you are using R's maps library?
Gradient looks pretty smooth too, are you perhaps adding one population multiple times to cover poorly sampled countries, especially big ones?
It is not R. And no.
andre
11-17-2019, 05:12 PM
Could you do it with me, please?
Andrei_scaled,0.122929,0.137096,0.039598,0.005168, 0.028313,-0.000558,0.008695,0.004846,-0.004295,0.00656,-0.001137,-0.002398,0.00669,0.018992,-0.018594,-0.011933,-0.011474,0.010008,0.00817,-0.012881,-0.00574,-0.000124,0.002958,-0.002048,-0.001916
Andrei,0.0108,0.0135,0.0105,0.0016,0.0092,-0.0002,0.0037,0.0021,-0.0021,0.0036,-0.0007,-0.0016,0.0045,0.0138,-0.0137,-0.009,-0.0088,0.0079,0.0065,-0.0103,-0.0046,-0.0001,0.0024,-0.0017,-0.0016
Lucas
11-17-2019, 06:40 PM
Are you saying that G25 is inaccurate?
No. Only that public regional samples especially for Britain are still from 10 years ago or more and just few.
There were just added few new Welshmen recently, just it.
They could release POBI dataset!
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 06:43 PM
It is not R. And no.
If you don't mind me asking what program or programs did you use to create these fascinating maps?
ph2ter
11-17-2019, 06:49 PM
https://i.imgur.com/B8mvfcp.png
https://i.imgur.com/WLeJ1Ho.png
https://i.imgur.com/Y52lftF.png
https://i.imgur.com/5Z0LxTo.png
https://i.imgur.com/xr36lSZ.png
vbnetkhio
11-17-2019, 06:49 PM
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could you do HUN_Mako_EBA:I1502 and HUN_LBA:I1504 a.k.a BR1 and BR2? those are interesting samples
ph2ter
11-17-2019, 06:50 PM
If you don't mind me asking what program or programs did you use to create these fascinating maps?
QGIS
ph2ter
11-17-2019, 06:58 PM
could you do HUN_Mako_EBA:I1502 and HUN_LBA:I1504 a.k.a BR1 and BR2? those are interesting samples
Indeed, they are:
https://i.imgur.com/Vqax7rP.png
https://i.imgur.com/SjTQ8W7.png
vbnetkhio
11-17-2019, 06:58 PM
Indeed, they are:
thanks!
WeirdLookingFellow
11-17-2019, 07:02 PM
If you don't mind doing mine as well please:
WeirdFellow_scaled,0.114961,0.131003,0.04186,0.016 15,0.031698,0.005857,0.00846,0.003692,-0.000818,0.006925,-0.005684,0.006145,-0.003865,0.014726,-0.013708,0.005436,0.003781,0.00038,0.004274,0.0012 51,0.001996,0.001855,0,0.005904,-0.006347
WeirdFellow,0.0101,0.0129,0.0111,0.005,0.0103,0.00 21,0.0036,0.0016,-0.0004,0.0038,-0.0035,0.0041,-0.0026,0.0107,-0.0101,0.0041,0.0029,0.0003,0.0034,0.001,0.0016,0. 0015,0,0.0049,-0.0053
ph2ter
11-17-2019, 07:02 PM
Could you do it with me, please?
Andrei_scaled,0.122929,0.137096,0.039598,0.005168, 0.028313,-0.000558,0.008695,0.004846,-0.004295,0.00656,-0.001137,-0.002398,0.00669,0.018992,-0.018594,-0.011933,-0.011474,0.010008,0.00817,-0.012881,-0.00574,-0.000124,0.002958,-0.002048,-0.001916
Andrei,0.0108,0.0135,0.0105,0.0016,0.0092,-0.0002,0.0037,0.0021,-0.0021,0.0036,-0.0007,-0.0016,0.0045,0.0138,-0.0137,-0.009,-0.0088,0.0079,0.0065,-0.0103,-0.0046,-0.0001,0.0024,-0.0017,-0.0016
https://i.imgur.com/ho2HleM.png
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 07:24 PM
If it isn't too much trouble could you do a map for my results, please?
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CDG_scaled,0.134311,0.135065,0.063356,0.04845,0.03 7545,0.019801,0.003995,0.010153,0.007363,0.000911,-0.003735,0.006294,-0.01442,-0.009358,0.020222,-0.000133,-0.014342,0,0.007793,0.006628,-0.000374,0.000989,0.008258,0.016629,-0.001437
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CDG,0.0118,0.0133,0.0168,0.015,0.0122,0.0071,0.001 7,0.0044,0.0036,0.0005,-0.0023,0.0042,-0.0097,-0.0068,0.0149,-0.0001,-0.011,0,0.0062,0.0053,-0.0003,0.0008,0.0067,0.0138,-0.0012
Daos777
11-17-2019, 07:25 PM
Daos_scaled,0.126344,0.114755,0.056568,0.04522,0.0 30467,0.019243,0.00564,-0.002308,-0.00634,-0.014761,-0.002598,-0.010041,0.016353,0.015689,-0.018865,0.010607,0.021905,-0.004941,-0.00729,0.004377,0.004118,-0.003339,0.004807,-0.00012,-0.006826
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Daos,0.0111,0.0113,0.015,0.014,0.0099,0.0069,0.002 4,-0.001,-0.0031,-0.0081,-0.0016,-0.0067,0.011,0.0114,-0.0139,0.008,0.0168,-0.0039,-0.0058,0.0035,0.0033,-0.0027,0.0039,-0.0001,-0.0057
Thanks man.
Bessarion
11-17-2019, 07:51 PM
From what source is that...this I504 paint close mine.
ph2ter
11-17-2019, 10:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/M7qk9ZA.png
https://i.imgur.com/lWKkQ3e.png
https://i.imgur.com/0LKaEUB.png
celticdragongod
11-17-2019, 10:35 PM
https://i.imgur.com/M7qk9ZA.png
Awesome! Thank you!
Daos777
11-17-2019, 10:39 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191117/0265ff8ffe04165dac6f015087e5751d.jpg
Woah. I’m similar to Kuban Cossaks. If that’s what population is represented on the map.
Thanks for doing it for me much appreciated.
WeirdLookingFellow
11-18-2019, 07:58 AM
Thanks, ph2ter. A Letonian ancestor away from being orange everywhere (Sardinia doesn't count).
dududud
11-18-2019, 02:05 PM
ThomasL_scaled,0.126344,0.14319,0.044877,-0.001938,0.048624,0.000279,0.00329,0.006231,0.0081 81,0.029522,-0.003573,0.006594,-0.020515,-0.005092,0.004207,-0.014585,-0.010561,0.002407,0.003897,-0.007629,0.000749,-0.001855,-0.002465,0.00482,0.000958
My father
Pierre_Bord_scaled,0.12862,0.137096,0.050157,0.032 3,0.045855,0.013108,-0.00188,0.005307,0.007158,0.018406,-0.003248,0.007343,-0.016204,-0.012661,0.021851,-0.006364,-0.024643,0.005194,0.00264,-0.005628,0.003868,0.002597,0.000863,0.008796,0.004 67
My mother
JeanneF_scaled,0.125205,0.15436,0.035826,-0.020995,0.045547,-0.01255,0.00141,0.003461,0.01268,0.039545,-0.005684,0.01124,-0.017245,-0.010184,-0.00855,-0.011005,-0.012256,-0.001647,0.00817,-0.020885,-0.006738,0.002226,-0.001479,-0.007953,0.004431
andre
11-18-2019, 02:28 PM
Ph2ter, could you try with imperial roman samples?
Thank you.
Omanvassal
11-18-2019, 02:31 PM
If you get the chance, I am Slovak
Omanvassal_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.05620 2, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718
Please do the map for us, if you want.
Feodora_scaled,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0.026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239
Csaba_scaled,0.122929,0.119832,0.049026,0.030039,0 .026774,0.017012,0.00705,0.003923,-0.002454,-0.009112,-0.002923,-0.001948,0.002081,0.01101,-0.00285,-0.001989,0.006128,0.002027,0.001257,-0.000625,-0.001123,0.003215,0.00493,0.003615,0.006945
drewcastle
11-18-2019, 05:44 PM
p2ther could you put mesolithic samples?
ph2ter
11-18-2019, 07:11 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Qmq4OOr.png
https://i.imgur.com/hpQr9Wy.png
https://i.imgur.com/EXoIBkA.png
https://i.imgur.com/fkdgzQS.png
https://i.imgur.com/VLwdeRA.png
https://i.imgur.com/lHTAM22.png
ph2ter
11-18-2019, 07:13 PM
https://i.imgur.com/iYtfvOU.png
Omanvassal
11-19-2019, 07:40 AM
https://i.imgur.com/lHTAM22.png
Nice map for Omanvassal
Is there an orientation map for all these sub-regions? Amazing work, as always.
MagnusDark
11-19-2019, 01:07 PM
Thanks ph2ter!
https://i.imgur.com/naBvUIa.png
Lemgrant
11-19-2019, 01:13 PM
.
Make one for me:
Lemgrant_unscaled,0.0121,0.0114,0.0182,0.0189,0.01 19,0.0082,0.0038,0.0037,0.0006,-0.0124,-0.0039,-0.0078,0.0112,0.0122,-0.0066,0.0076,0.0157,0,-0.0081,0.0043,-0.0029,-0.0043,0.0058,-0.0009,-0.0001
Thank you.
ph2ter
11-19-2019, 06:26 PM
Make one for me:
Lemgrant_unscaled,0.0121,0.0114,0.0182,0.0189,0.01 19,0.0082,0.0038,0.0037,0.0006,-0.0124,-0.0039,-0.0078,0.0112,0.0122,-0.0066,0.0076,0.0157,0,-0.0081,0.0043,-0.0029,-0.0043,0.0058,-0.0009,-0.0001
Thank you.
https://i.imgur.com/hfYQDZ9.png
Mingle
11-19-2019, 06:36 PM
Are you able to do this for non-Europeans (like Caucasoid Asians and North Africans)?
ph2ter
11-20-2019, 06:44 AM
Are you able to do this for non-Europeans (like Caucasoid Asians and North Africans)?
If someone pays me.
Karol Klačansky
11-20-2019, 12:10 PM
Can you create one for me, thank you
Karol_scaled,0.129758,0.127957,0.06675,0.054264,0. 048317,0.018965,0.00282,0.006231,0.005318,-0.007472,0.000162,-0.002098,0.005649,0.003441,-0.007465,0.014452,0.018384,0.003294,0.004274,0.003 877,0.009608,0.001731,-0.000863,0.006748,0
Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk
ph2ter
11-20-2019, 01:22 PM
Can you create one for me, thank you
Karol_scaled,0.129758,0.127957,0.06675,0.054264,0. 048317,0.018965,0.00282,0.006231,0.005318,-0.007472,0.000162,-0.002098,0.005649,0.003441,-0.007465,0.014452,0.018384,0.003294,0.004274,0.003 877,0.009608,0.001731,-0.000863,0.006748,0
Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk
https://i.imgur.com/IlnuItc.png
Vid Flumina
11-20-2019, 02:48 PM
VFlumina_scaled,0.118376,0.141159,0.033564,0.00387 6,0.039084,0.003904,0.00423,0.003,0.000818,0.01858 8,-0.003573,0.007044,-0.016055,-0.011147,-0.005836,0.020551,0.019297,0.003801,0.01169,-0.000625,0.005615,0,-0.001972,0.008917,-0.001916
grazie mille
ph2ter
11-20-2019, 09:54 PM
VFlumina_scaled,0.118376,0.141159,0.033564,0.00387 6,0.039084,0.003904,0.00423,0.003,0.000818,0.01858 8,-0.003573,0.007044,-0.016055,-0.011147,-0.005836,0.020551,0.019297,0.003801,0.01169,-0.000625,0.005615,0,-0.001972,0.008917,-0.001916
grazie mille
https://i.imgur.com/XJSMk8H.png
andre
11-20-2019, 10:04 PM
VFlumina_scaled,0.118376,0.141159,0.033564,0.00387 6,0.039084,0.003904,0.00423,0.003,0.000818,0.01858 8,-0.003573,0.007044,-0.016055,-0.011147,-0.005836,0.020551,0.019297,0.003801,0.01169,-0.000625,0.005615,0,-0.001972,0.008917,-0.001916
grazie mille
Che origini hai? Sei 100% piemontese?
Nurzat
11-20-2019, 10:10 PM
I am a bit nervous about it :cool:
Nurzat,0.12520541921179,0.12897223615957,0.0460087 217818535,0.0268091284826643,0.027697490861087,0.0 117134077022872,0.00775535105588393,0.007615067301 08145,-0.00347690523310602,-0.000182236110581849,-0.00893136327779808,-0.0040463983985762,0.00416249924924918,0.010184077 7687526,-0.0126219879575287,0.00291697103173823,0.004693825 73174591,0.00139357454052519,0.00175977271259671,-0.00537757938109704,-0.0101071642907395,-0.00296766574937273,0.00628563361961227,-0.00144598755181364,-0.00742448382044166
Vid Flumina
11-21-2019, 06:56 AM
https://i.imgur.com/XJSMk8H.png
"Quod in omni vita facimus in aeternum resonat" :icon_yes:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/48/7a/51487a776aaa90f20a2c6763d5d2d794.jpg
Vid Flumina
11-21-2019, 06:58 AM
Che origini hai? Sei 100% piemontese?
Per metà circa, il resto dal nordest (Veneto orientale al confine col Friuli)
JamesBond007
11-21-2019, 07:12 AM
Thanks but no thanks I know I am probably just going to get this :
https://i.imgur.com/6m5faiH.png
andre
11-21-2019, 08:05 AM
Per metà circa, il resto dal nordest (Veneto orientale al confine col Friuli)
Se mi passi le coordinate (scalate) ti mando i risultati di un modello che ho ideato (uso Vahaduo).
ph2ter
11-21-2019, 08:06 AM
I am a bit nervous about it :cool:
Nurzat,0.12520541921179,0.12897223615957,0.0460087 217818535,0.0268091284826643,0.027697490861087,0.0 117134077022872,0.00775535105588393,0.007615067301 08145,-0.00347690523310602,-0.000182236110581849,-0.00893136327779808,-0.0040463983985762,0.00416249924924918,0.010184077 7687526,-0.0126219879575287,0.00291697103173823,0.004693825 73174591,0.00139357454052519,0.00175977271259671,-0.00537757938109704,-0.0101071642907395,-0.00296766574937273,0.00628563361961227,-0.00144598755181364,-0.00742448382044166
https://i.imgur.com/0j2Qz3g.png
Tenma de Pegasus
08-13-2020, 12:48 PM
Very cool!
More maps? Other maps?
ph2ter
08-13-2020, 12:51 PM
Very cool!
More maps? Other maps?
These above are old outdated maps.
K13, K15, K36, MDLP K23b, G25 scaled, G25 unscaled.
Want more?
Courtesy of ph2ter.
https://i.ibb.co/3CkkYb7/yamnage.gif (https://ibb.co/RD774K9)
https://i.ibb.co/hWWjZPm/eef.gif (https://ibb.co/3NNqMDC)
https://i.ibb.co/HdqH7Tm/whg.gif (https://ibb.co/QdMK9vs)
https://i.ibb.co/KGyLRNn/cwb.png (https://ibb.co/PYC93Tk)
https://i.ibb.co/fS3xPwR/GSK8j5i.png (https://ibb.co/Sxk39CT)
https://i.ibb.co/pRh64Cn/Rxgswl5.png (https://ibb.co/CMPpVxW)
https://i.ibb.co/GQqxFHG/V3N1Nzp.jpg (https://ibb.co/Qv4bXDh)
https://i.ibb.co/yFBXbqs/4jFdXXc.jpg (https://ibb.co/XxkbvtJ)
https://i.ibb.co/gWfmk96/ay9qaJu.jpg (https://ibb.co/bvCQcm7)
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