Dacian Genetics

[Daos777]

Why are there no Dacian genomes anywhere on the internet? Have no Dacian skeletons with sufficient quality been discovered?

[vbnetkhio]

most of these are probably Dacian (the ones who are close to Italian/Spanish in k13 and k15)
scy192 scythian Moldova CG7540766 - - - 2863-2503bce
scy197 scythian Moldova LH1646901 M E1b E-CTS1273 U5a1a1 2885-2632bce
scy300 scythian Moldova UM7604856 F Hb5 397-209BCE
scy301 scythian Moldova CG2611850 - - - 390-205bce
scy303 scythian Moldova FJ6435372 - - - 380-203bce
scy311 scythian Moldova RC9424705 F - t2b 389-204BCE

[Coastal Elite]

One problem, as I understand it, is that Dacians cremated their dead. That might explain the lack of samples. I wonder if Thracian samples might be a good stand-in for Dacians.

[vbnetkhio]

One problem, as I understand it, is that Dacians cremated their dead. That might explain the lack of samples. I wonder if Thracian samples might be a good stand-in for Dacians.

these i posted were genetically Dacian but culturally Scythian so they were preserved.

that Thracian we have is much more southern than them, he plots between them and Mycenaean Greeks. and he's a northern Thracian, possibly Moesian.

[Cumansky]

most of these are probably Dacian (the ones who are close to Italian/Spanish in k13 and k15)
scy192 scythian Moldova CG7540766 - - - 2863-2503bce
scy197 scythian Moldova LH1646901 M E1b E-CTS1273 U5a1a1 2885-2632bce
scy300 scythian Moldova UM7604856 F Hb5 397-209BCE
scy301 scythian Moldova CG2611850 - - - 390-205bce
scy303 scythian Moldova FJ6435372 - - - 380-203bce
scy311 scythian Moldova RC9424705 F - t2b 389-204BCE
I noticed you quote me in other thread so I answer here. These ones are matched by Greek, Albanian, Iberian, Italian modern peoples. This is all Roman peoples. Thracians are not Roman peoples, not Dacians either, northern branch of their tribe that wasn't unified. They practice cremation also so this is not a proper Thracians but some Steppe-Illyrian mixed that were part of Thracian society (when we get a Thracian sample the result will be indicative of that, but right now.the closest one might be Czech Early Slav). Thracians are native they wouldn't have E Haplogroup is just a fact E Haplogroup originated outside Europe and was brought Europe by Sea and not rooted in Europe. I call BS on those being Thracian samples. And Bulgaria Iron Age you said yourself is more Southwest than any of these

These Scythian Moldova are Proto Albanians, if you match the most with them, well what I can tell you more

And I can say this because, I match all those Scythian Moldova samples

[Nurzat]

there's much speculation and the main two opinions are:

1. Dacians were mostly similar to Balto-Slavs and mostly went north after the Roman conquest and those that stayed got assimilated and of course their genes melted into the new gene pool, of more Eastern Mediterranean stock first (Roman colonists) and Balkan stock later (when Vlachs came from Macedonia/Timok)

2. Dacians were mostly similar to today's Romanians/Bulgarians, mostly PaleoBalkanic (Neollithic farmer descendants) with some steppe genes since it's always been in some contact with that regions, which it borders

[War Chef]

most of these are probably Dacian (the ones who are close to Italian/Spanish in k13 and k15)
scy192 scythian Moldova CG7540766 - - - 2863-2503bce
scy197 scythian Moldova LH1646901 M E1b E-CTS1273 U5a1a1 2885-2632bce
scy300 scythian Moldova UM7604856 F Hb5 397-209BCE
scy301 scythian Moldova CG2611850 - - - 390-205bce
scy303 scythian Moldova FJ6435372 - - - 380-203bce
scy311 scythian Moldova RC9424705 F - t2b 389-204BCE

You are very sharp to figure this out and you're correct.

k15 of the 1st one:

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.840242
2 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.863138
3 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.908107
4 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.040099
5 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.054066
6 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.055067
7 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.067988
8 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.080188
9 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.082127
10 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.083286
11 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.089484
12 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.092433
13 Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 5.096451
14 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.099330
15 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.117218
16 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.157411
17 Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Aragon + West_German @ 5.160912
18 Portuguese + Sardinian + South_Italian + Southwest_English @ 5.175196
19 Irish + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.175495
20 Orcadian + Sardinian + South_Italian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.187489

[vbnetkhio]

I noticed you quote me in other thread so I answer here. These ones are matched by Greek, Albanian, Iberian, Italian modern peoples.

but they don't match them. they are the most similar to Bergamo Italians.

these Dacians are roughly 50% indo-european + 50% neolithic. Bergamo Italians are also roughly 50% indo-european + 50% neolithic. that's why they are similar.

[Jana]

most of these are probably Dacian (the ones who are close to Italian/Spanish in k13 and k15)
scy192 scythian Moldova CG7540766 - - - 2863-2503bce
scy197 scythian Moldova LH1646901 M E1b E-CTS1273 U5a1a1 2885-2632bce
scy300 scythian Moldova UM7604856 F Hb5 397-209BCE
scy301 scythian Moldova CG2611850 - - - 390-205bce
scy303 scythian Moldova FJ6435372 - - - 380-203bce
scy311 scythian Moldova RC9424705 F - t2b 389-204BCE

Only logical answer so far.

[Jana]

I made model for Romanians using Scy_MLD smaples as Dacian, early Slavs, Thracians, Myceneans, Turkics, and Celts....and Romanians are still more Dacian than anything else today.

[War Chef]

I made model for Romanians using Scy_MLD smaples as Dacian, early Slavs, Thracians, Myceneans, Turkics, and Celts....and Romanians are still more Dacian than anything else today.

Link?

[Jana]

Link?

I am trying to find it without sucess. Andre tried my model, maybe he knows where I posted it.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

They were still a product of Barcin + Tepecik + WHG, with probably more Steppe than Thracians depending on their region due to proximity to Scythians. Their lack of chariots show that they were later influenced more strongly by Steppe people.

Vbnetkhio's samples show consistent 10-18% Baltic with <8% W. Asian and then jump to >12% W. Asian and plenty of Baltic. It's more interesting to understand how were the Dacians culturally and from which neighbouring cultures they took after.

[vbnetkhio]

Hell no, you Balkaners are dreaming again.

check those samples yourself on gedmatch. all of them. don't just pick the northern ones. :coffee:
unless you think those are fake samples created by the Balkan lobby or something. :rolleyes:



My name is appears only in Avestan and Thracian language, and I'm a Vlach from Romania.



What are you?

what are you trying to say? how are you a Vlach now? you said you are half Polish Szlachta with distant Vlach origin(Romanian/Moldavian) and half Ukrainian Cossack.

and what does Avestan have to do with this, and Thracians and Vlachs? explain please. i'm a Serb btw.

[Nurzat]

I am trying to find it without sucess. Andre tried my model, maybe he knows where I posted it.

if I model Scythians with today's populations - Scythians in Moldova more Greek-like, those in Hungary more Romanian-like:

https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75501046_124884435618022_553528053599305728_n.jpg? _nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQnt871v_G7DSTRog7ayDQxRwNNXeKpPQT1AKTW5alx cYUJBFCg63zqiZY82Z4cAOFI&_nc_ht=scontent.fotp1-2.fna&oh=99221eb5cdd95ad97572a9597e8302b9&oe=5E4E82E2

https://scontent.fotp1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75653292_124885608951238_5683033801886793728_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQmaHeJr8Zox7ouVbxlElfVqZ5OL1NTCS1kyzcuXBta 9-6xWRvawPlRR-2z0cVmcpDw&_nc_ht=scontent.fotp1-2.fna&oh=5d9cb8f0a2148060e04e597d580cbb90&oe=5E876895

[vbnetkhio]

They were still a product of Barcin + Tepecik + WHG, with probably more Steppe than Thracians depending on their region due to proximity to Scythians. Their lack of chariots show that they were later influenced more strongly by Steppe people.

Vbnetkhio's samples show consistent 10-18% Baltic with <8% W. Asian and then jump to >12% W. Asian and plenty of Baltic. It's more interesting to understand how were the Dacians culturally and from which neighbouring cultures they took after.

i plotted them here.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6215829&viewfull=1#post6215829

these are approximate locations on Tolans map:
https://i.imgur.com/mKPm0tE.png

this is the site(blue dot near Tiraspol):
https://i.imgur.com/MYWbnOr.png

[WeirdLookingFellow]

With other models the Romans, for example, did not score Tepecik. SE Europe clearly had a strong influx of Anatolia_Tepecik that did not go further west than than the limits of Cucuteni-Trypillia

https://puu.sh/EFE4q/d20777118d.png
https://puu.sh/EFE6O/a9bcd51fe7.png