Looking at Irish and British populations on Vahaduo

[Grace O'Malley]

First post is with Irish.

This is what Irish get with the full dataset.

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.4395% / 0.00439474
Aggregated
74.6 Scottish
10.6 Shetlandic
6.0 French_Rennes_Bretagne
5.0 Icelandic
3.4 French_Brittany
0.4 Jatt_Pathak

Removed Scottish

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.4880% / 0.00488013
Aggregated
34.6 Orcadian
22.8 Shetlandic
15.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
15.0 Icelandic
10.2 English_Cornwall
1.6 French_Brittany
0.6 Darginian

Removed Orcadian

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.6794% / 0.00679450
Aggregated
40.4 French_Brittany
35.8 Norwegian
12.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
6.6 Dutch
3.0 Darginian
1.0 Spanish_Asturias
0.6 Shetlandic
0.2 Igorot

Removed Shetlandic

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.5549% / 0.00554939
Aggregated
40.8 English_Cornwall
25.6 Icelandic
11.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne
10.0 Norwegian
8.8 French_Brittany
2.4 Darginian
0.4 Tajik_Rushan
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Kalash

Removed English Cornwall

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.5794% / 0.00579380
Aggregated
30.4 English
25.8 Icelandic
17.8 French_Brittany
12.8 Norwegian
10.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne
2.4 Darginian
0.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ

Removed English

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.5920% / 0.00591957
Aggregated
37.2 Icelandic
19.8 French_Rennes_Bretagne
17.2 French_Brittany
16.0 Welsh
7.6 Norwegian
2.2 Darginian

Removed Welsh

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.5945% / 0.00594488
Aggregated
40.6 Icelandic
26.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
21.0 French_Brittany
9.8 Norwegian
2.4 Darginian

Removed Icelandic

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.6841% / 0.00684147
Aggregated
41.6 French_Brittany
35.4 Norwegian
14.0 French_Rennes_Bretagne
6.4 Dutch
2.4 Darginian
0.2 Kaitag

Anyway process of elimination and the Irish appear to be most similar to French Bretons and Norwegians on the Continent. This is in line with the Irish DNA Atlas.

Anyone can do this for the populations they are interested in. You just need Vahuaduo https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/ and the Global 25 spreadsheet for the modern pop averages scaled https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sMEsGxHv_7ZPE35_5kNeOtLY-UH19KKm/view

If no one else wants to I'll do for the British populations in the future.

[Grace O'Malley]

It will be interesting to compare and contrast when these are all done.

Scottish with full dataset.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.2360% / 0.00235986
Aggregated
29.6 Orcadian
22.6 Irish
17.8 English_Cornwall
13.6 English
7.2 Shetlandic
4.2 Icelandic
2.6 Dutch
1.6 Norwegian
0.4 Darginian
0.2 Ket
0.2 Shor_Mountain

Scottish with Orcadian removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.2902% / 0.00290234
Aggregated
46.0 Irish
21.0 English
17.2 English_Cornwall
6.2 Icelandic
4.6 Shetlandic
2.0 German_East
0.8 Lithuanian_PZ
0.6 Spanish_Canarias
0.4 Dutch
0.4 Welsh_o
0.2 Ket
0.2 Khanty
0.2 Lithuanian_VZ
0.2 Shor_Mountain

Scottish with Irish removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.3911% / 0.00391065
Aggregated
31.4 English
23.2 English_Cornwall
20.6 Icelandic
17.2 Shetlandic
5.0 French_Brittany
1.0 Darginian
1.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.4 Shor_Mountain
0.2 Karitiana

Scottish with English removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.4205% / 0.00420540
Aggregated
41.2 English_Cornwall
26.0 Icelandic
15.4 Shetlandic
7.6 Welsh
6.6 French_Brittany
1.4 Darginian
1.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.2 Basque_Spanish
0.2 Shor_Khakassia
0.2 Shor_Mountain
0.2 Zapotec

Scottish with Cornwall removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.4930% / 0.00493026
Aggregated
34.0 Icelandic
29.2 Welsh
19.6 Shetlandic
10.8 French_Brittany
4.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
1.2 Darginian
0.4 Shor_Mountain
0.2 Papuan

Scottish with Welsh removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.5145% / 0.00514529
Aggregated
40.2 Icelandic
24.6 Shetlandic
17.8 French_Brittany
6.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
5.4 Dutch
2.6 Welsh_o
1.6 Darginian
0.4 Basque_Spanish
0.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
0.4 Shor_Mountain

Scottish with Shetlandic removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.5145% / 0.00514529
Aggregated
40.2 Icelandic
24.6 Shetlandic
17.8 French_Brittany
6.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
5.4 Dutch
2.6 Welsh_o
1.6 Darginian
0.4 Basque_Spanish
0.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
0.4 Shor_Mountain

Scottish with Icelandic removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.7421% / 0.00742097
Aggregated
38.6 French_Brittany
31.2 Dutch
26.0 Norwegian
2.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
1.4 Darginian
0.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne

Stronger influence of Dutch like component evident on the Scots. Possibly a proxy for Anglo-Saxon admixture? I suppose I should see what happens when Brittany is removed but might do that after I've went through the British populations.

[asuvis]

How do you get your own global 25 coordinates?

[Grace O'Malley]

With full dataset.

Target: English
Distance: 0.4031% / 0.00403144
Aggregated
49.4 English_Cornwall
17.8 Scottish
11.8 Icelandic
6.6 French_Paris
6.6 Irish
4.6 Swedish
1.2 Basque_Spanish
0.4 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.4 French_Brittany
0.4 Mari
0.4 Welsh_o
0.2 Georgian_Imer
0.2 Orcadian

With Cornwall removed

Target: English
Distance: 0.4738% / 0.00473807
Aggregated
46.0 Scottish
21.2 Icelandic
15.0 Welsh
6.4 French_Paris
4.8 French_Brittany
2.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
2.0 Swiss_German
1.6 Italian_Bergamo
0.4 Italian_Lombardy

With Scottish removed.

Target: English
Distance: 0.5122% / 0.00512151
Aggregated
28.0 Icelandic
21.6 Welsh
21.0 Irish
5.8 Dutch
5.8 Swiss_German
5.4 Orcadian
4.2 French_Paris
3.2 French_Brittany
3.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
2.0 Italian_Lombardy

With Welsh removed.

Target: English
Distance: 0.5207% / 0.00520663
Aggregated
34.4 Icelandic
28.4 Irish
11.2 Swiss_German
6.0 French_Paris
5.8 Dutch
5.4 French_Brittany
4.2 Orcadian
3.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
1.0 Italian_Lombardy

With Irish removed.

Target: English
Distance: 0.5598% / 0.00559793
Aggregated
36.2 Icelandic
22.0 Orcadian
14.6 French_Paris
13.6 French_Brittany
3.6 Shetlandic
3.0 Swiss_German
2.6 Dutch
2.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
1.0 Welsh_o
0.4 Georgian_Imer
0.4 Italian_Lombardy

With Orcadian removed

Target: English
Distance: 0.5818% / 0.00581799
Aggregated
44.2 Icelandic
20.2 French_Brittany
10.6 French_Paris
7.6 Dutch
6.2 Shetlandic
5.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
3.0 Welsh_o
2.2 Swiss_German
0.6 Georgian_Imer
0.4 Italian_Lombardy

With Shetlandic removed.

Target: English
Distance: 0.5877% / 0.00587729
Aggregated
44.8 Icelandic
21.0 French_Brittany
10.4 Dutch
9.2 French_Paris
4.4 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
3.6 Welsh_o
3.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
2.2 Swiss_German
0.6 Italian_Lombardy
0.4 Georgian_Imer
0.2 Darginian

With Icelandic removed.

Target: English
Distance: 0.7291% / 0.00729139
Aggregated
33.6 Dutch
30.2 French_Brittany
22.8 French_Rennes_Bretagne
5.6 Norwegian
5.2 Swedish
2.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco

I think the Dutch might be a proxy for Anglo-Saxon, Frisian.

[Grace O'Malley]

How do you get your own global 25 coordinates?

You get them from David at Eurogenes. Only 12 USD and very much worth it.

Email him at Eurogenesblog@gmail.com and you pay by paypal.

He adds ancients all the time and when populations from studies are released.

[firemonkey]

It will be interesting to compare and contrast when these are all done.

Scottish with full dataset.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.2360% / 0.00235986
Aggregated
29.6 Orcadian
22.6 Irish
17.8 English_Cornwall
13.6 English
7.2 Shetlandic
4.2 Icelandic
2.6 Dutch
1.6 Norwegian
0.4 Darginian
0.2 Ket
0.2 Shor_Mountain

Scottish with Orcadian removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.2902% / 0.00290234
Aggregated
46.0 Irish
21.0 English
17.2 English_Cornwall
6.2 Icelandic
4.6 Shetlandic
2.0 German_East
0.8 Lithuanian_PZ
0.6 Spanish_Canarias
0.4 Dutch
0.4 Welsh_o
0.2 Ket
0.2 Khanty
0.2 Lithuanian_VZ
0.2 Shor_Mountain

Scottish with Irish removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.3911% / 0.00391065
Aggregated
31.4 English
23.2 English_Cornwall
20.6 Icelandic
17.2 Shetlandic
5.0 French_Brittany
1.0 Darginian
1.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.4 Shor_Mountain
0.2 Karitiana

Scottish with English removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.4205% / 0.00420540
Aggregated
41.2 English_Cornwall
26.0 Icelandic
15.4 Shetlandic
7.6 Welsh
6.6 French_Brittany
1.4 Darginian
1.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.2 Basque_Spanish
0.2 Shor_Khakassia
0.2 Shor_Mountain
0.2 Zapotec

Scottish with Cornwall removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.4930% / 0.00493026
Aggregated
34.0 Icelandic
29.2 Welsh
19.6 Shetlandic
10.8 French_Brittany
4.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
1.2 Darginian
0.4 Shor_Mountain
0.2 Papuan

Scottish with Welsh removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.5145% / 0.00514529
Aggregated
40.2 Icelandic
24.6 Shetlandic
17.8 French_Brittany
6.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
5.4 Dutch
2.6 Welsh_o
1.6 Darginian
0.4 Basque_Spanish
0.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
0.4 Shor_Mountain

Scottish with Shetlandic removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.5145% / 0.00514529
Aggregated
40.2 Icelandic
24.6 Shetlandic
17.8 French_Brittany
6.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
5.4 Dutch
2.6 Welsh_o
1.6 Darginian
0.4 Basque_Spanish
0.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
0.4 Shor_Mountain

Scottish with Icelandic removed.

Target: Scottish
Distance: 0.7421% / 0.00742097
Aggregated
38.6 French_Brittany
31.2 Dutch
26.0 Norwegian
2.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
1.4 Darginian
0.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne

Stronger influence of Dutch like component evident on the Scots. Possibly a proxy for Anglo-Saxon admixture? I suppose I should see what happens when Brittany is removed but might do that after I've went through the British populations.


Interesting about the Dutch. My mother was from Aberdeen, and has a lot of ancestors from Banffshire and Morayshire. She often scores more Dutch than English .

[JamesBond007]

First post is with Irish.

This is what Irish get with the full dataset.

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.4395% / 0.00439474
Aggregated
74.6 Scottish
10.6 Shetlandic
6.0 French_Rennes_Bretagne
5.0 Icelandic
3.4 French_Brittany
0.4 Jatt_Pathak

Removed Scottish

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.4880% / 0.00488013
Aggregated
34.6 Orcadian
22.8 Shetlandic
15.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
15.0 Icelandic
10.2 English_Cornwall
1.6 French_Brittany
0.6 Darginian

Removed Orcadian

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.6794% / 0.00679450
Aggregated
40.4 French_Brittany
35.8 Norwegian
12.4 French_Rennes_Bretagne
6.6 Dutch
3.0 Darginian
1.0 Spanish_Asturias
0.6 Shetlandic
0.2 Igorot

Removed Shetlandic

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.5549% / 0.00554939
Aggregated
40.8 English_Cornwall
25.6 Icelandic
11.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne
10.0 Norwegian
8.8 French_Brittany
2.4 Darginian
0.4 Tajik_Rushan
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Kalash

Removed English Cornwall

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.5794% / 0.00579380
Aggregated
30.4 English
25.8 Icelandic
17.8 French_Brittany
12.8 Norwegian
10.6 French_Rennes_Bretagne
2.4 Darginian
0.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ

Removed English

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.5920% / 0.00591957
Aggregated
37.2 Icelandic
19.8 French_Rennes_Bretagne
17.2 French_Brittany
16.0 Welsh
7.6 Norwegian
2.2 Darginian

Removed Welsh

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.5945% / 0.00594488
Aggregated
40.6 Icelandic
26.2 French_Rennes_Bretagne
21.0 French_Brittany
9.8 Norwegian
2.4 Darginian

Removed Icelandic

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.6841% / 0.00684147
Aggregated
41.6 French_Brittany
35.4 Norwegian
14.0 French_Rennes_Bretagne
6.4 Dutch
2.4 Darginian
0.2 Kaitag

Anyway process of elimination and the Irish appear to be most similar to French Bretons and Norwegians on the Continent. This is in line with the Irish DNA Atlas.

Anyone can do this for the populations they are interested in. You just need Vahuaduo https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/ and the Global 25 spreadsheet for the modern pop averages scaled https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sMEsGxHv_7ZPE35_5kNeOtLY-UH19KKm/view

If no one else wants to I'll do for the British populations in the future.


Honestly, IMHO the Irish full dataset example just looks like Scottish people with a slight pull towards Tudor era Scotland.

[JamesBond007]

I get weird results with the full dataset. My single closest population is Dutch and I usually plot either with the Dutch, English or Irish/Scots depending on the calculator.

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02865262 Dutch
0.02966312 Norwegian
0.03065194 Welsh
0.03128912 Irish
0.03153596 Scottish
0.03173767 English
0.03185616 French_Brittany
0.03264251 Orcadian
0.03424261 English_Cornwall
0.03434002 Shetlandic
0.03554655 Icelandic
0.03738947 German
0.03825792 Swedish
0.03928185 Belgian
0.04627489 French_East
0.04744540 Austrian
0.04858516 French
0.04923277 Swiss_German


Here is the weird part :

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.3544% / 0.02354361

75.6 Norwegian
15.8 Spanish_Soria
4.6 Welsh
2.6 Lak
0.8 Biaka
0.6 Papuan

My Norwegian is super inflated compared to the Irish who have Shetlantic,Icelandic and/or Orcadian as a proxy but then I have Spanish and Welsh instead of French like the Irish. As far as Biaka and Papuan they are under 1 so could be statistical noise but I can imagine papuan possibly from the British empire. I am American 75% British isles descent AFAIK.

[JamesBond007]

Here is what I get with Norwegian taking out : notice the large Welsh percentage which just goes to show my British isles ancestry that is why the full datasheet confounds me :

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.5157% / 0.02515671
49.4 Welsh
19.6 Irish
13.2 Dutch
10.2 Spanish_Soria

etc...

[celticdragongod]

I think the Dutch might be a proxy for Anglo-Saxon, Frisian.

Or maybe it has something to do with the Dutch Bell Beakers.

[Grace O'Malley]

Or maybe it has something to do with the Dutch Bell Beakers.

Could be but it is lower in the Irish and Irish are a very Bell Beaker population. Being only a novice I'm just looking at what's obvious in front of me. It could just be the algorithm compensating for the different population mixes. It is just interesting to me to see what is picked for each population. I'll do more later.

[Jana]

How do you do this? You post spreadsheet in source, but than what? I don't know how to get run like yours where it shows not closest matching populations but breakdown in percentages.

[Grace O'Malley]

I get weird results with the full dataset. My single closest population is Dutch and I usually plot either with the Dutch, English or Irish/Scots depending on the calculator.

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02865262 Dutch
0.02966312 Norwegian
0.03065194 Welsh
0.03128912 Irish
0.03153596 Scottish
0.03173767 English
0.03185616 French_Brittany
0.03264251 Orcadian
0.03424261 English_Cornwall
0.03434002 Shetlandic
0.03554655 Icelandic
0.03738947 German
0.03825792 Swedish
0.03928185 Belgian
0.04627489 French_East
0.04744540 Austrian
0.04858516 French
0.04923277 Swiss_German


Here is the weird part :

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.3544% / 0.02354361

75.6 Norwegian
15.8 Spanish_Soria
4.6 Welsh
2.6 Lak
0.8 Biaka
0.6 Papuan

My Norwegian is super inflated compared to the Irish who have Shetlantic,Icelandic and/or Orcadian as a proxy but then I have Spanish and Welsh instead of French like the Irish. As far as Biaka and Papuan they are under 1 so could be statistical noise but I can imagine papuan possibly from the British empire. I am American 75% British isles descent AFAIK.

This is what I get.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.6930% / 0.01693025
Aggregated
48.4 Irish
47.4 Icelandic
1.2 Welsh
1.0 Adygei
1.0 Cossack_Kuban
0.8 Swedish
0.2 Basque_Spanish

With Irish removed I get this.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7451% / 0.01745108
Aggregated
63.4 Icelandic
21.4 Welsh
13.6 Orcadian
1.2 Adygei
0.2 Darginian
0.2 Lak

With Icelandic removed this is the result.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8803% / 0.01880349
Aggregated
39.6 Scottish
32.6 Orcadian
15.2 Swedish
12.0 Norwegian
0.4 Darginian
0.2 Welsh

So this process can be used for everyone. Welsh, Irish, Scottish etc are all similar populations. I really should remove all Irish and British populations if I want to see what continental populations I match.

With British & Irish removed. The Icelandic is inflated.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.7651% / 0.01765121
Aggregated
83.6 Icelandic
9.0 French_Brittany
4.2 Basque_Spanish
2.4 Darginian
0.4 Adygei
0.4 Norwegian

With Icelandic removed this is what I get which is quite similar to the Irish DNA Atlas results. Bretons are very similar to Irish and British populations anyway.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.0443% / 0.02044281
Aggregated
35.6 French_Brittany
31.6 Norwegian
31.4 Swedish
1.4 Darginian

With Bretons removed this is my result.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.1072% / 0.02107217
Aggregated
40.6 Norwegian
35.2 Swedish
12.6 Shetlandic
8.4 Basque_Spanish
3.2 Darginian

It might not mean much but it is interesting to see what populations crop up.

[Grace O'Malley]

How do you do this? You post spreadsheet in source, but than what? I don't know how to get run like yours where it shows not closest matching populations but breakdown in percentages.

You have to post the population spreadsheet in Source in Vahaduo and the target is the country coordinates or if looking at yourself your coordinates. Then you can look at individual distances or under single it will give you a breakdown. It's a really easy tool to use and super quick.