View Full Version : WhatsGoingOnBigGuy's AncestryDNA vs 23andme ethnicity estimates.
WhatsGoingOnBigGuy
11-20-2019, 02:28 AM
I don't actually have my full AncestryDNA report yet, but I used the /origins/ glitch to see the ethnicity estimate early, so I'll have regions probably tomorrow or the next day.
The two tests: https://imgur.com/a/NVOG2FY
Context of my ancestors:
Grandparent 1 - Has two parents from Lithuania but my surname is probably Polish (beginning with Cz) so the eastern euro admix on ancestry isn't surprising.
Grandparent 2 - Half English half Sicilian
Grandparent 3 - Probably full Irish
Grandparent 4 - Unknown mix of German and English.
I already thought the Italian was low on 23andme but I was surprised to see nothing for ancestry. Obviously the 1% Middle Eastern would be residual from Sicily but it isn't there at all lol. Perhaps I chose the wrong time to test with this new update rolling out, anyone else having Italian issues?
WhatsGoingOnBigGuy
11-20-2019, 12:49 PM
bumperino
Your minor Sicilian was lost in recombination.
Smitty
11-21-2019, 02:38 AM
Your minor Sicilian was lost in recombination.
Really? 12.5%? I find that hard to believe. That's pretty significant. And 23andme did give him 6% Italian.
Daco Celtic
11-21-2019, 02:47 AM
I believe 23andMe is more accurate for mixed Europeans, it was for me
WhatsGoingOnBigGuy
11-21-2019, 03:52 AM
I believe 23andMe is more accurate for mixed Europeans, it was for me
agreed. generally my british isles and baltic/slavic make sense on ancestry so I have no idea where this extra germanic is coming from lol. should be impossible for them to mistakenly assign southern Italian to Germany but who knows what they're doing. I doubt my anglo/german grandmother was that heavily german.
Really? 12.5%? I find that hard to believe. That's pretty significant. And 23andme did give him 6% Italian.
6% is still not 12.5% though. Sicilian blood is still broadly white, so it's possible for a small amount to not show up on a test. On the other hand with SSA or Chinese it's practically impossible.
6% is still not 12.5% though. Sicilian blood is still broadly white, so it's possible for a small amount to not show up on a test. On the other hand with SSA or Chinese it's practically impossible.
Random inheritance.
Lemgrant
11-21-2019, 07:07 AM
6% is still not 12.5% though. Sicilian blood is still broadly white, so it's possible for a small amount to not show up on a test. On the other hand with SSA or Chinese it's practically impossible.
Not a Cop is 12.5% German. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?274475-Post-your-updated-23andme-regions-(beta-has-ended)&p=6012022&viewfull=1#post6012022
Before the update he was 11.8% NW Euro. After the update he got 6.5% NW Euro + German, the rest is hidden under 'Broadly European' probably.
Hey, Big Guy, if you don't mind, please check the Y DNA predictor using your Ancestry data
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?251096-Post-your-Y-DNA-prediction
I'd like to know if it's accurate in as many cases as possible.
Hey, Big Guy, if you don't mind, please check the Y DNA predictor using your Ancestry data
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?251096-Post-your-Y-DNA-prediction
I'd like to know if it's accurate in as many cases as possible.
It was accurate for me, so put another check mark in the accurate catagory.
Is your ancestor from Lithuania paternal one who gave you this haplogroup? It is typical Baltic variety of R1a.
Which means even if your ancestors might have had Polish/Slavic surname, their Y lineage was Baltic.
WhatsGoingOnBigGuy
11-22-2019, 10:12 PM
Is your ancestor from Lithuania paternal one who gave you this haplogroup? It is typical Baltic variety of R1a.
Which means even if your ancestors might have Polish surname, their lineage was Baltic.
Yup! Paternal line is the Lithuanian one.
WhatsGoingOnBigGuy
11-22-2019, 10:13 PM
Hey, Big Guy, if you don't mind, please check the Y DNA predictor using your Ancestry data
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?251096-Post-your-Y-DNA-prediction
I'd like to know if it's accurate in as many cases as possible.
^^^ accurate for me as well
Yup! Paternal line is the Lithuanian one.
Many Lithuanians were Polonised during PLC. Might have been the case with your ancestor, although it's only Y lineage, and you would need to check deeper subclades.
But Z92 is chiefly Baltic, not Slavic, and Slavs who have it are mostly assimilated Balts paternally.
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/547395_328578750559469_257032880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=c8JDWxZ2uyUAQkSb63IWCdpn2aXViT6H99FaXD4via hg_SFO3Ie2uLQ-g&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=e44a3f162b98cd15cac9bc8a71382b90&oe=5E7D40CA
^^^ accurate for me as well
Did it identify you as Z92?
WhatsGoingOnBigGuy
11-22-2019, 10:25 PM
Many Lithuanians were Polonised during PLC. Might have been the case with your ancestor, although it's only Y lineage, and you would need to check deeper subclades.
But Z92 is chiefly Baltic, not Slavic, and Slavs who have it are mostly assimilated Balts paternally.
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/547395_328578750559469_257032880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=c8JDWxZ2uyUAQkSb63IWCdpn2aXViT6H99FaXD4via hg_SFO3Ie2uLQ-g&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=e44a3f162b98cd15cac9bc8a71382b90&oe=5E7D40CA
Thank you for the info. And yeah, I was checking some migration records into the US recently of people with my surname and they seemed to come from both Lithuania and Poland. 23andme gave me some polish regions at one point as well but recently took them away only leaving Kaunas Lithuania. Interesting shared genetic/cultural history in the region. The thing that has always confused me more was my great grandmother's maiden name beginning with 'katz' which always led me to believe I was jewish lmao.
WhatsGoingOnBigGuy
11-22-2019, 10:26 PM
Did it identify you as Z92?
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Many Lithuanians were Polonised during PLC. Might have been the case with your ancestor, although it's only Y lineage, and you would need to check deeper subclades.
But Z92 is chiefly Baltic, not Slavic, and Slavs who have it are mostly assimilated Balts paternally.
Interestingly the guy is autosomally nothing like Northeast Europeans. Haplogroups are a funny thing. The Russian from Kursk oblast I posted is C-M217, lol. And he's barely 3% mongoloid.
Interestingly the guy is autosomally nothing like Northeast Europeans. Haplogroups are a funny thing. The Russian from Kursk oblast I posted is C3, lol. And he's barely 3% mongoloid.
Rugevit is Z92 btw. He was very Baltic admixed which is normal for guy from northern Belarus (he as from close to Latvian border), but he was very Pan-Slavic oriented.
Sorry for offtopic guys, just found it interesting to mention since very few TA members are this subclade (I don't know any other)
Leto you should test your own R1a :)
Rugevit is Z92 btw. He was very Baltic admixed which is normal for guy from northern Belarus (he as from close to Latvian border), but he was very Pan-Slavic oriented.
Sorry for offtopic guys, just found it interesting to mention since very few TA members are this subclade (I don't know any other)
Leto you should test your own R1a :)
Well, ordering Y-37 won't help much and deeper testing is pretty damn expensive. My paternal line is from Minsk oblast, Central Belarus, most likely some kind of Z282 but who knows.
Daco Celtic
11-22-2019, 10:45 PM
agreed. generally my british isles and baltic/slavic make sense on ancestry so I have no idea where this extra germanic is coming from lol. should be impossible for them to mistakenly assign southern Italian to Germany but who knows what they're doing. I doubt my anglo/german grandmother was that heavily german.
Yeah, AncestryDNA gave me 17% "Germanic Europe" when I have no known German heritage. Maybe a similar thing happened with you. 23andMe only showed a tiny percentage which seems far more accurate.
Well, ordering Y-37 won't help much and deeper testing is pretty damn expensive. My paternal line is from Minsk oblast, Central Belarus, most likely some kind of Z282 but who knows.
I did YSEQ N1a-VL29 Panel for $88 to arrive at my detailed subclade, I thought it was worth it so you may want to consider. Of course I get no matching because I chose to take this route, but I felt the hundreds of dollars for the Big Y was cost prohibitive, for me.
I did YSEQ N1a-VL29 Panel for $88 to arrive at my detailed subclade, I thought it was worth it so you may want to consider. Of course I get no matching because I chose to take this route, but I felt the hundreds of dollars for the Big Y was cost prohibitive, for me.
Do you need to mail them your DNA sample?
Do you need to mail them your DNA sample?
Yes
TheOldNorth
11-23-2019, 02:11 AM
agreed. generally my british isles and baltic/slavic make sense on ancestry so I have no idea where this extra germanic is coming from lol. should be impossible for them to mistakenly assign southern Italian to Germany but who knows what they're doing. I doubt my anglo/german grandmother was that heavily german.
this is actually do to a process called recombination, by which we aren't exactly 25% each of our grandparents because we're only a random assortment of genes from both grandparents on one side or the other, so technically you can be 50% one grandparent and 0% the other although the odds are super super low
Smitty
11-23-2019, 02:21 AM
I'll repeat myself and say that this is exceedingly unlikely to be a case of zero genetic inheritance from a great-grandparent. Such a thing has to be incredibly rare, if it's even possible. AncestryDNA just has a lousy ethnicity estimate, which we all kind of knew already.
Östsvensk
11-25-2019, 10:42 AM
Well, ordering Y-37 won't help much and deeper testing is pretty damn expensive. My paternal line is from Minsk oblast, Central Belarus, most likely some kind of Z282 but who knows.
Living DNA goes deeper on haplogroups on their tests. They do not do a full sequence, but it is considered medium whereas 23andme is basic. Some reported to have received their full clades on mtDNA. Their ancestry test is currently €69 on Black Friday sale.
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