Ukrainian K36 map Father and Son

[asuvis]

Father:
https://i.imgur.com/kEm2eJ3.png

Son:
https://i.imgur.com/2CUhg4E.png

[asuvis]

Southeast shift is particularly interesting.

[Leto]

Heavily Balkanic, barely typical UA, especially the son.
Nurzat is half Carpathian Rusyn and half Romanian with a bit of German
https://i.ibb.co/vdMD2Fh/Taux-de-Similitude-Nurzat.png

[Dušan]

Father:
https://i.imgur.com/kEm2eJ3.png

Son:
https://i.imgur.com/2CUhg4E.png


Quite different. What would be a K36 map of mother?

[asuvis]

Quite different. What would be a K36 map of mother?

She wouldn't allow me to post but very southeast Europe shifted.

[asuvis]

Heavily Balkanic, barely typical UA, especially the son.
Nurzat is half Carpathian Rusyn and half Romanian with a bit of German
https://i.ibb.co/vdMD2Fh/Taux-de-Similitude-Nurzat.png

I agree, very interesting indeed.

[asuvis]

Heavily Balkanic, barely typical UA, especially the son.
Nurzat is half Carpathian Rusyn and half Romanian with a bit of German
https://i.ibb.co/vdMD2Fh/Taux-de-Similitude-Nurzat.png

Son would have to be some kind of Greek + Father or Bulgarian + Father Combo.

[Leto]

I agree, very interesting indeed.
So those are your grandfather and father? What are their Baltic and N Atlantic scores from K13?

[asuvis]

So those are your grandfather and father? What are their Baltic and N Atlantic scores from K13?

37.6 and 37.5 for Grandfather, I must ask him for his scores, he does the work for his and just sent me the K36 map.

[Leto]

37.6 and 37.5 for Grandfather, I must ask him for his scores, he does the work for his and just sent me the K36 map.
37% North Atlantic? That'd make sense only if he is quarter French.

[asuvis]

37% North Atlantic? That'd make sense only if he is quarter French.

Here are his K13 and k36, if you put it into the K36 you will get the same map :) .

https://i.imgur.com/HitiSPy.png

[asuvis]

37% North Atlantic? That'd make sense only if he is quarter French.

https://i.imgur.com/SkoK8By.png

[Leto]

Highly unusual results. There is no way a full Ukrainian or Rusyn or even a Pole would score 37% North Atlantic! Peterski is a Pole from Wielkopolska (basically Western Poland minus the Recovered territories) and his parents score 32-33 percent "only".
You're a big fucking mix, bro :lol: (not a bad one of course)

[asuvis]

Highly unusual results. There is no way a full Ukrainian or Rusyn or even a Pole would score 37% North Atlantic! Peterski is a Pole from Wielkopolska (basically Western Poland minus the Recovered territories) and his parents score 32-33 percent "only".
You're a big fucking mix, bro :lol: (not a bad one of course)

Kill me now, I don't even know what I am anymore. I might as well actually be part Romanian and fuck it might be some somali too.

[Karol Klačansky]

https://i.imgur.com/SkoK8By.pngThis guy is full Ukrainian? Share his oracle. My k13 results are more eastern shifted than this guy.

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[asuvis]

This guy is full Ukrainian? Share his oracle. My k13 results are more eastern shifted than this guy.

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He is 94 so sometimes stories aren't always correct, not going to tell him that at that age. Here you go:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 7.08
2 South_Polish 7.5
3 North_Swedish 8.09
4 Southwest_Finnish 8.5
5 Hungarian 8.92
6 Austrian 9.02
7 Polish 9.69
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.12
9 Ukrainian 10.36
10 Croatian 11.06
11 Swedish 11.82
12 North_German 12.7
13 Finnish 12.8
14 Russian_Smolensk 12.9
15 Belorussian 13.01
16 Southwest_Russian 13.41
17 Estonian_Polish 13.45
18 Estonian 13.67
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.8
20 Moldavian 14.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.3% Southwest_Russian + 46.7% North_Dutch @ 1.91
2 56.3% Southwest_Russian + 43.7% Orcadian @ 2.04
3 61.7% South_Polish + 38.3% Swedish @ 2.04
4 52.7% Southwest_Russian + 47.3% Danish @ 2.06
5 58.9% Southwest_Russian + 41.1% West_Scottish @ 2.14
6 67.1% South_Polish + 32.9% Norwegian @ 2.2
7 56.9% Southwest_Russian + 43.1% Southeast_English @ 2.27
8 59.4% Southwest_Russian + 40.6% Southwest_English @ 2.3
9 57.7% Southwest_Russian + 42.3% Irish @ 2.31
10 53.1% Estonian + 46.9% West_German @ 2.38
11 51.4% North_German + 48.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.38
12 68% South_Polish + 32% North_Dutch @ 2.39
13 67.4% South_Polish + 32.6% Danish @ 2.41
14 52.5% Southwest_Russian + 47.5% Norwegian @ 2.43
15 58.3% North_Swedish + 41.7% Croatian @ 2.46
16 51.5% North_German + 48.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.46
17 53.5% Ukrainian + 46.5% Swedish @ 2.46
18 55.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.3% Orcadian @ 2.55
19 53.3% Swedish + 46.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.57
20 50.6% North_German + 49.4% Belorussian @ 2.57

[TheOldNorth]

how do you get these maps?

[asuvis]

how do you get these maps?

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

[Leto]

He is 94 so sometimes stories aren't always correct, not going to tell him that at that age. Here you go:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 7.08
2 South_Polish 7.5
3 North_Swedish 8.09
4 Southwest_Finnish 8.5
5 Hungarian 8.92
6 Austrian 9.02
7 Polish 9.69
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.12
9 Ukrainian 10.36
10 Croatian 11.06
11 Swedish 11.82
12 North_German 12.7
13 Finnish 12.8
14 Russian_Smolensk 12.9
15 Belorussian 13.01
16 Southwest_Russian 13.41
17 Estonian_Polish 13.45
18 Estonian 13.67
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.8
20 Moldavian 14.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.3% Southwest_Russian + 46.7% North_Dutch @ 1.91
2 56.3% Southwest_Russian + 43.7% Orcadian @ 2.04
3 61.7% South_Polish + 38.3% Swedish @ 2.04
4 52.7% Southwest_Russian + 47.3% Danish @ 2.06
5 58.9% Southwest_Russian + 41.1% West_Scottish @ 2.14
6 67.1% South_Polish + 32.9% Norwegian @ 2.2
7 56.9% Southwest_Russian + 43.1% Southeast_English @ 2.27
8 59.4% Southwest_Russian + 40.6% Southwest_English @ 2.3
9 57.7% Southwest_Russian + 42.3% Irish @ 2.31
10 53.1% Estonian + 46.9% West_German @ 2.38
11 51.4% North_German + 48.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.38
12 68% South_Polish + 32% North_Dutch @ 2.39
13 67.4% South_Polish + 32.6% Danish @ 2.41
14 52.5% Southwest_Russian + 47.5% Norwegian @ 2.43
15 58.3% North_Swedish + 41.7% Croatian @ 2.46
16 51.5% North_German + 48.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.46
17 53.5% Ukrainian + 46.5% Swedish @ 2.46
18 55.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.3% Orcadian @ 2.55
19 53.3% Swedish + 46.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.57
20 50.6% North_German + 49.4% Belorussian @ 2.57
He must have Western European ancestry. Western Ukrainians plot between Southern Poland and Croatia. 47% Dutch or Danish is just mind-blowing. And mind you, the SW Russian reference is not Balkanic at all, it's based on Kursk, Voronezh, Belgorod, that kind of places.
Did he get a huge amount of NW Euro on the commercial test?

[asuvis]

He must have Western European ancestry. Western Ukrainians plot between Southern Poland and Croatia. 47% Dutch or Danish is just mind-blowing. And mind you, the SW Russian reference is not Balkanic at all, it's based on Kursk, Voronezh, Belgorod, that kind of places.
Did he get a huge amount of NW Euro on the commercial test?

19-21% NW Euro, 77-80% East Euro, 2-3% Balkan. Though I believe 23andme is shit because I started out with 26% Balkan and it has pretty much fluctuated between 9% to 26% Balkan with every update (It keeps switching putting it into Eastern Euro and putting it back,the rest of my results stay the same). For example Myheritage said I had 34% Balkan but 23andme does not. As well as DNA.land put me at 29% South Euro.

[Karol Klačansky]

He is 94

this guy is your grandfather?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Ask you grandpa if he's half German and if he gets awkward then you know the answer.

[asuvis]

this guy is your grandfather?

Yes

[asuvis]

Ask you grandpa if he's half German and if he gets awkward then you know the answer.

He Does not get awkward I have asked questions like that many times.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

He Does not get awkward I have asked questions like that many times.

It was half as a joke but good to know you tried, lol. I'm also trying to get more info on my maternal grandpa's family, some German might've came from there.

[Luke35]

19-21% NW Euro, 77-80% East Euro, 2-3% Balkan. Though I believe 23andme is shit because I started out with 26% Balkan and it has pretty much fluctuated between 9% to 26% Balkan with every update (It keeps switching putting it into Eastern Euro and putting it back,the rest of my results stay the same). For example Myheritage said I had 34% Balkan but 23andme does not. As well as DNA.land put me at 29% South Euro.

I have seen other cases, IrisSelene comes to mind, where the Gedmatch Eurogene result is a little outlandish, but the 23andMe result closer to what is expected.

So, the 23andMe V5 data could be affecting the accuracy for your grandfather here.

20% NW European on 23andMe does strike me as being high relative to his known ancestry, but 47% Dutch is startling. I trust the 23andMe result more in this case.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I have seen other cases, IrisSelene comes to mind, where the Gedmatch Eurogene result is a little outlandish, but the 23andMe result closer to what is expected.

So, the 23andMe V5 data could be affecting the accuracy for your grandfather here. 20% NW European on 23andMe does strike me as being high relative to his known ancestry, but 47% Dutch is startling, I trust the 23andMe result more in this case.

GEDmatch oracles are just bad despite them being made to actually show if you have mixed ancestry; they're bad at their literal purpose lol. Look at mine, I'm not half Central Italian and half Ukrainian. At their best the 4 way ones may be capable , on some calculators, to show that you have too much of a non-European component which translates to a possible grandparent of Turkish/Armenian or whatever ancestry. But they screw even that up most make me 1/4 Ashkenazi well Shalom them.

[asuvis]

GEDmatch oracles are just bad despite them being made to actually show if you have mixed ancestry; they're bad at their literal purpose lol. Look at mine, I'm not half Central Italian and half Ukrainian. At their best the 4 way ones may be capable , on some calculators, to show that you have too much of a non-European component which translates to a possible grandparent of Turkish/Armenian or whatever ancestry. But they screw even that up most make me 1/4 Ashkenazi well Shalom them.

Yeah I agree, for example my father gets Romanian for all of his gedmatch oracles, who knows if it’s true but I doubt it. If it is I won’t know what to do with myself.

[asuvis]

Mothers result: EU K15

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.90
2 West_Med 16.56
3 North_Sea 13.93
4 Baltic 13.80
5 West_Asian 11.57
6 Atlantic 10.81
7 Eastern_Euro 7.30
8 Red_Sea 2.25
9 South_Asian 2.01
10 Oceanian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.17
2 Greek 6.67
3 Bulgarian 8.82
4 Central_Greek 8.91
5 Ashkenazi 9.67
6 East_Sicilian 9.73
7 Italian_Abruzzo 9.82
8 Romanian 10.1
9 Tuscan 10.6
11 South_Italian 11.58
10 West_Sicilian 12.45
12 Serbian 13.33
13 North_Italian 15.23
14 Italian_Jewish 15.94
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.29
16 Algerian_Jewish 17.45
17 Moldavian 18.24
18 Hungarian 19.47
19 Croatian 19.65
20 Tunisian_Jewish 20.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.0% Greek_Thessaly + 4.0% Lithuanian @ 1.82
2 96.3% Greek_Thessaly + 3.7% Erzya @ 1.87
3 95.7% Greek_Thessaly + 4.3% Southwest_Russian @ 1.88
4 95.8% Greek_Thessaly + 4.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.88
5 96.3% Greek_Thessaly + 3.7% Belorussian @ 1.89

[Leto]

Mothers result: EU K15

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.90
2 West_Med 16.56
3 North_Sea 13.93
4 Baltic 13.80
5 West_Asian 11.57
6 Atlantic 10.81
7 Eastern_Euro 7.30
8 Red_Sea 2.25
9 South_Asian 2.01
10 Oceanian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.17
2 Greek 6.67
3 Bulgarian 8.82
4 Central_Greek 8.91
5 Ashkenazi 9.67
6 East_Sicilian 9.73
7 Italian_Abruzzo 9.82
8 Romanian 10.1
9 Tuscan 10.6
11 South_Italian 11.58
10 West_Sicilian 12.45
12 Serbian 13.33
13 North_Italian 15.23
14 Italian_Jewish 15.94
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.29
16 Algerian_Jewish 17.45
17 Moldavian 18.24
18 Hungarian 19.47
19 Croatian 19.65
20 Tunisian_Jewish 20.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.0% Greek_Thessaly + 4.0% Lithuanian @ 1.82
2 96.3% Greek_Thessaly + 3.7% Erzya @ 1.87
3 95.7% Greek_Thessaly + 4.3% Southwest_Russian @ 1.88
4 95.8% Greek_Thessaly + 4.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.88
5 96.3% Greek_Thessaly + 3.7% Belorussian @ 1.89
Your father's mother? She appears straight up Greek!

[asuvis]

Your father's mother? She appears straight up Greek!

Yes but that can't be so, She's not supposed to be that.

[Leto]

Yes but that can't be so, She's not supposed to be that.
Yeah, one thing is clear - your paternal side doesn't cluster with Russians at all.

That's K15 though, what about K13? Also Greek?

[asuvis]

Your father's mother? She appears straight up Greek!

Here is her K13 but I don't believe it.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.45
2 West_Med 20.03
4 North_Atlantic 19.26
3 Baltic 18.65
5 West_Asian 11.59
6 Red_Sea 3.40
7 South_Asian 1.59
8 Amerindian 0.55
9 Oceanian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.94
2 Bulgarian 8.23
3 Central_Greek 9.44
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.39
5 East_Sicilian 10.48
6 Romanian 10.59
7 West_Sicilian 11.28
8 Ashkenazi 11.66
9 Tuscan 12.45
10 South_Italian 13.7
11 Serbian 14.65
12 North_Italian 15.88
13 Algerian_Jewish 18.32
14 Italian_Jewish 18.46
15 Sephardic_Jewish 18.94
16 Moldavian 20.92
17 Libyan_Jewish 21.48
18 Tunisian_Jewish 22.1
19 Hungarian 22.86
20 Croatian 22.95

[Leto]

Very Southern European results, almost Albanian. Your grandparents can't be full Ukrainians.
What about their looks? Do they look like Greeks or Romanians?

[asuvis]

Very Southern European results, almost Albanian. Your grandparents can't be full Ukrainians.

Gedmatch never makes any mistakes? And her last name is very Greek sounding, Habas.

[Leto]

Gedmatch never makes any mistakes? And her last name is very Greek sounding, Habas.
It obviously can but not to such an extent. Someone who is 37% North Atlantic or 24% East Med should obviously have a lot of other ancestry besides Ukrainian.

[Lemgrant]

Gedmatch never makes any mistakes? And her last name is very Greek sounding, Habas.

who was Vassilios Gabas that you posted? pure Greek name and surname. Surname Gabas is of Arvanite origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites

[Jana]

Here is her K13 but I don't believe it.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.45
2 West_Med 20.03
4 North_Atlantic 19.26
3 Baltic 18.65
5 West_Asian 11.59
6 Red_Sea 3.40
7 South_Asian 1.59
8 Amerindian 0.55
9 Oceanian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.94
2 Bulgarian 8.23
3 Central_Greek 9.44
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.39
5 East_Sicilian 10.48
6 Romanian 10.59
7 West_Sicilian 11.28
8 Ashkenazi 11.66
9 Tuscan 12.45
10 South_Italian 13.7
11 Serbian 14.65
12 North_Italian 15.88
13 Algerian_Jewish 18.32
14 Italian_Jewish 18.46
15 Sephardic_Jewish 18.94
16 Moldavian 20.92
17 Libyan_Jewish 21.48
18 Tunisian_Jewish 22.1
19 Hungarian 22.86
20 Croatian 22.95

This are Vlach/Aromanian results. Can be Albanian too.

[asuvis]

It obviously can but not to such an extent. Someone who is 37% North Atlantic or 24% East Med should obviously have a lot of other ancestry besides Ukrainian.

I did not see your edit, She looks like she could be from Turkey, very dark skin, etc. Her father's name was Vassilios (Vasil) Habas. Her father was said to "have some gypsy blood" in him.

[asuvis]

who was Vassilios Gabas that you posted? pure Greek name and surname. Surname Gabas is of Arvanite origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites

Her father.

[asuvis]

This are Vlach/Aromanian results. Can be Albanian too.

How do you know that vs actually greek?

[Daos777]

You’re basically an Albano-Georgian.

[Leto]

I did not see your edit, She looks like she could be from Turkey, very dark skin, etc. Her father's name was Vassilios (Vasil) Habas. Her father was said to "have some gypsy blood" in him.
That sounds very Greek. Ukraine has/had a Greek community but I thought they were more Pontic, West Asian-like.

[asuvis]

You’re basically an Albano-Georgian.

Why does everyone keep saying Albanian?

[Leto]

19-21% NW Euro, 77-80% East Euro, 2-3% Balkan. Though I believe 23andme is shit because I started out with 26% Balkan and it has pretty much fluctuated between 9% to 26% Balkan with every update (It keeps switching putting it into Eastern Euro and putting it back,the rest of my results stay the same). For example Myheritage said I had 34% Balkan but 23andme does not. As well as DNA.land put me at 29% South Euro.
20% NW Euro is a solid amount but not even close to half.

[Jana]

How do you know that vs actually greek?

Vlachs usually score like that. But can be northern Greek or Albanian too, all these people are genetically very similar.

[asuvis]

That sounds very Greek. Ukraine has/had a Greek community but I thought they were more Pontic, West Asian-like.

One thing to note as well is that their village was very small and they had only been there since the 1750's I think (for the Habas side), fled from north or south idk.

[Daos777]

Why does everyone keep saying Albanian?

Arvanite surname and Albanian like results.

[Karol Klačansky]

Gedmatch never makes any mistakes? And her last name is very Greek sounding, Habas.Doesn't make mistakes to this extent man, yiur grandmother is definitely not Ukrainian in origin. It's almost unbelievable that they don't know this. Either yiur great grandparents were great at keeping secrets or yiur grandparents are.

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[asuvis]

20% NW Euro is a solid amount but not even close to half.

Could some of the east euro potentially be misread? Maybe it's from Transylvania Saxons or something.

[asuvis]

Arvanite surname and Albanian like results.

How do I look up arvanite surnames? How did you know?

[asuvis]

Doesn't make mistakes to this extent man, yiur grandmother is definitely not Ukrainian in origin. It's almost unbelievable that they don't know this. Either yiur great grandparents were great at keeping secrets or yiur grandparents are.

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I am not so sure how to proceed with this.

[Karol Klačansky]

How do I look up arvanite surnames? How did you know?Do you have ydna and mtdna of yiur grandparents?

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[Leto]

Could some of the east euro potentially be misread? Maybe it's from Transylvania Saxons or something.
Maybe. And your father got even less NW Europe?

[asuvis]

Maybe. And your father got even less NW Europe?

He got 11%-ish and I have 5%-ish

[Karol Klačansky]

I am not so sure how to proceed with this.Your grandfather's map too is interesting, scores over 80 in west Ukraine north Poland and east Germany but everywhere in between his percentages drop significantly. So random

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[asuvis]

Do you have ydna and mtdna of yiur grandparents?

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Her Mtdna is T.

[Leto]

He got 11%-ish and I have 5%-ish
But one of your grandparents is also supposed to be 25% French (you said you are 4-8% yourself).

[asuvis]

Your grandfather's map too is interesting, scores over 80 in west Ukraine north Poland and east Germany but everywhere in between his percentages drop significantly. So random

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Which makes me think he is for sure some Ukrainian since he scores 80 in west Ukraine.

[asuvis]

But one of your grandparents is also supposed to be 25% French (you said you are 4-8% yourself).

Long story short this whole thing is fucking mess Leto but her side was supposed to be the one with some random french, not his. So it leaves me baffled.

[Leto]

Long story short this whole thing is fucking mess Leto but her side was supposed to be the one with some random french, not his. So it leaves me baffled.
Yeah, I feel for you. What is your first language? Georgian? Russian? What did your grandparents speak as children?

[Karol Klačansky]

Which makes me think he is for sure some Ukrainian since he scores 80 in west Ukraine.Ur grandfather definitely has Ukrainian ancestry unlike your grandmother but what is his dodecad V3 results? I have seen western ukrainians with elevated NW Euro percentages but not exactly as high as your grandfather. I did however see a southern pole with results similar to your grand father. This was due to German ancestry due to the fact that there were Germans mining in the tatra mountains, maybe something similar in western Ukraine?

[Daos777]

Dude you don’t have to lie about not being Albanian. It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

I’m mostly Albanian too.

[asuvis]

Ur grandfather definitely has Ukrainian ancestry unlike your grandmother but what is his dodecad V3 results? I have seen western ukrainians with elevated NW Euro percentages but not exactly as high as your grandfather. I did however see a southern pole with results similar to your father. This was due to German ancestry due to the fact that there were Germans mining in the tatra mountains, maybe something similar in western Ukraine?

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 46.22
2 East_European 23.85
3 Mediterranean 20.53
4 West_Asian 6.78
5 South_Asian 1.1
6 Southeast_Asian 0.59
7 Palaeo_African 0.46
8 Southwest_Asian 0.38
9 Northeast_Asian 0.06
10 Neo_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian (Xing) 7.18
2 German (Dodecad) 8.8
3 Hungarians (Behar) 9.83
4 N._European (Xing) 14.14
5 CEU (HapMap) 14.24
6 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 14.25
7 Orcadian (HGDP) 15.15
8 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 15.28
9 FIN (1000Genomes) 17.28
10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 20.92
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 21.47
12 Polish (Dodecad) 21.85
13 French (Dodecad) 22.11
14 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.42
15 French (HGDP) 22.5
16 Balkans (Dodecad) 22.51
17 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 22.55
18 Finnish (Dodecad) 23.06
19 Kent (1000 Genomes) 24.33
20 Norwegian (Dodecad) 24.42

[Karol Klačansky]

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_European46.22
2East_European23.85
3Mediterranean20.53
4West_Asian6.78
5South_Asian1.1
6Southeast_Asian0.59
7Palaeo_African0.46
8Southwest_Asian0.38
9Northeast_Asian0.06
10Neo_African0.04

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Slovenian (Xing)7.18
2German (Dodecad)8.8
3Hungarians (Behar)9.83
4N._European (Xing)14.14
5CEU (HapMap)14.24
6Argyll (1000 Genomes)14.25
7Orcadian (HGDP)15.15
8Orkney (1000 Genomes)15.28
9FIN (1000Genomes)17.28
10Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)20.92
11Swedish (Dodecad)21.47
12Polish (Dodecad)21.85
13French (Dodecad)22.11
14Dutch (Dodecad)22.42
15French (HGDP)22.5
16Balkans (Dodecad)22.51
17Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)22.55
18Finnish (Dodecad)23.06
19Kent (1000 Genomes)24.33
20Norwegian (Dodecad)24.42His eastern Euro and Western Euro percentages are very close to mine, almost the same. He looks like he's half Ukrainian(not western) and half German imo.

[asuvis]

Dude you don’t have to lie about not being Albanian. It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

I’m mostly Albanian too.

არა!

[asuvis]

His eastern Euro and Western Euro percentages are very close to mine, almost the same. He looks like he's half Ukrainian(not western) and half German imo.

You think he's half further east Ukraine? Could also be some polish dna as well there too you never know.

[Daos777]

არა!

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[asuvis]

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lololol. I am not sure Arvanites are Albanian though.

[Karol Klačansky]

You think he's half further east Ukraine? Could also be some polish dna as well there too you never know.No not exactly just that the western urkainian in him is from the genetically eastern part of the spectrum of Western Ukrainians(which clusters with other more eastern Ukrainians) and the other half of him looks to be German. I'm not super well verše in western Ukrainian history but I'm sure Germans were settled there as well during Austro-Hungarian times.

[asuvis]

No not exactly just that the western urkainian in him is from the genetically eastern part of the spectrum of Western Ukrainians(which clusters with other more eastern Ukrainians) and the other half of him looks to be German. I'm not super well verše in western Ukrainian history but I'm sure Germans were settled there as well during Austro-Hungarian times.

Very interesting, don't think I will ever find out the fullanswer though sadly.

[Karol Klačansky]

Very interesting, don't think I will ever find out the fullanswer though sadly.Read the history of the area your grandparents are from and see if you can look through old matricula books from their villages, have you done their family tree that way? These kinds of things can a lot of times be discovered of the effort is put in or you can at least get a good idea of what most likely happened.

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[Daos777]

lololol. I am not sure Arvanites are Albanian though.

Welcome home my Albanian brother. Let’s go herd some sheep. Papa said he will slaughter the fattest sheep in your honor tonight.

[asuvis]

who was Vassilios Gabas that you posted? pure Greek name and surname. Surname Gabas is of Arvanite origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites

After much time I have accepted I'm 1/4 greek in all likelihood, though it does feel weird and foreign.

[asuvis]

LM Genetics Map of Grandfather:

https://i.imgur.com/6UThT7R.png

[asuvis]

The mystery of the grandfather being 20% Northwest Euro has been solved. Through genealogy research and the surname he gave me, his mother turned out to be from an inconsequential Kashub-German noble family in the Pomerania region, they were not powerful or anything but a minor noble family nonetheless. Hence why there his only three regions are East Germany-Kashubia-West Ukraine. As he clusters with Kashubia at 80 while the rest of the regions in Poland get 76-78 range. There will be no further update as the mystery is solved, thanks to all for advice, especially @Karol Klačansky for his sugggestions.

If you are interested they are from this family:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trzebiatowski

[21993]

Father might have some German roots.

[Roy]

Very Southern European results, almost Albanian. Your grandparents can't be full Ukrainians.
What about their looks? Do they look like Greeks or Romanians?

Maybe Donetsk Greeks?

[asuvis]

Father might have some German roots.

The mystery of the grandfather being 20% Northwest Euro has been solved. Through genealogy research and the surname he gave me, his mother turned out to be from an inconsequential Kashub-German noble family in the Pomerania region, they were not powerful or anything but a minor noble family nonetheless. Hence why there his only three regions are East Germany-Kashubia-West Ukraine. As he clusters with Kashubia at 80 while the rest of the regions in Poland get 76-78 range. There will be no further update as the mystery is solved, thanks to all for advice, especially @Karol Klačansky for his sugggestions.

If you are interested they are from this family:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trzebiatowski

[asuvis]

Maybe Donetsk Greeks?

Could be but I think unlikely, though always a possibility!

[Leto]

The mystery of the grandfather being 20% Northwest Euro has been solved. Through genealogy research and the surname he gave me, his mother turned out to be from an inconsequential Kashub-German noble family in the Pomerania region, they were not powerful or anything but a minor noble family nonetheless. Hence why there his only three regions are East Germany-Kashubia-West Ukraine. As he clusters with Kashubia at 80 while the rest of the regions in Poland get 76-78 range. There will be no further update as the mystery is solved, thanks to all for advice, especially @Karol Klačansky for his sugggestions.

If you are interested they are from this family:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trzebiatowski
Great news! Although I think he is still too Western even for a Polish person. There must be some German ancestry too down the line.

[asuvis]

Great news! Although I think he is still too Western even for a Polish person. There must be some German ancestry too down the line.

The noble family had plenty of German/Kashub mix so I wouldn't be surprised if his mother was 40-50% German.