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Laag
11-21-2019, 03:29 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Po7KVNZ.jpg

Laag
11-21-2019, 04:58 PM
In some cases Nenets may look very "European". I can't imagine her as Central Asian, West Asian or Southern European. Some people claimed Central Asians or Turks have Siberian admixture but this 100% Siberian girl pass as Aryan among them.

Ymyyakhtakh
11-21-2019, 06:13 PM
How do you know she's 100% Siberian? Don't forget that even the linguistic ancestors of Nenetses likely came from Europe.

BTW, the paper titled The Complex Admixture History and Recent Southern Origins of Siberian Populations (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4915357/) also says that Nenetses show signs of a southern origin:


The most extensive admixture has clearly happened in South Siberia, which is also the area to which several of the central and northern Siberian populations trace their origins. Thus, the Yakuts show clear evidence of having originated in an area near Lake Baikal and of stemming from a common ancestral population with the Buryats (Tokarev and Gurvich 1956; Crubézy et al. 2010). The Selkup and Nenets, too, show signs of a southern origin and possibly shared ancestry with the Tuvans. In contrast, the Tungusic-speaking populations are likely to have originated not in the Lake Baikal area, as suggested previously (Vasilevič 1969), but in the Amur region (Tugolukov 1980). Some of these recent expansions from southern to northern Siberia may have been driven by the advent of pastoralism, especially reindeer domestication, which is known in South Siberia from around 3,000 ya (Laufer 1917; Mirov 1945; Vainshtein 1980; Clutton-Brock 1999; Clutton-Brock 2012).

Furthermore, our results demonstrate that the European ancestry component detectable in many populations of southern, central, and northern Siberia is not the result of postcolonial Russian admixture as may have been expected (Fedorova et al. 2013) and as was suggested elsewhere (Cardona et al. 2014). Rather, with the exception of the Dolgans and the Samoyedic-speaking groups of western Siberia, the European ancestry represents one of the most ancient components of the complex admixture history of Siberian populations.

https://i.imgur.com/Mm4GCEX.jpg

Laag
11-21-2019, 06:59 PM
How do you know she's 100% Siberian?

Because she's Nenets. She has Nenets surname. I don't think she has any "European" origin.

Ymyyakhtakh
11-21-2019, 08:10 PM
Karafet et al. 2018 (Siberian genetic diversity reveals complex origins of the Samoyedic-speaking populations) (http://генофонд.рф/wp-content/uploads/2018_Karafet_-SAMODIYSKIE-NARODYI.pdf) cited Eugene Helimski and Juha Janhunen in referece to the location of the Samoyedic homeland:


Based on the linguistic historical reconstruction, E. Helimsky suggested a wide area between Middle Ob and Yenisey as the proto-Samoyed original home matching the Kulay archeological culture of the 500 BC-500 AD (Helimsky, 1990). J. Janhunen placed the homeland of Proto-Samoyed in the area of the Minusinsk basin on the Upper Yenisey, which is bounded on the east by the Sayan Mountains and on the west by Kuznetsk Alatau (Janhunen, 2009).

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Linguistic historical reconstructions point to two areas as the proto-Samoyed original home: a wide forest region between the Middle Ob and Yenisey Rivers that matches the Kulay archeological culture of 500 BC-500 AD (Helimsky, 1990) and the Tagar culture in the Minusinsk basin on the Upper Yenisey (Janhunen, 2009).

The graph below is from the same paper.

At K=4, you can see that Uralic Siberians along with Kets have almost none of the blue East Asian component. Germans have a small proportion of the pink Uralic component, but Iranians have a small proportion of the blue East Asian component. Yakuts have an approximately equal proportion of the pink and blue components.

At K=5, Germans have a fairly large proportion of the yellow (ANE-like?) component. The yellow component is maximal in Kets and Selkups, which are possibly the two most ANE populations. Tundra Nenetses look like a mix of Selkups and Nganasans.

https://i.imgur.com/RYIG4qC.jpg