Origin I2 Dinaric?

[Omanvassal]

I posted my 23andme result, ancestor location, and photo in FTDNA I2 Project and they assume I might be I-Y3120

92930

What can you tell me for this clade? Should I buy Y-37 test that is recommended. It seems to be 8 Greeks, 2 Pole, 1 Russian Tatar, 1 Albanian, 1 Lithuanian, 3 Belarusian and few that didn't list origin

[Daos777]

I posted my 23andme result, ancestor location, and photo in FTDNA I2 Project and they assume I might be I-Y3120

92930

What can you tell me for this clade? Should I buy Y-37 test that is recommended. It seems to be 8 Greeks, 1 Pole, 1 Russian Tatar, 1 Albanian, 1 Lithuanian, 3 Belarusian and few that didn't list origin

Y-37 was useless as fuck for me. Either that or I don’t know how to interpret the results.

[Omanvassal]

Y-37 was useless as fuck for me. Either that or I don’t know how to interpret the results.

That what I mean, I don't want just flush 99$ down to the toilet. I am willing to pay more if that what it takes to get all the information of my Paternal Grandfather. The two users that told me one is administrator and the other is Russian with Moldovan surname

[Omanvassal]

If this my clade, it has some people from Alexander the Great birthplace, Pella Greece

[MagnusDark]

If this my clade, it has some people from Alexander the Great birthplace, Pella Greece

It is a Slavic haplogroup. The earliest ancestor CTS10228 may have been Celtic(theoretical for now). What is certain however, is that I2a1b-Y3120 was likely already Slavic/Proto-Slavic. It seems to have been absorbed either before or during Proto-Slavic ethnogenesis.

Majority of men in this line, with exception of a rare isolated Greek/East European Jewish Branch(possibly Bastarnae) are of Slavic heritage/descent.

[Omanvassal]

It is a Slavic haplogroup. The earliest ancestor CTS10228 may have been Celtic(theoretical for now). What is certain however, is that I2a1b-Y3120 was likely already Slavic/Proto-Slavic. It seems to have been absorbed either before or during Proto-Slavic ethnogenesis.

Majority of men in this line, with exception of a rare isolated Greek/East European Jewish Branch(possibly Bastarnae) are of Slavic heritage/descent.

You wish buddy, why would I have Slavic clade from Greece? Am I from Greece? There is more West Asians (Greeks, Albanians) than Slavs in Y-3120

[MagnusDark]

You wish buddy, why would I have Slavic clade from Greece? Am I from Greece? There is more West Asians (Greeks, Albanians) than Slavs in Y-3120

Are you trolling or something? lol Did you forget Slavs invaded and settled Greece and even Albania? Did you forget some Slavs were assimilated into these groups during the early to late middle ages?

It is most common in Slavs. South Slavs have more than the average Slavic country due to bottlenecks and founder effects. It doesn't even reach more than 7-10 percent in Albanians. It is also mostly found in the South where some Slavic tribes settled. R1a/I2a drop to low or negligible levels in Northern Albania and Kosova.

Mostly Slavic: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120/

The isolate Greek branch probably split prior to the Slavic migration. All ancient Y3120 samples thus far are Polish and Russian.

[Omanvassal]

Are you trolling or something? lol Did you forget Slavs invaded and settled Greece and even Albania? Did you forget some Slavs were assimilated into these groups during the early to late middle ages?

It is most common in Slavs. South Slavs have more than the average Slavic country due to bottlenecks and founder effects. It doesn't even reach more than 7-10 percent in Albanians.

In Greece it is more common exactly where Slavs settled.

Lol none of this applies to me, is common in people with Vlach origin I2. Yugoslavs are not proper Slavs, they are like me or something of that nature

[Omanvassal]

Thracian=Vlach=Y-DNA I2 Origin

This race has been in Northwest Anatolia and Southeast Europe before all the Turks, Jews, Albanians, etc arrived much later. Read it up google: Ezero-Cernavoda Culture

[MagnusDark]

Lol none of this applies to me, is common in people with Vlach origin I2. Yugoslavs are not proper Slavs, they are like me or something of that nature

You're half Slovak no? Is that your fathers side? Even Hungarians assimilated large amounts of Slavs. It definitely applies to you. Yet here you are speaking nonsense about Alexander the Great and Pella.

I2a-Y3120 is a young bloodline, and most branches in Greeks and Albanians are even younger and share distant matches with Slavs. It is a Slavic line. I also explained to you it's elevation in South Slavs is due to founder effects and bottlenecks. The most diversity for I2a1b-Y3120 seems to be around Southern Poland and Western Ukraine.

It reaches minimum 10-15 percent in the most Slavic countries. Everywhere Slavs were, it is found. Most people on FTDNA project, studies, and even here on Yfull, are mostly all Slavic or come from countries Slavs migrated to during the middle ages. The basa Y3120 sample is even Polish.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120/

[Omanvassal]

You're half Slovak no? Is that your fathers side? Even Hungarians assimilated large amounts of Slavs. It definitely applies to you. Yet here you are speaking nonsense about Alexander the Great and Pella.

I2a-Y3120 is a young bloodline, and most branches in Greeks and Albanians are even younger and share distant matches with Slavs. It is a Slavic line. I also explained to you it's elevation in South Slavs is due to founder effects and bottlenecks. The most diversity for I2a1b-Y3120 seems to be around Southern Poland and Western Ukraine.

It reaches minimum 10-15 percent in the most Slavic countries. Everywhere Slavs were, it is found. Most people on FTDNA project, studies, and even here on Yfull, are mostly all Slavic or come from countries Slavs migrated to during the middle ages. The basa Y3120 sample is even Polish.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120/

Sorry delay, I had to help this little Italian guy that is here fix my water heater

No. My Father origin Vlach, also can be known as Old Romanian, not Roman or Romani this is something unrelated. I get 10 regions in Romania for 23andme that is my highest, but before I get 10 regions Romania I lost my Greece Islands regions that I had before

[MagnusDark]

Sorry delay, I had to help this little Italian guy that is here fix my water heater

No. My Father origin Vlach, also can be known as Old Romanian, not Roman or Romani this is something unrelated. I get 10 regions in Romania for 23andme that is my highest, but before I get 10 regions Romania I lost my Greece Islands regions that I had before

No worries. Well, Vlachs also absorbed Slavs as well. Somewhere in the Southern Balkans, before trekking to Romania. So whilst your recent historical ancestor paternally was still probably Vlach; his ancestor likely arrived with Slavic tribes or possibly some steppe folk that could have absorbed Proto-Slavs even. History is very chaotic and people time and again were shuffled back and forth.

My line for instance is mostly found in West Slavs and East Germans. So it probably arrived with Proto-Slavs, Avaro-Slavs, Bulgars or minimally East Germanics. However, my clade under R1a-L1029 seems to be Albanian specific and no one but Albanians have it. Our Albanian forefather likely lived around 800CE. His forefather though, was likely not Albanian and came from Central/Central-East Europe somewhere.

This type of scenario is possible in many different haplogroups. In the case of Y3120 most with the lineage are in fact Slavs. Which I also find interesting considering the ancestor of Y3120 probably was not Slavic. It seems Y3120 who was the last survivor was absorbed by Proto-Slavs and then later had a demographic boom with Slavs through his descendants.

For example if you look at that Y-Full tree, the parent clade of Y3120 was found in France(CTS10228), and the parent clade to CTS10228 are rare but found mainly in West Europe.

Something similar may or may not have occurred in L1029 under R1a. It formed between 3000-3100 years ago, however the most recent surviving ancestor that we all come from only lived between 2000-2100 years ago. So, many men that could have carried diversity in that line experienced near extermination, with only 1 surviving man carrying it eventually giving way to his descendants which number millions today.

[Daos777]

No worries. Well, Vlachs also absorbed Slavs as well. Somewhere in the Southern Balkans, before trekking to Romania. So whilst your recent historical ancestor paternally was still probably Vlach; his ancestor likely arrived with Slavic tribes or possibly some steppe folk that could have absorbed Proto-Slavs even. History is very chaotic and people time and again were shuffled back and forth.

My line for instance is mostly found in West Slavs and East Germans. So it probably arrived with Proto-Slavs, Avaro-Slavs, Bulgars or minimally East Germanics. However, my clade under R1a-L1029 seems to be Albanian specific and no one but Albanians have it. Our Albanian forefather likely lived around 800CE. His forefather though, was likely not Albanian and came from Central/Central-East Europe somewhere.

This type of scenario is possible in many different haplogroups. In the case of Y3120 most with the lineage are in fact Slavs. Which I also find interesting considering the ancestor of Y3120 probably was not Slavic. It seems Y3120 who was the last survivor was absorbed by Proto-Slavs and then later had a demographic boom with Slavs through his descendants.

For example if you look at that Y-Full tree, the parent clade of Y3120 was found in France(CTS10228), and the parent clade to CTS10228 are rare but found mainly in West Europe.

Something similar may or may not have occurred in L1029 under R1a. It formed between 3000-3100 years ago, however the most recent surviving ancestor that we all come from only lived between 2000-2100 years ago. So many man that could have carried diversity in that line experiences near extermination, with only 1 man carrying it eventually giving way to his descendants which number millions today.

I don’t think the dating of haplogroups is that accurate. I don’t remember the actual numbers I’ll need to find it but Haplo I1 is has a theoretical dating of ~3000 years but they found a 7000 year old skeleton who had it.

[Omanvassal]

No worries. Well, Vlachs also absorbed Slavs as well. Somewhere in the Southern Balkans, before trekking to Romania. So whilst your recent historical ancestor paternally was still probably Vlach; his ancestor likely arrived with Slavic tribes or possibly some steppe folk that could have absorbed Proto-Slavs even. History is very chaotic and people time and again were shuffled back and forth.

My line for instance is mostly found in West Slavs and East Germans. So it probably arrived with Proto-Slavs, Avaro-Slavs, Bulgars or minimally East Germanics. However, my clade under R1a-L1029 seems to be Albanian specific and no one but Albanians have it. Our Albanian forefather likely lived around 800CE. His forefather though, was likely not Albanian and came from Central/Central-East Europe somewhere.

This type of scenario is possible in many different haplogroups. In the case of Y3120 most with the lineage are in fact Slavs. Which I also find interesting considering the ancestor of Y3120 probably was not Slavic. It seems Y3120 who was the last survivor was absorbed by Proto-Slavs and then later had a demographic boom with Slavs through his descendants.

For example if you look at that Y-Full tree, the parent clade of Y3120 was found in France(CTS10228), and the parent clade to CTS10228 are rare but found mainly in West Europe.

Something similar may or may not have occurred in L1029 under R1a. It formed between 3000-3100 years ago, however the most recent surviving ancestor that we all come from only lived between 2000-2100 years ago. So, many men that could have carried diversity in that line experienced near extermination, with only 1 surviving man carrying it eventually giving way to his descendants which number millions today.

Brother you are mad, listen to yourself neutrally right now how much making a point of this doctored stories and legends matters to you and not to me. For me only matters facts

As somebody with the Proto Slav Scythian Y-DNA that you have, R1A, why are you telling me this? Your Paternal ancestor was Proto Slav not mine, it hurts a little for you but is not end of world

[MagnusDark]

I don’t think the dating of haplogroups is that accurate. I don’t remember the actual numbers I’ll need to find it but Haplo I1 is has a theoretical dating of ~3000 years but they found a 7000 year old skeleton who had it.

So from what I call all living I1 men descend from a common forefather around 4600ybp. I don't remember the exact time span. However, the I1 skeleton that was 7000 years old belongs to a now extinct clade of I1 who is ancestral to the surviving branch today. I1 formed 27-28000 years ago. The only man surviving with this lineage that gave way to all modern I1 only lived about 4600 years ago. That was my point with L1029. It formed 3100 years ago, but the oldest surviving man that all L1029 descend is only 2100 years ago.

If all I1 moderns or L1029 and Y3120 moderns descended from different men back then, there should be separate branches. This gives way to diversity. If we find someone who is negative for only one or 2 SNPs in a given clade, they would split the branch. Just like M417 splits into all of its branches.

All men who are Y3120 descend from one man because they directly carry a series of mutations from father to son. Even sons of 2 separate brothers are distinguishable. Whilst the dating methods are not exact, they are mostly in the right generation give or take some years.

[MagnusDark]

Brother you are mad, listen to yourself neutrally right now how much making a point of this doctored stories and legends matters to you and not to me. For me only matters facts

As somebody with the Proto Slav Scythian Y-DNA that you have, R1A, why are you telling me this? Your Paternal ancestor was Proto Slav not mine, it hurts a little for you but is not end of world

You're clearly a troll and don't care for facts. Carry on in your delusions. The facts don't agree with you. So what facts you follow aren't official

[21993]

Southern Cro-magnons.

[Omanvassal]

You're clearly a troll and don't care for facts. Carry on in your delusions. The facts don't agree with you. So what facts you follow aren't official

This the only facts: 92935

[Omanvassal]

Southern Cro-magnons.

That is right

[MagnusDark]

This the only facts: 92935

Nice try. That’s a isolated branch and it’s certainly not Ancient Greek. Keep coping.

[MagnusDark]

Southern Cro-magnons.

Cromagnid are extinct as a race. Y3120 only traces back to 100BC. Including all it’s descendants. Every apricity user acts like a professional geneticist. Do some research.

[Omanvassal]

Nice try. That’s a isolated branch and it’s certainly not Ancient Greek. Keep coping.

Ancient Greek? Is not their Haplogroup either..

Is ancient Thracian, I talked to gentleman from Pella Facebook before, he is Greek Vlach

[Omanvassal]

How I2 got to Greek Islands? They were discussing in FTDNA during Byzantine era mercenaries were relocated there from Constantinople

[Daos777]

So from what I call all living I1 men descend from a common forefather around 4600ybp. I don't remember the exact time span. However, the I1 skeleton that was 7000 years old belongs to a now extinct clade of I1 who is ancestral to the surviving branch today. I1 formed 27-28000 years ago. The only man surviving with this lineage that gave way to all modern I1 only lived about 4600 years ago. That was my point with L1029. It formed 3100 years ago, but the oldest surviving man that all L1029 descend is only 2100 years ago.

If all I1 moderns or L1029 and Y3120 moderns descended from different men back then, there should be separate branches. This gives way to diversity. If we find someone who is negative for only one or 2 SNPs in a given clade, they would split the branch. Just like M417 splits into all of its branches.

All men who are Y3120 descend from one man because they directly carry a series of mutations from father to son. Even sons of 2 separate brothers are distinguishable. Whilst the dating methods are not exact, they are mostly in the right generation give or take some years.

Is there anyway some subclades of I2 Haplogroup can be native to Balkans and did not come with Slavs? Because there are so many Neolithic Balkan cultures (starcevo, Cucuteni) ,that had very high I2. It was their main Haplo. It just doesn’t make sense in my mind that it would all die out there and only be brought back by Slavs.


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[Dick]

Congrats niggas

[ph2ter]

Here is P37 tree (the version from Februar 2019):

https://i.imgur.com/6Kgezp5.png

[ph2ter]

The two men circled in yellow are from Alsace-Lorraine and from Baden-Wurtemberg. This is the most probable area of origin of all Y3120. The first Y3120 lived about in 200 BC. In that time there lived only Celts:

https://i.imgur.com/hlwVq7z.png

[ph2ter]

Is there anyway some subclades of I2 Haplogroup can be native to Balkans and did not come with Slavs? Because there are so many Neolithic Balkan cultures (starcevo, Cucuteni) ,that had very high I2. It was their main Haplo. It just doesn’t make sense in my mind that it would all die out there and only be brought back by Slavs.


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Those old Balkan clades are not ancestral to Slavic clades of I-P37. Period.

[Omanvassal]

Those old Balkan clades are not ancestral to Slavic clades of I-P37. Period.

Buddy, you get German Saxony as 1 population, your graphic design BS has no value this not democracy here

[ph2ter]

Buddy, you get German Saxony as 1 population, your graphic design BS has no value this not democracy here

What democracy. You behave here as a terrorist.

[Daos777]

Those old Balkan clades are not ancestral to Slavic clades of I-P37. Period.

What are they ancestral to? Did they all die off?

[MagnusDark]

Is there anyway some subclades of I2 Haplogroup can be native to Balkans and did not come with Slavs? Because there are so many Neolithic Balkan cultures (starcevo, Cucuteni) ,that had very high I2. It was their main Haplo. It just doesn’t make sense in my mind that it would all die out there and only be brought back by Slavs.


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Oh of course. But you have to understand there are MANY I2 clades. A lot were found in ancient Balkans true. None of them were Y3120 which accounts for the near totality of I2 in most Balkan peoples. Including Albanians and Greeks. Y3120 was likely a survivor of some sort of East celtic group whose surviving descendant was absorbed by and participated in the ethnogenesis of the Slavs.

I2a2a was found in Balkan samples as well which is separate for I2a1b-Y3120. People like to claim how Sardinians have I2a1 and thst it’s native. However Sardinians are I2a1a not I2a1b. Also, the distance between these two brother clades are huge. Forget about the wider gap with their descendants. It goes back even further than recorded history.

This is not an argument for nativity of any and all clades. I2a1b could have been Celtic tribes like Gauls on the eastern periphery that were absorbed by Proto Slavs.

In order for your scenario to be applicable in the case of Y3120 there should be others that split this branch and their descendants. That’s not the case because all I2a1b-Y3120 which one almost totality is Slavic derived, descends from one man in 100BCE.

[ph2ter]

What are they ancestral to? Did they all die off?

Mostly. Related subclades are found today in West Europe.
Here is basic I2 tree:
https://i.imgur.com/PLBR4uo.png

[Cumansky]

Oh of course. But you have to understand there are MANY I2 clades. A lot were found in ancient Balkans true. None of them were Y3120 which accounts for the near totality of I2 in most Balkan peoples. Including Albanians and Greeks. Y3120 was likely a survivor of some sort of East celtic group whose surviving descendant was absorbed by and participated in the ethnogenesis of the Slavs.

I2a2a was found in Balkan samples as well which is separate for I2a1b-Y3120. People like to claim how Sardinians have I2a1 and thst it’s native. However Sardinians are I2a1a not I2a1b. Also, the distance between these two brother clades are huge. Forget about the wider gap with their descendants. It goes back even further than recorded history.

This is not an argument for nativity of any and all clades. I2a1b could have been Celtic tribes like Gauls on the eastern periphery that were absorbed by Proto Slavs.

In order for your scenario to be applicable in the case of Y3120 there should be others that split this branch and their descendants. That’s not the case because all I2a1b-Y3120 which one almost totality is Slavic derived, descends from one man in 100BCE.


Lol, is Celtic German people? Why I don't score German in autosomal report, you have to answer to that because I don't score any German..

[Omanvassal]

Mostly. Related subclades are found today in West Europe.
Here is basic I2 tree:
https://i.imgur.com/PLBR4uo.png

Why you think I am German? You think I don't know my origin as a dumbass croatian peasant hitler austroslav

[Jana]

The two men circled in yellow are from Alsace-Lorraine and from Baden-Wurtemberg. This is the most probable area of origin of all Y3120. The first Y3120 lived about in 200 BC. In that time there lived only Celts:

https://i.imgur.com/hlwVq7z.png

This.

[Ljubic]

Why you think I am German? You think I don't know my origin as a dumbass croatian peasant hitler austroslav

Lol, no one said you are. Haplogroups have next to no impact on your autosmal DNA.

[vbnetkhio]

Why you think I am German? You think I don't know my origin as a dumbass croatian peasant hitler austroslav

did you smoke the herb again? no offence, just askin'

[Omanvassal]

This.

I am doing thread to ask questions about Y-DNA test, I don't have my clade is all speculation no proof of anything

This graphic design can be easily doctored one, and two is not set in stone is always evolving new finding, and was created by a Croatian that cluster with Nazis. Hmm maybe I trust this guy..lol smh

[Omanvassal]

Lol, no one said you are. Haplogroups have next to no impact on your autosmal DNA.

Oh they do, for people that marry their close own tribe for multiple generations and centuries

[ph2ter]

Why you think I am German? You think I don't know my origin as a dumbass croatian peasant hitler austroslav

No, I don't think that you are a German or a Slovak-Hungarian peasant or anything civilized.
I think that you are a terrorist.

[Cumansky]

No, I don't think that you are a German or a Slovak-Hungarian peasant or anything civilized.
I think that you are a terrorist.

Ya it runs in family. You know is funny 2/3 of those Eastern Slovaks, Southwest Ukrainians, and Southeast Hungarians is my closest population matches is around still these days

[vbnetkhio]

Mostly. Related subclades are found today in West Europe.


where are these i2 subclades found today?
https://i.imgur.com/Nk59JAa.png

this is the chalcolithic

[Coolguy1]

Wow, some people on this forum are literally retarded.

[MagnusDark]

where are these i2 subclades found today?
https://i.imgur.com/Nk59JAa.png

this is the chalcolithic

I don’t know what the total frequency country to country is for these clades. However, based off Yfull samples:

L701: descendants range from north, west, south Europe. With the basal L701 being German. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L701/

Y5606: similar breakdown in moderns as L701. Basal is also a German. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y5606/

CTS10057: more prevalent with diverging branches. There’s even a small Slavic cluster that looks to have diverged some time around 1900BC. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10057/

Z161: more western and Northern European today. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z161/

L801: more common in western and Northern Europeans. A couple Albanians in the tree as well. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L801/

Y3992: mostly northwest and southwest Europeans. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3992/

L158: mostly northwest Europeans and some southwest Europeans. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L158/

M838: very small old and rare branch. I only see a Frenchman and German. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-M838/

S23680: seems Southwest European. Maybe the American samples are too. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S23680/

Couldn’t find M261, L59. Don’t know if it’s labeled differently on Yfull.

[ph2ter]

where are these i2 subclades found today?
https://i.imgur.com/Nk59JAa.png

this is the chalcolithic

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I2/

Type in search the clade name and then look.
For example Y3992 is exclusively West Europe.

Mostly West Europe.

[Dick]

I posted my 23andme result, ancestor location, and photo in FTDNA I2 Project and they assume I might be I-Y3120

92930

What can you tell me for this clade? Should I buy Y-37 test that is recommended. It seems to be 8 Greeks, 2 Pole, 1 Russian Tatar, 1 Albanian, 1 Lithuanian, 3 Belarusian and few that didn't list origin

I hear is only 3% of Polish populaczion have.

[Omanvassal]

I hear is only 3% of Polish populaczion have.

Without a wide distribution in my country can't be Slavic related, if it was Slavic related it will be widely distributed in Lithuania. In Poland 3-3.5% Dinaric and then 6% more Isles in total 9% I2 maybe double check that for confirm. I am Dinaric clade

Here is Europe Distribution of Dinaric clade:

Haplogroup I2 is the most common paternal lineage in former Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria and Sardinia, and a major lineage in most Slavic countries. Its maximum frequencies are observed in Bosnia (55%, including 71% in Bosnian Croats), Sardinia (39.5%), Croatia (38%), Serbia (33%), Montenegro (31%), Romania (28%), Moldova (24%), Macedonia (24%), Slovenia (22%), Bulgaria (22%), Belarus (18.5%), Hungary (18%), Slovakia (17.5%), Ukraine (13.5%), and Albania (13.5%). It is found at a frequency of 5 to 10% in Germanic countries.

[Jana]

Without a wide distribution in my country can't be Slavic related, if it was Slavic related it will be widely distributed in Lithuania. In Poland 3-3.5% Dinaric and then 6% more Isles in total 9% I2 maybe double check that for confirm. I am Dinaric clade

Here is Europe Distribution of Dinaric clade:

Haplogroup I2 is the most common paternal lineage in former Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria and Sardinia, and a major lineage in most Slavic countries. Its maximum frequencies are observed in Bosnia (55%, including 71% in Bosnian Croats), Sardinia (39.5%), Croatia (38%), Serbia (33%), Montenegro (31%), Romania (28%), Moldova (24%), Macedonia (24%), Slovenia (22%), Bulgaria (22%), Belarus (18.5%), Hungary (18%), Slovakia (17.5%), Ukraine (13.5%), and Albania (13.5%). It is found at a frequency of 5 to 10% in Germanic countries.

I2 dinaric doesn't exist in Sardinia.

[Omanvassal]

I2 dinaric doesn't exist in Sardinia.

What that has to do with anything? The rest of the countries is Dinaric

[Omanvassal]

Cheddar Man I2a2: 92945

[Ljubic]

What that has to do with anything? The rest of the countries is Dinaric

Doesnt mean the Suclade which is the most common one in the western Balkans is Dinaric. Just because scientists named it "Dinaric", doesnt mean it always was. This area supossedly suffered under massive depopulation and was repopulated by Slavs from behind the Carpathian mountains which today have a diverse set of I2 subclades compared to the western Balkans.

[ixulescu]

No worries. Well, Vlachs also absorbed Slavs as well. Somewhere in the Southern Balkans, before trekking to Romania.

Vlachs are a linguistic group, not an ethnic group. Vlachs in Romania (Romanians) are not the same ethnicity as Vlachs living south of Romania (of which the largest groups are the Aromanians).