View Full Version : Classify/passify Savonian Finnish girl
Ymyyakhtakh
11-21-2019, 09:50 PM
I don't know how much of her ancestry is from Savo, but she lives in Savo, she speaks in the Savo dialect, and her surname is common in Savo.
Savonians are considered "Eastern Finns proper", so Bertil Lundman also named his Eastern Finnish type (Savolaxid) after the Swedish name for Savo (Savolax). Savonians are genetically a mix between Karelians and Tavastians.
Does she pass as Khanty?
https://i.imgur.com/XnPONXy.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/BhoqR0b.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/zi9KxLF.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/NgfxJhk.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/4IbJ6C2.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/3LfK3Ba.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/Y83RSjW.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/CYzcmgk.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/jRAIsgy.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/9HxbARu.jpg
I imagine proto-Magyars looked just like that. :)
I imagine proto-Magyars looked just like that. :)
As far as I know proto-Magyars were not white people. Were they not related to the Turks?
As far as I know proto-Magyars were not white people. Were they not related to the Turks?
Hungarian language is Ugric, so make your conclusions.
I associate proto-Magyars with Turanids not with Savolaxid or other NE Euro phenotypes.
Does she pass as Khanty?
I think she pass much better as Khnaty than as proto-Magyars.
How common Turanid among Khanty people?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_yd1RJAwOEVpuGMVh4CA5pYhnB9LW1 ppMefP2l18mIpyFHLBh&s
Satem
11-21-2019, 10:46 PM
Textbook East Baltid imo. Pass as Komi
Ymyyakhtakh
11-21-2019, 10:55 PM
Neparáczki et al. 2019 (Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun, Avar and conquering Hungarian period nomadic people of the Carpathian Basin) (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5) did say that the Hungarian conquerors had similar paternal lineages as Bashkirs and Volga Tatars:
The origin and composition of the Conqueror paternal lineages fairly mirrors that of their maternal ones[10]; 20,7% of the Y-Hg-s originated from East Eurasia, this value is 30,4% for mtDNA; proportion of west Eurasian paternal lineages is 69% compared to 58,8% for mtDNA; while proportion of lineages with north-western European and Caucasus-Middle East origin are nearly the same affirming that both males and females of similar origin migrated together. Both MDS analysis of the entire Conqueror Y chromosome pool and PCA of their N1a lineages indicates that their admixture sources are found among Central Asians and eastern European Pontic Steppe groups, a finding comparable to what had been described for maternal lineages[10]. Composition of the Conqueror paternal lineages is very similar to that of Baskhirs, while their maternal composition was found most similar to Volga Tatars[10]. These modern populations are located next to each other, have similar prehistory[32] and genetic structure derived from the same admixture sources detected in the Conquerors. Moreover it must be noted that Bashkirs were not represented in the mitogenome database while Volga Tatars are missing from our Y-chromosome database due to lack of data, but their N1a distribution is quite similar (Fig. 7), thus mtDNA results are in accord with Y-chromosomal ones.
The Conqueror-Bashkir relations are also supported by historical sources, as early Hungarians of the Carpathian Basin were reported to be identical to Baskhirs by Arabic historians like al-Masudi, al-Qazwini, al-Balhi, al-Istahri and Abu Hamid al-Garnati[33], latter visited both groups at the same time around 1150 AD and used the term Bashgird to refer to the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin. In addition parallels were found between several Conqueror and Bashkir tribe names and Bashkiria has been identified with Magna Hungaria, the motherland of Conquerors[34].
Triska et al. 2017 (Between Lake Baikal and the Baltic Sea: genomic history of the gateway to Europe) (https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-017-0578-3) found that Bashkirs shared higher ancient IBD with Khanty than with Volga Tatars, and they suspected that the ancestors of Bashkirs shifted their language during the Turkic expansion:
Tatar share moderate amount of IBD (3.55–7.35 cM per pair) with all neighbouring populations, while Bashkir share most of their ancient blocks (on average 8.62 cM per pair) with Khanty, a group of Uralic speakers from Western Siberia. We speculate that this disparity between cultural and genetic affinities of Tatar and Bashkir can be attributed to a phenomenon of cultural dominance: the population ancestral to Bashkir adopted the Turkic language during Turkic expansion from the east (language replacement event).
https://i.imgur.com/FuMsVek.png
According to Post et al. 2019 (Y-chromosomal connection between Hungarians and geographically distant populations of the Ural Mountain region and West Siberia) (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44272-6#Sec10), Bashkirs share N3a4-B539 with Khanty and Mansi:
Hg N3a4-B535 (Fig. 3b) is common mostly among Finnic (Finns, Karelians, Vepsas, Estonians) and Saami speaking populations in North eastern Europe (Supplementary Table S3). The highest frequency is detected in Finns (~44%) but it also reaches up to 32% in Vepsas and around 20% in Karelians, Saamis and North Russians. The latter are known to have changed their language or to be an admixed population with reported similar genetic composition to their Finnic speaking neighbors[36]. The frequency of N3a4-B535 rapidly decreases towards south to around 5% in Estonians, being almost absent in Latvians (1%) and not found among Lithuanians. Towards east its frequency is from 1–9% among Eastern European Russians and populations of the Volga-Ural region such as Komis, Mordvins and Chuvashes, but it is absent among Tatars and Bashkirs with an exception of Burzyansky District Bashkirs where the frequency is up to 5% (Supplementary Table S3).
[...]
Hg N3a4-B539 (Fig. 3c), on the other hand, is prevalent among Turkic speaking Bashkirs and also found in Tatars but is entirely missing from other populations of the Volga-Ural region such as Uralic speaking Udmurts, Maris, Komis and Mordvins, and in Northeast Europe, where instead N3a4-B535 lineages are frequent. Besides Bashkirs and Tatars in Volga-Ural region, N3a4-B539 is substantially represented in West Siberia among Ugric speaking Mansis and Khantys. Among Hungarians, however, N3a4-B539 has a subtle frequency of 1–4% (Fig. 3d), which is surprising considering their distant location from the core area of N3a4-B539. The sub-clades of N3a4-B539 (B540 and B545) (Fig. 2) have partly overlapping distribution areas with highest frequency peaks of hg N3a4-B540/L1034 (Fig. 3e) in the Ural Mountain region. B540 is more widespread and the most frequent among different sub-populations of Bashkirs in Southern Urals (up to 60%) and in West Siberia among Ugric speaking Mansis and Khantys (up to 27%). It is also present in Uralic speaking Nenets (7%) and Turkic speaking Dolgans (5%) but missing from Uralic speaking Nganasans and Selkups. Although N3a4-B540 is prevalent in Bashkirs it has a considerably lower frequency among neighbouring Tatars (3–5%).
So it could be more that Bashkirs are Ugric rather than that Hungarians are Turkic.
Ymyyakhtakh
11-21-2019, 11:21 PM
I think she pass much better as Khnaty than as proto-Magyars.
How common Turanid among Khanty people?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_yd1RJAwOEVpuGMVh4CA5pYhnB9LW1 ppMefP2l18mIpyFHLBh&s
I tried doing morphs of approximately 15-45-year-old females in old photos of Khanty, Kazakhs, and Uzbeks, and they did end up looking completely different. The Khanty morph has the least sad-looking eyes, because it has the least prominent eyelids and the highest canthal tilt. It also has a more round face and a lower bridge of the nose.
https://i.imgur.com/5H8L9uN.jpg
But yeah, the girl in this thread has the same kind of extreme freakish face as the Khanty morph. Actually that's the most kawaii type.
MobyD
11-21-2019, 11:23 PM
East Baltid. Strange phenotype.
I think she pass much better as Khnaty than as proto-Magyars.
How common Turanid among Khanty people?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_yd1RJAwOEVpuGMVh4CA5pYhnB9LW1 ppMefP2l18mIpyFHLBh&s
Are you dumb? Khanty and Mansi are closest linguistic relatives of the Hungarians.
Modern Hungarians have zero to minimal Uralic genetics, and Hungarian conquerors who settled Panonnia were already extremely mixed with Iranics, Turkics, Caucasians, even Germanics.
Ymyyakhtakh
11-21-2019, 11:29 PM
Textbook East Baltid imo. Pass as Komi
Isn't she a bit extreme? Not even Lappid? Even though this is another textbook example of East Baltid from The Racial Elements of European History (https://www.theapricity.com/earlson/reeh/ebracegal2.htm) by Hans Günther:
https://i.imgur.com/7txDU3N.jpg
Are you dumb? Khanty and Mansi are closest linguistic relatives of the Hungarians.
Modern Hungarians have zero to minimal Uralic genetics, and Hungarian conquerors who settled Panonnia were already extremely mixed with Iranics, Turkics, Caucasians, even Germanics.
Phenotypically Hungrains are closer to Turkic people than to other Finno-Ugrics. One of the hotbeds of the Turan race in Europe is Hungary, the others are Bashkiria, Central Asia and Turkey.
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/turanid.gif
Nordische, Balticshe and Uralische types that are common among others Finno-Ugric do not exist in Hungaria. Hungraians are mainly Alpines.
Phenotypically Hungrains are closer to Turkic people than to other Finno-Ugrics. One of the hotbeds of the Turan race in Europe is Hungary, the others are the Bashkiria, Central Asia and Turkey.
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/turanid.gif
Nordische, Balticshe and Uralische types that are common among others Finno-Ugric do not exists in Hungaria. Hungraians are mainly Alpines.
False. Nordids and Baltid are common in Hungary and Uralid influence exist just like Turanid, just in minority.
My man's mother is Uralid influenced lol, and so is he in a very subtle way.
Uralid mixed Hungarian model
https://i.mdel.net/newfaces/i/2013/05/Bence-pola-02-750x1024.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/33/b1/d833b11fa236678791056dbf6de378cf.jpg
On the other hand Turanid and Alpine do not exist among other Finno-Ugric people.
Pribislav
11-21-2019, 11:36 PM
False. Nordids and Baltid are common in Hungary and Uralid influence exist just like Turanid, just in minority.
My man's mother is Uralid influenced lol, and so is he in a very subtle way.
Alfoeldi which is common in Hungary is Turanid + Gorid humanphenotypes.net/Alfoeld.html
On the other hand Turanid and Alpine do not exist among other Finno-Ugric people.
Nice, you discovered America. Hungarians are least genetically Uralic Uralic speakers.
False. Nordids and Baltid are common in Hungary and Uralid influence exist just like Turanid, just in minority.
Nordic and Baltic as population? I doubt that. Of course some Hungarians may have this phenotype but as a population it is very doubtful.
Satem
11-21-2019, 11:40 PM
Isn't she a bit extreme? Not even Lappid? Even though this is another textbook example of East Baltid from The Racial Elements of European History (https://www.theapricity.com/earlson/reeh/ebracegal2.htm) by Hans Günther:
https://i.imgur.com/7txDU3N.jpg
She could be but imho she is textbook East Baltid
Nordic and Baltic as population? I doubt that. Of course some Hungarians may have this phenotype but as a population it is very doubtful.
It's not majority, but pretty common. Let's say quater of population is Nordish and Baltoid predominately.
Anyway, here are Uralid mixed Hungarian scientists from group I posted recently:
http://gyorffy.semmelweis.hu/PICS/balazs.jpg
http://gyorffy.semmelweis.hu/PICS/lorinc.jpg
Alfoeldi which is common in Hungary is Turanid + Gorid humanphenotypes.net/Alfoeld.html
This type do not exist among Komi, Mari, Estonians or Khanty people.
Second is actually more East Baltic, but first is def. part Uralid.
Alfoeldi which is common in Hungary is Turanid + Gorid humanphenotypes.net/Alfoeld.html
It's in minority, like Uralid. Maybe Turanid is more common than Uralid in general, but it's still not among main phenotypes.
Btw, pure Uralid don't exist, but this admixture does.
Benyzero
11-21-2019, 11:48 PM
We are here for a century already, that would be strange if we would look like north east europeans on average. I image the old magyars as a southern shifted version of these komid types.. They were already mixed btw and not a homogenous ethnic group msot probably.
Bakha
11-21-2019, 11:48 PM
Lappid/East baltid
Good looking one
It's not majority, but pretty common. Let's say quater of population is Nordish and Baltoid predominately.
Anyway, here are Uralid mixed Hungarian scientists from group I posted recently:
http://gyorffy.semmelweis.hu/PICS/balazs.jpg
I don't see Uralische in him. Looks Austrian.
I don't see Uralische in him. Looks Austrian.
He looks like German mixed with Uralid, yes.
I don't see Uralische in him. Looks Austrian.
Austrians intermixed with Hungarians, pannonian Avars
I image the old magyars as a southern shifted version of these komid types.
Komi girls
https://i.imgur.com/JxVtryo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EB2Qo92.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X3cpt9q.jpg
Mari girls
https://i.imgur.com/3hlXCWx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/x8jc2H0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Gr1YddG.jpg
What is southern shifted version of komid type? Proto-Magyars were Turanids. Those girls even southern shifted can't pass as Hungarians or Proto-Magyars.
Some Hungarians look like Germans with Finno-Ugric admixture, example
https://scontent.fzag3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17917524_1289927741098017_2349639424038664197_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQn5eBlm8HxrJbj8xf5vhnG1eptBirL-kqMwKZEIPp0Df3QjVdtE9rJHskJKE1q15xE&_nc_ht=scontent.fzag3-1.fna&oh=91c970f74a506de492abd67bf6bd9526&oe=5DB90BFE
https://hungarynews.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/jobbik_vona_rig.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Di0siL_zrwk/maxresdefault.jpg
https://www.jobbik.hu/sites/default/files/bb_l8358_0.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/hungarianspectrum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Rig.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L6GVJkkbsIY/maxresdefault.jpg
He look very Hungarian to me, like a German mixed with Finno-Ugric minority from Russia :D
Another Magyar
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40945_104942986231702_1347416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlszlfmftMpzdKcjXmfrurPknni_I412L3_qrm1GeA 0BDM7ML7MZFDAPgkEYnuXdUE&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=56d173851d28b21cd9b88d637122b67d&oe=5E31ACCA
https://www.gajdapeter.hu/csapatom/Lackner-Csaba-web.jpg
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/58286_105024262890241_2052064_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQnq9m_k54k7gyFeTMjpn2Of1HgFt8SRgEEW9AlK8Wb BPFP9SQCBlLsL-woQMRxEvVM&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=80d457ca1caa669e7e432dfbc5160b39&oe=5E30B9D1
https://kep.cdn.indexvas.hu/1/0/2982/29828/298288/29828827_c62f0de1bc199a803681ccfe0c5ed265_wm.jpg
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/10446027_777352848990709_1476665167528515896_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQkYyQ3T4AkwwYtoLw6Iq9y5kr7dAYl589phSlrJdK3 othHzocw36i-LYHuR8OWlLoU&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=1ef1269eba7e5dd2b79746ccac9d655d&oe=5E1AA3D7
https://mandiner.hu/gallery/2019/Kereki%20Gerg%C5%91/Lackner.jpg
To me he has Finno-Ugric admixture. This guy don't look Slavic at all IMHO, he look like a result of sex between German and Komi xD
I already posted Hungarians like that.
He looks Uralo-Germanic.
More like straight up Siberian + German. I've seen all kinds in Budapest and he's not that atypical, yes.
Yes he looks nordid altered finno ugric.
a handsome man.
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 12:00 AM
Komi girls
https://i.imgur.com/JxVtryo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EB2Qo92.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X3cpt9q.jpg
Mari girls
https://i.imgur.com/3hlXCWx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/x8jc2H0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Gr1YddG.jpg
What is southern shifted version of komid type? Proto-Magyars were Turanids. Those girls even southern shifted can't pass as Hungarians or Proto-Magyars.
The maris are closer in look
chociprasa
11-22-2019, 12:01 AM
North Lappid.
The maris are closer in look
According to Russian anthropologists Komi people are mainly Nordic and Baltic type and also some Uralische. Mari people predominantly are Uralische or more correct Sub-Uralische because proper Uralische race are Khnaty, Mansi and Nenets people.
Nenets people
https://i.imgur.com/HUPnBUp.jpg
They are all very far from Turanids.
Turanids
https://varlamov.me/img/kurban_bairam13/11.jpg
I don't know how Turanid can be southern shifted version of Komid or Uralische types.
Ymyyakhtakh
11-22-2019, 12:18 AM
There's people who look pseudo-Mongoloid all over Central Europe. If Hungarians look Uralid, it probably has very little to do with their Ugric genes. (Even though none of the girls below really look Mongoloid in a Uralic-like way.)
https://i.imgur.com/lRmt8bW.jpg
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 12:56 AM
According to Russian anthropologists Komi people are mainly Nordic and Baltic type and also some Uralische. Mari people predominantly are Uralische or more correct Sub-Uralische because proper Uralische race are Khnaty, Mansi and Nenets people.
Nenets people
https://i.imgur.com/HUPnBUp.jpg
They are all very far from Turanids.
Turanids
https://varlamov.me/img/kurban_bairam13/11.jpg
I don't know how Turanid can be southern shifted version of Komid or Uralische types.
They have similar asioid features, but the first group is fair skinned while, the turanids are usually southern as I mentioned before. By the way you cant find these extreme turanid looks in hungary, as you can't find those extreme baltid looks neither.
By the way you cant find these extreme turanid looks in hungary, as you can't find those extreme baltid looks neither.
I think they pass much better as Hungrains than as Nenets. I saw that some users posted similar looking Hungarians but Hungarian users claimed that they are atypical.
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 01:10 AM
I think they pass much better as Hungrains than as Nenets. I saw that some users posted similar looking Hungarians but Hungarian users claimed that they are atypical.
Those people are not just atypical but straight up west asian-turk looking. There are people with medish skin and more southern features, but those are usually resemble balkanics rather than those people on that photo.
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 01:18 AM
Their east asian like feautres came from siberian admixture tho probably.
Those people are not just atypical but straight up west asian-turk looking. There are people with medish skin and more southern features, but those are usually resemble balkanics rather than those people on that photo.
By the way Turanid exists in Hungaria and do not exist among other Uralic people.
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/turanid.gif
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 01:25 AM
By the way Turanid exists in Hungaria and do not exist among other Uralic people.
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/turanid.gif
Because they are too pale to be classified as one, but basically the features are almost the same
Their east asian like feautres came from siberian admixture tho probably.
Not really. I don't know why people say Central Asians have Siberian admixture. They don't.
https://i.imgur.com/4GLOZ27.png
They have Yakut admixture because Yakuts are migrants from Central Asia living in Siberia but they don't have proper Siberian admixture (purple color). Neither Komi nor Mari have Yakut admixture but only Siberian.
Because they are too pale to be classified as one, but basically the features are almost the same
The fact is I can easily find Turanid looking Hungarians like those Uzbeks but you can't find Turanid looking Nenets.
Austrvegr
11-22-2019, 07:41 AM
Hungarian language is Ugric, so make your conclusions.
As far as I remember, of 2,000 word in the key Hungarian vocabulary some 500 are Turkic, some 500 are Slavic and some 1,000 are Ugric.
21993
11-22-2019, 08:18 AM
Lappid
Dominator
11-22-2019, 09:07 AM
Byzantine chronicles call Magyars Turks
Pansarkamrat
11-22-2019, 09:08 AM
Scando Lappid
I think they pass much better as Hungrains than as Nenets. I saw that some users posted similar looking Hungarians but Hungarian users claimed that they are atypical.
Loool, Nenets are super dark with black hair, black eyes, and they pass better in Mongolia and China than anywhere in Europe:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nenets&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqsP_U3P3lAhVrAGMBHUeiB6oQ_AUoAXoECBAQA w&biw=1920&bih=1007
They are brown chinks and don't look much different from brown central asians you posted to average European eyes.
Only in your fantasies they are light. Those very few light ones you post are mixed with Russians or atypical.
They are brown with very mongoloid features. Deal with it.
Loool, Nenets are super dark with black hair, black eyes, and they pass better in Mongolia and China than anywhere in Europe:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nenets&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqsP_U3P3lAhVrAGMBHUeiB6oQ_AUoAXoECBAQA w&biw=1920&bih=1007
They are brown chinks and don't look much different from brown central asians you posted to average European eyes.
Only in your fantasies they are light. Those very few light ones you post are mixed with Russians or atypical.
They are brown with very mongoloid features. Deal with it.
They look very noble compared to some "Europeans" especially from Southern and Central Europe.
They look very noble compared to some "Europeans" especially from Southern and Central Europe.
To you. Because you are Finno-Ugric from northern Russia. They look like average Asians to us.
They are brown with very mongoloid features. Deal with it.
Brown people live below 50 parallels.
To you. Because you are Finno-Ugric from northern Russia. They look like average Asians to us.
Because average Southern European pass as Uzbek or Tajik in Russia or among Finno-Ugric people.
Brown people live below 50 parallels.
Nope, brown people live in arctic region, just they are not even Caucasoid. Entire Asia is brown, deal with that.
About as Aryan as Nigerians
https://www.calvertjournal.com/images/uploads/thumbnails/Yamal/Unknown-6.jpeg
https://img1.baikalnatu.re/thumbnails/images/ea/6d/672ac0549645580c6ed1e3923e67.jpg
https://assets.survivalinternational.org/pictures/1799/nenets-0275_gallery_large.jpg
Nenets people
https://i.imgur.com/HUPnBUp.jpg
Southern Europeans. And these people claimed they are White. :rolleyes:
https://news.paddypower.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/bulgaria-national-football-team.jpg
http://24fudbal.com.mk/images/news/big/2016-03/JRFqX-_R1W8840.jpg
Much whiter than brown Nenet chinks, that's for sure.
About as Aryan as Nigerians
https://www.calvertjournal.com/images/uploads/thumbnails/Yamal/Unknown-6.jpeg
https://img1.baikalnatu.re/thumbnails/images/ea/6d/672ac0549645580c6ed1e3923e67.jpg
https://assets.survivalinternational.org/pictures/1799/nenets-0275_gallery_large.jpg
Yeah, look very noble. It is almost impossible to find bad-looking people among them. Europeans are full of strange-looking people, but of course they will argue that they are atypical.
http://static.bnr.bg/sites/radiobulgaria/sport/publishingimages/1807/12-09-08-94315_5.jpg
https://s-cdn.sportbox.ru/images/styles/upload/fp_fotos/4c/ed/9edadeb4cbe7fb2c2f0b31b3a900b3fc5602d6726791359001 4972.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/37/11/fd3711df1b0e2c832f0b5e98dfd071b6.jpg
http://static.bnr.bg/sites/horizont/sport/publishingimages/20926/12-08-06-87600_3.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/24/2014/324x324/250046698.jpg
Yeah, look very noble. It is almost impossible to find bad-looking people among them. Europeans are full of strange-looking people, but of course they will argue that they are atypical.
What are you doing on European forums? Go to Asian forums and leave Europeans alone.
What are you doing on European forums? Go to Asian forums and leave Europeans alone.
What I said is true. If I will post average crowd of some Europeans they will claim that they atypical and that their people look more European and Nordic. I've seen it a thousand times.
What are you doing on European forums? Go to Asian forums and leave Europeans alone.
Nenets people is indigenous people in Europe.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/48/f9/cb48f938e0a02eb25d6b7551fd5e8d5b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5IcZCLK.png
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 12:04 PM
What I said is true. If I will post average crowd of some Europeans they will claim that they atypical and that their people look more European and Nordic. I've seen it a thousand times.
You stated that those pure turanids pass here, lol. You don't know very much about the region. You compensate your borderline europeanness with how much northern your people are
That is Europe only in geographic books.
:popcorn: good thread, I am taking the train (EIC 40) 16:00 - please continue till 22:20 :rolleyes:
That is Europe only in geographic books.
Umm... Europe is a geographical term. In a cultural and historical sense, Europe ends somewhere on the border of Germany and Poland.
Umm... Europe is a geographical term. In a cultural and historical sense, Europe ends somewhere on the border of Germany and Poland.
It's obvious you live in fringes of Europe so it's not very clear what Europe is to you. Nenets are not Europeans, Russians are.
It's obvious you live in fringes of Europe so it's not very clear what Europe is to you. Nenets are not Europeans, Russians are.
Nenets are indigenous people in those places. Nenetsia is North-East Europe.
You stated that those pure turanids pass here, lol. You don't know very much about the region. You compensate your borderline europeanness with how much northern your people are
I don't even know what you're talking about. It's only Southern and some Central Europeans trying to prove how European they look. That's really funny.
I don't even know what you're talking about. It's only Southern and some Central Europeans trying to prove how European they look. That's really funny.
There is nothing to prove, central Europeans are most typical Europeans. Historically and culturally as well. It's obviously you who is complexed one.
Östsvensk
11-22-2019, 12:43 PM
Swedish singer E-Type is part Saami and looks like a blonder Finnish athlete named Tommi Evilä. E-Type claims 1/8 himself in something about "his grandmother's sister". Unless they were half sisters, he should be 1/4 though.
E-Type:
https://www.unitedstage.se/media/1120/Universal_E-type-87760_etoall_web_topbild.jpg
https://stoppapressarna.se/sites/default/files/styles/flexslider_full/public/artikelalbum/etype_stor1.jpg
https://img7.ntm.eu/oc/public/img/4596930/012925034/e-type-tavlar-i-melodifestival?w=980&h=551&anchor=topcenter&bgcolor=222&scale=both
Evilä:
https://anna.fi/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/evila-1024x650.jpg
https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/338877dafd3a410d971eafe431e7de88.jpg
https://img.ilcdn.fi/h9hWTdnrwFT_RDeQt0_ebYbRN_U=/full-fit-in/612x/img-s3.ilcdn.fi/d42b3fdd0383e9f72617966953f08ee5038384e6d6428040bd 8f30921179939a.jpg
It looks like Uralid/Amerindian/Mongoloid features do not dilute so easily as some say. I guess that Croatian user Roberto had a point in cautioning Southern Europeans to mix with non-IE peoples like Finns. :p
^^^^Robocop was a troll sometimes. Finns are Europeans and even these Finno-Ugrics from Russia are mostly European (borderline though). But Nenets aren't, lol.
He was a mediterranist and southern Euro supremacist. He didn't even cherish our Slavic heritage, probably because of his quater Italian part.
^^^^Robocop was a troll sometimes. Finns are Europeans and even these Finno-Ugrics from Russia are mostly European (borderline though). But Nenets aren't, lol.
He was a mediterranist and southern Euro supremacist. He didn't even cherish our Slavic heritage, probably because of his quater Italian part.
If Poles and Hungarians are Europenas then Nenets are Europeans too. If you mean that they do not look like other Europeans then in this case the Bulgarians and Hungarians also do not look like other Europeans like the Swedes for example.
If Poles and Hungarians are Europenas then Nenets are Europeans too. If you mean that they do not look like other Europeans then in this case the Bulgarians and Hungarians also do not look like other Europeans like the Swedes for example.
Don't be ridiculous, they are million times closer to Swedes than Nenets are to any other Europeans.
If what you claim is true, than Europe is not only white people's continent but like Asia multi-racial continent.
Yet Nenets are total exceptions and nobody considers their arctic region Europe since Europe-Asia border is very arbitrary.
They are European on paper only.
Europe is primarily a geographical term. All indigenous peoples living in Europe are Europeans. If we approach the term Europe from the cultural and historical point of view as it is understood by Western Europeans then the lands East of the Oder are Asia.
Europe is primarily a geographical term. All indigenous peoples living in Europe are Europeans. If we approach the term Europe from the cultural and historical point of view as it is understood by Western Europeans then the lands East of the Oder are Asia.
Which is false because historically Poland shares more with Germany than with Russia. Their society and culture was quite similar to other Catholics and even in one point of history majority of Polish nobility converted to Protestantism. You are drawing the line based on Iron Curtain from 1945 and ignoring previous 1000 years.
But Russia is not Asia either, so your argument doesn't stand. Orthodox Christians in Europe were/are culturally European.
Don't be ridiculous, they are million times closer to Swedes than Nenets are to any other Europeans.
What do you mean closer? Bulgarians and Swedes are two different worlds. Bulgarian users have already insulted me, my sister and my people a hundred times. They behave savages in this sense they are closer to Caucasians and others MENA people. Nenets are culturally fully Europeanized people they do not behave like savages.
Östsvensk
11-22-2019, 01:20 PM
^^^^Robocop was a troll sometimes. Finns are Europeans and even these Finno-Ugrics from Russia are mostly European (borderline though). But Nenets aren't, lol.
He was a mediterranist and southern Euro supremacist. He didn't even cherish our Slavic heritage, probably because of his quater Italian part.
I got that he was out for trolling and I was just being funny. Although he did not like Finns, but even said that Scandinavians were all Mongoloid, lol. Even if the vast majority of Scandinavians do not have any Siberian above noise level, save for Far North Swedes and Norwegians possibly, a few East Norwegians and Swedes from the counties of Dalarna and Värmland. No Swede or Norwegian have it above 2-3%.
What do you mean closer? Bulgarians and Swedes are two different worlds. Bulgarian users have already insulted me, my sister and my people a hundred times. They behave savages in this sense they are closer to Caucasians and others MENA people. Nenets are culturally fully Europeanized people they do not behave like savages.
Caucasians like Georgians who are not Europeans pass much easier for Europeans than mongoloid Nenets do.
Genetically Bulgarians are closer to Swedes than Nenets are, be sure about it. Because all Europeans are made of similar components, just in different proportions.
I got that he was out for trolling and I was just being funny. Although he did not like Finns, but even said that Scandinavians were all Mongoloid, lol. Even if the vast majority of Scandinavians do not have any Siberian above noise level, save for Far North Swedes and Norwegians possibly, a few East Norwegians and Swedes from the counties of Dalarna and Värmland. No Swede or Norwegian have it above 2-3%.
Scandinnavians are much whiter than Croats on average, obviously. Because being white was coined with NW Europeans in mind. I don't know what was he trolling about.
Because my father is a Croat for example, and he is around 2% mongoloid. Very minor admixture like that is not overly rare here.
Caucasians like Georgians who are not Europeans pass much easier for Europeans than mongoloid Nenets do.
Yeah, all Caucasians pass in Southern Europe I've always said that. I also always said that the Komi and Mari pass only as Aryans in the countries below the 50 parallel.
Genetically Bulgarians are closer to Swedes than Nenets are, be sure about it.
Bulgarians pass as MENA in Scandianvia.
Yeah, all Caucasians pass in Southern Europe I've always said that. I also always said that the Komi and Mari pass only as Aryans in the countries below the 50 parallel.
They can pass only in Balkans, and mostly eastern parts. Here I am speaking about Georgians. Armenians look too foreign for Europe.
Even Chechens and Circassians don't pass in Balkans that well, they look pretty unique overall.
Komi and Mari are mostly European, unlike Nenets. And there is nothing Aryan about them.
Bulgarians pass as MENA in Scandianvia.
Nenets pass as Chinese in Scandinavia. Eventually as Saami who were treated as subhumans by Germanics for a long time.
There are swarthy Scandinavians after all, and some of them can pass in southern Europe. And there are some northern European looking Bulgarians.
And there are some northern European looking Bulgarians.
They exist only as individuals. I can also post European looking Nenets and claim that they are typical.
https://i.imgur.com/tegO2cE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vXTBFVV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/He8E4Ny.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SBrk7Pq.jpg
They exist only as individuals. I can also post European looking Nenets and claim that they are typical.
https://i.imgur.com/tegO2cE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vXTBFVV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/He8E4Ny.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SBrk7Pq.jpg
Nenets need foreign admixture to look northern European, Bulgarians don't. There are Nordic and Baltic pure Bulgarians (minority ofcourse), while Nordic and Baltic pure Nenets don't exist.
Deal with it and bye bye troll :)
pelikarski
11-22-2019, 01:49 PM
Bulgarians pass as MENA in Scandianvia.
Even if they don't pass as Scandinavians, Scandinavians will know they are from Europe.
I would pass better as a Swede than any MENA, be sure about it
pelikarski
11-22-2019, 01:52 PM
Nenets need foreign admixture to look northern European, Bulgarians don't. There are Nordic and Baltic pure Bulgarians (minority ofcourse), while Nordic and Baltic pure Nenets don't exist.
Deal with it and bye bye troll :)
Baltids/Neo Danubian are not typical but frequent
Nenets need foreign admixture to look northern European, Bulgarians don't. There are Nordic and Baltic pure Bulgarians (minority ofcourse), while Nordic and Baltic pure Nenets don't exist.
Deal with it and bye bye troll :)
In anthropological terms, the Nenets belong to the Ural contact small race, for the representatives of which is characterized by a combination of anthropological features inherent in both Caucasians and Mongoloids. Due to the wide settlement, the Nenets anthropologically divided into a number of groups, demonstrating the main tendency to reduce the proportion of Mongoloid from East to West. A small degree of severity of the Mongoloid complex is recorded in forest Nenets. The overall picture is accompanied by a discrete, focal localization of Caucasoid and Mongoloid traits, which is explained both by interethnic contacts and the relative isolation of individual territorial groups of the Nenets.
https://cbse.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Nentsyi.pdf
I have never seen a pure Nordic among southern Europeans. Depigmented Med is not pure Nordic.
There are Nordic and Baltic pure Bulgarians (minority ofcourse), while Nordic and Baltic pure Nenets don't exist.
There are no pure Nordics even among the Mari let alone Nenets, Bulgarians or other Southern Europeans..
Bulgarians are mainly Meds, Dinarics and Alpines. Mari predominantly Sub-Uralische and Nenets Uralische. Why look for Nordic where they may not be, by definition?
pelikarski
11-22-2019, 02:12 PM
Bulgarians are mainly Meds, Dinarics and Alpines. Mari predominantly Sub-Uralische and Nenets Uralische. Why look for Nordic where they may not be, by definition?
The Bulgarians are a composite people, with the following racial elements easily discernible: (a) a medium to tall-statured Atlanto-Mediterranean; (b) a partially blond Neo-Danubian, of typical snub-nosed form; (c) a Nordic; (d) a Dinaric, with the usual Alpine corollary; (e) a brachycephalic central Asiatic Turkish or Tatar form.
Even if they don't pass as Scandinavians, Scandinavians will know they are from Europe.
I would pass better as a Swede than any MENA, be sure about it
When in 2015 there was a crisis in Europe tourists from Bulgaria and Romania were insulted and tried to beat in Estonia because people thought they were refugees. Scanidnavians are too tolerate.
There are no pure Nordics even among the Mari let alone Nenets, Bulgarians or other Southern Europeans..
Maybe it's time for you to leave your sub-arctic village and visit Europe.
Italians
https://i.imgur.com/iXCs5uO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5YHxVZM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/L2GIsHJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2rSfIqR.png
https://i.imgur.com/KHFedsd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BbCk5UW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XyZLlwG.png
https://i.imgur.com/wi7GX1c.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TR6zgj8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kBaAyqt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kqtyHYN.png
https://i.imgur.com/dAU2LDJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/pwSUgja.png
pelikarski
11-22-2019, 02:16 PM
When in 2015 there was a crisis in Europe tourists from Bulgaria and Romania were insulted and tried to beat in Estonia because people thought they were refugees. Scanidnavians are too tolerate.
Source please
You would maybe not beat there but 99% other Bulgarians easily.
Maybe it's time for you to leave your sub-arctic village and visit Europe.
Italians
North Italia is not Southern Europe.
North Italia is not Southern Europe.
They are not North Italian, they are Italians from all over Italy. And northern Italians are genetically southern European, they cluster with Spanish, Portugese and southern French on average.
As individual you can find Nordic everywhere even among Southern Europeans as population never.
pelikarski
11-22-2019, 02:32 PM
You would maybe not beat there but 99% other Bulgarians easily.
Bulgarians will be recognized as Europeans whenever they go, a small minority look borderline indeed, but it is a Slavic country located South.
Meanwhile We have all four seasons, beautiful mountain and sea resorts, while you live in the fucking Russian tundra. I would never trade place with you
Very jealous you must be
ooops
11-22-2019, 03:13 PM
Going by Laag’s logic
The first guy is whiter than most Southern Europeans
https://i.ibb.co/L0qVG6d/26830ac57b486fc8c2da73e8b87a1d94.jpg https://i.ibb.co/bFWntbx/original-andrea-pirlo-italian-style-43-jpg-e7adf20b.jpg
The reality is
Dark Europeans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ''white'' Asians from Russia
She looks Mongoloid admixed, so I guess she would not be atypical as a Khanty.
Östsvensk
11-22-2019, 03:38 PM
She looks Mongoloid admixed, so I guess she would not be atypical as a Khanty.
All Finns are Mongoloid-admixed, even those who don't look it.
Maybe it's time for you to leave your sub-arctic village and visit Europe.
Italians
https://i.imgur.com/iXCs5uO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5YHxVZM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/L2GIsHJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2rSfIqR.png
https://i.imgur.com/KHFedsd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BbCk5UW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XyZLlwG.png
https://i.imgur.com/wi7GX1c.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TR6zgj8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kBaAyqt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kqtyHYN.png
https://i.imgur.com/dAU2LDJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/pwSUgja.png
CM and Dinaric admixture
All Finns are Mongoloid-admixed, even those who don't look it.
Most are not, only some ~5% or so.
Source please
I could not find the article because it was a long time ago but there were many such cases in Europe when southern Europeans were confused with refugees.
A Portuguese man was beaten in Poland because he was mistaken for a refugee. In his place could be any Bulgarian or other Southern European.
https://www.portugalresident.com/portuguese-students-offered-protection-in-poland-after-racist-attack/
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 05:20 PM
They are not North Italian, they are Italians from all over Italy. And northern Italians are genetically southern European, they cluster with Spanish, Portugese and southern French on average.
These people carry those lombardian genes hard :D Yes there are some North Italians who look like Mario Girotti (Terrence Hill), I can confirm that.
CM and Dinaric admixture
Nope, they would never be guessed as southern Europeans anywhere. Some examples are purely Nordic, and they are lighter than you.
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 05:24 PM
Nope, they would never be guessed as southern Europeans anywhere. Some examples are purely Nordic, and they are lighter than you.
Norb destroyed, buckle up nibba.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/gtakVlnStZUbe/giphy.gif
Nope, they would never be guessed as southern Europeans anywhere. Some examples are purely Nordic, and they are lighter than you.
Agree that they wouldn't be guessed as Southern but they are not pure Nordid. CM and Dinaric admixture to my eye. They look central European not Northern...
They are lighter than me but nowhere near as Nordid and probably not R1a either
Benyzero
11-22-2019, 05:27 PM
Agree that they wouldn't be guessed as Southern but they are not pure Nordid. CM and Dinaric admixture to my eye. They look central European not Northern...
Good comeback, the ball at the visitors now.
Agree that they wouldn't be guessed as Southern but they are not pure Nordid. CM and Dinaric admixture to my eye. They look central European not Northern...
They are lighter than me but nowhere near as Nordid and probably not R1a either
Many of these are pure Nordid and easily fit in Scandinavia. Ancestral R1a was not Nordid but Amerindian looking. And haplogroups have nothing to do with phenotype, lol.
Östsvensk
11-22-2019, 05:45 PM
As if Dinaric traits are not found in Northern Europe. Although it is far from typical and even Norid types come off a bit foreign-looking, it is still found in native Northern Europeans.
Babben Larsson, from the Baltic island of Gotland, Sweden:
https://babben.se/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/babben2-copia.jpg
https://static-cdn.sr.se/sida/images/2071/3226449_2048_1146.jpg?preset=1200x675
http://bokastandup.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/BabbenLarsson300-300x300.jpg
aherne
11-22-2019, 06:02 PM
Transitional type between Uralic and Siberian Mongoloid. Completely unpassable anywhere but NE Europe...
Ymyyakhtakh
11-22-2019, 06:21 PM
Loool, Nenets are super dark with black hair, black eyes, and they pass better in Mongolia and China than anywhere in Europe
What about the Nenets Autonomous Okrug? It's part of Europe too. Using the common definition for the border between Europe and Asia, a small part of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug is also considered to be part of Europe. Sápmi, Mari El, and Bashkiria are also part of Europe, and a lot of Nenetses pass better as Saami, Mari, or Bashkir than as Chinese.
Siberian admixture is the norm in the northernmost parts of Europe, and has been for at least around 4,000 years (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(19)30424-5) (and even before that there was heavy ANE admixture). Based on the latitude returned when searching on Google Maps, these are the northernmost countries and autonomous regions of Europe (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307402-Northernmost-countries-and-autonomous-regions-of-Europe&p=6345546#post6345546):
67.90: Nenets Autonomous Okrug
64.62: Finland
64.59: Iceland
63.60: Republic of Karelia
63.53: Komi Republic
The native population of 4 out of 5 of the regions above is about 10% Siberian or more. And the list above is even missing Sápmi (whose average latitude is about 67 or 66).
Loool, Nenets are super dark with black hair, black eyes, and they pass better in Mongolia and China than anywhere in Europe:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nenets&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqsP_U3P3lAhVrAGMBHUeiB6oQ_AUoAXoECBAQA w&biw=1920&bih=1007
They are brown chinks and don't look much different from brown central asians you posted to average European eyes.
Only in your fantasies they are light. Those very few light ones you post are mixed with Russians or atypical.
They are brown with very mongoloid features. Deal with it.
Siberians and East Asians are not brown people, but Southern Europeans are. Being brown is not only a matter of pigmentation, but also behavior and overall demeanor. Even the average Northern Europeans act more brown than the average Japanese.
I searched VKontakte for all female users who matched "Serotetto" (a Nenets surname) and whose age was listed as between 16 and 30: https://vk.com/search?c%5Bage_from%5D=16&c%5Bage_to%5D=30&c%5Bcountry%5D=1&c%5Bper_page%5D=40&c%5Bphoto%5D=1&c%5Bq%5D=serotetto&c%5Bsection%5D=people&c%5Bsex%5D=1.
I then downloaded up to 4 latest profile pictures of each user:
va(){ curl -Gd v=5.37 -d access_token="$vkacc" https://api.vk.com/method/"$1";}
while read l;do va "photos.get?owner_id=$l&album_id=profile"|jq -r '.response.items[]?|(.owner_id|tostring)+" "+(.id|tostring)+" "+(.photo_2560//.photo_1280//.photo_807//.photo_604//.photo_130//.photo_75)';done>/tmp/pro
mkdir /tmp/dl
sort -rnk2 /tmp/pro|awk '++a[$1]<=4'|parallel -j20 -C' ' curl {3} -so /tmp/dl/{1}_{2}.jpg
I then used OpenCV and ImageMagick to crop out faces from the photos, and I selected one picture of each user which I assumed to be of the user themselves, and which clearly displayed the face of the user. There was no such picture of many users, but here are the 64 first such pictures:
https://i.imgur.com/FXmAqHe.jpg
Almost none of the girls in the image above could pass as East Asian (at least to my trained weeb eye). Nenetses don't really look like mixes between East Asians and Northern Europeans either, and they definitely don't look Central Asian. Samoyeds, Ob-Ugrics, and Kets are their own type of people.
Ymyyakhtakh
11-22-2019, 06:29 PM
Transitional type between Uralic and Siberian Mongoloid. Completely unpassable anywhere but NE Europe...
I think she could also pass in West Siberia as Komi or Mansi. Or she could pass as Saami in Northwest Europe (Norway or Sweden).
Uralid/Uralic proper (called Oby by Bunak) is a Sibrid type, and it refers to the type of Khanty and Mansi (http://humanphenotypes.net/Uralid.html):
Description:
West Sibirid subtype, especially common in the basin of the Ob River among Khanty and Mansi people. Sometimes in Altai and Khakassia. Due to the harsh Siberian climate, this type was never very numerous. Today, the indigenous groups are largely outnumbered by Russians.
Physical Traits:
Light brown skin, straight or wavy, usually brown, sometimes red, blonde, or black hair and mixed eyes. Short, macroskelic, endomorph. Mesocephalic, chamaecranic with a mesorrhine, moderately prominent, and occasionally plump nose (especially in females). The face is flat in some individuals. Hair growth is average, cheekbones and the folds of the upper eyelids are strong. Lips very thin.
Literature:
The type was named Uralic by Bunak (1932), who divided it as the Uralic proper (Oby variant) from Sub Uralic (~Volgid). This was adopted by later Russian authors (e.g. Alexeev, 1979). Biasutti (1967) also defined an Uralid race. Described as a West Sibirid Obid subrace by Lundman (1943, 1952), part of West Sibirid for Eickstedt (1952).
^^^^they look heavily mongoloid and average European hardly sees distance between them and Chinese (I do), just like some northern Europeans can confuse southern Europeans and middle easterners.
It's not the same to be 5-20% Siberian or to be mostly Siberian lol.
Nenets look like different race compared to Finns or Russians. Mari, Komi....are more mongoloid than Finns and Russians but still it is not overly much. Unlike Nenets.
For me Komi are borderline white like some more MENA-admixed south Italians/Greek islanders, but Nenets are not white a all. They have some Euro admixture, but it's too little.
African-Americans and Central Asians have some too and they aren't white.
Btw, Finns are only 5% mongoloid on average since most of population is in southwestern Finland. And eastern Finns who are minority are ''only'' around 8-10% Siberian.
For me Komi are borderline white like some more MENA-admixed south Italians/Greek islanders, but Nenets are not white a all. They have some Euro admixture, but it's too little.
Komi people are most Nordic shifted nation in Eastern Europe. Even not MENA-admixed Southern Euroepans hardly look White by Komi standart.
Italian botanist Stefano Sommier.
Komi are beautiful people, strong and dexterous. They have white skin, mostly light or light brown hair, eyes of a heavenly or gray color; men often have large beards. Facial features are sometimes beautiful and correct. In contrast to the Ostyaks and the Samoyeds, they have sunken eyes, straight or aquiline (but not always flattened at the base) of the nose. Many of them can be confused with Russians, especially since they dress the same. Russians have a lot of Finnish blood and Komi have a lot of Russian blood because of long-term contacts. Often, however, outwardly the Komi especially the women, in whom the original features of the people are most preserved, reminded me of their relatives, the Quen, the Germanized Finns, whom I had seen in Lapland. I think sometimes I see in them a marked resemblance to the Norwegians.
Cheboksarov.
It is difficult to find in Eastern Europe a group that in anthropological appearance would be so much like the Norwegians as the Udora Komi. Tall, mesocephaly, light color of hair and eyes, medium-wide and high on the European scale face, narrow protruding nose with a straight back, etc. - all these features bring together the udor Komi with the population of the Scandinavian Peninsula. In the softened, mixed forms, the same features are expressed in other groups of the Northern Komi – on the upper Mezen, on the Udder, on the lower Vychegda, etc.
And it's silly to compare Siberain admixture and MENA admixture. Siberian admixture come from UP population of Siberia and people with Siberian admixture pass as Aryans in most European countries.
Komi people are most Nordic shifted nation in Eastern Europe. Even not MENA-admixed Southern Euroepans hardly look White by Komi standart.
Italian botanist Stefano Sommier.
Komi are beautiful people, strong and dexterous. They have white skin, mostly light or light brown hair, eyes of a heavenly or gray color; men often have large beards. Facial features are sometimes beautiful and correct. In contrast to the Ostyaks and the Samoyeds, they have sunken eyes, straight or aquiline (but not always flattened at the base) of the nose. Many of them can be confused with Russians, especially since they dress the same. Russians have a lot of Finnish blood and Komi have a lot of Russian blood because of long-term contacts. Often, however, outwardly the Komi especially the women, in whom the original features of the people are most preserved, reminded me of their relatives, the Quen, the Germanized Finns, whom I had seen in Lapland. I think sometimes I see in them a marked resemblance to the Norwegians.
Cheboksarov.
It is difficult to find in Eastern Europe a group that in anthropological appearance would be so much like the Norwegians as the Udora Komi. Tall, mesocephaly, light color of hair and eyes, medium-wide and high on the European scale face, narrow protruding nose with a straight back, etc. - all these features bring together the udor Komi with the population of the Scandinavian Peninsula. In the softened, mixed forms, the same features are expressed in other groups of the Northern Komi – on the upper Mezen, on the Udder, on the lower Vychegda, etc.
They don't look Nordic on average, these old anthropologists need to be taken with grain of salt. They are too brachy, borealised and infantile looking on average.
And we need to take in account lot of them have Russian admixture today.
And it's silly to compare Siberain admixture and MENA admixture. Siberian admixture come from UP population of Siberia and people with Siberian admixture pass as Aryans in most European countries.
It's the same, both are equally foreign. Btw, nazis would classify these people as subhuman based on their looks.
Caucasians like Georgians who are not Europeans pass much easier for Europeans than mongoloid Nenets do.
Genetically Bulgarians are closer to Swedes than Nenets are, be sure about it. Because all Europeans are made of similar components, just in different proportions.
You said that Finns are Europeans. But the Finns have high Siberia and the Nenets Siberia is even higher. Both have other European components. So the Finns and Nenets are Europeans? Do they have the same components? The Croats do not have Siberia, so the Croats are not Europeans? Or Siberia is a non-European component? Then why was Siberia present in significant numbers among the first Yamnaya culture Europeans?
And it's silly to compare Siberain admixture and MENA admixture. Siberian admixture come from UP population of Siberia and people with Siberian admixture pass as Aryans in most European countries.
Ancient arians had an admixture of Siberia up to 10%
Then Siberia was supplanted by Anatolian farmers - MENA
It's the same, both are equally foreign. Btw, nazis would classify these people as subhuman based on their looks.
Are you talking about those Nazis whose leader wet his pants in his bunker and put a bullet in his forehead? In Russia, they are perceived as losers. Who cares what losers think?
Are you talking about those Nazis whose leader wet his pants in his bunker and put a bullet in his forehead? In Russia, they are perceived as losers. Who cares what losers think?
You, apparently. You're using their terminology.
You said that Finns are Europeans. But the Finns have high Siberia and the Nenets Siberia is even higher. Both have other European components. So the Finns and Nenets are Europeans? Do they have the same components? The Croats do not have Siberia, so the Croats are not Europeans? Or Siberia is a non-European component? Then why was Siberia present in significant numbers among the first Yamnaya culture Europeans?
They don't have high Siberian lol. They are about 5% Siberian on average. Nenets are mongoloids.
And Yamnaya had no Siberian, only few percent Amerindian which is nothing. Here is Yamnaya kit on gedmatch
Admix Results (sorted):
1 Baltic 41.42
2 West_Asian 31.04
3 North_Atlantic 20.51
4 South_Asian 4.19
5 Amerindian 2.84
Single Population Sharing:
1 Ukrainian_Belgorod 22.45
2 Erzya 23.9
3 Southwest_Russian 24.22
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 24.81
5 Tatar 24.99
6 Kargopol_Russian 25.17
7 Russian_Smolensk 25.39
8 Ukrainian 25.72
9 South_Polish 25.88
10 Moldavian 25.98
11 Polish 26.21
12 Croatian 26.55
13 Estonian_Polish 26.96
14 Belorussian 27.25
15 Lithuanian 27.88
16 Hungarian 28.63
17 Chuvash 28.9
18 Tabassaran 29
19 Estonian 29.15
20 Finnish 29.42
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 51.1% Lithuanian + 48.9% Tabassaran @ 10.65
2 53% Lithuanian + 47% Lezgin @ 11.43
3 56% Erzya + 44% Tabassaran @ 11.74
4 52.9% Lithuanian + 47.1% Chechen @ 11.75
5 50.2% Tabassaran + 49.8% Estonian @ 11.97
6 58.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.7% Tabassaran @ 12.33
7 54.5% Kargopol_Russian + 45.5% Tabassaran @ 12.34
8 54.2% Russian_Smolensk + 45.8% Tabassaran @ 12.47
9 51.8% Estonian + 48.2% Lezgin @ 12.53
10 58.1% Erzya + 41.9% Lezgin @ 12.63
11 50.7% Tabassaran + 49.3% East_Finnish @ 12.8
12 65% Lithuanian + 35% Balochi @ 12.81
13 51.7% Estonian + 48.3% Chechen @ 12.82
14 52% Belorussian + 48% Tabassaran @ 12.82
15 52.3% Estonian_Polish + 47.7% Tabassaran @ 12.86
16 58.2% Erzya + 41.8% Chechen @ 12.97
17 65.8% Lithuanian + 34.2% Brahui @ 12.98
18 56.5% Kargopol_Russian + 43.5% Lezgin @ 13.04
19 57.8% Lithuanian + 42.2% North_Ossetian @ 13.07
20 60.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39.5% Lezgin @ 13.09
Are you talking about those Nazis whose leader wet his pants in his bunker and put a bullet in his forehead? In Russia, they are perceived as losers. Who cares what losers think?
MENA often recalls Hitler as his idol. They don’t own the story, they don’t remember how this shitty farmer poop in his pants when he sees the approaching army of Aryans from the east.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/94/70/ff9470ea4874c50fb1c90dad24e794c0.jpg
Ymyyakhtakh
11-22-2019, 07:36 PM
Btw, Finns are only 5% mongoloid on average since most of population is in southwestern Finland. And eastern Finns who are minority are ''only'' around 8-10% Siberian.
I'm a wannabe Mongoloid so I want to round up even 5.001% to 10%, and 5% is probably too little. Also the Siberian ancestry gets bigger if you count the ANE in EHG and steppe as part Siberian.
A lot of Southwestern Finns have Eastern Finnish or Karelian ancestry, including me. Helsinki is in Southwestern Finland, but it was a small town until 1810 when Emperor Alexander I moved the capital of Finland from Turku to Helsinki, and much of the population of Helsinki has come from Eastern Finland or Karelia. After WW2, about 410,000 Karelian refuges were resettled elsewhere in Finland, and today about a million Finns have Karelian ancestry, most of whom live in Southwestern Finland. My hometown is in Southwestern Finland, but after World War 2, about 20-30% of its population consisted of Karelian refugees.
Nenets are not white a all
Tell that to Laag, not me. I haven't claimed they're white (lol).
They don't look Nordic on average, these old anthropologists need to be taken with grain of salt. They are too brachy, borealised and infantile looking on average.
North Germanics don't actually look like anthro stereotypes. For example in this image, the Danish, Icelandic, and Swedish morphs look like their face is the least elongated and the widest. The Polish morph which is more leptoprosopic looks less northern.
https://i.imgur.com/r14WSoZ.jpg
Coon and his predecessors were wannabe-wogs, so in their mission to brownwash Northern Europeans, they considered the Northern Europeans who look like depigmented wogs to be Nordids proper. Coon even wrote this: "It can be shown that Sumerians who lived over five thousand years ago in Mesopotamia are almost identical in skull and face form with living Englishmen, and that predynastic Egyptian skulls can be matched both in a seventeenth century London plague pit, and in Neolithic cist-graves in Switzerland. Modern dolichocephalic whites or browns are very similar in head and face measurements and form. The Nordic race in the strict sense is merely a pigment phase of the Mediterranean." https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IV2.htm
They don't have high Siberian lol. They are about 5% Siberian on average. Nenets are mongoloids.
And Yamnaya had no Siberian, only few percent Amerindian which is nothing. Here is Yamnaya kit on gedmatch
Admix Results (sorted):
1 Baltic 41.42
2 West_Asian 31.04
3 North_Atlantic 20.51
4 South_Asian 4.19
5 Amerindian 2.84
Single Population Sharing:
1 Ukrainian_Belgorod 22.45
2 Erzya 23.9
3 Southwest_Russian 24.22
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 24.81
5 Tatar 24.99
6 Kargopol_Russian 25.17
7 Russian_Smolensk 25.39
8 Ukrainian 25.72
9 South_Polish 25.88
10 Moldavian 25.98
11 Polish 26.21
12 Croatian 26.55
13 Estonian_Polish 26.96
14 Belorussian 27.25
15 Lithuanian 27.88
16 Hungarian 28.63
17 Chuvash 28.9
18 Tabassaran 29
19 Estonian 29.15
20 Finnish 29.42
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 51.1% Lithuanian + 48.9% Tabassaran @ 10.65
2 53% Lithuanian + 47% Lezgin @ 11.43
3 56% Erzya + 44% Tabassaran @ 11.74
4 52.9% Lithuanian + 47.1% Chechen @ 11.75
5 50.2% Tabassaran + 49.8% Estonian @ 11.97
6 58.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.7% Tabassaran @ 12.33
7 54.5% Kargopol_Russian + 45.5% Tabassaran @ 12.34
8 54.2% Russian_Smolensk + 45.8% Tabassaran @ 12.47
9 51.8% Estonian + 48.2% Lezgin @ 12.53
10 58.1% Erzya + 41.9% Lezgin @ 12.63
11 50.7% Tabassaran + 49.3% East_Finnish @ 12.8
12 65% Lithuanian + 35% Balochi @ 12.81
13 51.7% Estonian + 48.3% Chechen @ 12.82
14 52% Belorussian + 48% Tabassaran @ 12.82
15 52.3% Estonian_Polish + 47.7% Tabassaran @ 12.86
16 58.2% Erzya + 41.8% Chechen @ 12.97
17 65.8% Lithuanian + 34.2% Brahui @ 12.98
18 56.5% Kargopol_Russian + 43.5% Lezgin @ 13.04
19 57.8% Lithuanian + 42.2% North_Ossetian @ 13.07
20 60.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39.5% Lezgin @ 13.09
Gedmatch Eurogen is irrelevant. Up to 10% of Siberian admixture in Yamna was seen by professional scientists, not bloggers. Gedmatch is a toy.
Belgorod Ukrainians and Erzya are the closest coincidences. The first is me:cool:
Gedmatch Eurogen is irrelevant. Up to 10% of Siberian admixture in Yamna was seen by professional scientists, not bloggers. Gedmatch is a toy.
Belgorod Ukrainians and Erzya are the closest coincidences. The first is me:cool:
And Croats are closer to Yamnaya than Belarusians, Lithuanians and Finns/Estonians are :)
They don't have high Siberian lol. They are about 5% Siberian on average. Nenets are mongoloids.
And Yamnaya had no Siberian, only few percent Amerindian which is nothing. Here is Yamnaya kit on gedmatch
Admixtures can not be calculated on modern calculators. I showed you a picture made by professionals.
Omanvassal
11-22-2019, 07:43 PM
And Croats are closer to Yamnaya than Belarusians, Lithuanians and Finns/Estonians are :)
Suleyman let CHG rich army in, is recent admixture
I'm a wannabe Mongoloid so I want to round up even 5.001% to 10%, and 5% is probably too little. Also the Siberian ancestry gets bigger if you count the ANE in EHG and steppe as part Siberian.
Than almost all Europeans are part Siberian.
Östsvensk
11-22-2019, 08:09 PM
I'm a wannabe Mongoloid so I want to round up even 5.001% to 10%, and 5% is probably too little. Also the Siberian ancestry gets bigger if you count the ANE in EHG and steppe as part Siberian.
A lot of Southwestern Finns have Eastern Finnish or Karelian ancestry, including me. Helsinki is in Southwestern Finland, but it was a small town until 1810 when Emperor Alexander I moved the capital of Finland from Turku to Helsinki, and much of the population of Helsinki has come from Eastern Finland or Karelia. After WW2, about 410,000 Karelian refuges were resettled elsewhere in Finland, and today about a million Finns have Karelian ancestry, most of whom live in Southwestern Finland. My hometown is in Southwestern Finland, but after World War 2, about 20-30% of its population consisted of Karelian refugees.
A half Karelian woman showed me her Eurogenes K13 results and they gave 6% Siberian. Unless I remember it wrong and she showed me her K15, which tends to give Finns a percentage or so lower of the Siberian (maybe some has been incorporated into another component). Her other half was from Satakunta, if I remember correctly. According to the K13 spreadsheet, the average Finn is 6,4% Siberian with Southwest Finns at 4,9% and East Finns at 8,9%.
Ancient arians had an admixture of Siberia up to 10%
Then Siberia was supplanted by Anatolian farmers - MENA
Actually I don't know why people compare Siberian and MENA admixture. Siberian people look noble, strong and bravely and on the other hand MENA people look like incels.
Chads vs Incels
Nenets people
https://i.imgur.com/L1MYjfW.jpg
Southen Europeans
http://static.bnr.bg/sites/radiobulgaria/sport/publishingimages/1807/12-09-08-94315_5.jpg
Lol, coping hard I see :) Nenets lived in stone age conditions until Russians conquered them. They seem lovely people, but they didn't do much in history.
Bugarian men are known as very robust and tough looking Balkanites, and this is map of medieval first and second Bulgarian Empires:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Structure_of_the_First_Bulgarian_Empire_during_the _IX-X_century.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Bulgaria-Ivan_Asen_2.png/1024px-Bulgaria-Ivan_Asen_2.png
Where is Nenets or Komi Empire? xD
Error: not found
Actually I don't know why people compare Siberian and MENA admixture. Siberian people look noble, strong and bravely and on the other hand MENA people look like incels.
Chads vs Incels
Nenets people
https://i.imgur.com/L1MYjfW.jpg
Southen Europeans
http://static.bnr.bg/sites/radiobulgaria/sport/publishingimages/1807/12-09-08-94315_5.jpg
The Russians gave birth to the Western Slavs, and the Western Slavs screwed up. The word "Slav" in all languages of the world, thanks to the Croats and other southern and western Slavs, means "slave." But be that as it may, the Croat or the Bulgarian are closer to me than the Nenets. Western Slavs are our children.
Where is Nenets or Komi Empire? xD
Empires for the southern Slavs were created by Asians - the Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Magyars, Alans. There is not a single Slavic people except the Russians, who were on a par with the Germans. All Slavs (except Russians and Serbs) are servants and slaves of the German world.
In the 21st century proud of collapsed empires? :rolleyes:
The Russians gave birth to the Western Slavs, and the Western Slavs screwed up. The word "Slav" in all languages of the world, thanks to the Croats and other southern and western Slavs, means "slave." But be that as it may, the Croat or the Bulgarian are closer to me than the Nenets. Western Slavs are our children.
Educate yourself a bit:
The name Croats gained among the Slavs the sacral importance since it was connected with the victory over the Goths and their yoke shaken off.
Майоров А.В., Великая Хорватия: Этногенез и ранняя история славян Прикарпатского региона, pg. 187
Educate yourself a bit:
The name Croats gained among the Slavs the sacral importance since it was connected with the victory over the Goths and their yoke shaken off.
Майоров А.В., Великая Хорватия: Этногенез и ранняя история славян Прикарпатского региона, pg. 187
The tribe of White Croats Ukrainian is Russia. In our ancient annals it is written that the white Croats entered into Russia. Balkan Croats are other Croats.
Ymyyakhtakh
11-22-2019, 09:05 PM
Where is Nenets or Komi Empire? xD
Error: not found
Meanwhile in an alternative timeline where Northern Europe above the 60th parallel was warm enough to support a high population density:
https://i.redd.it/xsb87zcqzv1z.jpg
The tribe of White Croats Ukrainian is Russia. In our ancient annals it is written that the white Croats entered into Russia. Balkan Croats are other Croats.
There are no other Croats, Balkan Croats are descendants of White Croats who went south, expelled the Avars and conquered Roman lands.
Part of White Croats remained in their old homeland north and assimilated with west and east Slavic nations.
There are no other Croats, Balkan Croats are descendants of White Croats who went south, expelled the Avars and conquered Roman lands.
Part of White Croats remained in their old homeland north and assimilated with west and east Slavic nations.
The fact is that the victory of the Croats over the Avars occurs only in Croatian dreams. It is proved that this is a myth. The fact is that the Balkan Croats are a crystallization of part of the Avar Haganate into a new political entity, after its weakening. That is, the Croats are a Slavic association based on the Avar Haganate. It is known that the Slavs occupied the lower strata of society in the Avar Kaganate. The evidence for this is that the first Croatian leaders have an Altai etymology of their names.
The fact is that the victory of the Croats over the Avars occurs only in Croatian dreams. It is proved that this is a myth. The fact is that the Balkan Croats are a crystallization of part of the Avar Haganate into a new political entity, after its weakening. That is, the Croats this is the Avar Kaganate. It is known that the Slavs occupied the lower strata of society in the Avar Kaganate. The evidence for this is that the first Croatian leaders have an Altai etymology of their names.
Sorry my muzhik friend, but I trust Byzantine account about Croats more than your stories xD
Slavs became part of Avar elite and that is why Avar sample from Szolad is genetically pure Slavic. They were buried with Avar equipment and status.
First Croatian princes and Kings all have typical Slavic names. Branimir, Tomislav, Zvonimir, Borna, Držislav, Krešimir etc.
Legendary names of 5 brothers and two sisters were not real people but toponyms and similar. For example Buga is representing Bug river in Ukraine.
Sorry my muzhik friend, but I trust Byzantine account about Croats more than your stories xD
Slavs became part of Avar elite and that is why Avar sample from Szolad is genetically pure Slavic. They were buried with Avar equipment and status.
First Croatian princes and Kings all have typical Slavic names. Branimir, Tomislav, Zvonimir, Borna, Držislav, Krešimir etc.
Legendary names of 5 brothers and two sisters were not real people but toponyms and similar. For example Buga is representing Bug river in Ukraine.
These are not my stories, these are the opinions of scientists that I recently read. I have never been carried away by the history of the most inconspicuous people of Europe.
The Byzantine emperor who wrote about the Croats from the words of the Croatian myth-makers cannot be trusted in this matter. Konstantin Bagryanorodny lived in a later era and did not know anything about the history of the Croats except that they composed themselves.
For some Slavs from the Carpathians armed with darts to defeat the Avar - this is nonsense. The Avars were defeated by the Franks, i.e. the ancestors of the French and Germans. The Avars subjects Croatian then composed the myth of victory over the Avars. Similar myths were not only among Croats.
These are not my stories, these are the opinions of scientists that I recently read. I have never been carried away by the history of the most inconspicuous people of Europe.
The Byzantine emperor who wrote about the Croats from the words of the Croatian myth-makers cannot be trusted in this matter. Konstantin Bagryanorodny lived in a later era and did not know anything about the history of the Croats except that they composed themselves.
For some Slavs from the Carpathians armed with darts to defeat the Avar - this is nonsense. The Avars were defeated by the Franks, i.e. the ancestors of the French and Germans. The Avars subjects Croatian then composed the myth of victory over the Avars. Similar myths were not only among Croats.
Butthurt Muzhik?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGk8D3iIMc
Butthurt Muzhik?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGk8D3iIMc
What do you mean by that? Are you proud that the Croats, the servants of the German fascists bombed innocent people?
Didn't you know that after the German boot, the Croats began to lick the boots of the Russian winners?
What do you mean by that? Are you proud that the Croats, the servants of the German fascists bombed innocent people?
They fought communism, not Russian people.
Didn't you know that after the German boot, the Croats began to lick the boots of the Russian winners?
Really? Croat Tito soon showed middle finger to Georgian Stalin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split
They fought communism, not Russian people.
Really? Croat Tito soon showed middle finger to Georgian Stalin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split
First of all, they did not fight against the communists. First of all, Croatian nationalists fought for German Nazism, for genocide and for the Holocaust. However, Croats without Germans in this war are equal to zero. All Slavic satellites of Germany were not operational, as 1000-2000 years ago under the Avars, Bulgars, Asian Magyars even today.
Really? Croat Tito soon showed middle finger to Georgian Stalin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split
I am not a communist, why did you show a video of the bombing of peaceful Leningrad, where only disabled people, old people, women and children remained? Are you angry and the Nazi woke up in you?
I am not a communist, why did you show a video of the bombing of peaceful Leningrad, where only disabled people, old people, women and children remained? Are you angry and the Nazi woke up in you?
Lol, as if there was no weapons production around ''Leningrad''.
Viridian1
11-23-2019, 08:14 AM
Savolaxid and North Lappid
Gomorra
11-23-2019, 08:39 AM
Does she pass as Khanty?
Yes She does. If Savolaxid is that kind on phenotype, i am out. I have plenty Savonian friends and they don´t look like that. Savonians are mix of Tavastians and Karelians. I trace this phenotype to base on Karelian roots.
Yes She does. If Savolaxid is that kind on phenotype, i am out. I have plenty Savonian friends and they don´t look like that. Savonians are mix of Tavastians and Karelians. I trace this phenotype to base on Karelian roots.Not. This phenotype is characteristic of southwestern Sami-Mongoloid Finns, not Karelians. Karelians are mainly Nordids and Eastern Baltics.
farke1
11-23-2019, 05:53 PM
Meanwhile in an alternative timeline where Northern Europe above the 60th parallel was warm enough to support a high population density:
https://i.redd.it/xsb87zcqzv1z.jpg
What the hell happened to the Ottomans here?
Ymyyakhtakh
11-23-2019, 08:22 PM
Yes She does. If Savolaxid is that kind on phenotype, i am out. I have plenty Savonian friends and they don´t look like that. Savonians are mix of Tavastians and Karelians. I trace this phenotype to base on Karelian roots.
This is someone who I went to high school with from Southwestern Finland. I don't know if her family is originally from here, but according to this website (https://www.tuomas.salste.net/suku/), her surname was by far the most common in Southwestern Finland. I don't think she's half Thai or anything, because she had light-colored hair in an old photo of her as a kid.
https://i.imgur.com/HYp8hbr.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/e7nPnS9.jpg
Really? Croat Tito soon showed middle finger to Georgian Stalin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split
You croats were railing against Tito for "forcing" you to unite with Serbia, and now you are forced to praise him because you realized that there are no really great Croat leaders throughout history, haha
Tell that to Laag, not me. I haven't claimed they're white (lol).
I don't remember calling them "White". The term 'White" is a social construct and can sometimes be misused. Initially, as far as I know it was invented by Englishmen and for them, White was equal to the Englishman. Englishmen did not consider White even the Irish and Swedes nowadays in the United States, even Arabs are considered White. It's the same with Latin America. Initially, the Spaniards called White themselves only nowadays even mestizos are considered White in Latin America. The same for modern Europe. Turks also consider themselves White. But yes, I said that the Nenets for me are Europeans and even more European than some Europeans from continental Europe. Many of them live in Europe for centuries perhaps even more than some continental Europeans. They are also fully Europeanized in that sense they are more European than some continental Europeans who can behave like MENA.
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