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hussein khan

11-24-2019, 06:48 PM

Hi, guys

I just too a myheritage test and these were my results:

Asia 76.5% :

South-Asian
37.0%

west Asia
33.4%

Central Asia
6.1%

Europe 21.6% :

Northern and Western Europe 18.2% :

Northern and Western Europeans
13.2%

English man
5.0%

Eastern Europe
3.4%

Middle East 1.9% :

Middle Eastern provenance
1.9%

These are apparently my gedmatch results:

MDLP k23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 31.33
2 Caucasian 25.31
3 South_Indian 17.43
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 12.16
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6.32
6 Near_East 3.35
7 Arctic 2.97
8 East_Siberian 1.13
9 South_East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Parsi ( ) 9.67
2 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 10.35
3 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 14.07
4 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 14.59
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 15.46
6 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 16.26
7 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 16.35
8 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 16.61
9 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 16.87
10 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 17.73
11 Iranian ( ) 19.27
12 Pathan ( ) 24.26
13 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 25.17
14 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 25.67
15 Kurd_South ( ) 27.24
16 Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) 27.95
17 Ain_Touta_WGA ( ) 28.14
18 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 28.29
19 Kurd_East ( ) 28.34
20 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 28.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Pathan ( ) + 34.8% Kabardin ( ) @ 3.65
2 54.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 45.5% Lak ( ) @ 3.72
3 72.6% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 27.4% Lezgin ( ) @ 3.84
4 52.3% Lezgin ( ) + 47.7% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) @ 3.9
5 67.6% Pathan ( ) + 32.4% Balkar ( ) @ 3.92
6 72.4% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 27.6% Avar ( ) @ 3.94
7 56.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 43.9% Lezgin ( ) @ 3.97
8 53.4% Tabassaran ( ) + 46.6% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) @ 3.97
9 52.2% Lak ( ) + 47.8% Pakistani ( ) @ 3.97
10 71.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 28.7% Lak ( ) @ 3.98
11 71.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 28.3% Tabassaran ( ) @ 4.01
12 55% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 45% Tabassaran ( ) @ 4.04
13 64.6% Pathan ( ) + 35.4% Chechen ( ) @ 4.05
14 63.7% Pathan ( ) + 36.3% Kumyk ( ) @ 4.06
15 67.6% Pathan ( ) + 32.4% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 4.06
16 53.9% Lak ( ) + 46.1% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) @ 4.07
17 51.8% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) + 48.2% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) @ 4.07
18 73% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 27% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 4.09
19 55.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 44.2% Avar ( ) @ 4.11
20 71.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 28.8% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 4.11

K13 eurogenes:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 43.43
2 South_Asian 25.52
3 North_Atlantic 9.95
4 Baltic 9.79
5 East_Med 7.44
6 Siberian 2.28
7 Amerindian 0.71
8 Oceanian 0.44
9 Sub-Saharan 0.31
10 Red_Sea 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 4.02
2 Kalash 10.94
3 Tadjik 13.09
4 Balochi 13.13
5 Makrani 13.46
6 Brahui 14.44
7 Pathan 14.59
8 Burusho 15.99
9 Afghan_Tadjik 16.13
10 Punjabi_Jat 18.33
11 Tabassaran 19.43
12 Sindhi 19.77
13 Lezgin 21.08
14 Chechen 21.39
15 Turkmen 22.26
16 Kumyk 22.71
17 Kabardin 23.15
18 Adygei 23.52
19 Ossetian 23.56
20 North_Ossetian 23.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.4% Tabassaran + 49.6% Sindhi @ 2.41
2 84.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 15.1% Balochi @ 3.32
3 87.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 12.7% Brahui @ 3.46
4 51.7% Sindhi + 48.3% Lezgin @ 3.47
5 88.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 11.1% Makrani @ 3.68
6 93.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 6.1% Tabassaran @ 3.82
7 95.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.9% Lezgin @ 3.87
8 96.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.5% Abhkasian @ 3.87
9 96.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.6% Georgian @ 3.88
10 92% Afghan_Pashtun + 8% Kalash @ 3.92

Apparently i dont seem special for pashtuns in my region, just typical(although a bit bmac-shifted).

Leto

11-24-2019, 07:02 PM

Post Dodecad K12b and Harappa here too. Also, try this Y DNA predictor
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?251096-Post-your-Y-DNA-prediction
It should be accurate.

SharpFork

11-24-2019, 07:06 PM

Dodecad?

hussein khan

11-24-2019, 07:09 PM

My docedad k12b results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 37.97
2 Caucasus 22.2
3 North_European 15.98
4 South_Asian 15.87
5 Southwest_Asian 2.97
6 Siberian 2.57
7 Atlantic_Med 2.39
8 Northwest_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (HGDP) 13.17
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 13.58
3 Burusho (HGDP) 18.36
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 18.6
5 Jatt (Dodecad) 21.84
6 Iranians (Behar) 24
7 Iranian (Dodecad) 25.25
8 Sindhi (HGDP) 26.21
9 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 27.2
10 Kurd (Dodecad) 27.24
11 Lezgins (Behar) 28.38
12 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 28.39
13 Makrani (HGDP) 30.71
14 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 31.11
15 Balochi (HGDP) 32.11
16 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 32.19
17 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 34.17
18 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 34.32
19 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 34.57
20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 35.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% Pathan (HGDP) + 29.5% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.24
2 68.6% Pathan (HGDP) + 31.4% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.33
3 72.5% Pathan (HGDP) + 27.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.43
4 75.2% Pathan (HGDP) + 24.8% Adygei (HGDP) @ 2.85
5 75.7% Pathan (HGDP) + 24.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 3.15
6 75.7% Pathan (HGDP) + 24.3% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.24
7 52% Sindhi (HGDP) + 48% Lezgins (Behar) @ 3.6
8 56.7% Jatt (Dodecad) + 43.3% Lezgins (Behar) @ 3.67
9 59% Jatt (Dodecad) + 41% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.91
10 61.3% Jatt (Dodecad) + 38.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.31
11 56.7% Sindhi (HGDP) + 43.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.4
12 74% Pathan (HGDP) + 26% Turks (Behar) @ 4.78
13 80% Pathan (HGDP) + 20% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.87
14 74.9% Pathan (HGDP) + 25.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.93
15 54.4% Sindhi (HGDP) + 45.6% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.95
16 64.7% Jatt (Dodecad) + 35.3% Adygei (HGDP) @ 5.06
17 65% Jatt (Dodecad) + 35% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 5.12
18 65.2% Jatt (Dodecad) + 34.8% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 5.22
19 78.4% Pathan (HGDP) + 21.6% Armenians (Behar) @ 5.28
20 81.3% Pathan (HGDP) + 18.7% Georgians (Behar) @

Leto

11-24-2019, 07:14 PM

Your North Euro is quite high (~16%). At least some justification for your being in Denmark xD

I believe puntDNAL K13 is also not bad for Afghans.

Adamm

11-24-2019, 10:11 PM

Is it normal for Pashtuns to have this high European ancestry?

lameduck

11-24-2019, 10:13 PM

Is it normal for Pashtuns to have this high European ancestry?

yeah some groups in the region can get even higher ~20 for kho people.

Leto

11-24-2019, 10:18 PM

yeah some groups in the region can get even higher ~20 for kho people.
Some Tajikistanis get over 20 percent NE-Euro (21-25%). Usually Pamiris. But even Uzbeks and Kazakhs get up to 15%.

Adamm

11-24-2019, 10:19 PM

yeah some groups in the region can get even higher ~20 for kho people.

How did the European ancestry ended up there? Shared Steppe alleles? Alexander the Great?

lameduck

11-24-2019, 10:23 PM

How did the European ancestry ended up there? Shared Steppe alleles? Alexander the Great?

aryans

Leto

11-24-2019, 10:25 PM

How did the European ancestry ended up there? Shared Steppe alleles? Alexander the Great?
The Indo-Aryans were basically white and came down to Central and South Asia from Russian/Kazakh steppes. For example North Africa has virtually no Steppe ancestry but you do share some Western Mediterranean/Atlantic ancestry with Iberians and Italians. That's why you don't score any Baltic and West Asian but a good amount of West Med & North Atlanitc. I know GEDmatch is kinda crappy, I'm just used to those wacky terms and everyone understands them.

Bakha

11-24-2019, 11:13 PM

Your North Euro is quite high (~16%). At least some justification for your being in Denmark xD

I believe puntDNAL K13 is also not bad for Afghans.
My north euro is only twice higher than his (30%) yet I am half Russian. Interesting.

Kyp

11-24-2019, 11:55 PM

Post Ydna prediction

Ljubic

11-25-2019, 06:28 AM

Im not surprised that he scored European. Its MyHeritage after all.

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 09:31 AM

Puntdal K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 41.68
2 South_Asia 19.54
3 NE_Europe 18.89
4 SW_Europe 9.21
5 SW_Asia 4.29
6 Siberia 3.34
7 Americas 1.22
8 Oceania 1.06
9 West_Africa 0.78
10 East_Africa 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 3.13
2 Pakistan_Pashtun 6.05
3 Pathan 7.11
4 Tadjik 9.4
5 Balochi 12.13
6 Makrani 13.55
7 Brahui 13.87
8 Burusho 15.06
9 Sindhi 16.74
10 Afghan_Uzbeki 17.95
11 Dagestan_Azeri 18.9
12 Kumyk 18.92
13 Chechen 19.17
14 Punjabi 19.22
15 Kashmir_Pandit 19.54
16 Iranian 19.81
17 Adygei 21.1
18 Ossetian 21.13
19 Balkar 21.68
20 Romani 21.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 10.9% Chechen @ 2.09
2 95.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.3% Ukrainian @ 2.21
3 95.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.2% Mordovian @ 2.21
4 95.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.5% Slovak @ 2.23
5 95.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.8% Bosnian @ 2.24
6 96% Afghan_Pashtun + 4% Belarusian @ 2.24
7 96.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.9% Russian @ 2.24
8 96.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.8% Polish @ 2.24
9 95.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.5% Slovene @ 2.25
10 95.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.1% German_North @ 2.26
11 95.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.4% Hungarian @ 2.26
12 96.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.5% Lithuanian @ 2.27
13 96.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.5% Latvian @ 2.27
14 96.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.6% Estonian @ 2.27
15 95.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.9% Moldavian @ 2.27
16 95.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.5% Croatian @ 2.27
17 96.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.8% Swedish @ 2.28
18 94.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 5.1% Montenegrin @ 2.28
19 96.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.9% Norwegian @ 2.29
20 96.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.3% Finnish @ 2.3

Harappaworld results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 36.7
2 Caucasian 24.54
3 S-Indian 14.69
4 NE-Euro 14.21
5 SW-Asian 3.79
6 Siberian 1.83
7 Mediterranean 1.62
8 Beringian 1.19
9 American 0.79
10 Papuan 0.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 pashtun (harappa) 7.4
2 kalash (hgdp) 11.54
3 tajik (yunusbayev) 12.01
4 pathan (hgdp) 12.4
5 sindhi (harappa) 15.65
6 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 16.23
7 burusho (hgdp) 16.87
8 bhatia (harappa) 16.9
9 turkmen (yunusbayev) 17.44
10 kashmiri (harappa) 17.64
11 haryana-jatt (harappa) 17.97
12 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 18.04
13 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 19.25
14 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 20.38
15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 21.05
16 punjabi (harappa) 21.38
17 sindhi (hgdp) 21.77
18 balochi (hgdp) 21.79
19 punjabi-arain (xing) 21.79
20 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 22.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.1% pathan (hgdp) + 33.9% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.55
2 67.9% pathan (hgdp) + 32.1% lezgin (behar) @ 2.73
3 52.3% sindhi (hgdp) + 47.7% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.83
4 58.7% bhatia (harappa) + 41.3% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.86
5 53% sindhi (hgdp) + 47% urkarah (xing) @ 2.88
6 66.9% pathan (hgdp) + 33.1% urkarah (xing) @ 2.96
7 61.3% sindhi (harappa) + 38.7% urkarah (xing) @ 3.04
8 62.8% bhatia (harappa) + 37.2% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.07
9 70.1% pathan (hgdp) + 29.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.14
10 71.7% pathan (hgdp) + 28.3% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.15
11 60.7% sindhi (harappa) + 39.3% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.19
12 62.5% sindhi (harappa) + 37.5% lezgin (behar) @ 3.27
13 68.2% kalash (hgdp) + 31.8% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.42
14 59% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 41% lezgin (behar) @ 3.44
15 53% punjabi-arain (xing) + 47% urkarah (xing) @ 3.5
16 64.7% bhatia (harappa) + 35.3% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.57
17 52.3% punjabi-arain (xing) + 47.7% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.71
18 60.7% bhatia (harappa) + 39.3% lezgin (behar) @ 3.77
19 54.3% punjabi-arain (xing) + 45.7% lezgin (behar) @ 3.88
20 79.6% pashtun (harappa) + 20.4% urkarah (xing) @ 4.01

Kamal900

11-25-2019, 09:33 AM

It seems to me that you cluster more closely with Iranians and Caucasians than to any Indic peoples of Pakistan and India. I do wonder if this is the norm for the average Afghani Pashtun to be.

Kamal900

11-25-2019, 09:36 AM

The Indo-Aryans were basically white and came down to Central and South Asia from Russian/Kazakh steppes. For example North Africa has virtually no Steppe ancestry but you do share some Western Mediterranean/Atlantic ancestry with Iberians and Italians. That's why you don't score any Baltic and West Asian but a good amount of West Med & North Atlanitc. I know GEDmatch is kinda crappy, I'm just used to those wacky terms and everyone understands them.

Not exactly. The Indo-Aryans were a mixture between Eastern Europeans and neolithic Iranians of central Asia. We do have some genetic results of the early PIE cultures of central Asia 4,000 years old that do score some west asian admixture(mostly from Iran and Caucasus), and they began mixing with the local central asians before reaching to the Indian subcontinent.

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 09:37 AM

It seems to me that you cluster more closely with Iranians and Caucasians than to any Indic peoples of Pakistan and India. I do wonder if this is the norm for the average Afghani Pashtun to be.

Actually, i dont. Im closer to more westurasian indians/pakis than to caucasians/iranians.

However im equally as close to pamiris and maybe east iranians too and to these westurasian indians/pakis(who arent too atypical though). THe indic samples are just significantly more south asian than usual.

ALso, it isnt too uncommon for afghans from the south or pashtuns from PAK too. I have actually a lot of samples of pashtuns being more westeurasian or just as much as i am.

lameduck

11-25-2019, 09:39 AM

Leto

11-25-2019, 09:40 AM

Not exactly. The Indo-Aryans were a mixture between Eastern Europeans and neolithic Iranians of central Asia. We do have some genetic results of the early PIE cultures of central Asia 4,000 years old that do score some west asian admixture(mostly from Iran and Caucasus), and they began mixing with the local central asians before reaching to the Indian subcontinent.
The PROTO Iranians were almost like the Corded Ware, that's the group I was talking about.

Kamal900

11-25-2019, 09:44 AM

The PROTO Iranians were almost like the Corded Ware, that's the group I was talking about.

Proto-Indo-Iranians, yes, but not the later Iranic and Indo-Aryan peoples when they diverged from one another in the 19th century BC.

Leto

11-25-2019, 09:47 AM

Proto-Indo-Iranians, yes, but not the later Iranic and Indo-Aryan peoples when they diverged from one another in the 19th century BC.
Well, I'm not going to be splitting hairs here but the "Middle Late Bronze Age" Kazakhstan samples (1,700-1,400 BC) were like 50 percent NE European on GEDmatch.

Kamal900

11-25-2019, 09:50 AM

Well, I'm not going to be splitting hairs here but the "Middle Late Bronze Age" Kazakhstan samples (1,700-1,400 BC) were like 50 percent NE European on GEDmatch.

And the rest is local central Asiatic ancestry which is very similar to neolithic Iranians, yeah

Leto

11-25-2019, 09:57 AM

And the rest is local central Asiatic ancestry which is very similar to neolithic Iranians, yeah
What do you mean by Central Asiatic? The Sintashta were Central Asian? For that matter, the Yamnaya had a lot of "Baloch", more than Sintashta

Kit Number: EC6128480

Population
S-Indian 0.18 Pct
Baloch 30.94 Pct
Caucasian 7.58 Pct
NE-Euro 55.50 Pct
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American 4.12 Pct
Beringian 1.57 Pct
Mediterranean 0.12 Pct
SW-Asian -
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

That's just Caucasian HG admixture, nothing "Asian" about it.

Kyp

11-25-2019, 10:01 AM

Leto

11-25-2019, 10:07 AM

Well, I'm not going to be splitting hairs here but the "Middle Late Bronze Age" Kazakhstan samples (1,700-1,400 BC) were like 50 percent NE European on GEDmatch.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Kit Z092581

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 49.12
2 Atlantic_Med 21.16
3 Gedrosia 18.34
4 Caucasus 4.9
5 Siberian 4.62
6 East_African 1.02
7 South_Asian 0.68
8 Southeast_Asian 0.16

Kit Z303460

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 52.91
2 Gedrosia 18.5
3 Atlantic_Med 18.31
4 South_Asian 3.05
5 Siberian 2.86
6 Caucasus 1.99
7 East_Asian 0.84
8 Southeast_Asian 0.6
9 Sub_Saharan 0.57
10 East_African 0.37

Kit Z740946

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 46.7
2 Gedrosia 20.75
3 Atlantic_Med 18.84
4 Siberian 5.4
5 Caucasus 5.16
6 South_Asian 1.58
7 East_Asian 1.02
8 Sub_Saharan 0.55

Kit Z523705

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 54.5
2 Atlantic_Med 19.46
3 Gedrosia 19.22
4 Siberian 2.99
5 South_Asian 2.21
6 Caucasus 0.99
7 Sub_Saharan 0.43
8 Southeast_Asian 0.19
The kits were deleted, presumably by fucking Lukasz (that guy ignores me now).

Kyp

11-25-2019, 10:11 AM

From what I've gathered the Aryans that went into the Indian Subcontinent were much less mixed than the Aryans that went into the Iranian Plateau.

Leto

11-25-2019, 10:12 AM

I thought it's more associated with south central Iranian_neolithic. Since it peaks among Iranic groups. It's also correlating with swarthyness among the Iranian groups. But that might be also because of the additional S.Indian.
I don't know if it is so swarthy per se. The Baloch/Gedrosia component is fully Caucasoid, some of the whitest people score up to 10%

Irishman

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.49
2 Atlantic_Med 38.37
3 Gedrosia 10.71
4 Caucasus 6.36
5 Northwest_African 0.48
6 Southwest_Asian 0.24
7 South_Asian 0.24
8 East_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 0.79
2 Dutch (Dodecad) 2.65
3 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 4.11
4 Kent (1000Genomes) 4.12
5 English (Dodecad) 4.31
6 British_Isles (Dodecad) 5.83
7 Argyll (1000Genomes) 6.44
8 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 6.45
9 British (Dodecad) 6.6
10 Irish (Dodecad) 7.08
11 Orkney (1000Genomes) 7.1
12 Orcadian (HGDP) 7.16
13 German (Dodecad) 8.06
14 French (Dodecad) 8.72
15 French (HGDP) 9.34
16 Norwegian (Dodecad) 12.17
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 14.3
18 Hungarians (Behar) 15.91
19 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 21.77
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 22.61

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 48.78
2 Mediterranean 32.05
3 Baloch 11.27
4 Caucasian 6.96
5 Beringian 0.49
6 SE-Asian 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 utahn-white (1000genomes) 2.59
2 british (1000genomes) 4.02
3 utahn-white (hapmap) 4.22
4 n-european (xing) 4.71
5 orcadian (hgdp) 6.49
6 french (hgdp) 8.19
7 hungarian (behar) 11.01
8 slovenian (xing) 12.3
9 ukranian (yunusbayev) 17.69
10 spaniard (behar) 20.36
11 spaniard (1000genomes) 21.35
12 belorussian (behar) 21.52
13 mordovian (yunusbayev) 22.71
14 romanian-a (behar) 22.85
15 russian (behar) 24
16 italian (hgdp) 24.13
17 russian (hgdp) 24.89
18 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 25.18
19 lithuanian (behar) 26.45
20 spain-basc (henn2012) 27.62

Even over 10%

Leto

11-25-2019, 10:19 AM

From what I've gathered the Aryans that went into the Indian Subcontinent were much less mixed than the Aryans that went into the Iranian Plateau.
We have too few Achaemenid Persian samples. They didn't bury their dead, I guess.

Kamal900

11-25-2019, 10:41 AM

What do you mean by Central Asiatic? The Sintashta were Central Asian? For that matter, the Yamnaya had a lot of "Baloch", more than Sintashta

Kit Number: EC6128480

Population
S-Indian 0.18 Pct
Baloch 30.94 Pct
Caucasian 7.58 Pct
NE-Euro 55.50 Pct
SE-Asian -
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American 4.12 Pct
Beringian 1.57 Pct
Mediterranean 0.12 Pct
SW-Asian -
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

That's just Caucasian HG admixture, nothing "Asian" about it.

I said the local central Asiatics that derive their ancestry from the middle east. The Baloch genetic component is basically that neolithic Iranian farmer ancestry that the local central Asiatics had. This is some of the results of the Sintashta culture:

[1,] "Norwegian" "0.0284"
[2,] "Swedish" "0.0287"
[3,] "Shetlandic" "0.0288"
[4,] "Icelandic" "0.0294"
[5,] "Dutch" "0.0297"
[6,] "Scottish" "0.0297"
[7,] "Irish" "0.0298"
[8,] "Orcadian" "0.0298"
[9,] "Welsh" "0.0311"
[10,] "English" "0.0325"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "58 % Norwegian + 42 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0191"
[2,] "56.7 % Icelandic + 43.3 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0195"
[3,] "57.8 % Swedish + 42.2 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0196"
[4,] "60.6 % Norwegian + 39.4 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0201"
[5,] "57.9 % Shetlandic + 42.1 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0202"
[6,] "60.3 % Swedish + 39.7 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0204"
[7,] "59.2 % Icelandic + 40.8 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0204"
[8,] "63.5 % Norwegian + 36.5 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0205"
[9,] "56.6 % Scottish + 43.4 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0205"
[10,] "56.4 % Irish + 43.6 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0206"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % English_Cornwall + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0229"
[2,] "50% % Finnish + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0235"
[3,] "50% % English + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0235"
[4,] "50% % Icelandic + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0238"
[5,] "50% % French_Brittany + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0238"
[6,] "50% % Norwegian + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0241"
[7,] "50% % Tajik_Rushan + 50% % Welsh" "0.0242"
[8,] "50% % Irish + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0243"
[9,] "50% % Swedish + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0243"
[10,] "50% % Scottish + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0244"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=1.7463"

Norwegian,30.3
Tajik_Rushan,28.6
Icelandic,12.4
Udmurt,8
Irish,7.4
Latvian,5.2
Darginian,3.7
Ket,3.1
Shor_Khakassia,1.3

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=1.8251"

Norwegian,43.6
Tajik_Rushan,17
Icelandic,5.6
Tajik_Shugnan,5.6
Udmurt,4
Ingrian,2.8
Tajik_Ishkashim,2.6
Darginian,2
Irish,1.8
Lak,1.6
Shetlandic,1.6
Besermyan,1
Komi,1
Saami,1
Finnish,0.8
Karelian,0.8
Kubachinian,0.8
Shor,0.8
Swedish,0.8
Tajik_Yagnobi,0.8
Mansi,0.6
Shor_Mountain,0.6
Finnish_East,0.4
Shor_Khakassia,0.4
Tubalar,0.4
Avar,0.2
Estonian,0.2
Jatt_Pathak,0.2
Khanty,0.2
Latvian,0.2
Lithuanian_SZ,0.2
Lithuanian_VZ,0.2
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye,0.2

Sintashta o3

[1,] "Udmurt" "0.0717"
[2,] "Besermyan" "0.075"
[3,] "Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye" "0.0756"
[4,] "Saami" "0.0784"
[5,] "Komi" "0.0786"
[6,] "Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0788"
[7,] "Tajik_Rushan" "0.0791"
[8,] "Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0807"
[9,] "Bashkir" "0.0812"
[10,] "Shor_Khakassia" "0.0817"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "43.1 % Ket + 56.9 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.066"
[2,] "42.7 % Ket + 57.3 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0662"
[3,] "44.5 % Ket + 55.5 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0667"
[4,] "46.8 % Khanty + 53.2 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0668"
[5,] "53 % Jatt_Pathak + 47 % Ket" "0.0674"
[6,] "46.2 % Khanty + 53.8 % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0674"
[7,] "48.4 % Khanty + 51.6 % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0674"
[8,] "46.5 % Mansi + 53.5 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0675"
[9,] "10.5 % Karitiana + 89.5 % Udmurt" "0.0675"
[10,] "51.5 % Kalash + 48.5 % Ket" "0.0675"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Khanty + 50% % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0685"
[2,] "50% % Khanty + 50% % Kho_Singanali" "0.0688"
[3,] "50% % Khanty + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0688"
[4,] "50% % Kalash + 50% % Ket" "0.0688"
[5,] "50% % Jatt_Pathak + 50% % Khanty" "0.0688"
[6,] "50% % Mansi + 50% % Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0693"
[7,] "50% % Ket + 50% % Lak" "0.0693"
[8,] "50% % Kho_Singanali + 50% % Mansi" "0.0693"
[9,] "50% % Jatt_Pathak + 50% % Mansi" "0.0694"
[10,] "50% % Mansi + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0696"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=6.167"

Ket,33.5
Udmurt,23.6
Tajik_Rushan,16.7
Jatt_Pathak,9.3
Karitiana,9.2
Latvian,4.7
Kalash,3

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=6.381"

Udmurt,20
Ket,16
Khanty,10.6
Tajik_Rushan,7.8
Tajik_Shugnan,7
Mansi,5.8
Saami,5.2
Jatt_Pathak,4.8
Tajik_Ishkashim,4
Kalash,3
Shor_Khakassia,2
Ingrian,1.8
Kubachinian,1.6
Chipewyan,1.2
Finnish_East,1.2
Kho_Singanali,1.2
Latvian,1
Darginian,0.8
Cree,0.6
Nahua,0.6
Amerindian_North,0.4
Aymara,0.4
Bolivian_Pando,0.4
Colla,0.4
Huichol,0.4
Wichi,0.4
Zapotec,0.4
Bolivian_LaPaz,0.2
Cachi,0.2
Estonian,0.2
Mixtec,0.2
Pima,0.2

You can clearly see that they were a mixture between the Corded Ware culture and the local Caucasoid peoples of today's Central Asia. In other words, their European ancestry did not derive from the ancestors of Balto-Slavs. Now, let's see how the Yamnaya's results of Russia and Ukraine:

[1,] "Darginian" "0.0483"
[2,] "Kubachinian" "0.0485"
[3,] "Lak" "0.0486"
[4,] "Kaitag" "0.0494"
[5,] "Avar" "0.0499"
[6,] "Tajik_Rushan" "0.0509"
[7,] "Tabasaran" "0.0509"
[8,] "Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0522"
[9,] "Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0546"
[10,] "Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.056"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "68.5 % Darginian + 31.5 % Finnish_East" "0.0437"
[2,] "68.2 % Darginian + 31.8 % Ingrian" "0.0439"
[3,] "31.8 % Finnish_East + 68.2 % Kubachinian" "0.044"
[4,] "31.9 % Ingrian + 68.1 % Kubachinian" "0.0443"
[5,] "31.4 % Finnish_East + 68.6 % Lak" "0.0443"
[6,] "71 % Darginian + 29 % Karelian" "0.0443"
[7,] "69.6 % Darginian + 30.4 % Finnish" "0.0444"
[8,] "67.3 % Kubachinian + 32.7 % Udmurt" "0.0445"
[9,] "72.6 % Darginian + 27.4 % Saami" "0.0445"
[10,] "71.9 % Kubachinian + 28.1 % Saami" "0.0445"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Kubachinian + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0481"
[2,] "50% % Darginian + 50% % Kubachinian" "0.0483"
[3,] "50% % Darginian + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0484"
[4,] "50% % Darginian + 50% % Lak" "0.0485"
[5,] "50% % Kubachinian + 50% % Lak" "0.0485"
[6,] "50% % Lak + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0485"
[7,] "50% % Kaitag + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0486"
[8,] "50% % Avar + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0487"
[9,] "50% % Tabasaran + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.049"
[10,] "50% % Kubachinian + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0491"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=4.3355"

Darginian,40.8
Finnish_East,25
Kubachinian,21.6
Jatt_Pathak,5.5
Udmurt,3.7
Ket,2.7
Karitiana,0.6
Colla,0.1

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=4.4034"

Darginian,32.8
Kubachinian,31.4
Tajik_Rushan,7.4
Udmurt,5.4
Ingrian,3.4
Finnish_East,3.2
Finnish,2
Saami,2
Shetlandic,2
Karelian,1.4
Jatt_Pathak,1
Tajik_Shugnan,1
Icelandic,0.8
Komi,0.8
Norwegian,0.8
Lak,0.6
Latvian,0.6
Estonian,0.4
Khanty,0.4
Lithuanian_PZ,0.4
Lithuanian_SZ,0.4
Mansi,0.4
Russian_Tver,0.4
Vepsian,0.4
Ket,0.2
Mayan,0.2
Wichi,0.2

[1,] "Darginian" "0.0453"
[2,] "Tajik_Rushan" "0.0454"
[3,] "Lak" "0.0464"
[4,] "Avar" "0.0469"
[5,] "Kaitag" "0.0472"
[6,] "Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0472"
[7,] "Kubachinian" "0.0479"
[8,] "Tabasaran" "0.0485"
[9,] "Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0496"
[10,] "Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0498"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "67.9 % Darginian + 32.1 % Finnish_East" "0.0402"
[2,] "70.7 % Darginian + 29.3 % Saami" "0.0406"
[3,] "69.8 % Darginian + 30.2 % Karelian" "0.0407"
[4,] "68.8 % Darginian + 31.2 % Finnish" "0.0409"
[5,] "69.3 % Darginian + 30.7 % Ingrian" "0.041"
[6,] "67.1 % Darginian + 32.9 % Udmurt" "0.0412"
[7,] "32.7 % Finnish_East + 67.3 % Lak" "0.0414"
[8,] "69.6 % Lak + 30.4 % Saami" "0.0415"
[9,] "73.1 % Darginian + 26.9 % Vepsian" "0.0415"
[10,] "74.2 % Darginian + 25.8 % Estonian" "0.0415"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Darginian + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0426"
[2,] "50% % Lak + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0438"
[3,] "50% % Darginian + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0441"
[4,] "50% % Lak + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0442"
[5,] "50% % Kaitag + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0443"
[6,] "50% % Avar + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0444"
[7,] "50% % Kubachinian + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0445"
[8,] "50% % Avar + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0445"
[9,] "50% % Kaitag + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0448"
[10,] "50% % Kubachinian + 50% % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0449"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=3.9586"

Darginian,49.8
Finnish_East,21.3
Tajik_Rushan,19.4
Udmurt,9.1
Nahua,0.4

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=4.0082"

Darginian,49.2
Tajik_Rushan,25.4
Udmurt,8
Saami,3.2
Finnish_East,3
Icelandic,2.2
Ingrian,1.8
Norwegian,1
Shetlandic,1
Vepsian,1
Finnish,0.8
Karelian,0.8
Tajik_Shugnan,0.6
Lak,0.4
Besermyan,0.2
Estonian,0.2
Irish,0.2
Komi,0.2
Latvian,0.2
Lithuanian_SZ,0.2
Mari,0.2
Swedish,0.2

In other words, the PIE peoples of Asia weren't purely genetically Whites/Europeans, and by Stormfront and other WN standards they're not Whites. And the last time I checked, modern day Caucasians(both north and south) and central Asians like Pashtuns and Tajiks aren't Whites. Bonus, here's the average results of the ancient Alans of Russia:

[1,] "Kumyk" "0.0126"
[2,] "Chechen" "0.0143"
[3,] "Ingushian" "0.0165"
[4,] "Balkar" "0.0174"
[5,] "Kabardin" "0.0179"
[6,] "Karachay" "0.0184"
[7,] "Tabasaran" "0.0186"
[8,] "Circassian" "0.0193"
[9,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "0.0194"
[10,] "Cherkes" "0.0202"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "80.6 % Chechen + 19.4 % Italian_Lazio" "0.0093"
[2,] "72.1 % Chechen + 27.9 % Turkish_Istanbul" "0.0094"
[3,] "79.6 % Chechen + 20.4 % Italian_Molise" "0.0095"
[4,] "79.2 % Chechen + 20.8 % Greek_Kos" "0.0095"
[5,] "73.2 % Chechen + 26.8 % Turkish_Adana" "0.0097"
[6,] "89.1 % Chechen + 10.9 % Sardinian" "0.0097"
[7,] "80.7 % Chechen + 19.3 % Greek" "0.0098"
[8,] "71.7 % Chechen + 28.3 % Turkish_Central" "0.0098"
[9,] "77.4 % Chechen + 22.6 % Greek_Central_Anatolia" "0.0098"
[10,] "80.4 % Chechen + 19.6 % Italian_Basilicata" "0.0098"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Chechen + 50% % Kumyk" "0.012"
[2,] "50% % Kabardin + 50% % Tabasaran" "0.0122"
[3,] "50% % Karachay + 50% % Tabasaran" "0.0125"
[4,] "50% % Circassian + 50% % Tabasaran" "0.0125"
[5,] "50% % Abazin + 50% % Avar" "0.0131"
[6,] "50% % Balkar + 50% % Tabasaran" "0.0135"
[7,] "50% % Abazin + 50% % Tabasaran" "0.0136"
[8,] "50% % Avar + 50% % Circassian" "0.0139"
[9,] "50% % Avar + 50% % Cherkes" "0.0141"
[10,] "50% % Cherkes + 50% % Tabasaran" "0.0141"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=0.5904"

Chechen,32.4
Darginian,26.5
Georgian_Laz,15
Armenian_Hemsheni,9.1
Spanish_La_Rioja,8.5
Makrani,1.9
Mansi,1.7
Luhya_Kenya,1
Yakut,1
Lebbo,0.9
Ket,0.6
Surui,0.6
Sudanese,0.4
Ethiopian_Anuak,0.2
Murut,0.1
Spanish_Soria,0.1

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=0.8682"

Chechen,37.8
Kumyk,21.8
Darginian,5.6
Balkar,2.4
Tabasaran,2.4
Georgian_Imer,1.6
Georgian_Laz,1.6
Abkhasian,1.4
Adygei,1.4
Kubachinian,1.4
Turkish_Trabzon,1.4
Armenian_Hemsheni,1.2
Turkish_Kayseri,1.2
Greek_Trabzon,1
Tajik_Rushan,1
Armenian,0.6
Azeri,0.6
English_Cornwall,0.6
Kurdish,0.6
Tajik_Ishkashim,0.6
Tajik_Shugnan,0.6
Turkish_Central,0.6
Yusufzai,0.6
Abazin,0.4
Avar,0.4
Azeri_Dagestan,0.4
Cherkes,0.4
Italian_Piedmont,0.4
Maori,0.4
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.4
Spanish_Cataluna,0.4
Swiss_German,0.4
Tajik_Yagnobi,0.4
Talysh_Azerbaijan,0.4
Turkish_Adana,0.4
Udmurt,0.4
Assyrian,0.2
Bolivian_LaPaz,0.2
Bulgarian,0.2
Cambodian,0.2
Dusun,0.2
Ethiopian_Anuak,0.2
French_Alsace,0.2
French_Auvergne,0.2
French_Brittany,0.2
French_Paris,0.2
Greek_Central_Anatolia,0.2
Gujar_Pakistan,0.2
Indonesian_Java,0.2
Iranian_Fars,0.2
Iranian_Zoroastrian,0.2
Italian_Basilicata,0.2
Italian_Campania,0.2
Italian_Lazio,0.2
Italian_Marche,0.2
Kaitag,0.2
Moldavian,0.2
Montenegrin,0.2
Orcadian,0.2
Ossetian,0.2
Quechua,0.2
Sakha,0.2
Scottish,0.2
Selkup,0.2
Spanish_Aragon,0.2
Spanish_Baleares,0.2
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona,0.2
Swiss_French,0.2
Turkish_Istanbul,0.2
Turkish_Northwest,0.2

And the ancient Sarmatians of Russia(Caucasus):

[1,] "Tajik_Rushan" "0.0317"
[2,] "Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0322"
[3,] "Tajik_Ishkashim" "0.0341"
[4,] "Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0354"
[5,] "Tajik" "0.0368"
[6,] "Tabasaran" "0.04"
[7,] "Lak" "0.0409"
[8,] "Avar" "0.0413"
[9,] "Darginian" "0.0413"
[10,] "Bashkir" "0.0414"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "69.5 % Tajik_Rushan + 30.5 % Udmurt" "0.0277"
[2,] "16.6 % Mansi + 83.4 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.028"
[3,] "14 % Ket + 86 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0283"
[4,] "15.4 % Khanty + 84.6 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0284"
[5,] "30 % Besermyan + 70 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0285"
[6,] "70.1 % Tajik_Shugnan + 29.9 % Udmurt" "0.0287"
[7,] "65.1 % Tajik_Ishkashim + 34.9 % Udmurt" "0.0287"
[8,] "79 % Tajik_Rushan + 21 % Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye" "0.0287"
[9,] "27.2 % Komi + 72.8 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.0288"
[10,] "12.7 % Selkup + 87.3 % Tajik_Rushan" "0.029"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Tajik_Rushan + 50% % Tajik_Shugnan" "0.0319"
[2,] "50% % Bashkir + 50% % Darginian" "0.0322"
[3,] "50% % Bashkir + 50% % Lak" "0.0323"
[4,] "50% % Besermyan + 50% % Kubachinian" "0.0327"
[5,] "50% % Tarkalani + 50% % Udmurt" "0.0328"
[6,] "50% % Avar + 50% % Bashkir" "0.0331"
[7,] "50% % Besermyan + 50% % Lak" "0.0332"
[8,] "50% % Besermyan + 50% % Jatt_Pathak" "0.0332"
[9,] "50% % Kubachinian + 50% % Udmurt" "0.0333"
[10,] "50% % Besermyan + 50% % Kho_Singanali" "0.0335"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=2.5804"

Tajik_Rushan,40.6
Lak,18.1
Cossack_Kuban,10.5
Shor_Khakassia,6.9
Jatt_Pathak,6.8
Udmurt,5.2
Mansi,4.4
Ket,4.3
Ju_hoan_North,1
Lithuanian_SZ,1
Tlingit,0.9
Cree,0.3

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=2.7089"

Tajik_Rushan,44.8
Tajik_Shugnan,12.4
Udmurt,6
Lak,5.8
Darginian,4.4
Tubalar,3
Besermyan,2.8
Shor,2.2
Jatt_Pathak,2
Ingrian,1.8
Komi,1.6
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye,1.6
Kubachinian,1.4
Khanty,1.2
Shor_Khakassia,1
Shor_Mountain,1
Cossack_Kuban,0.8
Ket,0.8
Shetlandic,0.6
Slovakian,0.6
Estonian,0.4
Lithuanian_PA,0.4
Norwegian,0.4
Russian_Kostroma,0.4
Russian_Tver,0.4
Finnish_East,0.2
Ju_hoan_North,0.2
Latvian,0.2
Lithuanian_VZ,0.2
Mansi,0.2
Mordovian,0.2
Polish,0.2
Russian_Orel,0.2
Selkup,0.2
Sorb_Niederlausitz,0.2
Tlingit,0.2

Using the R program for G25 results is a bitch.

Leto

11-25-2019, 10:53 AM

Kamal900

11-25-2019, 11:05 AM

That's all nice and interesting but the Sintashta were not like modern Caucasians. If they were alive today, lived in Europe and were Catholics or Protestants, they would be considered white. Stormfront is irrelevant in 2019, who cares about those retards. If Greeks and Italians are accepted as white, why can't a group which scores 50% North European be accepted as well? I score 56% or so myself, I'll send you my photo, @Toppo900
That being said, I agree the Sintashta and other Bronze Age cultures were not exactly the same as any modern European population.

Gedmatch is pretty much outdated by most people and using G25 is much more better. Well, I compared the ancient peoples to today's populations. Um, I think you're confusing the Sintashta with Yamnaya results. Sintasha were a mixture between Corded Ware Europeans and neolithic Iranian farmers.

Leto

11-25-2019, 11:17 AM

Gedmatch is pretty much outdated by most people and using G25 is much more better. Well, I compared the ancient peoples to today's populations. Um, I think you're confusing the Sintashta with Yamnaya results. Sintasha were a mixture between Corded Ware Europeans and neolithic Iranian farmers.
How come? They never lived in Iran. The Sintashta river is in Southern Chelyabinsk, I believe, the Ural Federal District of Russia. Near the Kazakhstan border.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Chelyabinsk_in_Russia.svg/800px-Chelyabinsk_in_Russia.svg.png

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 11:20 AM

Cool results man. You are quite typical for a southern pashtun.

Kamal900

11-25-2019, 11:23 AM

Kamal900

11-25-2019, 11:42 AM

How come? They never lived in Iran. The Sintashta river is in Southern Chelyabinsk, I believe, the Ural Federal District of Russia. Near the Kazakhstan border.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Chelyabinsk_in_Russia.svg/800px-Chelyabinsk_in_Russia.svg.png

Neolithic Iranians from Wezmeh cave of western Iran:

[1,] "Makrani" "0.0463"
[2,] "Balochi" "0.0492"
[3,] "Brahui" "0.0496"
[4,] "Iranian_Bandari" "0.0588"
[5,] "Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0622"
[6,] "Iranian_Seyyed" "0.0695"
[7,] "Iranian_Lor" "0.0695"
[8,] "Iranian_Zoroastrian" "0.0699"
[9,] "Iranian_Fars" "0.0702"
[10,] "Kalash" "0.0704"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "9.6 % Gujar_Pakistan + 90.4 % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0621"
[2,] "91.4 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 8.6 % Sindhi" "0.0621"
[3,] "93.8 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 6.2 % Kalash" "0.0622"
[4,] "53.4 % Iranian_Lor + 46.6 % Kalash" "0.0667"
[5,] "37.2 % Gujar_Pakistan + 62.8 % Iranian_Lor" "0.0672"
[6,] "54.4 % Iranian_Seyyed + 45.6 % Kalash" "0.0673"
[7,] "61.9 % Iranian_Lor + 38.1 % Sindhi" "0.0674"
[8,] "55.4 % Kalash + 44.6 % Kurdish" "0.0676"
[9,] "52.9 % Iranian_Zoroastrian + 47.1 % Kalash" "0.0677"
[10,] "34.8 % Gujar_Pakistan + 65.2 % Iranian_Seyyed" "0.0677"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Makrani" "0.0489"
[2,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Makrani" "0.0494"
[3,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Brahui" "0.0496"
[4,] "50% % Iranian_Bandari + 50% % Makrani" "0.0578"
[5,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Iranian_Bandari" "0.0579"
[6,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Iranian_Bandari" "0.0579"
[7,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0599"
[8,] "50% % Iranian_Mazandarani + 50% % Makrani" "0.0599"
[9,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0599"
[10,] "50% % Iranian_Bandari + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0616"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=4.6499"

Makrani,87.9
Balochi,10.1
Brahui,1.9
Iranian_Mazandarani,0.1

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=4.6549"

Makrani,87.2
Balochi,7.2
Brahui,5.4
Iranian_Bandari,0.2

Neolithic Iranians from Tepe Abdul Hosein of Luristan, Iran:

[1,] "Makrani" "0.0512"
[2,] "Balochi" "0.0532"
[3,] "Brahui" "0.0534"
[4,] "Iranian_Bandari" "0.0644"
[5,] "Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0686"
[6,] "Kalash" "0.0724"
[7,] "Tarkalani" "0.0745"
[8,] "Iranian_Zoroastrian" "0.0755"
[9,] "Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0758"
[10,] "Iranian_Seyyed" "0.0758"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "71.4 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 28.6 % Kalash" "0.0679"
[2,] "16.7 % Gujar_Pakistan + 83.3 % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0682"
[3,] "84.8 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 15.2 % Sindhi" "0.0683"
[4,] "88.7 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 11.3 % Tarkalani" "0.0685"
[5,] "96.9 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 3.1 % Kho_Singanali" "0.0686"
[6,] "97.8 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 2.2 % Punjabi_Jatt" "0.0686"
[7,] "99.2 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 0.8 % Yusufzai" "0.0686"
[8,] "33.3 % Iranian_Lor + 66.7 % Kalash" "0.071"
[9,] "32.7 % Iranian_Seyyed + 67.3 % Kalash" "0.0713"
[10,] "32.9 % Iranian_Zoroastrian + 67.1 % Kalash" "0.0714"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Makrani" "0.0529"
[2,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Makrani" "0.0532"
[3,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Brahui" "0.0534"
[4,] "50% % Iranian_Bandari + 50% % Makrani" "0.0635"
[5,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Iranian_Bandari" "0.0635"
[6,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Iranian_Bandari" "0.0635"
[7,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0665"
[8,] "50% % Iranian_Mazandarani + 50% % Makrani" "0.0665"
[9,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0665"
[10,] "50% % Iranian_Bandari + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.068"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=5.1324"

Makrani,88
Balochi,10.7
Brahui,1
Iranian_Mazandarani,0.2
Iranian_Bandari,0.1

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=5.1331"

Makrani,87
Balochi,7.2
Brahui,5.8

Neolithic Iranians from Ganj Dareh also from Luristan, Iran

[1,] "Makrani" "0.0533"
[2,] "Balochi" "0.0554"
[3,] "Brahui" "0.0556"
[4,] "Iranian_Bandari" "0.0667"
[5,] "Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0709"
[6,] "Kalash" "0.0748"
[7,] "Tarkalani" "0.0766"
[8,] "Iranian_Zoroastrian" "0.078"
[9,] "Iranian_Seyyed" "0.0782"
[10,] "Uthmankhel" "0.0785"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "72.9 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 27.1 % Kalash" "0.0702"
[2,] "18.7 % Gujar_Pakistan + 81.3 % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0704"
[3,] "83 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 17 % Sindhi" "0.0705"
[4,] "88.4 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 11.6 % Tarkalani" "0.0708"
[5,] "96.8 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 3.2 % Punjabi_Jatt" "0.0709"
[6,] "98.1 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 1.9 % Kho_Singanali" "0.0709"
[7,] "98.7 % Iranian_Mazandarani + 1.3 % Yusufzai" "0.0709"
[8,] "33.5 % Iranian_Lor + 66.5 % Kalash" "0.0734"
[9,] "32.1 % Iranian_Seyyed + 67.9 % Kalash" "0.0738"
[10,] "73.3 % Kalash + 26.7 % Kurdish" "0.0738"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Makrani" "0.0551"
[2,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Makrani" "0.0554"
[3,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Brahui" "0.0556"
[4,] "50% % Iranian_Bandari + 50% % Makrani" "0.0659"
[5,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Iranian_Bandari" "0.0659"
[6,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Iranian_Bandari" "0.0659"
[7,] "50% % Brahui + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0688"
[8,] "50% % Iranian_Mazandarani + 50% % Makrani" "0.0689"
[9,] "50% % Balochi + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0689"
[10,] "50% % Iranian_Bandari + 50% % Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0703"
[1] "nMONTE 1"
[1] "distance%=5.346"

Makrani,86.8
Balochi,11.2
Brahui,1.7
Iranian_Mazandarani,0.2
Iranian_Bandari,0.1

[1] "nMONTE 3"
[1] "distance%=5.3489"

Makrani,85.8
Brahui,7.4
Balochi,6.6
Iranian_Mazandarani,0.2

As you can clearly see, the people today that have the highest genetic affinity to these neolithic peoples of Iran are the Baloch, Makrani and other Iranic peoples of Caspian sea, Kalash and etc. They give us a glimpse on how they were genetically before the migrations from the Eurasian steppes to the region and mixing and assimilating the natives.

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 11:57 AM

Actually, i dont. Im closer to more westurasian indians/pakis than to caucasians/iranians.

However im equally as close to pamiris and maybe east iranians too and to these westurasian indians/pakis(who arent too atypical though). THe indic samples are just significantly more south asian than usual.

ALso, it isnt too uncommon for afghans from the south or pashtuns from PAK too. I have actually a lot of samples of pashtuns being more westeurasian or just as much as i am.

Going by your favourite nmonte(lol), here is a pca plot of western eurasians. The "pashtun" cluster is swat samples ( uthmankhel, tarakalani and yusufzai) from pakistan. You have a few Afghan pashtun samples further northwest from it.

https://i.imgur.com/k7SyYw1.jpg

I would say we have more of a pull towards Turkey, tajik pamiris and azeris than Iran according to this. The seriaki, kohistani, khatri samples are all from swat too. You can see the Pakistani swat Pashtuns are more western shifted.

Now here is a dstat list for populations closest to Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns respectively.

Afghan pashtun

https://i.imgur.com/g4LamnD.jpg

Pakistani pashtun
https://i.imgur.com/Rn75IVQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/0geWLK7.jpg

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 12:06 PM

Going by your favourite nmonte(lol), here is a pca plot of western eurasians. The "pashtun" cluster is swat samples ( uthmankhel, tarakalani and yusufzai) from pakistan. You have a few Afghan pashtun samples further northwest from it.

https://i.imgur.com/k7SyYw1.jpg

I would say we have more of a pull towards Turkey, tajik pamiris and azeris than Iran according to this. The seriaki, kohistani, khatri samples are all from swat too. You can see the Pakistani swat Pashtuns are more western shifted.

Now here is a dstat list for populations closest to Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns respectively.

Afghan pashtun

https://i.imgur.com/g4LamnD.jpg

Pakistani pashtun
https://i.imgur.com/Rn75IVQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/0geWLK7.jpg

Well, your dstats might be good.

But i was talking about my genetic shifted based on nmonte and gedmatch though, not d-stats.

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 12:08 PM

Well, your dstats might be good.

But i was talking about my genetic shifted based on nmonte and gedmatch though, not d-stats.

Well according to that pca plot ( I will post more when I get the chance), you should cluster more northwest than the pashtun Afghan samples, around ishkashim but a slight pull towards Azeri/Persian cluster.

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 12:14 PM

Well according to that pca plot ( I will post more when I get the chance), you should cluster more northwest than the pashtun Afghan samples, around ishkashim but a slight pull towards Azeri/Persian cluster.

Interesting....

Does your PCA plot say ALL kandahari pashtuns are placed like that or just me?

Kyp

11-25-2019, 12:25 PM

That's all nice and interesting but the Sintashta were not like modern Caucasians. If they were alive today, lived in Europe and were Catholics or Protestants, they would be considered white. Stormfront is irrelevant in 2019, who cares about those retards. If Greeks and Italians are accepted as white, why can't a group which scores 50% North European be accepted as well? I score 56% or so myself, I'll send you my photo, @Toppo900
That being said, I agree the Sintashta and other Bronze Age cultures were not exactly the same as any modern European population.

I think no one is denying that the proto iranics can be considered white.
Judging from their results they must have looked proto-nordid or irano-nordoid imo. White with ruggish and chisseled features. Similar to Cordeds.

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 12:29 PM

Interesting....

Does your PCA plot say ALL kandahari pashtuns are placed like that or just me?

Going by your harappa world results ( yeah I know gedmatch are two different methods and models), you seem to be very similar to southern Pashtuns. Btw, southern Pashtuns are not present in that pca plot. Its only Pakistani Pashtuns and afghan Pashtuns from North /east.

Kyp

11-25-2019, 12:48 PM

Corded Ware Mixed Mode

1 77.4% lithuanian (behar) + 22.6% brahui (hgdp) @ 5.05
2 77.3% lithuanian (behar) + 22.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 5.56
3 77% lithuanian (behar) + 23% balochi (hgdp) @ 5.57
4 75.6% lithuanian (behar) + 24.4% bhatia (harappa) @ 7.59
5 75.5% lithuanian (behar) + 24.5% kalash (hgdp) @ 7.74
6 75.2% lithuanian (behar) + 24.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 8.04
7 77.5% lithuanian (behar) + 22.5% sindhi (hgdp) @ 8.13
8 75.6% lithuanian (behar) + 24.4% burusho (hgdp) @ 8.26
9 71.3% lithuanian (behar) + 28.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 8.27
10 81.6% belorussian (behar) + 18.4% brahui (hgdp) @ 8.44
11 77.4% lithuanian (behar) + 22.6% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 8.59
12 76.4% lithuanian (behar) + 23.6% sindhi (harappa) @ 8.69
13 75.4% lithuanian (behar) + 24.6% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 8.77
14 74.7% lithuanian (behar) + 25.3% pashtun (harappa) @ 8.87
15 73.3% lithuanian (behar) + 26.7% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 8.87
16 81.5% belorussian (behar) + 18.5% balochi (hgdp) @ 8.97
17 81.8% belorussian (behar) + 18.2% makrani (hgdp) @ 9.12
18 76.3% lithuanian (behar) + 23.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 9.21
19 77.9% lithuanian (behar) + 22.1% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 9.45
20 77.3% lithuanian (behar) + 22.7% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 9.5

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 12:55 PM

Going by your harappa world results ( yeah I know gedmatch are two different methods and models), you seem to be very similar to southern Pashtuns. Btw, southern Pashtuns are not present in that pca plot. Its only Pakistani Pashtuns and afghan Pashtuns from North /east.

I know.

Just funny you came to that conclusion based on the PCA. I wouldnbt be closer to the ishkashimis compared the other AFG pashtuns. At least no 22af.

I seen my own distances on nmonte.

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 01:18 PM

I know.

Just funny you came to that conclusion based on the PCA. I wouldnbt be closer to the ishkashimis compared the other AFG pashtuns. At least no 22af.

I seen my own distances on nmonte.

More pca plots

https://i.imgur.com/55deMbk.png
https://i.imgur.com/V2qeRl0.png
https://i.imgur.com/4bWEYL2.png

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 02:11 PM

More pca plots

https://i.imgur.com/55deMbk.png
https://i.imgur.com/V2qeRl0.png
https://i.imgur.com/4bWEYL2.png

Seems pretty interesting

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 02:31 PM

Seems pretty interesting

Here is an analysis by a pashtun guy

"Comparing Pashtuns, I don’t see any difference in ASI levels, when construing Pashtuns as eastern/northern versus western/southern.

For example, between an eastern Pashtun like myself and a western Ghilzai Pashtun from Ghazni, there is no difference at all when it comes to ASI ancestry (0.45%), the Ghilzai/Durrani Afghan Pashtuns that were collected in the northern provinces (Kunduz, Baghlan, etc) are only 1% less ASI than myself, and an Afghan Pashtun from Khost is only 2% less ASI than myself. Full biological siblings can vary far more than that, when it comes to affinity towards populations, or in terms of percentages with regard to a single component.

In this respect, it seems tribal Pashtuns in Pakistan are very different from people across the Indus river, who have much more noticeable ASI admixture (seems like around 10% ASI for tribal Pashtuns versus around 20% for some Sindhis and some Punjabi Jatts. Although, it seems many people in Sindh and Punjab have much more than 20% ASI. We need more sampling).

Although ASI doesn’t differentiate western Afghan Pashtuns from eastern tribal Pashtuns, there is still one primary difference, a very consistent difference.

Basically, all western Pashtuns have noticeable or substantial Iran_Chalcolithic affinity, while a Pashtun like me is almost allergic to those samples, in many different modelling schemes.

Although, the Mohmand Pashtun from Pakistan’s tribal areas (who, by the way, should be extremely representative for many Afghan Pashtuns in Nangarhar) has noticeable Iran_Chalcolithic, he really does deviate in the direction of western Pashtuns, even though he has a very tiny/slight hair more of ASI admixture than me.

But this isn’t too surprising; the Mohmand were originally western Pashtuns (they have supposed roots in greater Kandahar).

Interestingly, the Khostwal Pashtun from Afghanistan is identical to Pakistani Pashtuns in Waziristan.

Anyway, if any Pashtuns have Scythian-related admixture, or more Sintashta/Andronovo-like admixture, versus the original EHG-rich steppe component that came to this region in prehistory, it is Pashtuns with backgrounds like this individual. I think that it is in Waziristan, Khost, and among the Karlani Pashtuns of greater Paktia, that we see Pashtuns with some ancestry from later steppe populations on the Sintashta/Andronovo/Scythian spectrum."

SharpFork

11-25-2019, 02:42 PM

Here is an analysis by a pashtun guy

"Comparing Pashtuns, I don’t see any difference in ASI levels, when construing Pashtuns as eastern/northern versus western/southern.

For example, between an eastern Pashtun like myself and a western Ghilzai Pashtun from Ghazni, there is no difference at all when it comes to ASI ancestry (0.45%), the Ghilzai/Durrani Afghan Pashtuns that were collected in the northern provinces (Kunduz, Baghlan, etc) are only 1% less ASI than myself, and an Afghan Pashtun from Khost is only 2% less ASI than myself. Full biological siblings can vary far more than that, when it comes to affinity towards populations, or in terms of percentages with regard to a single component.

In this respect, it seems tribal Pashtuns in Pakistan are very different from people across the Indus river, who have much more noticeable ASI admixture (seems like around 10% ASI for tribal Pashtuns versus around 20% for some Sindhis and some Punjabi Jatts. Although, it seems many people in Sindh and Punjab have much more than 20% ASI. We need more sampling).

Although ASI doesn’t differentiate western Afghan Pashtuns from eastern tribal Pashtuns, there is still one primary difference, a very consistent difference.

Basically, all western Pashtuns have noticeable or substantial Iran_Chalcolithic affinity, while a Pashtun like me is almost allergic to those samples, in many different modelling schemes.

Although, the Mohmand Pashtun from Pakistan’s tribal areas (who, by the way, should be extremely representative for many Afghan Pashtuns in Nangarhar) has noticeable Iran_Chalcolithic, he really does deviate in the direction of western Pashtuns, even though he has a very tiny/slight hair more of ASI admixture than me.

But this isn’t too surprising; the Mohmand were originally western Pashtuns (they have supposed roots in greater Kandahar).

Interestingly, the Khostwal Pashtun from Afghanistan is identical to Pakistani Pashtuns in Waziristan.

Anyway, if any Pashtuns have Scythian-related admixture, or more Sintashta/Andronovo-like admixture, versus the original EHG-rich steppe component that came to this region in prehistory, it is Pashtuns with backgrounds like this individual. I think that it is in Waziristan, Khost, and among the Karlani Pashtuns of greater Paktia, that we see Pashtuns with some ancestry from later steppe populations on the Sintashta/Andronovo/Scythian spectrum."
Does ASI in this context include all South Eurasian admixture? How much non West Eurasian are Pashtuns if not?

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 03:08 PM

Here is an analysis by a pashtun guy

"Comparing Pashtuns, I don’t see any difference in ASI levels, when construing Pashtuns as eastern/northern versus western/southern.

For example, between an eastern Pashtun like myself and a western Ghilzai Pashtun from Ghazni, there is no difference at all when it comes to ASI ancestry (0.45%), the Ghilzai/Durrani Afghan Pashtuns that were collected in the northern provinces (Kunduz, Baghlan, etc) are only 1% less ASI than myself, and an Afghan Pashtun from Khost is only 2% less ASI than myself. Full biological siblings can vary far more than that, when it comes to affinity towards populations, or in terms of percentages with regard to a single component.

In this respect, it seems tribal Pashtuns in Pakistan are very different from people across the Indus river, who have much more noticeable ASI admixture (seems like around 10% ASI for tribal Pashtuns versus around 20% for some Sindhis and some Punjabi Jatts. Although, it seems many people in Sindh and Punjab have much more than 20% ASI. We need more sampling).

Although ASI doesn’t differentiate western Afghan Pashtuns from eastern tribal Pashtuns, there is still one primary difference, a very consistent difference.

Basically, all western Pashtuns have noticeable or substantial Iran_Chalcolithic affinity, while a Pashtun like me is almost allergic to those samples, in many different modelling schemes.

Although, the Mohmand Pashtun from Pakistan’s tribal areas (who, by the way, should be extremely representative for many Afghan Pashtuns in Nangarhar) has noticeable Iran_Chalcolithic, he really does deviate in the direction of western Pashtuns, even though he has a very tiny/slight hair more of ASI admixture than me.

But this isn’t too surprising; the Mohmand were originally western Pashtuns (they have supposed roots in greater Kandahar).

Interestingly, the Khostwal Pashtun from Afghanistan is identical to Pakistani Pashtuns in Waziristan.

Anyway, if any Pashtuns have Scythian-related admixture, or more Sintashta/Andronovo-like admixture, versus the original EHG-rich steppe component that came to this region in prehistory, it is Pashtuns with backgrounds like this individual. I think that it is in Waziristan, Khost, and among the Karlani Pashtuns of greater Paktia, that we see Pashtuns with some ancestry from later steppe populations on the Sintashta/Andronovo/Scythian spectrum."

Oh yeah, thats sein.

Im not sure to fully trust him. Apparently davidski thinks he's knowledgeable about central asia/AFG, but i havent seen kurd interact or give an opinion about sein.

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 03:15 PM

Oh yeah, thats sein.

Im not sure to fully trust him. Apparently davidski thinks he's knowledgeable about central asia/AFG, but i havent seen kurd interact or give an opinion about sein.

In what regards or reason you don't trust him? These things are quite objective as well. He is very well known in the genetic anthro community and regularly posts in eurogenes forum. I thought you didn't trust kurd?

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 03:17 PM

In what regards or reason you don't trust him? These things are quite objective as well. He is very well known in the genetic anthro community and regularly posts in eurogenes forum. I thought you didn't trust kurd?

Im not sure with either, but kurd seems to also know a bit more than sein.

Anyway, how do you know he's still there?

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 03:19 PM

Does ASI in this context include all South Eurasian admixture? How much non West Eurasian are Pashtuns if not?

South Central Asians usually prefer east Asian proxies than to onge.

Afghans are about roughly 88-91% Western eurasian

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 03:20 PM

Im not sure with either, but kurd seems to also know a bit more than sein.

Anyway, how do you know he's still there?

I haven't checked eurogenes site recently, so maybe he isn't their

hussein khan

11-25-2019, 03:28 PM

Im not sure if he's there either. I did check eurogenes this year and he wasnt around much. He did appear some months ago on some other forum and answered some of my questions.

Im not sure if he even is avaiable anymore.

Thambi

11-25-2019, 04:38 PM

South Central Asians usually prefer east Asian proxies than to onge.

Afghans are about roughly 88-91% Western eurasian

who are included in 'south-central' asian group?

Mingle

11-25-2019, 04:41 PM

The PROTO Iranians were almost like the Corded Ware, that's the group I was talking about.

Proto-Indo-Iranians (Sintashta/Andronovo) were sorta like Corded Ware. Proto-Iranians were heavily mixed with BMAC.

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 04:58 PM

who are included in 'south-central' asian group?

Pashtuns, tajiks, kalash, even sindhis apparently favoured east asians rather than onge, east of the indus past Punjab, they favoured onge more, so that included jatts, brahmins etc

Thambi

11-25-2019, 05:09 PM

Pashtuns, tajiks, kalash, even sindhis apparently favoured east asians rather than onge, east of the indus past Punjab, they favoured onge more, so that included jatts, brahmins etc

tajiks maybe but rest definitely get more onge pull than east asian pull.

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 05:12 PM

Some more pca plots

https://i.imgur.com/ENllCS5.png
https://i.imgur.com/YlOAP1M.png
https://i.imgur.com/0NMZyZk.png
https://i.imgur.com/BmRB2GS.jpg

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 05:15 PM

tajiks maybe but rest definitely get more onge pull than east asian pull.

"
All of these were done using my standard setup, which only uses ancient West Eurasian references (with the addition of Ust-Ishim and Mota), and countless contemporary references for African, Siberian/East Asian, indigenous South Asian, and Oceanian/Australasian ancestry.

There are many more reference populations, but obviously, I'm only showing the ones for which samples/populations scored percentages.

Most importantly, my aim is to test everyone under identical conditions. I really want these results to be totally comparable, in terms of the variation on which these models are built. Only in the case of South Central Asians was an additional population excluded (Vietnamese_South). I did this because Vietnamese_South really eats into the South Central Asian Jarawa/Onge/Agta percentages. For some Pashtuns, the Jarawa/Onge/Agta just disappear from the models when the Vietnamese are included.

The Vietnamese do not have this effect in South Asia, so they were included in all other models, as I had Austroasiatic and Northeastern Indian populations in mind.

Hopefully, with aDNA from outside West Eurasia, we'll arrive at even more solid models. Right now, this setup works best with people who have around 10% or more West Eurasian admixture.

Regardless, let me explain some of my choices here.

I have included Samara_Eneolithic, rather than Yamnaya, or later steppe populations like Sintashta.

Mainly, I did this because I really wanted to zero-in on that extra ANE affinity many South Central Asians seem to display, especially in comparison to the currently sampled Neolithic Iranians.

Also, Lazaridis et al. (2016) did model South Asia with Samara_Eneolithic. In fact, it was one of the steppe/Eastern European populations which allowed for the successful modelling of all 20 South Asian populations. As a result, I really wanted to see how things would look using Samara_Eneolithic.

In addition, I wanted to see distinctions, with regard to the ANE affinity seen in South Asia. Or, in other words, I wanted to see if there really are any differences in the origins of the ANE affinities often seen in South Asia. To that end, I also included two purely ANE references, MA1 and AG3.

Anyway, what I've found has been very pleasing. Peninsular South Asians prefer AG3, while northwestern South Asians + South Central Asians prefer Samara_Eneolithic.

To me, these results are reflective of differences in genetic input from ancient steppe populations (ones which had origins in Eastern Europe/the Pontic Caspian steppe). The AG3 percentages seem to reflect an ANE substratum that was local to Central Asia. Although, it seems that things get muddled for South Indian Brahmins (and some North Indians). But that was expected, as we can get close to perfection, but we can’t fully attain it.

Be that as it may, the results themselves are obvious; there is a lot of extra ANE/EHG-related admixture in South Central Asia, approximately equal to the amounts seen in Northern Europe (and with Pamiri peoples + Chitrali Dardic people, more ANE/EHG-related admixture than what is seen in Northern Europe).

As a reminder, Samara_Eneolithic is far more EHG-shifted compared to Yamnaya (and Yamnaya itself is around 50% EHG-related).

To represent true ASI (and not some hybrid component, one which is usually mixed between Andaman-related and Neolithic Iranian-related ancestries), I have used the Jarawa (a population from the Andaman Islands, they should be genetically identical to the Onge) and the Agta (a "Negrito" population from the Philippines).

I've found that populations from Punjab and beyond prefer the Jarawa, while people west of the Indus river (and from Central Asia) prefer the Agta.

This isn't surprising, as the Agta are 30%-40% Southeast Asian (and 40% Andaman-related, with an additional 10% of Australian/Papuan-related ancestry), and South Central Asians (Kalash, Pashtuns, and even Sindhis) prefer East Asians to Onge when it comes to d-stat comparisons (a clear bias towards Dai versus Onge, in some d-stats David ran for us), so they'll naturally prefer the Agta as an ASI reference."

Thambi

11-25-2019, 05:46 PM

"
All of these were done using my standard setup, which only uses ancient West Eurasian references (with the addition of Ust-Ishim and Mota), and countless contemporary references for African, Siberian/East Asian, indigenous South Asian, and Oceanian/Australasian ancestry.

There are many more reference populations, but obviously, I'm only showing the ones for which samples/populations scored percentages.

Most importantly, my aim is to test everyone under identical conditions. I really want these results to be totally comparable, in terms of the variation on which these models are built. Only in the case of South Central Asians was an additional population excluded (Vietnamese_South). I did this because Vietnamese_South really eats into the South Central Asian Jarawa/Onge/Agta percentages. For some Pashtuns, the Jarawa/Onge/Agta just disappear from the models when the Vietnamese are included.

The Vietnamese do not have this effect in South Asia, so they were included in all other models, as I had Austroasiatic and Northeastern Indian populations in mind.

Hopefully, with aDNA from outside West Eurasia, we'll arrive at even more solid models. Right now, this setup works best with people who have around 10% or more West Eurasian admixture.

Regardless, let me explain some of my choices here.

I have included Samara_Eneolithic, rather than Yamnaya, or later steppe populations like Sintashta.

Mainly, I did this because I really wanted to zero-in on that extra ANE affinity many South Central Asians seem to display, especially in comparison to the currently sampled Neolithic Iranians.

Also, Lazaridis et al. (2016) did model South Asia with Samara_Eneolithic. In fact, it was one of the steppe/Eastern European populations which allowed for the successful modelling of all 20 South Asian populations. As a result, I really wanted to see how things would look using Samara_Eneolithic.

In addition, I wanted to see distinctions, with regard to the ANE affinity seen in South Asia. Or, in other words, I wanted to see if there really are any differences in the origins of the ANE affinities often seen in South Asia. To that end, I also included two purely ANE references, MA1 and AG3.

Anyway, what I've found has been very pleasing. Peninsular South Asians prefer AG3, while northwestern South Asians + South Central Asians prefer Samara_Eneolithic.

To me, these results are reflective of differences in genetic input from ancient steppe populations (ones which had origins in Eastern Europe/the Pontic Caspian steppe). The AG3 percentages seem to reflect an ANE substratum that was local to Central Asia. Although, it seems that things get muddled for South Indian Brahmins (and some North Indians). But that was expected, as we can get close to perfection, but we can’t fully attain it.

Be that as it may, the results themselves are obvious; there is a lot of extra ANE/EHG-related admixture in South Central Asia, approximately equal to the amounts seen in Northern Europe (and with Pamiri peoples + Chitrali Dardic people, more ANE/EHG-related admixture than what is seen in Northern Europe).

As a reminder, Samara_Eneolithic is far more EHG-shifted compared to Yamnaya (and Yamnaya itself is around 50% EHG-related).

To represent true ASI (and not some hybrid component, one which is usually mixed between Andaman-related and Neolithic Iranian-related ancestries), I have used the Jarawa (a population from the Andaman Islands, they should be genetically identical to the Onge) and the Agta (a "Negrito" population from the Philippines).

I've found that populations from Punjab and beyond prefer the Jarawa, while people west of the Indus river (and from Central Asia) prefer the Agta.

This isn't surprising, as the Agta are 30%-40% Southeast Asian (and 40% Andaman-related, with an additional 10% of Australian/Papuan-related ancestry), and South Central Asians (Kalash, Pashtuns, and even Sindhis) prefer East Asians to Onge when it comes to d-stat comparisons (a clear bias towards Dai versus Onge, in some d-stats David ran for us), so they'll naturally prefer the Agta as an ASI reference."

wait did davidski do this or you? why use mixed asi/east asian population to prove that they prefer east asians over pure asi? why not use pure east asian population like actual han/dai rather than assuming? the reason south central asians pull that way is because they have actual mongoloid admix from the turkic/mongol groups. Pashtuns for example get 4-5% han like pull on G25 while punjabis and other south asians dont, besides bengalis/nepalis/ne indians for obvious reasons. South central asians have legit mongoloid mix hence they pull towards group that has both asi/mongoloid mix rather than pure asi. it doesnt mean those populations necessarily prefer east asians over asi. cause for 4-5% han, pashtuns would get 10-15% onge like pull. why not use pure version of both?

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 05:52 PM

wait did davidski do this or you? why use mixed asi/east asian population to prove that they prefer east asians over pure asi? why not use pure east asian population like actual han/dai rather than assuming? the reason south central asians pull that way is because they have actual mongoloid admix from the turkic/mongol groups. Pashtuns for example get 4-5% han like pull on G25 while punjabis and other south asians dont, besides bengalis/nepalis/ne indians for obvious reasons. South central asians have legit mongoloid mix hence they pull towards group that has both asi/mongoloid mix rather than pure asi. it doesnt mean those populations necessarily prefer east asians over asi. cause for 4-5% han, pashtuns would get 10-15% onge like pull. why not use pure version of both?

I took this from anthrogenica, the analysis was done by sein and many praised it including DMXX

Negah

11-25-2019, 06:07 PM

^^^who is sein? what is his educational background?

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 06:12 PM

^^^who is sein? what is his educational background?

He is a Pakistani pashtun, not too informed on his educational background, however has been fairly present collabing with davidski and Co on eurogenes etc

Thambi

11-25-2019, 06:13 PM

I took this from anthrogenica, the analysis was done by sein and many praised it including DMXX

this is what i meant. I used agta, mongola, han, dai for east asian proxies and jarawa for ASI proxy. Tajiks are the only ones that prefer east asian over jarawa, while all the others only prefer jarawa. the fits arent that great because these populations obviosuly dont have direct mix from onge populations. there needs to be a iran_N/ASI mixed pop like paniyas/irulas would obviously work better. but compared to east asian, se asian/asi mixed populations, jarawa seems to work better.

https://i.imgur.com/pIHzqha.png

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 06:40 PM

this is what i meant. I used agta, mongola, han, dai for east asian proxies and jarawa for ASI proxy. Tajiks are the only ones that prefer east asian over jarawa, while all the others only prefer jarawa. the fits arent that great because these populations obviosuly dont have direct mix from onge populations. there needs to be a iran_N/ASI mixed pop like paniyas/irulas would obviously work better. but compared to east asian, se asian/asi mixed populations, jarawa seems to work better.

https://i.imgur.com/pIHzqha.png

Which Pashtuns are in your sample?

Thambi

11-25-2019, 06:47 PM

Which Pashtuns are in your sample?

idk i think its pakistani pashtuns actually with few hindkos in the pashtun average on g25. its an avg of 11 samples

here are more representative pashtun samples. Mingle (pak pashtun) and surbhakun/rukha (afghan pashtuns. rukha is partially tajik too btw). Even they prefer jarawa over any mongoloid groups.

https://i.imgur.com/xgHZiEu.png

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 07:23 PM

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This just proves even more theres not such thing as iranic and pahstuns and afghan tajiks are just like pakis: Indians in denial. Se were never any close to anything but South asians. We're all lying to ourselves and trying to make any connections to outside South asia/hindu realm. Rumi was descendant of hindus too.

We're all hindu converts to Islam and persian culture . Thank you guys for revealing my hindu South asian heri tage."

Taken from anthrogenica. Is that really you? No wonder why you got banned. Troll in disguise.

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 07:24 PM

NPKTO

11-25-2019, 07:52 PM

I think no one is denying that the proto iranics can be considered white.
Judging from their results they must have looked proto-nordid or irano-nordoid imo. White with ruggish and chisseled features. Similar to Cordeds.

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html
If it helps this discussion, Sintashta scored like this. Significant Med/EEF input from Globular Amphora culture.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 58.41
2 Mediterranean 23.08
3 Baloch 17.67

Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 orcadian_hgdp @ 12.509985
2 utahn-white_hapmap @ 13.475918
3 n-european_xing @ 14.242210
4 british_1000genomes @ 14.919440
5 utahn-white_1000genomes @ 15.241695
6 ukranian_yunusbayev @ 17.832083
7 belorussian_behar @ 18.341600
8 mordovian_yunusbayev @ 18.409716
9 russian_hgdp @ 19.242659
10 lithuanian_behar @ 19.417299
11 slovenian_xing @ 20.248577
12 hungarian_behar @ 20.657843
13 russian_behar @ 21.955486
14 french_hgdp @ 24.844961
15 chuvash_behar @ 27.956945
16 serbian_harappa @ 30.431583
17 finnish_1000genomes @ 33.837898
18 romanian-a_behar @ 36.254452
19 spaniard_behar @ 37.609692
20 spaniard_1000genomes @ 38.515816

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% lithuanian_behar +50% orcadian_hgdp @ 9.701204

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% orcadian_hgdp +25% orcadian_hgdp +25% russian_hgdp @ 9.194685

Here's Yamnaya (Eastern Hunter Gatherer + Caucasian Hunter Gatherer):
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 58.88
2 Baloch 30.38
3 Caucasian 6.26
4 American 2.14
5 Beringian 1.24

Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 mordovian_yunusbayev @ 25.812567
2 russian_hgdp @ 27.270523
3 chuvash_behar @ 29.678022
4 ukranian_yunusbayev @ 29.891768
5 belorussian_behar @ 30.057690
6 russian_behar @ 30.380682
7 lithuanian_behar @ 30.589090
8 slovenian_xing @ 34.780506
9 hungarian_behar @ 35.620419
10 n-european_xing @ 36.864845
11 utahn-white_hapmap @ 36.990559
12 finnish_1000genomes @ 37.603065
13 orcadian_hgdp @ 37.653610
14 utahn-white_1000genomes @ 38.460052
15 british_1000genomes @ 38.999294
16 serbian_harappa @ 39.320210
17 singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 41.159489
18 romanian-a_behar @ 44.822430
19 french_hgdp @ 45.104557
20 tajik_yunusbayev @ 46.521160

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% finnish_1000genomes +50% kalash_hgdp @ 20.447411

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% finnish_1000genomes +25% lithuanian_behar +25% makrani_hgdp @ 17.409925

Sintashta looks like mixture of Yamnaya and EEF to me.

Leto

11-25-2019, 09:45 PM

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 10:44 PM

sample": "Pashtun:surbakhun_AGUser",
"fit": 2.4079,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 63.33,
"RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA": 19.17,
"PAK_Swat_Saidu_Sharif_IA_o": 10,
"NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 4.17,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C": 3.33,

"sample": "Ror:Average",
"fit": 1.3613,
"PAK_Swat_Saidu_Sharif_IA_o": 34.17,
"RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA": 32.5,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 32.5,
"NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 0.83,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C": 0,

"sample": "Tajik_Shugnan:Average",
"fit": 1.3875,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 45,
"RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA": 43.33,
"PAK_Swat_Saidu_Sharif_IA_o": 6.67,
"NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 5,
"IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C": 0,

Rors are the most western shifted and steppe rich northwest south asians. In before hussiek khan claims Pashtuns are closer to Indians than Afghan tajiks and pamiris lmao

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 10:45 PM

Leto

11-25-2019, 11:00 PM

Southern pashtun v eastern pashtun. Not much difference.
Mingle is like 5-6% more South Asian than HK. I guess that's okay considering he is a Pakistani.

Avicenna

11-25-2019, 11:19 PM

Mingle is like 5-6% more South Asian than HK. I guess that's okay considering he is a Pakistani.

Yeah but that's dodecad calculator on gedmatch. It's pretty outdated. The difference should be vastly reduced with the nmonte runs. But yesx generally eastern Pashtuns have a slighlty more affinity to indo aryan speaking groups of northwest south Asia.

Kamal900

11-26-2019, 12:09 AM

Proto-Indo-Iranians (Sintashta/Andronovo) were sorta like Corded Ware. Proto-Iranians were heavily mixed with BMAC.

Exactly, yeah.

Babak

11-26-2019, 02:21 AM

Exactly, yeah.

Yea, G25 of Iranian zoroastrians using Turkmenistan_IA:

Target: Iranian_Zoroastrian
Distance: 1.3016% / 0.01301572
Aggregated
39.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
27.0 TKM_IA
17.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
8.6 Levant_Natufian
5.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
1.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o1
0.4 Mongola

So pretty much a solid blend of native, steppe and minor east asian and ancient levantine admixture.

Kamal900

11-26-2019, 03:57 AM

Yea, G25 of Iranian zoroastrians using Turkmenistan_IA:

Target: Iranian_Zoroastrian
Distance: 1.3016% / 0.01301572
Aggregated
39.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
27.0 TKM_IA
17.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
8.6 Levant_Natufian
5.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1
1.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o1
0.4 Mongola

So pretty much a solid blend of native, steppe and minor east asian and ancient levantine admixture.

I've heard that they're very endogamous, is this true?

Luri:

"sample": "Test1:Iranian_Lor",
"fit": 1.3611,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 52.5,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 20.83,
"TKM_IA": 14.17,
"Levant_Natufian": 9.17,
"Mongola": 1.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o1": 1.67,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 0,

Persians:

"sample": "Test1:Iranian_Fars",
"fit": 1.3625,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 40,
"TKM_IA": 21.67,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 17.5,
"Levant_Natufian": 9.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 6.67,
"Mongola": 2.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o1": 2.5,

Mazandarani people:

"sample": "Test1:Iranian_Mazandarani",
"fit": 1.7444,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 54.17,
"TKM_IA": 20,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 15,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 5.83,
"Levant_Natufian": 4.17,
"Mongola": 0.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o1": 0,

Babak

11-26-2019, 04:23 AM

I've heard that they're very endogamous, is this true?

Luri:

"sample": "Test1:Iranian_Lor",
"fit": 1.3611,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 52.5,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 20.83,
"TKM_IA": 14.17,
"Levant_Natufian": 9.17,
"Mongola": 1.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o1": 1.67,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 0,

Persians:

"sample": "Test1:Iranian_Fars",
"fit": 1.3625,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 40,
"TKM_IA": 21.67,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 17.5,
"Levant_Natufian": 9.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 6.67,
"Mongola": 2.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o1": 2.5,

Mazandarani people:

"sample": "Test1:Iranian_Mazandarani",
"fit": 1.7444,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 54.17,
"TKM_IA": 20,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 15,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 5.83,
"Levant_Natufian": 4.17,
"Mongola": 0.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o1": 0,

Yea. Many of them were and still are.

Kamal900

11-26-2019, 04:32 AM

Yea. Many of them were and still are.

They're like the Druze of the Iranic world, lol.

Arhat

11-26-2019, 05:45 AM

Arhat

11-26-2019, 05:48 AM

That's all nice and interesting but the Sintashta were not like modern Caucasians. If they were alive today, lived in Europe and were Catholics or Protestants, they would be considered white. Stormfront is irrelevant in 2019, who cares about those retards. If Greeks and Italians are accepted as white, why can't a group which scores 50% North European be accepted as well? I score 56% or so myself, I'll send you my photo, @Toppo900
That being said, I agree the Sintashta and other Bronze Age cultures were not exactly the same as any modern European population.

There is nothing Asian about Sintashta from a genetic point of view if we exlude the outliners. Central and South Russians can be modelled as 75+% Sintashta-like and Scandinavians with only a bit less . So if Sintashta is not european than all of North Europe is gemetically not european too.

Target: My wife using the most western Sintashta sample
Distance: 6.7434% / 0.06743380
Aggregated
84.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
8.0 WHG
7.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 05:57 AM

Dstats and pca plots disagree with you. Calling rumi a hindko? What pathetic claim? Afghans have nothing to do with you.
DUde, i was joking. Calm your tits.

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 06:08 AM

Dodecad K12b

Hussein Khan

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 37.97
2 Caucasus 22.2
3 North_European 15.98
4 South_Asian 15.87
5 Southwest_Asian 2.97
6 Siberian 2.57
7 Atlantic_Med 2.39
Mingle

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 36.73
2 South_Asian 21.62
3 Caucasus 18.9
4 North_European 15.57
5 Southwest_Asian 3.1
6 Atlantic_Med 1.97
7 Southeast_Asian 1.35
8 Siberian 0.59
9 East_Asian 0.17

I think i'll be equally as close to some heratis as to mingle

Heratis:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 33.05
2 Caucasus 21.1
3 North_European 14.13
4 South_Asian 10.84
5 Southwest_Asian 8.5
6 East_Asian 3.98
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.42
9 Sub_Saharan 0.69
10 Northwest_African 0.23
11 East_African 0.17

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 34.23
2 Caucasus 22.02
3 North_European 11.29
4 South_Asian 8.94
5 Southwest_Asian 7.38
6 Atlantic_Med 5.81
7 East_Asian 3.95
8 Siberian 3.9
9 Southeast_Asian 1.18
10 Sub_Saharan 1.12
11 Northwest_African 0.2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 33.68
2 Caucasus 21.46
3 North_European 13.5
4 South_Asian 11.96
5 Southwest_Asian 7.25
6 Siberian 6.28
7 East_Asian 2.54
8 Atlantic_Med 1.7
9 Southeast_Asian 0.9
10 Sub_Saharan 0.46
11 East_African 0.27

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 28.92
2 Caucasus 20.45
3 South_Asian 13.24
4 North_European 12.63
5 Southwest_Asian 7.74
6 East_Asian 6.1
7 Atlantic_Med 5.4
8 Siberian 5.1
9 East_African 0.37
10 Southeast_Asian 0.03
11 Northwest_African 0.03

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 10:09 AM

DUde, i was joking. Calm your tits.

Bro it's frustrating to read that. Why say it? All them guys were laughing at you. All because of ONE pca plot which mingle and Co cleared up a few pages later. Rors are obviously not closer to tajiks than Pashtuns. And no, Pashtuns are not Indians who adopted iranic culture. I can clear things up more if you want.

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 10:10 AM

I think i'll be equally as close to some heratis as to mingle

Heratis:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 33.05
2 Caucasus 21.1
3 North_European 14.13
4 South_Asian 10.84
5 Southwest_Asian 8.5
6 East_Asian 3.98
7 Siberian 3.9
8 Atlantic_Med 3.42
9 Sub_Saharan 0.69
10 Northwest_African 0.23
11 East_African 0.17

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 34.23
2 Caucasus 22.02
3 North_European 11.29
4 South_Asian 8.94
5 Southwest_Asian 7.38
6 Atlantic_Med 5.81
7 East_Asian 3.95
8 Siberian 3.9
9 Southeast_Asian 1.18
10 Sub_Saharan 1.12
11 Northwest_African 0.2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 33.68
2 Caucasus 21.46
3 North_European 13.5
4 South_Asian 11.96
5 Southwest_Asian 7.25
6 Siberian 6.28
7 East_Asian 2.54
8 Atlantic_Med 1.7
9 Southeast_Asian 0.9
10 Sub_Saharan 0.46
11 East_African 0.27

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 28.92
2 Caucasus 20.45
3 South_Asian 13.24
4 North_European 12.63
5 Southwest_Asian 7.74
6 East_Asian 6.1
7 Atlantic_Med 5.4
8 Siberian 5.1
9 East_African 0.37
10 Southeast_Asian 0.03
11 Northwest_African 0.03

Can I have the harappa results of these heratis?

Just a side note, I have noticed that folks generally with lower south asian have higher Siberian and east Asian, compared to folks with higher south asian, who have very small amounts of Siberian and east Asian.

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 10:19 AM

Can I have the harappa results of these heratis?

Just a side note, I have noticed that folks generally with lower south asian have higher Siberian and east Asian, compared to folks with higher south asian, who have very small amounts of Siberian and east Asian.

Yeah, i seen that too.

ANd i got to know about the ror/tajik thing. Hell, im even as close to yagnobis as to most western shifted ror

ANyway, here's a spreadsheet of ALL afghans/west-pakis that i found from other people + found myself(sorry for the afghans i dont know the ethnicity of, havent got any replies from them yet):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13-OPuZvTnZmtBT47E5LcaDm-uaKt9eYu6mA6_t7xPzo/edit?usp=sharing

Leto

11-26-2019, 11:32 AM

They did not look nordic. They werr darker than modern day North Euros but genetically more northern
I also doubt they looked Irano-Nordid. Most of them at were brachycephalic.
Weren't the ones that had been found around Krasnoyarsk described as having light features?

Kamal900

11-26-2019, 12:14 PM

There is nothing Asian about Sintashta from a genetic point of view if we exlude the outliners. Central and South Russians can be modelled as 75+% Sintashta-like and Scandinavians with only a bit less . So if Sintashta is not european than all of North Europe is gemetically not european too.

Target: My wife using the most western Sintashta sample
Distance: 6.7434% / 0.06743380
Aggregated
84.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
8.0 WHG
7.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

That's a really bad fit.

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 12:59 PM

Yeah, i seen that too.

ANd i got to know about the ror/tajik thing. Hell, im even as close to yagnobis as to most western shifted ror

ANyway, here's a spreadsheet of ALL afghans/west-pakis that i found from other people + found myself(sorry for the afghans i dont know the ethnicity of, havent got any replies from them yet):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13-OPuZvTnZmtBT47E5LcaDm-uaKt9eYu6mA6_t7xPzo/edit?usp=sharing

Damn that is pretty impressive. That's a ton of Afghans. Never knew there were so many of us interested in ancestry. How did you find all these people?

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 01:09 PM

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 01:14 PM

Damn that is pretty impressive. That's a ton of Afghans. Never knew there were so many of us interested in ancestry. How did you find all these people?

You wanna see tajiki samples(from tajikstan) + east iranian samples?

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:20 PM

Throughout youtube, gedmatch genesis and forums

One of them is myanthro by the way(half kunari, half paktia)

Actually, im not sure if all of them are interested. Some of them dont even know what gedmatch is or care much about their dna-results

Cool man. Interesting to see a few Afghans with kashmiri ancestry, although I think I know who it is. Alot of Afghans seem quite confused with that. They might mistake kalash or wakhi people or some northwest gilgit tribe as kashmiri lol

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:23 PM

You wanna see tajiki samples(from tajikstan) + east iranian samples?

I think I know what they get. Tajikistani tajiks are heavily East eurasian, quite different from tajik pamiris and afghan pashtun /tajiks. Eastern Iranians should form a smooth cline with heratis that connect southern Pashtuns /Eastern Pashtuns with Iran, although a strong shift towards pamiris/North Caucasus.

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 01:24 PM

Cool man. Interesting to see a few Afghans with kashmiri ancestry, although I think I know who it is. Alot of Afghans seem quite confused with that. They might mistake kalash or wakhi people or some northwest gilgit tribe as kashmiri lol

No, they seemed genuenly sure about their kashmiri ancestry. WHo is it you suspect to know?

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:28 PM

Throughout youtube, gedmatch genesis and forums

One of them is myanthro by the way(half kunari, half paktia)

Actually, im not sure if all of them are interested. Some of them dont even know what gedmatch is or care much about their dna-results

Also, the south indian component seems to be quite random among Afghans. For instance, a jalalabad eastern pashtun can be 14% south indian, a parwan tajik 19% south indian and a southern pashtun 17%. Baloch and caucasian seems quite consistent whereas the NE euro also is up and down. Though, usually people with lower NE euro have higher med. Same as lower south indian and higher Siberian + east Asian.

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:29 PM

No, they seemed genuenly sure about their kashmiri ancestry. WHo is it you suspect to know?

Really? Kashmiri? How? Never heard of any kashmiris in Afghanistan, seems interesting not gonna lie.

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:31 PM

No, they seemed genuenly sure about their kashmiri ancestry. WHo is it you suspect to know?

Really? Kashmiri? How? Never heard of any kashmiris in Afghanistan, seems interesting not gonna lie.

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:36 PM

No, they seemed genuenly sure about their kashmiri ancestry. WHo is it you suspect to know?

It was a Convo I had with some girl who had her ancestry done. She was unsure but she said she had some ancestry from kashmir, later on she described it as some tribe next to pamiris and her great grandfather had blue eyes and looked European. I told her it mightve been kalash or some kind of wakhi not kashmiri.

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 01:39 PM

I think I know what they get. Tajikistani tajiks are heavily East eurasian, quite different from tajik pamiris and afghan pashtun /tajiks. Eastern Iranians should form a smooth cline with heratis that connect southern Pashtuns /Eastern Pashtuns with Iran, although a strong shift towards pamiris/North Caucasus.

Here, east iranian and tajiki samples:

east iranian(both baloch, persians and turkmen):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rsh8KZRVULIEs5_hwzHAXfFPP-Lbi2fCGqXEkOiRues/edit?usp=sharing

Here are the tajiki samples:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tplp9GjbQFgCrBPh_0rcPWniSv8vK3XfcHKhcCPih-0/edit?usp=sharing

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 01:42 PM

Really? Kashmiri? How? Never heard of any kashmiris in Afghanistan, seems interesting not gonna lie.

You havent heard about kashmiris in Kabul? Apparently according to some afghans i know, they said that kashmiris were a thing in Kabul. THey just integrated so well they considered themselves as kashmiris and then they got mixed with the native kabulis. So both natives and kashmiris were deemed kabulis.
THey got this from historical papers. THeyre actually quiet knowledgeable about AFG history.

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:44 PM

You havent heard about kashmiris in Kabul? Apparently according to some afghans i know, they said that kashmiris were a thing in Kabul. THey just integrated so well they considered themselves as kashmiris and then they got mixed with the native kabulis. So both natives and kashmiris were deemed kabulis.
THey got this from historical papers. THeyre actually quiet knowledgeable about AFG history.

What historical papers? How did he deduce he had kashmiri ancestry?

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 01:45 PM

Also, the south indian component seems to be quite random among Afghans. For instance, a jalalabad eastern pashtun can be 14% south indian, a parwan tajik 19% south indian and a southern pashtun 17%. Baloch and caucasian seems quite consistent whereas the NE euro also is up and down. Though, usually people with lower NE euro have higher med. Same as lower south indian and higher Siberian + east Asian.

Have to tell you this though, but some of these samples(few though and im pretty sure im 80-95% correct) are some i assumed to be like in HW based on their company dna-results or other gedmatch results. I couldnt find their kitnumbers or ask them for their gedmatch results, since they either declined or werent avaiable anymore.

THe jalalabad guy is one of them. However he would get 16-14 SI, not more or less.

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 01:46 PM

What historical papers? How did he deduce he had kashmiri ancestry?

He did ask his parents about it and they dont seem to be unsure about it.(probably keep a family tree or whatever....after all, the kashmiri were his great grand father).

ALso, i dont have the papers. THeyre all in the discord server im from and the members arent online now. I can let you join, if you want to have a little discussion with them about it.

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:47 PM

Have to tell you this though, but some of these samples(few though and im pretty sure im 80-95% correct) are some i assumed to be like in HW based on their company dna-results or other gedmatch results. I couldnt find their kitnumbers or ask them for their gedmatch results, since they either declined or werent avaiable anymore.

THe jalalabad guy is one of them. However he would get 16-14 SI, not more or less.

Ohh, so it's not exactly from harappa?

Avicenna

11-26-2019, 01:48 PM

He did ask his parents about it and they dont seem to be unsure about it.
ALso, i dont have the papers. THeyre all in the discord server im from and the members arent online now. I can let you join, if you want to have a little discussion with them about it.

Oh fair enough then. You made it out like there is kabulis with unidentified kashmiri ancestry which would be quite interesting. Seems like they weren't too integrated since they knew about it. Kashmiris look very south asian so you would know for sure.

hussein khan

11-26-2019, 01:50 PM

Ohh, so it's not exactly from harappa?

Not his or the zabul guy and 4 more afghans(but i wouldnt be suprised if their HW results were 87-95% identical, since i did estimate how their results would turn out like).

Nomansman

01-08-2020, 09:02 PM

ANyway, gonna post imputed results as well:

Harappaworld:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 36.73
2 Caucasian 24.15
3 NE-Euro 14.43
4 S-Indian 14
5 SW-Asian 3.45
6 Siberian 2.69
7 Mediterranean 1.34
8 American 1.04
9 W-African 0.88
10 Beringian 0.69
11 Papuan 0.35
12 NE-Asian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 pashtun (harappa) 7.69
2 tajik (yunusbayev) 11.23
3 kalash (hgdp) 11.75
4 pathan (hgdp) 12.61
5 sindhi (harappa) 15.97
6 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 16.65
7 burusho (hgdp) 16.82
8 bhatia (harappa) 17.02
9 turkmen (yunusbayev) 17.09
10 kashmiri (harappa) 18
11 haryana-jatt (harappa) 18.12
12 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 18.28
13 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 19.69
14 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 20.72
15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 21.55
16 punjabi (harappa) 21.75
17 balochi (hgdp) 21.79
18 sindhi (hgdp) 22.01
19 punjabi-arain (xing) 22.09
20 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 22.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% pathan (hgdp) + 34.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.67
2 58.3% bhatia (harappa) + 41.7% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.68
3 51.9% sindhi (hgdp) + 48.1% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.09
4 66.4% pathan (hgdp) + 33.6% urkarah (xing) @ 3.11
5 67.6% pathan (hgdp) + 32.4% lezgin (behar) @ 3.12
6 52.6% sindhi (hgdp) + 47.4% urkarah (xing) @ 3.21
7 62.6% bhatia (harappa) + 37.4% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.23
8 69.8% pathan (hgdp) + 30.2% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.5
9 67.6% kalash (hgdp) + 32.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.52
10 60.8% sindhi (harappa) + 39.2% urkarah (xing) @ 3.52
11 60.1% sindhi (harappa) + 39.9% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.6
12 71.5% pathan (hgdp) + 28.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.61
13 64.6% bhatia (harappa) + 35.4% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.81
14 60.5% bhatia (harappa) + 39.5% lezgin (behar) @ 3.89
15 58.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 41.3% lezgin (behar) @ 3.92
16 62.1% sindhi (harappa) + 37.9% lezgin (behar) @ 3.93
17 52.5% punjabi-arain (xing) + 47.5% urkarah (xing) @ 3.96
18 59.3% bhatia (harappa) + 40.7% urkarah (xing) @ 4.04
19 51.8% punjabi-arain (xing) + 48.2% stalskoe (xing) @ 4.09
20 78.9% pashtun (harappa) + 21.1% urkarah (xing) @ 4.24

Eurogenes k13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 45.6
2 South_Asian 24.53
3 Baltic 10.31
4 North_Atlantic 8.11
5 East_Med 7.02
6 Siberian 1.93
7 Amerindian 1.17
8 Sub-Saharan 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.37
10 Red_Sea 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 5.36
2 Kalash 11.07
3 Balochi 11.64
4 Makrani 12.34
5 Brahui 12.98
6 Tadjik 14.1
7 Pathan 15.48
8 Burusho 16.67
9 Afghan_Tadjik 16.78
10 Tabassaran 18.72
11 Punjabi_Jat 19.61
12 Lezgin 20.24
13 Chechen 20.49
14 Sindhi 20.58
15 Kumyk 22.18
16 Kabardin 22.29
17 Adygei 22.52
18 Ossetian 22.61
19 North_Ossetian 22.83
20 Turkmen 22.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.4% Tabassaran + 47.6% Sindhi @ 2.79
2 65.2% Kalash + 34.8% Lezgin @ 2.87
3 50.4% Lezgin + 49.6% Sindhi @ 3.36
4 63.6% Kalash + 36.4% Tabassaran @ 3.38
5 82.5% Brahui + 17.5% Finnish @ 3.39
6 82.5% Brahui + 17.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.47
7 65.8% Kalash + 34.2% Chechen @ 3.49
8 67.9% Kalash + 32.1% Adygei @ 3.51
9 84.2% Balochi + 15.8% Finnish @ 3.53
10 82.8% Brahui + 17.2% Estonian @ 3.58
11 68.3% Kalash + 31.7% North_Ossetian @ 3.6
12 82.7% Brahui + 17.3% East_Finnish @ 3.63
13 84.3% Balochi + 15.7% East_Finnish @ 3.66
14 73.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 26.1% Balochi @ 3.66
15 84.2% Balochi + 15.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.68
16 68.1% Kalash + 31.9% Ossetian @ 3.7
17 83% Balochi + 17% Southwest_Russian @ 3.71
18 81.2% Brahui + 18.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.73
19 84.5% Balochi + 15.5% Estonian @ 3.77
20 81.1% Brahui + 18.9% South_Polish @ 3.77

Leto

01-08-2020, 09:09 PM

ANyway, gonna post imputed results as well:

They are worse, I think. MyHeritage data is okay, it doesn't need imputation. What if it's more like amputation? :lol:
Better stick to the original kit.

By the way, I wonder why Pashtuns and related groups get so little Mediterranean, some don't even get 1%. I think the Bronze Age steppe samples were all 15-20% Med (kind of like Russians). Tajikistan has a bit more Med, 5% is not unusual over there.

Nomansman

01-08-2020, 09:19 PM

Docedad k12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 36.93
2 Caucasus 22.11
3 North_European 16.43
4 South_Asian 14.85
5 Siberian 3.21
6 Southwest_Asian 3.14
7 Atlantic_Med 2.19
8 Sub_Saharan 0.88
9 East_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 12.37
2 Pathan (HGDP) 14.28
3 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.54
4 Burusho (HGDP) 19.04
5 Jatt (Dodecad) 22.86
6 Iranians (Behar) 23.56
7 Iranian (Dodecad) 24.72
8 Kurd (Dodecad) 26.67
9 Sindhi (HGDP) 27.38
10 Lezgins (Behar) 27.58
11 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 27.84
12 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 27.84
13 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 30.15
14 Makrani (HGDP) 31.26
15 Balochi (HGDP) 32.91
16 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 33.02
17 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 33.04
18 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 33.35
19 Turks (Behar) 34.47
20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 34.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% Pathan (HGDP) + 31.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.83
2 66.4% Pathan (HGDP) + 33.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 3.37
3 70.5% Pathan (HGDP) + 29.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.44
4 73.6% Pathan (HGDP) + 26.4% Adygei (HGDP) @ 3.93
5 74% Pathan (HGDP) + 26% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 4.03
6 73.9% Pathan (HGDP) + 26.1% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.11
7 57% Jatt (Dodecad) + 43% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.15
8 54.8% Jatt (Dodecad) + 45.2% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.4
9 50.2% Sindhi (HGDP) + 49.8% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.82
10 59.6% Jatt (Dodecad) + 40.4% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.95
11 72.1% Pathan (HGDP) + 27.9% Turks (Behar) @ 5.43
12 71.2% Pathan (HGDP) + 28.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 5.44
13 55.1% Sindhi (HGDP) + 44.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.49
14 52.5% Sindhi (HGDP) + 47.5% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.54
15 73.1% Pathan (HGDP) + 26.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.59
16 63.5% Jatt (Dodecad) + 36.5% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 5.73
17 63.2% Jatt (Dodecad) + 36.8% Adygei (HGDP) @ 5.79
18 63.7% Jatt (Dodecad) + 36.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 5.8
19 59.9% Burusho (HGDP) + 40.1% Lezgins (Behar) @ 6.09
20 78.9% Pathan (HGDP) + 21.1% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 6.14

Mdlp k23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 34.01
2 Caucasian 23.92
3 South_Indian 15.36
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.89
5 Ancestral_Altaic 7.59
6 Near_East 3.22
7 East_Siberian 1.52
8 Arctic 1.2
9 Melano_Polynesian 0.94
10 Tungus-Altaic 0.46
11 North_African 0.43
12 Subsaharian 0.3
13 Archaic_African 0.16
14 South_East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 7.51
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 11.05
3 Parsi ( ) 11.56
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 12.14
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 12.73
6 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 13.22
7 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 13.8
8 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 14.51
9 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 14.56
10 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 15.33
11 Iranian ( ) 20.03
12 Pathan ( ) 22.41
13 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 24.51
14 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 27.15
15 Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) 27.24
16 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 27.62
17 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 28.34
18 Kurd_South ( ) 28.55
19 Ain_Touta_WGA ( ) 28.84
20 Burusho ( ) 29.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61% Pathan ( ) + 39% Lak ( ) @ 3
2 60.9% Pathan ( ) + 39.1% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 3.13
3 62.6% Pathan ( ) + 37.4% Lezgin ( ) @ 3.31
4 50.2% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) + 49.8% Sindhi ( ) @ 3.37
5 50% Sindhi ( ) + 50% Lak ( ) @ 3.38
6 62.4% Pathan ( ) + 37.6% Avar ( ) @ 3.4
7 61.6% Pathan ( ) + 38.4% Tabassaran ( ) @ 3.5
8 63.1% Pathan ( ) + 36.9% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 3.73
9 51.6% Sindhi ( ) + 48.4% Lezgin ( ) @ 3.85
10 51.3% Sindhi ( ) + 48.7% Avar ( ) @ 3.88
11 67.3% Pathan ( ) + 32.7% Chechen ( ) @ 3.93
12 66.5% Pathan ( ) + 33.5% Kumyk ( ) @ 4.02
13 87.7% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 12.3% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 4.04
14 86.9% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 13.1% Adjara ( ) @ 4.11
15 88.4% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 11.6% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 4.14
16 87.3% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 12.7% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 4.14
17 50.6% Sindhi ( ) + 49.4% Tabassaran ( ) @ 4.19
18 68% Pathan ( ) + 32% Kabardin ( ) @ 4.22
19 61.6% Pathan ( ) + 38.4% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 4.23
20 87.8% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 12.2% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 4.26

My distance to many afghans, central asians, few south asians, gypsies and some iranians in harappaworld vahado:

Distance to: Nomansman
3.85270035 BibiKhala/1/2syed/1/2hotaki/pashtun/kandahar
3.96833718 Sirajudin/Quetta/pashtun
3.97314737 Jefftucker1/Wardak/pashtun
4.33373972 FaisalKhan/jalalabad/pashtun
4.48081466 KazimKhanMama/quetta/pashtun
4.53194219 Roshana/tajik/panjshir
4.61700119 Sarfraz/Kandahari/pashtun
4.70413648 Surbha/kandahari/pashtun
4.80864846 Kakar/Quetta/pashtun
4.97605265 PeshewarPashtun
5.23046843 Zabul/Barakzai/pashtun
5.39736047 MXZSistah/Part/pansheri/part/logari
5.53305521 HaroonSekmani/Khost/pashtun
5.87553402 Arian/Kabuli/pashtun
6.09076350 Najibullah/Logari/pashtun
6.49792275 Pashtun2/8Af/Balkh
6.49865371 Myanthro/1/2kunari/pashtun/1/2paktia/pashtun
7.11887632 AishaMohmand/1/4nuristani/rest/pashtun/kunduz
7.24234769 FatemahNourai/HelmandPashtun
7.44038977 Tareen/Seraiki/pashtun
7.57083219 Milad/1/2/ghazni/tajik/1/2/kandahari/pashtun
7.73537976 FatemaHaidari/Herati
7.90752174 HGDP00214//paki//pashtun
8.07219301 ArefaSyed/Helmand/syed
8.11668036 Samsammy/Swat/syed/pashtun
8.18844918 LatifMama/Logari/pashtun
8.41407155 Mariam/Kabuli/pashtun
8.48268825 Mingle/Peshewari/pashtun
8.49803507 KulyabTajik1
8.59472513 Kqudus/mostly/ghazni/tajik
8.69934480 TareqBarakzoy/kandahari/pashtun
8.78487336 JalilHaidari/Herati
8.84453504 Yigda/nuristani
8.91572207 Yones/herati
8.97000557 Shamal/1/2badakshi/1/2shamali/Tajik
9.04032632 AzadSiddique/Lahore/Tareen/Pashtun
9.13051477 MonaK/kandahari
9.23085586 Nuristani1
9.29971505 Laghman/ghilzai
9.38285671 Fred/Likely/ghazni/tajik
9.38407694 BerrySardar/Sadozai/pashtun
9.57680531 SandieW/Balkh/Tajik
9.96412063 NemAigo/kandahar
9.99021021 SukhiJan/kho
10.06708498 Kabul/qizilbash/1/8iranian
10.07550773 Barnacle/1/4pashtun/3/4tajik/laghman
10.08718494 Hirmand/Partly/iranian/partly/tajikstani/partly/pashtun/kabul
10.25417964 NasserAzadzoi/Ghazni/pashtun
10.42603472 SyedShahDurali/Helmand/pashtun
10.64029605 FarzadAlikozai/Kandahari/pashtun
11.03882693 Heravi/Herati/Tajik
11.72075936 Sarahwerr/1/4tajik/3/4pashtun/kabul
11.75235721 RafaNiazi/Peshewar/pashtun
11.75739342 Lemar/1/2Kandahari/part/kunari/pashtun
12.00257889 Jamal/1/2kabuli/tajik/1/2Mashdad/iranian
12.01207726 AsadNasir/Kabuli/tajik
12.08139065 1/2PAK/baloch/1/4nuristani/1/4AFG/uzbek
12.10299550 Zamanov/shugnan/tajiki
12.18068143 Kaykavus/Mixed/kabuli
12.19804493 Asad/KabuliTajik
12.30152430 ShuglaSuunita/1/2kumyk/1/2jat
12.43754799 Qizilbash2
12.66529905 Yachekzai/KabuliPashtun
12.76951448 Nuristani2
12.83762050 SamarkandTajik
12.91719784 kamboj2
13.25310152 Saidh/kabuli/shia/tajik
13.30369873 BaharAzizi/Herati
13.49507318 Adeel/Umarzai
13.55711990 Iranians//Iran3
13.56195045 AFGWrestler/1/2pashtun/1/2tajik/Kabul
13.77326033 WadhaAlRaeesi/iranian/baloch
14.20661114 kamboj1
14.31992318 TJ1176//tadjik/yagnobi
14.38619130 Amir/mashdad//iranian
14.45976832 AneesKhan/1/8//african/rest/pashtun/lahore
14.50085860 qizilbash1
14.52712979 UltimatePersia/1/2mazari/tajik/1/2Isfahan/persian
14.64683242 SyedBaba/Kabuli//syed
14.74682678 Nilufar/1/2uzbek/1/2tajik/balkh
14.84701990 WaleedKaram/iranian/baloch
14.99984667 Kerman//persian
15.97668301 tdj12/rushan
16.06893898 OmerYusufzai/Kabuli/farsiwan
16.58426966 uzbek-afghanistan
17.03119784 Iranian//SHII27
17.14871132 Jowjawi/Zarafshaan/tajik
17.51385737 CaitlynPapa/Kandahari/pashtun
17.74083425 Caucasus/romani
18.67982334 turkmen
20.07632686 NaumanIqbal/punjabiArain
20.19938118 TJKRomani
20.81119170 Kunduz/syed/tajik
20.83039606 Yama/Mazari/tajik
21.22011781 Diwaniyah///domari1
21.27512632 Nineveh///domari1
21.57730057 Diwaniyah///domari2
21.74337370 Nineveh///domari2
22.99596704 MKhan/1/2pehshewar/pashtun/1/2EuroJew
23.32843972 Ayhan/half/punjabi/half/ghazni/hazara
23.36703447 JawedSayed/uzbek
24.29736611 Balkan//romani6
25.01233096 Balkan//romani4
25.07069006 Mazandarani1
25.13917063 Balkan//romani2
25.16857962 Balkan//romani8
25.37404185 Iranian//GMII36/mazandarani
26.23939024 Balkan//romani7
26.40768449 Chris0009/Romani/Balkan/ottoman
26.55837156 Balkan//romani5
26.61562887 Hoseni/Daykundi/hazara
27.36760494 AfghanJat
27.54304812 turkmen-afghanistan
27.61289373 Balkan//romani1
27.76499055 Balkan//romani3
28.14582562 AtifKhan/northIndianPathan
29.22810120 PossiblyMixed//BalkanRomani1
30.84421826 CaucasusRomani2
32.18775388 PossiblyMixed//BalkanRomani4
32.97320307 Mortimer/3/8/Serb/rest/balkan/gypsie
33.17624451 PossiblyMixed//BalkanRomani3
34.01503932 PossiblyMixed//BalkanRomani2
34.98005860 Punjabi/chamar
37.49757859 Mindsrealm/angloIndian/1/4burmese
38.39014848 Serbian/romani
40.82285634 NetflixLover/GhazniHazara
41.33057222 Spanish//gitano
41.33646090 RezaQasemi/Herati/hazara
43.00557173 Romani2
43.35849628 Romani1

Nomansman

01-08-2020, 09:21 PM

They are worse, I think. MyHeritage data is okay, it doesn't need imputation. What if it's more like amputation? :lol:
Better stick to the original kit.

By the way, I wonder why Pashtuns and related groups get so little Mediterranean, some don't even get 1%. I think the Bronze Age steppe samples were all 15-20% Med (kind of like Russians). Tajikistan has a bit more Med, 5% is not unusual over there.

I think higher SNP kits are kind of better than low SNP kits, even though OG raw data.

axlredneck

03-06-2020, 03:05 PM

https://i.imgur.com/k7SyYw1.jpg

Have you the full PCA?