What is the explanation for the decrease in northwest European admixture in Belarus and west Ukraine

[Voyt]

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/West-European-admixture.gif

and then increase again as you move further east

what historical migration could be the explanation for this? Is it from Balkans maybe?

[Daos777]

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/West-European-admixture.gif

and then increase again as you move further east

what historical migration could be the explanation for this? Is it from Balkans maybe?

Sarmatians

[Voyt]

Sarmatians

They occupied most of Belarus? Any proof of that?

http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Sarmatians_Map.jpg

[Omanvassal]

Why is this surprise?

My ancestors are not weak we kept our culture thru many wars, not like the rest of these fuckers

[Voyt]

Why is this surprise?

My ancestors are not weak we kept our culture thru many wars, not like the rest of these fuckers

YOur ancestors?

[Cumansky]

YOur ancestors?

His ancestor is Cossack from Ukraine, here is the Eurogenes K13:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.95
2 North_Atlantic 24.29
3 East_Med 11.25
4 West_Med 10.66
5 Sub-Saharan 3.08
6 West_Asian 1.7
7 Siberian 1.67
8 Red_Sea 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 7.64
2 Ukrainian 8.21
3 Estonian_Polish 8.47
4 Belorussian 9.04
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.11
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.22
7 Russian_Smolensk 9.39
8 South_Polish 9.55
9 Polish 9.7
10 Kargopol_Russian 11.8
11 Croatian 11.88
12 Lithuanian 12.74
13 Erzya 12.89
14 Estonian 13.73
15 Moldavian 14.05
16 East_Finnish 14.99
17 Finnish 15.08
18 Hungarian 15.87
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.28
20 East_German 18.34

[Voyt]

His ancestor is Cossack from Ukraine, here is the Eurogenes K13:



Ok, but aren't Cossacks more associated with southeast Ukraine rather than northwest and Belarus?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Ukraine-Dyke_Pole.png

[Cumansky]

Ok, but aren't Cossacks more associated with southeast Ukraine rather than northwest and Belarus?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Ukraine-Dyke_Pole.png

This area in question is under occupation of Russia during WW2. This caused the displacement and relocation of peoples to different parts of the Empire, and beyond. This relocation is all very recent within last 75 years or less

[Adamg]

THIS:)

I highlighted most typical Ukrainian phenotypes. Rest are simply averages between them (those people standing).

We see Caucasus, Turanid and Gorid influences blended in different proportions.

https://i.imgur.com/RPfWatk.jpg

[Adamg]

East and south Ukraine wasn't Ukrainian. It was since the beginning (XVIII century, destroy of Crimean Khanate) settled by Russian colonists mainly.

[Voyt]

THIS:)

I highlighted most typical Ukrainian phenotypes. Rest are simply averages between them (those people standing).

We see Caucasus, Turanid and Gorid influences blended in different proportions.

https://i.imgur.com/RPfWatk.jpg

But the more exotic types in Ukraine are not found in western Ukraine, which is more Polish influenced

[Adamg]

But the more exotic types in Ukraine are not found in western Ukraine, which is more Polish influenced
Yes, this crowd is from Kiev.

[Leto]

There is no such phenomenon, no decrease or increase. Southwestern Ukraine simply has a significant Balkanic influence.

[Satem]

If they have a decrease of NW Euro then what have increased?

[Cumansky]

If they have a decrease of NW Euro then what have increased?

They have increase of Crnogorski UNCLE OG admixtures

[Arhat]

this ia based on outdated calcs. Belarusians and Ukrainians just have more balto-slavic drift than Russians for example who have other kind of less drifted ancestry.

[Not a Cop]

this ia based on outdated calcs. Belarusians and Ukrainians just have more balto-slavic drift than Russians for example who have other kind of less drifted ancestry.

Like which? Finnish is even more drifted i suppose and other tribes were mostly B-S aswell, weren't they?

[Arhat]

Like which? Finnish is even more drifted i suppose and other tribes were mostly B-S aswell, weren't they?

Balto-Slavs have an extreme drift which makes them also look more distant from ancients than there. That is the reason why gedmatch cals show Sintashta with NW Euro-like admixture instead of NE-Euro despite Sintashta being closest to modern day Central Russian. Global25 whicj is less effected (the effects still existd here) by drift than gedmatch calcs shows actually that Norwegians are bit closer to Ukrainians than to many Finns.


Distance to: Norwegian
0.06578721 Ukrainian
0.06710421 Finnish
0.07033771 Russian_Orel
0.07102196 Russian_Voronez
0.07154817 Russian_Kursk
0.07350952 Russian_Smolensk
0.07360559 Russian_Tver
0.07482964 Belarusian
0.07941599 Russian_Kostroma
0.08375673 Mordovian
0.08676813 Finnish_East
0.10236903 Russian_Pinega

Distance to: English
0.07142251 Ukrainian
0.07673761 Russian_Voronez
0.07709806 Russian_Orel
0.07939428 Russian_Kursk
0.07943461 Russian_Smolensk
0.08040507 Finnish
0.08188344 Belarusian
0.08412617 Russian_Tver
0.09060343 Russian_Kostroma
0.09404408 Mordovian
0.10055195 Finnish_East
0.11496717 Russian_Pinega

[Voyt]

..

That makes a lot more sense

I really wish someone would nuke that eupedia site