Are Poles closer to Russians or Germans?

[Supercomputer]

Both culturally & genetically. Also by how much?

[Satem]

It is going to be loooooooong thread...

[Hajimurad]

Genetically and linguistically - to Russians (Slavic language).
But culturally and religiously (and partially genetic) - to Germans.
During Middle Ages Poles assimilated large number of German artisans and merchants.
What German historians wrote about Slavization of Germans in Poland and Czechia?

[Ülev]

wishes vs reality?

[RandomGuy20]

Out of these 2 options.. Russians probably imo.

[Jana]

Genetically to Russians obviously.

https://i.imgur.com/ONejuTy.png

[Cumansky]

Eurogenes K13

Mother

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 7.64
2 Ukrainian 8.21
3 Estonian_Polish 8.47
4 Belorussian 9.04
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.11
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.22
7 Russian_Smolensk 9.39
8 South_Polish 9.55
9 Polish 9.7
10 Kargopol_Russian 11.8
11 Croatian 11.88
12 Lithuanian 12.74
13 Erzya 12.89
14 Estonian 13.73
15 Moldavian 14.05
16 East_Finnish 14.99
17 Finnish 15.08
18 Hungarian 15.87
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.28
20 East_German 18.34

Father

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 4.4
2 South_Polish 4.94
3 Polish 5.04
4 Southwest_Russian 5.47
5 Estonian_Polish 5.71
6 Belorussian 5.94
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.97
8 Russian_Smolensk 6.18
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 6.89
10 Estonian 9.94
11 Croatian 10.01
12 Kargopol_Russian 10.24
13 Lithuanian 10.46
14 Finnish 11.4
15 Southwest_Finnish 11.47
16 East_Finnish 12.62
17 Erzya 12.78
18 Hungarian 12.93
19 Moldavian 13.22
20 East_German 14.45

[ooops]

Poles are closer to Russians than to Germans in every aspect

[Sandman]

Genetics brings us closer to Russia. But culturally we are closer to the Germans. In the 18th century Poland and Saxony were connected by a personal union. In my area and workplace I know a several people of German descent and they are Ok.

[ooops]

But culturally we are closer to the Germans.


Poland is considered Eastern Europe in German-speaking countries

[Omanvassal]

No, I tell you how it is

The Old Polish, have nothing with Germans. Zero. The only time they met Germans was when they went Italy in 1940s and put a bullet in Germans and shot down their planes

These newcomers, you know who you are, from recovered territories they are obsessed with linking Poland with Germany mostly for personal insecurity (your not really Polish but faking it for awhile now), racist agenda, European technological advancements, and pork and beer eating drinking related shit

In reality, Poland is cheap still more like Balkans than Germany you need to have money, in Poland I can get large dish of Pizza for 1.5-2 Euros, if I walk across the bridge to Germany same dish of pizza lower quality will be 20-35 Euros

[Jana]

Eurogenes K13

Mother

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 7.64
2 Ukrainian 8.21
3 Estonian_Polish 8.47
4 Belorussian 9.04
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.11
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.22
7 Russian_Smolensk 9.39
8 South_Polish 9.55
9 Polish 9.7
10 Kargopol_Russian 11.8
11 Croatian 11.88
12 Lithuanian 12.74
13 Erzya 12.89
14 Estonian 13.73
15 Moldavian 14.05
16 East_Finnish 14.99
17 Finnish 15.08
18 Hungarian 15.87
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.28
20 East_German 18.34

Father

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 4.4
2 South_Polish 4.94
3 Polish 5.04
4 Southwest_Russian 5.47
5 Estonian_Polish 5.71
6 Belorussian 5.94
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.97
8 Russian_Smolensk 6.18
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 6.89
10 Estonian 9.94
11 Croatian 10.01
12 Kargopol_Russian 10.24
13 Lithuanian 10.46
14 Finnish 11.4
15 Southwest_Finnish 11.47
16 East_Finnish 12.62
17 Erzya 12.78
18 Hungarian 12.93
19 Moldavian 13.22
20 East_German 14.45

Only your father is Polish, your mother is Ukrainian as you told everyone before.

[Cumansky]

Only your father is Polish, your mother is Ukrainian as you told everyone before.

My Mother is dead, but she buried in the same place she was born, Poland

Her ancestors is something else, your ancestors are Bosniak Muslims, Germans, Ashkenazi Jews so far this is what you discussed that is biggest contradiction of races I heard in my life so why you feel a need to talk thru your stanking HPV pussy on matters of my race?

[Jana]

My Mother is dead, but she buried in the same place she was born, Poland

Her ancestors is something else, your ancestors are Bosniak Muslims, Germans, Ashkenazi Jews so far this is what you discussed that is biggest contradiction of races I heard in my life so why you feel a need to talk thru your stanking HPV pussy on matters of my race?

Smelly penis, there is no trace of Germans or Jews in my dna so obviously genetics doesn't always confirm some ideas our parents had about their ancestry.

[Cumansky]

Smelly penis, there is no trace of Germans or Jews in my dna so obviously genetics doesn't always confirm some ideas our parents had about their ancestry.

Smelly Stears gave you that clap, dirty Jewish witch

[Jana]

Phenotype comparison:

Poles
http://www.fivb.org/visasp/Img_GetImage.aspx?No=200650572
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=201724919&width=1500&height=865&stretch=uniform
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=73730&type=Press&width=1500&height=865&stretch=uniform
http://dl.siatkarskaliga.pl/267329/inline/crop=24x12x1500x700,scalecrop=1500x700/8237ea/1.jpg

Germans
http://www.volleywood.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Fullscreen-capture-692011-85343-AM.jpg
https://www.cev.eu/NewsImages/23901/Original/Germany_01.jpg
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17622040_625880324282959_6097389931579635698_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQlA-Pm0-u3PxJsIZvcEv2QbKOOQ0KTbOKeJRboC0N12u0a0mdNrWsyJl8t 0AYgoXRE&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=acc902d56ecf95096fe9af5ebc5afef7&oe=5E249FBC
http://www.wevza.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/germany-u17-girls2014.jpg

Russians
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=74468&type=Press&width=1500&height=865&stretch=uniform
https://i.imgur.com/LqS07FU.jpg
http://odbojka.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Rusija-seniorke-Evropsko-prvenstvo.jpg
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=201711227&width=1500&height=865&stretch=uniform

[Jana]

Smelly Stears gave you that clap, dirty Jewish witch

Your mother has semite DNA, and high red sea score. My red sea score is 0, unlike yours self-hating Semite. xD
No wonder since your Galiacian shithole was always full of Jews.

[Cumansky]

Smelly penis, there is no trace of Germans or Jews in my dna so obviously genetics doesn't always confirm some ideas our parents had about their ancestry.

You have Ashkenazi in your MyHeritage, MyHeritage is good at picking it up I heard

[Cumansky]

Your mother has semite DNA, and high red sea score. My red sea score is 0, unlike yours self-hating Semite. xD

I'm Jew tho, how is that self hating

[Sandman]

Poland is considered Eastern Europe in German-speaking countries

It's a "cold war" relic. For 50 years, Poland and Germany were on different sides of the "Iron Curtain". I am sure that in 20-30 years, when the economic gap between the two countries will reduces, and the memory of the "Iron Curtain" fades, Poland will not be seen as the east of Europe.
In the photo: Polish Pope John Paul II and German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-V3UC0d7qYwU/UR6SC7JkUtI/AAAAAAAACvg/plCUg-QMrFQ/s1600/Ratzinger+and+John+Paul+II.jpg

[Jana]

You have Ashkenazi in your MyHeritage, MyHeritage is good at picking it up I heard

Nope, myHeritage is shit. I have nothing Jewish on 23andme, FTDNA, gedmatch or Global 25.

[Jana]

It's a "cold war" relic. For 50 years, Poland and Germany were on different sides of the "Iron Curtain". I am sure that in 20-30 years, when the economic gap between the two countries will reduces, and the memory of the "Iron Curtain" fades, Poland will not be seen as the east of Europe.
In the photo: Polish Pope John Paul II and German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-V3UC0d7qYwU/UR6SC7JkUtI/AAAAAAAACvg/plCUg-QMrFQ/s1600/Ratzinger+and+John+Paul+II.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292319-Letter-of-Reconciliation-of-the-Polish-Bishops-to-the-German-Bishops


The Pastoral Letter of the Polish Bishops to their German Brothers was a pastoral letter sent on 18 November 1965 by Polish bishops of the Roman Catholic Church to their German counterparts. It was foremost an invitation to the 1000 Year Anniversary Celebrations of Poland's Christianization in 966. In this invitation letter the bishops asked for cooperation not only with Catholics but with Protestants as well.

While recalling past and recent historical events, the bishops stretched out their hands in forgiveness and are asking for forgiveness. Here referred to as Letter of Reconciliation of the Polish Bishops to the German Bishops it is actually only one part of the extensive groundbreaking invitation and letter, where they declared: "We forgive and ask for forgiveness" (for the crimes of World War II).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Wroclaw-KardynalKominek.jpg

Memorial to Bolesław Kominek. The words below the statue ("... we forgive and ask for forgiveness") are a quote from the Letter, which was authored by Kominek.

t was one of the first attempts at reconciliation after the tragedies of the Second World War, in which Germany invaded Poland; both countries lost millions of people, while millions more, both Poles and Germans, had to flee from their homes or were forcibly resettled. Pope Pius XII had nominated German bishops over Polish dioceses, which was seen as the Holy See's recognition of the German conquest, and generated popular feeling against the Vatican. A much larger part was the invitation and the attempt of the Catholic bishops to gain distance from the Communists who were ruling Poland.

Among prominent supporters of this letter was Krakow's Archbishop, Karol Wojtyła, who later became Pope John Paul II in 1978.

The letter was answered by bishops of both of the then-two Germanys together.

Widely publicised in Poland's churches, the letter drew a strong reaction from the Communist authorities of the People's Republic of Poland. Władysław Gomułka saw it as clearly aimed at countering his propaganda, which saw West Germany as the main external enemy of Poland and continued hostility between Poland and West Germany as one of the main guarantees of social order in the Recovered Territories.

To counteract the threat of losing control over people's minds, the Communist authorities reacted with anti-German and anti-Catholic hysteria. The Primate of Poland, Stefan Wyszyński, was denied a passport for his trip to Rome and on January 15, 1966, Gomułka announced preparations for state celebrations of the 1000 Years of the Polish State, intended as a countermeasure against the church-sponsored celebrations of 1000 years of the baptism of Poland. Most German linguists were forced to sign a letter of protest; those who refused were fired from their universities. In addition, the authorities twice refused permission for a planned visit of Pope Paul VI to Poland in 1966. The following year the Polish United Workers' Party planned to limit the number of religious schools, which was also seen as a penalty for the Letter of Reconciliation. The anti-church campaign lasted until Gomułka's downfall in 1970.

[Cumansky]

Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history", and has concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.

What happened to Peterski ^ that made him "Polish"

[Cumansky]

Nope, myHeritage is shit. I have nothing Jewish on 23andme, FTDNA, gedmatch or Global 25.

:jew:

[Jana]

:jew:

I have nothing against Jews but I simply don't show any Jewish genetics and my mom claimed grand-grandma was a Jew.
I also have nothing Germans and grandma was suposed to be mostly German. I would like have something from them too but I simply don't (except possibly mtdna)

Some people like to fantasize about exotic ancestry to be more interesting. I am just a regular Croat genetically and there is nothing special about me.

[Ford]

Russians, no-brainer imo.

[Cumansky]

I have nothing against Jews but I simply don't show any Jewish genetics and my mom claimed grand-grandma was a Jew.
I also have nothing Germans and grandma was suposed to be mostly German. I would like have something from them too but I simply don't.

Some people like to fantasize about exotic ancestry to be more interesting. I am just a regular Croat genetically and there is nothing special about me.

CROATIAN GEDMATCH:

:jewish: + :bagpipe: + :punjabidance + :vampire @ 0.0000000000

[Sandman]

Comparison of phenotypes

German national football team
http://img2.chinadaily.com.cn/images/201807/23/5b557fbca310796d8b4d1710.jpeg
Russian national football team
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Russia_vs_Egypt_2018.jpg
Poland national football team
https://en.as.com/futbol/imagenes/2017/11/20/reportajes/1511209696_976630_1511210006_noticiareportajes_gra nde.jpg

[Jana]

Comparison of phenotypes

I used volleyball teams because they are much more native than football teams. I really see no sense in you using German team filled with foreigners and Russian team containing Caucasians and Central Asian.
You are obviously a troll.

[TheMaestro]

To Ruskis.

[Moje ime]

Russians, no-brainer imo.

+1

[Ülev]

to Яussians unfortunately

[Rumata]

Poland is considered Eastern Europe in German-speaking countries

Don't be surprised by posts of someone who has the badge of Brygada Świętokrzyska as his avatar.


Although the brigade occasionally fought the Germans, it avoided confrontations with the occupier and stressed a "clearing of the Polish territories of red banditry".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Cross_Mountains_Brigade

[chociprasa]

Genetically to Russians, culturally to Germans.

[Rumata]

What are the cultural traits common in Poles and Germans and not common in Russians? I really want to know.
Except Catholicism.

[Supercomputer]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/20181124_WOC902_0.png

[Rumata]

What is that?


What are the cultural traits common in Poles and Germans and not common in Russians? I really want to know.
Except Catholicism.

[TheOldNorth]

They are closer to Russians in both. They are however culturally influenced by Germans but they for the most part replaced the Germanic genes of the area