Mingle
12-04-2019, 11:04 PM
I think we don't know where he passed. Based on other sources too it indicates the land in question is modern Montenegro. Whatever the case is it seems that Greeks didn't really differentiated Croats from Serbs and vice versa.
Don't really give a shit what she wrote. Fact is that the thing Serbs like to quote is a supplement. Fact is that in the main charter Ninoslav addresses his people as Bošnjani or something like that. Fact is that he promises to Dubrovnik protection from the Raška Republic (or Serbia proper at the time). All this is not a smoking gun just as that supplement is not a smoking gun for Serbian claims. Balkan history will always remain clouded.
What is your opinion on ph2ter's post regarding multiple sources (Einhard, DAI, Kinnamos) connecting Bosnia (east of the Vrbas & north of the Neretva) to Serbia or Serbs? It seems to be the strongest argument in favor of them being most likely Serbs:
I must admit that before 13th century Bosnia east of Vrbas and north of Neretva rivers was always in some way part of Serbia or under control of Serbia.
Every known historical document testifies this, not only Matej Ninoslav charters.
Einhard from 9th century, DAI from 10th century and Kinnamos from 12th century connect Bosnia with Serbia or Serbs.
When Medieval Bosnia included the lands west of Vrbas (Donji Kraji - Hrvoje Hrvatinić lands), it could no longer use Serbian name in political documents,
because Hrvatinić noble family was of Croatian origin and was very important in Bosnia.
After that, from 14th century Bosnian Medieval political elite started to use Bosniak identification exclusively.
Don't really give a shit what she wrote. Fact is that the thing Serbs like to quote is a supplement. Fact is that in the main charter Ninoslav addresses his people as Bošnjani or something like that. Fact is that he promises to Dubrovnik protection from the Raška Republic (or Serbia proper at the time). All this is not a smoking gun just as that supplement is not a smoking gun for Serbian claims. Balkan history will always remain clouded.
What is your opinion on ph2ter's post regarding multiple sources (Einhard, DAI, Kinnamos) connecting Bosnia (east of the Vrbas & north of the Neretva) to Serbia or Serbs? It seems to be the strongest argument in favor of them being most likely Serbs:
I must admit that before 13th century Bosnia east of Vrbas and north of Neretva rivers was always in some way part of Serbia or under control of Serbia.
Every known historical document testifies this, not only Matej Ninoslav charters.
Einhard from 9th century, DAI from 10th century and Kinnamos from 12th century connect Bosnia with Serbia or Serbs.
When Medieval Bosnia included the lands west of Vrbas (Donji Kraji - Hrvoje Hrvatinić lands), it could no longer use Serbian name in political documents,
because Hrvatinić noble family was of Croatian origin and was very important in Bosnia.
After that, from 14th century Bosnian Medieval political elite started to use Bosniak identification exclusively.