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Psychonaut
03-17-2009, 03:19 PM
Classify and guess the ethnicity of this 18 year old professional boxer.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3362317295_61950a3ab8_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3419/3362317327_79566fbfc1_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/3363133716_24fcea4771_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3450/3362335355_7195aa89fc_o.jpg

Treffie
03-17-2009, 03:26 PM
Ok, I'm blocked at work, don't reveal the answer til I get home, K?:D

Groenewolf
03-17-2009, 03:53 PM
I am a complete novice when it comes to racial classification. But he reminds me in a way of someone who also lives in the same town as I do so I will say Dutch.

Ĉmeric
03-17-2009, 04:13 PM
The redhair initially made me think of the British Isles or the Netherlands. But on closer examination I'll say redheaded Spanish or Portuguese type, maybe of Galician or Asturian origins. He reminds me of a redheaded Puerto Rican I once knew.

Loyalist
03-17-2009, 04:45 PM
Predominantly Bruenn I believe, with Faelid influence. He struck me as Irish in the first three, although his eyes and facial shape in the last photo seem to betray Iberian heritage. Echoing Ĉmeric, my guess is Spanish, Galician to be specific.

Absinthe
03-17-2009, 06:26 PM
Predominantly Bruenn I believe, with Faelid influence.

Ditto... :)

P.S.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3582/3363133716_24fcea4771_o.jpg

"Close Encounters of the Third Kind" :lol:

Allenson
03-17-2009, 07:02 PM
Yes, a curious example of Irish Brunn coloring draped over a Faelid craniofacial structure.

Sarmata
03-17-2009, 07:18 PM
Bruenn similar to Wayne Rooney(football player):

http://i44.tinypic.com/2j67qjo.jpg

Heimmacht
03-17-2009, 08:24 PM
Damn, I love his hair.

Absinthe
03-17-2009, 08:30 PM
But he reminds me in a way of someone who also lives in the same town as I do so I will say Dutch.

Funny that you mention as I overheard three guys speaking Dutch today at a tourist spot in Athens, and all three looked like this guy! :p I would have guessed Dutch but I don't rule out other possibilities either.

chap
03-17-2009, 10:03 PM
He looks like Chris O'Donnell who is Irish and German.

Beorn
03-17-2009, 10:10 PM
He's an American. Faelid-Bruenn. British Isles descent.

Ĉmeric
03-17-2009, 10:22 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3450/3362335355_7195aa89fc_o.jpg

In this photo - the one that made me think he could be Iberian - you can seen his eyes & they are either medium brown or a dark hazel. Most redheads from the British Isles are almost always blue or grey eyed. I've never seen one who wasn't.

I also remember a Tejano guy I knew several years ago (no visible Amerindian or Moor), with similar hair & eye coloring. I still think the boxer is Spanish or Portuguese descent. The original inhabitants of Iberia must have been very similar to the British Celts pre the various invasions of the Iberian peninsula & some of that type must have survived in the mountainous areas of northern Spain.

Treffie
03-17-2009, 10:55 PM
This chap is the spitting image of my brother, red hair and dark brown eyes. At first I thought he was an Irish Bruenn but as The Loyalist stated, he is quite square jawed so some Faelid influence there too. I'd guess Scots/French.

YggsVinr
03-17-2009, 11:01 PM
I'd guess Scots/French.

I'm not sure about the classification part, but this makes the most sense to me. The minute I saw this guy he reminded me of many of the red haired Scots around my town, he actually looks like someone I know. Also, I've met many of Scottish ancestry with red hair and hazel/brown eyes, I can think of my cousin's boyfriend right off the top of my head.

Psychonaut
03-18-2009, 02:58 AM
Alright. It looks like everyone has gotten their guess in. I'm not entirely surprised that no one correctly guessed his nationality, although a few of you were probably spot on with his ancestral origins being either Asturian or Galitian. He is the Mexican boxer Saul Alvarez. I know, tricky. :D

Ĉmeric
03-18-2009, 03:07 AM
Saul Alvarez. Interesting. There were supposedly some Conversos who left Spain during the Inquisition in the 16th century & settled in Northern Mexico (Zacatecas, Chichuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon) & what is now New Mexico. One of the ways those families stand out is certain names that they use that are Old Testament/Hebrew. Like Saul, Rebecca, Esai, Israel etc.. I guess the Inquisition didn't reach Colonial Mexico. The Conversos came as family groups, unlike many migrants from the Iberian peninsula to the New World. So Seńor Alvarez probably has some Sephardim ancestry.

Psychonaut
03-18-2009, 03:28 AM
Saul Alvarez. Interesting. There were supposedly some Conversos who left Spain during the Inquisition in the 16th century & settled in Northern Mexico (Zacatecas, Chichuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon) & what is now New Mexico. One of the ways those families stand out is certain names that they use that are Old Testament/Hebrew. Like Saul, Rebecca, Esai, Israel etc.. I guess the Inquisition didn't reach Colonial Mexico. The Conversos came as family groups, unlike many migrants from the Iberian peninsula to the New World. So Seńor Alvarez probably has some Sephardim ancestry.

It's possible. I know for certain that Alvarez is found amongst Sephardic Jews.

Ĉmeric
03-18-2009, 03:48 AM
I remembered that Omar & Ishmael (but never Mohommad) also occasionally show up among Mexicans, maybe a sign that a few Muslims made the journey. But Jose & Jesus still seem to the most popular male names for Mexicans.

Saul Alvarez does not look like the typical Mexican by a longshot. Though I have know some descendents of refugees from the Mexican Revolution who look very Western European, (not Moorish) & they tended to refer to themselves as "Spanish" not Mexican. And some of the Old Hispano families in New Mexico & Texas also look very Western European. But most of what we received in Arizona & the rest of the Southwest is very Mestizo & in recent years fullblooded Amerindians.

There is still very much a class system in Mexico, it probably helps in keeping the few Europid families pure.