Proto Nordid Race

[Cumansky]

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

This race is found everywhere, who they are???

[Yamnaya]

I know a couple of poles who look like that. For me they look like norid but with larger faces

[Cumansky]

I know a couple of poles who look like that. For me they look like norid but with larger faces

My Mother has this race

[NiccMach]

Ancient IE component probably. They look rough and antipathic to me. It's not a charismatic roughness like paleoatlantids or faelids, but an ugly one.

[Blondie]

They were proto-iranics, greeks described them light haired eyed peoples. Now this phenotype is common where iranics live/lived.

[Blondie]

Ancient IE component probably.

No, because it's not common everywhere, only the ex iranic areas. Iranics were aryans, proto-nordid is the original aryan phenotype.

[Cumansky]

Ancient IE component probably. They look rough and antipathic to me. It's not a charismatic roughness like paleoatlantids or faelids, but an ugly one.

Why will Scythians be friendly?

[Cumansky]

No, because it's not common everywhere, only the ex iranic areas. Iranics were aryans, proto-nordid is the original aryan phenotype.

Yes, but rare in Germany almost non existant

This phenotype originated around silk route in the past

[Blondie]

Yes, but rare in Germany almost non existant

This phenotype originated around silk route in the past

Germans are germanic, not iranic/aryan.

[Cumansky]

Germans are germanic, not iranic/aryan.

You getting smarter everyday

[Daos777]

Looks like a couple of my uncles.

[Blondie]

You getting smarter everyday

Btw it depends on what do you mean under aryan? The nazi or historical definition.

[Daos777]

Btw it depends on what do you mean under aryan? The nazi or historical definition.

Why would anyone mean Hitler’s larping Aryans?

[Cumansky]

Btw it depends on what do you mean under aryan? The nazi or historical definition.

Historical only, Nazis is the past

[Blondie]

Why would anyone mean Hitler’s larping Aryans?

Because most of the world know only the nazi definition and an average people don't even care or understand science/history.

[NiccMach]

No, because it's not common everywhere, only the ex iranic areas. Iranics were aryans, proto-nordid is the original aryan phenotype.

Persians described themselves like todays during Achamenid rule.
https://media.sciencephoto.com/c0/04/79/45/c0047945-800px-wm.jpg
If you imply Arab invasions made modern Iranics swarthier, it's not reasonable, since Iranic y-dna pools are still not semitic.
IE Iranic culture, language may be implemented on Persia by founder effect and miscegenation.

[Daos777]

Persians described themselves like todays during Achamenid rule.
https://media.sciencephoto.com/c0/04/79/45/c0047945-800px-wm.jpg
If you imply Arab invasions made modern Iranics swarthier, it's not reasonable, since Iranic y-dna pools are still not semitic.
IE Iranic culture, language may be implemented on Persia by founder effect and miscegenation.

Y-DNA doesn’t prove the whole picture though. What if Persian men where intermarrying Arab women for centuries?

[TheOldNorth]

Because most of the world know only the nazi definition and an average people don't even care or understand science/history.

The very reason why scientists don’t continue the research into physical anthropology anymore, and when they do they do it in a way more of a pseudo science than what they claim actually is pseudoscience

[Blondie]

Persians described themselves like todays during Achamenid rule.
https://media.sciencephoto.com/c0/04/79/45/c0047945-800px-wm.jpg
If you imply Arab invasions made modern Iranics swarthier, it's not reasonable, since Iranic y-dna pools are still not semitic.
IE Iranic culture, language may be implemented on Persia by founder effect and miscegenation.

I didn't say that, proto-iranics originated from East Europe, the iranic r1a-z93 marker too:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/R1a_migration_map.jpg

This population conquered and assimilated south west asian locals, they are iranians today.

[NiccMach]

Y-DNA doesn’t prove the whole picture though. What if Persian men where intermarrying Arab women for centuries?

I guess Arabs didn't bring their women to military campaigns. And they have been extremely patriarchal, they wouldn't allow a conquered nation's men to breed their women probably.

[Daos777]

Because most of the world know only the nazi definition and an average people don't even care or understand science/history.

I mean on this forum. I’m pretty sure most people on here are informed about what real Aryans are. They seen my picture they know where I’m from.

[Lousianaboy]

i have been classified as pro nordid with more dinaric influence, but I think im north atlantid with dinarid

[NiccMach]

The very reason why scientists don’t continue the research into physical anthropology anymore, and when they do they do it in a way more of a pseudo science than what they claim actually is pseudoscience

Physical anthropology is as sciencefic as somatotypes. Not sciencefic nor lack some patterns totally.

[Daos777]

I guess Arabs didn't bring their women to military campaigns. And they have been extremely patriarchal, they wouldn't allow a conquered nation's men to breed their women probably.

That makes sense I was just using it as a hypothetical example. It’s obvious that Iranians today have some kind of southern admixture that pulls them WAY SOUTH from original aryans that lived in the Eurasian steppe. What do modern Iranians score on South Asian? Might be Dravidian like admixture.

[Blondie]

I mean on this forum. I’m pretty sure most people on here are informed about what real Aryans are. They seen my picture they know where I’m from.

Slavs and aryans are not same, since slavs are not iranic and they aren't originated from iranics. :thumb001: I know many slav larping iranic/aryan today, Örgur Adam did it too, i don't know why...

[Daos777]

Slavs and aryans are not same, since slavs are not iranic and they aren't originated from iranics. :thumb001: I know many slav larping iranic/aryan today, Örgur Adam did it too, i don't know why...

Because many Slavs have high Scythian/Sarmatian admixture. These people were slavicized after all they were not all genocided.

[Blondie]

Because many Slavs have high Scythian/Sarmatian admixture. These people were slavicized after all they were not all genocided.

They were not slavized, the r1a-z93 is very rare among slavs.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-Z93-Asia.png

[Daos777]

They were not slavized, the r1a-z93 is very rare among slavs.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-Z93-Asia.png

The women were Slavicized. If you know what I’m saying. Also what do you think happened to them then? Where they really all killed off?

[NiccMach]

Slavs and aryans are not same, since slavs are not iranic and they aren't originated from iranics. :thumb001: I know many slav larping iranic/aryan today, Örgur Adam did it too, i don't know why...

Most core Slavs like Western Russians, Poles are brachy or meso, but real Aryans must be hyper doli. Some alpinization/baltization should have occured.

[Daos777]

Most core Slavs like Western Russians, Poles are brachy or meso, but real Aryans must be hyper doli. Some alpinization/baltization should have occured.

This means nothing. Almost all of today’s CM descendants today are Brachy or Meso while cromagnoids were extremely Doli.

[Dorian]

Harsher-featured "kavkaz"-looking ones probably
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?75154-Iranian-Nordoid-examples
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?231211-Nordic-Iranian-type
Before they got altered by danubian meds&UP types in Europe...

[NiccMach]

This means nothing. Almost all of today’s CM descendants today are Brachy or Meso while cromagnoids were extremely Doli.

I think this change is not explainable easily. Change of bones are always the most complex ones.
Perhaps, selective breeding was the reason. Each generation may favor reproducing with more harmonious looking bracies. Horse face is linked with extreme dolicephalism and not liked by men or women sexually.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lE9IITscGUw/maxresdefault.jpg
Or brachies outbred others due to this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4899118/People-short-wide-faces-highest-libidos.html

[Cumansky]

Slavs and aryans are not same, since slavs are not iranic and they aren't originated from iranics. :thumb001: I know many slav larping iranic/aryan today, Örgur Adam did it too, i don't know why...

Easterm Slavs have origin from Sintashta cultures more than anyone in Europe, first culture use wheel and chariot artifacts

I am 52.4% Scythian, see this calc: 93152

[Daos777]

I think this change is not explainable easily. Change of bones are always the most complex ones.
Perhaps, selective breeding was the reason. Each generation may favor reproducing with more harmonious looking bracies. Horse face is linked with extreme dolicephalism and not liked by men or women sexually.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lE9IITscGUw/maxresdefault.jpg
Or brachies outbred others due to this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4899118/People-short-wide-faces-highest-libidos.html

It definitely wasn’t sexual selection or selective breeding. Up until recently women had no choice in who they marry. Especially during times such as indo-european migrations. These dudes were the ones to survive and probably violently out competed the Dolis.


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[Ymyyakhtakh]

Ancient IE component probably. They look rough and antipathic to me. It's not a charismatic roughness like paleoatlantids or faelids, but an ugly one.

If you're saying so based on the morphs at humanphenotypes, was made by a German (ratatoskr) who was clearly biased against Eastern Europeans.

Here's earlier versions of some of his morphs:

https://i.ibb.co/WK2X5MX/humanphenotypes-european-morphs-old-versions.jpg

He chose pretty-looking people even for the Mediterranid and Atlantid morphs, but then the Osteuropid morphs look like shit.

[NiccMach]

If you're saying so based on the morphs at humanphenotypes, was made by a German (ratatoskr) who was clearly biased against Eastern Europeans.

Here's earlier versions of some of his morphs:

https://i.ibb.co/WK2X5MX/humanphenotypes-european-morphs-old-versions.jpg

He chose pretty-looking people even for the Mediterranid and Atlantid morphs, but then the Osteuropid morphs look like shit.

No, Eastern Euro phenos are absolute opposite of proto-nordid, they are CM looking wide faced morphs apperantly, but proto nordid is opposite, augracian looking narrow faced:
https://c.radikal.ru/c33/1802/d3/f42b2c6cf69c.jpg
But, I agree he may have chosen biased photos. East Baltid looks like a 1.60m depigmented mongol which must be exaggerated.

[Blondie]

Easterm Slavs have origin from Sintashta cultures more than anyone in Europe, first culture use wheel and chariot artifacts

I am 52.4% Scythian, see this calc: 93152

You are 52% turkic according to this link not scythian, and you have different ethnicity and genetic result in every week...

[Kyp]

Persians described themselves like todays during Achamenid rule.
https://media.sciencephoto.com/c0/04/79/45/c0047945-800px-wm.jpg
If you imply Arab invasions made modern Iranics swarthier, it's not reasonable, since Iranic y-dna pools are still not semitic.
IE Iranic culture, language may be implemented on Persia by founder effect and miscegenation.

Proto Nordic Iranics/Aryans mixed with Swarthy Iranian farmers in Central Asia (not in Iran). Then went further west. People like the Yagnobis from Tajikistan are genetically closest to the Iranians who moved into today's Iran. It's actually pretty similar to Turkification of Anatolia.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

No, Eastern Euro phenos are absolute opposite of proto-nordid, they are CM looking wide faced morphs apperantly, but proto nordid is opposite, augracian looking narrow faced:

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But, I agree he may have chosen biased photos. East Baltid looks like a 1.60m depigmented mongol which must be exaggerated.

Isn't Proto-Nordid an Eastern European type? (http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html)


Description:

Ancient East Nordid variety, the eastern counterpart of the Aisto Nordids. Together with early Mediterranids it was widespread in prehistoric Proto-Indo-European populations of the Eurasian steppes (Fatyanovo). Diluted today. Still found sporadically in Russians, Balts, Rhodopians, Kurds, Gilani, Alawis, Samaritans, Druze, some Persians, Kalash, Pamiri, and sometimes even in Uyghurs.

Physical Traits:

Pale to fair skin, straight or wavy, usually blonde, sometimes reddish hair with blue, green, or grey eyes. Tall, mesoskelic, ectomorph to mesomorph. Dolichocephalic, mildly hypsicranic. Face long, nose prominent, long and hyperleptorrhine, sometimes convex. Rather rugged features, a deep mandible and a marked chin.

Literature:

Eickstedt (1952) and Vondernach's (2008) called similar types Proto Nordid, Wellisch (1937) Altnordid (Old Nordid). Lundman (1943) defined it as Arin Nordid - his eastern East Nordid variety. Coon's (1939) Corded is similar. Iranian Nordoids (Cole, 1965; Eickstedt, 1961; Biasutti, 1967) can be included. Keyser et al. (2009) confirmed a high frequencies of blonde hair and green eyes in early Kurgans.

I think the humanphenotypes guy was also biased in favor of narrow-faced phenotypes. Actually wide-faced people look better than narrow-faced people:

https://i.ibb.co/NxG6Zbf/morphs-of-swedish-football-players-grouped-by-bizygomatic-face-width.jpg

[NiccMach]

Isn't Proto-Nordid an Eastern European type? (http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html)


Description:

Ancient East Nordid variety, the eastern counterpart of the Aisto Nordids. Together with early Mediterranids it was widespread in prehistoric Proto-Indo-European populations of the Eurasian steppes (Fatyanovo). Diluted today. Still found sporadically in Russians, Balts, Rhodopians, Kurds, Gilani, Alawis, Samaritans, Druze, some Persians, Kalash, Pamiri, and sometimes even in Uyghurs.

Physical Traits:

Pale to fair skin, straight or wavy, usually blonde, sometimes reddish hair with blue, green, or grey eyes. Tall, mesoskelic, ectomorph to mesomorph. Dolichocephalic, mildly hypsicranic. Face long, nose prominent, long and hyperleptorrhine, sometimes convex. Rather rugged features, a deep mandible and a marked chin.

Literature:

Eickstedt (1952) and Vondernach's (2008) called similar types Proto Nordid, Wellisch (1937) Altnordid (Old Nordid). Lundman (1943) defined it as Arin Nordid - his eastern East Nordid variety. Coon's (1939) Corded is similar. Iranian Nordoids (Cole, 1965; Eickstedt, 1961; Biasutti, 1967) can be included. Keyser et al. (2009) confirmed a high frequencies of blonde hair and green eyes in early Kurgans.

I think the humanphenotypes guy was also biased in favor of narrow-faced phenotypes. Actually wide-faced people look better than narrow-faced people:

https://i.ibb.co/NxG6Zbf/morphs-of-swedish-football-players-grouped-by-bizygomatic-face-width.jpg

Those morphs are in the favor of western phenotypes. Tbh, average pure gracile med is not that good looking. And baltids look like Russian mafia or down syndromed.

[L3mon J3lly]

It definitely wasn’t sexual selection or selective breeding. Up until recently women had no choice in who they marry. Especially during times such as indo-european migrations. These dudes were the ones to survive and probably violently out competed the Dolis.


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Laughable cope. It was doli men killing brachy "males" and fucking their women. Doli = masc, aggressive, evil. Brachy = submissive neotenous femme peasant bitch.

Corded Ware, Yamnaya, Scythians, Xiongnu, Turks, Mongols, etc = doli men killing brachy men and stealing the brachy females.

[NiccMach]

Laughable cope. It was doli men killing brachy "males" and fucking their women. Doli = masc, aggressive, evil. Brachy = submissive neotenous femme peasant bitch.

Corded Ware, Yamnaya, Scythians, Xiongnu, Turks, Mongols, etc = doli men killing brachy men and stealing the brachy females.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/50/ca/6550cad3a43c089cfcbeda5d15e5d224.jpg

[L3mon J3lly]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/50/ca/6550cad3a43c089cfcbeda5d15e5d224.jpg

Guys who look like the left have been dominating guys who look like the right for thousands of years.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/scaled/2015/03/30/05/271FD1CE00000578-0-image-a-104_1427688066158.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3017464/Are-perfect-faces-Scientists-map-features-world-s-beautiful-men-women-asking-100-people-attractive.html

https://i.imgur.com/DemhzlN.png

[Daos777]

Laughable cope. It was doli men killing brachy "males" and fucking their women. Doli = masc, aggressive, evil. Brachy = submissive neotenous femme peasant bitch.

Corded Ware, Yamnaya, Scythians, Xiongnu, Turks, Mongols, etc = doli men killing brachy men and stealing the brachy females.

Corded ware and Yamnaya were robust and doli though. There are almost no modern Europeans who are both robust and doli.

As for the others you mentioned pretty sure they were not doli. Provide proof for that shit.