Classify Tajik bride & Kurdish groom

[Zoro]

https://i.imgur.com/bQMDJMX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tYuRl6k.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/afX8Zh5.jpg

Here is the video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN8xxoCeEE

[Zroota]

They are both generically Orientalids. The Kurdish man has a dark, tanned Med look in some ways.

[NiccMach]

Both look Saudi orientalids.

[Pater Patota]

What Kurdish is he?Which tribe is he from?

[Zoro]

What Kurdish is he?Which tribe is he from?

In the background I hear sorani kurdish so that would mean near Iran-Iraq border. For example Hawker Iraq or could be from Iranian side.

[Zoro]

They are both generically Orientalids. The Kurdish man has a dark, tanned Med look in some ways.

Do you mean he looks Italian?

[Bakha]

Tajik????

[Pater Patota]

Questions:

Does she look Tajik?

Do Sorani Kurds have dark oriantalid phenotype?

[Bakha]

Questions:

Does she look Tajik?

Do Sorani Kurds have dark oriantalid phenotype?
What Tajik she is? Afghan?
Her type is almost extinct in Tajikistan

[Zroota]

Do you mean he looks Italian?
No. He looks like a Levantine Med (who would have some South Euro ancestry). He is what you get if you mixed an Arab with a 'dark' Sicilian.

[Jana]

Kurdish guy is clear Arabid/Semitic type. Woman looks like swarthy Armenoid/Assyroid.

[21993]

Iranids

[Zoro]

What Tajik she is? Afghan?
Her type is almost extinct in Tajikistan
Yes Afghan Tajik. There is alot of diversity in Tajiks with regards to E. Asian and steppe ancestry because that region is a melting pot. East Iranians such as Bactrians and Sogduans were their ancestors. The poet Rumi was Tajik too that was before the country Iran existed

[Zeus]

Female being a darker Armenoid type. Male being a more Orientalid/Arabid type.

[Bakha]

Yes Afghan Tajik. There is alot of diversity in Tajiks with regards to E. Asian and steppe ancestry because that region is a melting pot. East Iranians such as Bactrians and Sogduans were their ancestors. The poet Rumi was Tajik too that was before the country Iran existed
Her type is almost non existent in Tajikistan. It’s not that she is dark, but her features look way too semitic. I don’t know much about Afghan Tajiks, but I think she is atypical even for them. I am also a half Bukharan Uzbekistani (basically a Tajik) and don’t look near eastern.

[Zoro]

Questions:

Does she look Tajik?

Do Sorani Kurds have dark oriantalid phenotype?

On average the darkest kurds are the Feylis and Kermanshahis but on average Soranis and Kurmanjis are lighter but there are darker ones amongst them too such as some of my relatives and father. With regards to Kurmanjis and Soranis I have noticed the ones on the Iraqi side of the border to be on average darker than those on the Iranian side perhaps due to more levantine or mesopotamian ancestry.

[lameduck]

girl lokk dark armenoid , guy look arabic to me

[Thambi]

Her type is almost non existent in Tajikistan. It’s not that she is dark, but her features look way too semitic. I don’t know much about Afghan Tajiks, but I think she is atypical even for them. I am also a half Bukharan Uzbekistani (basically a Tajik) and don’t look near eastern.

you do look near eastern though. atleast from the pics you posted before.

[Nurzat]

she looks both Arabic and Indic influenced, I'd say she's not the most typical Tajik :cool: while he looks like a blend of Iranic and Arabic - he looks very manly and strong, could be the King of Persia in a Hollywood movie xD

[FinalFlash]

Both look Orientalid as fuck. I imagine this look to be commonplace in the Levant and Arabia.

[Oghuz]

Two iranics mating. Sweet.

Girl Armenoid
Boy east med orientalid

Boy is a sorani kurd and looks like an Iranian soccer player dejagah

[FinalFlash]

I don't think either of them look typical for their respective ethnicities

[aherne]

Wife: North Indid
Male: Indo-Iranian

I would have guessed them as gypsies, obviously. Super typical both of them...

[Avicenna]

Girl is very atypical for a tajik, both Afghan and tajikistan. She is a dark Armenoid for sure.

[TheMaestro]

Girl has traits that I just hate when women have. 2.5/10

[Negah]

Guy east med looks pan west Asian

Girl armeniod passes in west asia

[Kivan]

They look gypsy.

Man: Arabid + Veddoid.
Woman: Indo-Brachid + Armenoid.

[Zoro]

Thanks everyone personally I also see them as orientalid with maybe hints of armenoid for the girl and arabid for the guy although if I had to pick my first choice would be like Kivan’s and Aherne’s answer

Guy- Arabid + Veddoid. He does remind me of some Indian or Pakistani guys. Who knows maybe some neolithic Iranian farmers looked like him:ohwell:
Girl: Indo-brachid + armenoid. To me she has some hints of Indo-brachid

[Bakha]

you do look near eastern though. atleast from the pics you posted before.
No i don’t look near eastern. I look North Iran/Northern Caucasus

[Bakha]

No i don’t look near eastern. I look North Iran/Northern Caucasus
Srs stop with this Mena trolling please

[Bakha]

Girl has traits that I just hate when women have. 2.5/10
I bet you re not fond of Arab, Jewish, Southern Italian, Greek, Spaniard and some Balkanite females then.
I agree, European women and Beautiful Turkish/Persian is the way to go

[TheMaestro]

I bet you re not fond of Arab, Jewish, Southern Italian, Greek, Spaniard and some Balkanite females then.
I agree, European women and Beautiful Turkish/Persian is the way to go

Pass ze weed.

[Negah]

Guy- Arabid + Veddoid. He does remind me of some Indian or Pakistani guys. Who knows maybe some neolithic Iranian farmers looked like him:ohwell:



I did not realize that Iranian Neolithic farmers looked Arabic and Veddoid. I wonder if Iranian Neolithic Farmers were the ones that brought Veddoid features to South Asia.

[aherne]

I did not realize that Iranian Neolithic farmers looked Arabic and Veddoid. I wonder if Iranian Neolithic Farmers were the ones that brought Veddoid features to South Asia.

:picard1: Of course they didn't... I hope you are not joking:) Indid is super rare among Tajiks (she's the first I've seen). Probably they are a misidentified couple (some gypsies from Turkey)

[Negah]

The poet Rumi was Tajik too that was before the country Iran existed


Yes, Iran is a new country. Wow, I am mesmerized and amazed by the depth of your knowledge and understanding rather lack of it.

[Negah]

:picard1: Of course they didn't... I hope you are not joking:) Indid is super rare among Tajiks (she's the first I've seen). Probably they are a misidentified couple (some gypsies from Turkey)

I don't think you read my comment. I think I wrote it in English, please reread it. I am pretty sure I did not mention the girl or the guy. My comment was about Iranian-Neolithic. My comment was not directed to you at all by the way.

[Negah]

Questions:

Does she look Tajik?

Do Sorani Kurds have dark oriantalid phenotype?

There are dark types everywhere in MENA and in Every group even among the Scandanavian TURKS. Even the TURKS can have dark types.

[Zoro]

I did not realize that Iranian Neolithic farmers looked Arabic and Veddoid. I wonder if Iranian Neolithic Farmers were the ones that brought Veddoid features to South Asia.

My guess is that some Neolithic Iranian farmers looked something like the guy because when we look at various statutes and depictions of Elamites which I think were similar to IranianNeolithic farmers their color is depicted as brown and their features resemble some populations in Pakistan and India. Also many believe the Elamites spoke some type of Dravidian language. The location of the Elamites is very close to Kurdish areas and some believe some of the Kurd ancestors migrated north from central and south Zagros mountains

http://vickynairofficial.blogspot.com/2017/12/mystery-of-india-secret-of-elamites.html

[Negah]

My guess is that some Neolithic Iranian farmers looked something like the guy because when we look at various statutes and depictions of Elamites which I think were similar to IranianNeolithic farmers their color is depicted as brown and their features resemble some populations in Pakistan and India. Also many believe the Elamites spoke some type of Dravidian language. The location of the Elamites is very close to Kurdish areas and some believe some of the Kurd ancestors migrated north from central and south Zagros mountains

http://vickynairofficial.blogspot.com/2017/12/mystery-of-india-secret-of-elamites.html

https://i.imgflip.com/krst9.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51rb7bCIx8L.jpg

[Zoro]

My guess is that some Neolithic Iranian farmers looked something like the guy because when we look at various statutes and depictions of Elamites which I think were similar to IranianNeolithic farmers their color is depicted as brown and their features resemble some populations in Pakistan and India. Also many believe the Elamites spoke some type of Dravidian language. The location of the Elamites is very close to Kurdish areas and some believe some of the Kurd ancestors migrated north from central and south Zagros mountains

http://vickynairofficial.blogspot.com/2017/12/mystery-of-india-secret-of-elamites.html

This would also explain why many Iraqis especially from central and south look like darker Indians because some Elamites moved into Mesopotamia and some into India

[Negah]

This would also explain why many Iraqis especially from central and south look like darker Indians because some Elamites moved into Mesopotamia and some into India


https://i.imgflip.com/krst9.jpg

[lameduck]

My guess is that some Neolithic Iranian farmers looked something like the guy because when we look at various statutes and depictions of Elamites which I think were similar to IranianNeolithic farmers their color is depicted as brown and their features resemble some populations in Pakistan and India. Also many believe the Elamites spoke some type of Dravidian language. The location of the Elamites is very close to Kurdish areas and some believe some of the Kurd ancestors migrated north from central and south Zagros mountains

http://vickynairofficial.blogspot.com/2017/12/mystery-of-india-secret-of-elamites.html

he can pass as sikh indian but would be very atypical in Pakistan.I have seen some sikhs in Europe with mena type look.

[Zoro]

https://i.imgflip.com/krst9.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51rb7bCIx8L.jpg

I’m also talking about Elamite real statutes you can look them up and see what they look like

[Zoro]

he can pass as sikh indian but would be very atypical in Pakistan.I have seen some sikhs in Europe with mena type look.

Yes exactly now I remember I’ve seen dome Sikhs like that

[Negah]

he can pass as sikh indian but would be very atypical in Pakistan.I have seen some sikhs in Europe with mena type look.

@lame

I am not talking about the guy passing in India and Pakistan. He probably does. I don't care. It is his other comments. Now he is connecting south Iraq to Elamites. and then to India. It is his other comments that are clearly wrong.

[lameduck]

Yes exactly now I remember I’ve seen dome Sikhs like that

also some sikh women I have seen can have this pseudo Med-ish type look as well like nikki haley , Pak Punjabi women can be quite light skinned but they still look Paki/south asian for the most part.

[lameduck]

@lame

I am not talking about the guy passing in India and Pakistan. He probably does. I don't care. It is his other comments. Now he is connecting south Iraq to Elamites. and then to India. It is his other comments that are clearly wrong.

I am not familair with history of iraq region , but alberta is from iraq and he was saying some iraqi arab can look very Pakistani , but it could be just superficial resemblence because of pigmentation.

[Negah]

I am not familair with history of iraq region , but alberta is from iraq and he was saying some iraqi arab can look very Pakistani , but it could be just superficial resemblence because of pigmentation.

@lame

please stop talking about phenotype. I am talking about history and genetics

Please read my initial comment. Why is everybody fixated on the guy and his looks? I don't care about the guy looking Indian or Chinese.

[Negah]

This would also explain why many Iraqis especially from central and south look like darker Indians because some Elamites moved into Mesopotamia and some into India

well, Iranian neolithic farmers brought veddiod to south Asia and made south asians dark. :thumb001:

[Zoro]

My guess is that some Neolithic Iranian farmers looked something like the guy because when we look at various statutes and depictions of Elamites which I think were similar to IranianNeolithic farmers their color is depicted as brown and their features resemble some populations in Pakistan and India. Also many believe the Elamites spoke some type of Dravidian language. The location of the Elamites is very close to Kurdish areas and some believe some of the Kurd ancestors migrated north from central and south Zagros mountains

http://vickynairofficial.blogspot.com/2017/12/mystery-of-india-secret-of-elamites.html


This Mystery of the Elamites is very important because , before the Aryans entered India , The Elamites had entered India . The Elamites branched into two Parts . One that stayed , the Other that conquered most of Central Asia especially Mesopotamia of the ancient times . The Aryan - Dravidian divide which the Manusmriti ( Sanskrit text ) talks about will also start making sense , once we are through with this mystery.

We also know that Iraqis and Pakistanis have Neolithic Iranian farmer ancestry.

[Negah]

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We also know that Iraqis and Pakistanis have Neolithic Iranian farmer ancestry.

Iranian Neolithic Farmers = Veddiod :picard2:

[lameduck]

@lame

please stop talking about phenotype. I am talking about history and genetics

Please read my initial comment. Why is everybody fixated on the guy and his looks? I don't care about the guy looking Indian or Chinese.

okay than you know better, I am not familar with history of the region.

[Kyp]

Iranian Farmers looked like Balochs most likely.

[FinalFlash]

Neolithic Iranian ancestry is prominent in West and Central Asia hence why phenotype overlaps between genetically distant individuals can occur.

[Zoro]

I am not familair with history of iraq region , but alberta is from iraq and he was saying some iraqi arab can look very Pakistani , but it could be just superficial resemblence because of pigmentation.

Case in point. Many of these S. Iraqis would easily pass in Pakistan or parts of India like Gujarat

https://i.imgur.com/JOsNwPN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CO5tuSP.jpg

[Zoro]

Neolithic Iranian ancestry is prominent in West and Central Asia hence why phenotype overlaps between genetically distant individuals can occur.

Exactly

[Negah]

Iranian Farmers looked like Balochs most likely.

Thank you. Which would constitute lighter type in SOuth ASIA.

[Negah]

Exactly

There is no evidence that India and Arabia is dark because if it,

For India, in fact, the contrary is true.

[lameduck]

Case in point. Many of these S. Iraqis would easily pass in Pakistan or parts of India like Gujarat



well you only need to have two eyes , nose and face and certain similar aspects in pigmentation to resemble other human beings to certain degree and get subjective opinions on perception of phenotype but I am talking more about hard facts like genetics and history, can you back links with it?. Though I read about links of IVC/Gandhara with Mesopotamia.

[Zoro]

Kurdish girl can pass in many places from W. Asia east to India

https://i.imgur.com/pww43va.jpg

[Zoro]

well you only need to have two eyes , nose and face and certain similar aspects in pigmentation to resemble other human beings to certain degree and get subjective opinions of perception of phenotype but I am talking more about hard facts like genetics and history, can you back links with it?. Though I read about links of IVC/Gandhara with Mesopotamia.

Yes and the genes control those eyes noses faces and pigmentation

There are a few places online that discuss the Mohenjo Daro seals found in Mesopotamia but this Wikipaedia is pretty helpful

Indus-Mesopotamia relations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus-Mesopotamia_relations

[Negah]

well you only need to have two eyes , nose and face and certain similar aspects in pigmentation to resemble other human beings to certain degree and get subjective opinions on perception of phenotype but I am talking more about hard facts like genetics and history, can you back links with it?. Though I read about links of IVC/Gandhara with Mesopotamia.

if you play that game then we are all connected. India and Mesopotamia recent history of 3000-4000 not much connection.

[Kyp]

Kurdish girl can pass in many places from W. Asia east to India

https://i.imgur.com/pww43va.jpg

Indias genetic history:

Australoid
+Iran_Neo = Dravidian
+ Aryan (Steppe/Iran_Neo)= Indian

Neolithic Iran does not equal Dravidian

[Negah]

Yes and the genes control those eyes noses faces and pigmentation

There are a few places online that discuss the Mohenjo Daro seals found in Mesopotamia but this Wikipaedia is pretty helpful

Indus-Mesopotamia relations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus-Mesopotamia_relations

Please stop this. please prove large population exchange between two regions over the past 4000 years

[Negah]

Indias genetic history:

Australoid
+Iran_Neo = Dravidian
+ Aryan (Steppe/Iran_Neo)= Indian

Neolithic Iran does not equal Dravidian

I think you are the one who understands what I am saying. The rest are not. They keep posting pictures instead of proving with facts.

[Zoro]

Admixture calculators don't tell the whole story because for example if my extended family moves to an isolated location in the world then after 1000 years of genetic drift we will not cluster with other Kurds and make our own cluster ! So then we are not Kurds anymore just because we isolated ourselves ??

[Negah]

Admixture calculators don't tell the whole story because for example if my extended family moves to an isolated location in the world then after 1000 years of genetic drift we will not cluster with other Kurds and make our own cluster ! So then we are not Kurds anymore just because we isolated ourselves ??


Wrong you still do, if the place you left does not mix

[FinalFlash]

Exactly

Exactly

[Zoro]

Wrong you still do, if the place you left does not mix

But according to genetic drift caused by bottlenecks and founder effects even if the place you left don’t mix then you will have 2 different clusters after a couple of thousand years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift

[Negah]

But according to genetic drift caused by bottlenecks and founder effects even if the place you left don’t mix then you will have 2 different clusters after a couple of thousand years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift

I read it and it still does not mean you become different

What is your point? I am not sure what you are trying to prove. I am all ears, please make your point. A

[Zoro]

I read it and it still does not mean you become different

What is your point? I am not sure what you are trying to prove. I am all ears, please make your point. A


Simply that 2 groups can share same gggggg parents but cluster in 2 seperate groups if they have been isolated from each other for a couple of thousand years. That explains why they look the same even if they don’t cluster with each other now

In other words if 2 groups share similar facial features and pigmentation it’s not random or accident it’s because they shared some ancestry otherwise if it was random then many British should look like Indians just like many Iraqis look like Indians

Pigmentation is one thing but when eyes noses and other facial features are similar then it’s not accident or random anymore

[Negah]

Simply that 2 groups can share same gggggg parents but cluster in 2 seperate groups if they have been isolated from each other for a couple of thousand years. That explains why they look the same even if they don’t cluster with each other now

Which are the 2 population groups that you are referring to?

[Kyp]

Simply that 2 groups can share same gggggg parents but cluster in 2 seperate groups if they have been isolated from each other for a couple of thousand years. That explains why they look the same even if they don’t cluster with each other now

In other words if 2 groups share similar facial features and pigmentation it’s not random or accident it’s because they shared some ancestry otherwise if it was random then many British should look like Indians just like many Iraqis look like Indians

Pigmentation is one thing but when eyes noses and other facial features are similar then it’s not accident or random anymore

Okay Kurds and Indians are the same thing. You have it all figured out Sherlock!

[Zoro]

Okay Kurds and Indians are the same thing. You have it all figured out Sherlock!


I wasn’t talking about kurds I was talking about everyone in the region sharing Neolithic Farmer Iranian and specifically Elamites S Iraqis and Indians

[Kyp]

I wasn’t talking about kurds I was talking about everyone in the region sharing Neolithic Farmer Iranian and specifically Elamites S Iraqis and Indians

This is obvious and everyone knows this. But you were deviating about genetic drifts.

[Babak]

This would also explain why many Iraqis especially from central and south look like darker Indians because some Elamites moved into Mesopotamia and some into India

Elamites had nothing to do with Iraqis, Indians or whatever. In fact, Elamites mostly resembled Iranians and Kurds of today.

[Zoro]

Elamites had nothing to do with Iraqis, Indians or whatever. In fact, Elamites mostly resembled Iranians and Kurds of today.


Not disagreeing especially in light of their geographical area but Their area stretched east and west of the Zagros and I have read that they spilled into present day Iraq. I have also read that they spoke Dravidian and were forced to migrate east. Also look at their faces in their statutes

[Kyp]

Not disagreeing especially in light of their geographical area but Their area stretched east and west of the Zagros and I have read that they spilled into present day Iraq. I have also read that they spoke Dravidian and were forced to migrate east. Also look at their faces in their statutes

It could very well be that they spoke a language related to those dravidian languages in India brought in by Neolithic farmers.
Note: Neolithic Iranian farmer ancestry predates "Aryan Invasion" into India. That doesn't mean Elamites were Indian. I don't think Elamites went East. They got sacked & were absorbed by Persians who weren't that different genetically to begin with.

[Negah]

This would also explain why many Iraqis especially from central and south look like darker Indians because some Elamites moved into Mesopotamia and some into India

"many Iraqis especially from central and south look like darker Indians" is about the most bizarre thing I have heard all day. Dark Indians are comparable to Black Africans not any group in West Asia.

I really doubt you are a Kurd because you don't make much sense.

Look South Asians partially have Iranian Neolithic Ancestry but that is just part of their ancestry. And people o different regions can have similarities and share part ancestry.

[Zoro]

Not disagreeing especially in light of their geographical area but Their area stretched east and west of the Zagros and I have read that they spilled into present day Iraq. I have also read that they spoke Dravidian and were forced to migrate east. Also look at their faces in their statutes

They had less steppe and E. Asian and Anatolian farmer than modern kurds and iranians so that would leave them with higher Iran N making them more similar to modern S Iranians SE Iraqis and S Pakistani

[Negah]

Not disagreeing especially in light of their geographical area but Their area stretched east and west of the Zagros and I have read that they spilled into present day Iraq. I have also read that they spoke Dravidian and were forced to migrate east. Also look at their faces in their statutes

Please stop with the statue stuff use science instead. I have seen Afro centrist use them as a proof Elamites were Africans

[Zoro]

"many Iraqis especially from central and south look like darker Indians" is about the most bizarre thing I have heard all day. Dark Indians are comparable to Black Africans not any group in West Asia.

I really doubt you are a Kurd because you don't make much sense.

Look South Asians partially have Iranian Neolithic Ancestry but that is just part of their ancestry. And people o different regions can have similarities and share part ancestry.

Would you like to do a conversation in kurdish with me. I’ll check your answer in 2 hours i have to take of stuff now.

[Negah]

Would you like to do a conversation in kurdish with me. I’ll check your answer in 2 hours i have to take of stuff now.

I don't know care and I don't speak Kurdish. However, you have lost all credibility with me as far as I am concerned with your nonsensical and simpleminded comments.

[Thambi]

they both could pass as south asians imo, especially the girl.

there's another afghan tajik girl I've seen on youtube that looks south asianish.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pv1WovfJho

[Kivan]

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[Demhat]

The guy is one of the specifically Western Iranic type which can be found among some Kurds and Persians who are mostly from or close to Mesopotamia.
This type, in contrast to the more specific Northwest Iranic typ, has physical similarities and overlap to levant Mediterranean types.
The Northwest Iranic type has stronger overlap with Pontic Mediterranean types.


The girl on the other hand looks dolichocephalic Eastern Iranic type but seem to have a little taurized(Armenic) features.



On average the darkest kurds are the Feylis and Kermanshahis but on average Soranis and Kurmanjis are lighter but there are darker ones amongst them too such as some of my relatives and father. With regards to Kurmanjis and Soranis I have noticed the ones on the Iraqi side of the border to be on average darker than those on the Iranian side perhaps due to more levantine or mesopotamian ancestry.

A little bit overexaggerated, there is a very normal North to Southeast transition in pigmentation. But it is within normal variation and not really worth the mentioning.
Also it is usually pigmentation the features are quite similar as the DNA is.

[Demhat]

I don't think you read my comment. I think I wrote it in English, please reread it. I am pretty sure I did not mention the girl or the guy. My comment was about Iranian-Neolithic. My comment was not directed to you at all by the way.

Your initial and Shelatis thoughts were the most on point here imo. The others have been overthinking too much. Iranian_Neolithic people definitely did not have Veddoid features. The populations that have Veddoid features are always predominantly ASI/South Asian by like 70% and more.

Some seem to have a little harder time differentiating between pigmentation and other physical features.




This would also explain why many Iraqis especially from central and south look like darker Indians because some Elamites moved into Mesopotamia and some into India

That is because Iraq has been a melting pot of the Islamic world during Abbasid times and a small minority of Iraqis really have ASI/South Asian and Sub Saharan African DNA. And the kids you posted clealy belong to the Afro-Iraqi community.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Afro+Iraqis&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj2jZO3hoTwAhWngv0HHUieD4gQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Afro+Iraqis&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzoCCABQqZ8BWLqlAWDepgFoAHA AeACAAWOIAf4BkgEBM5gBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=eS96YLbtEqeF9u8PyLy-wAg&bih=597&biw=1242

These people are not Dravidians they are Iraqis of real African ancestry. African DNA mixed with Mesopotamian and Iranian DNA can often create a pseudo South Indian look from my experience.



Elamites had nothing to do with Iraqis, Indians or whatever. In fact, Elamites mostly resembled Iranians and Kurds of today.

I would say Elamites probably resembled Sumerians the most. And an Elamo-Sumerian type of people might have moved into the Indus Valley mixed with the locals and became the Harappa culture.

[Zoro]

That is because Iraq has been a melting pot of the Islamic world during Abbasid times and a small minority of Iraqis really have ASI/South Asian and Sub Saharan African DNA. And the kids you posted clealy belong to the Afro-Iraqi community.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Afro+Iraqis&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj2jZO3hoTwAhWngv0HHUieD4gQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Afro+Iraqis&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECCMQJzoCCABQqZ8BWLqlAWDepgFoAHA AeACAAWOIAf4BkgEBM5gBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=eS96YLbtEqeF9u8PyLy-wAg&bih=597&biw=1242

These people are not Dravidians they are Iraqis of real African ancestry. African DNA mixed with Mesopotamian and Iranian DNA can often create a pseudo South Indian look from my experience.




I would say Elamites probably resembled Sumerians the most. And an Elamo-Sumerian type of people might have moved into the Indus Valley mixed with the locals and became the Harappa culture.


They have straight thick black hair which people with substantial SSA lack. Many S Iraqis score 6-10% S Asian on calculators such as Dodecad k12. Elamites would be closest related to Iran N. We don’t need to guess how they looked because apparently there are still survivors in SW Iran and SE Iraq. Of course you have the S Indian pigmentation. What does this Elamite lady resemble. To me she doesn’t look African



https://i.imgur.com/Cb0aVRV.jpg

[placebo]

both looks arab.

[Demhat]

They have straight thick black hair which people with substantial SSA lack. Many S Iraqis score 6-10% S Asian on calculators such as Dodecad k12. Elamites would be closest related to Iran N. We don’t need to guess how they looked because apparently there are still survivors in SW Iran and SE Iraq. Of course you have the S Indian pigmentation. What does this Elamite lady resemble. To me she doesn’t look African



https://i.imgur.com/Cb0aVRV.jpg



Where did you get the image of a Elamite lady? A culture that died out over 2000 years ago? I am quite convinced this is an artist made Image by some Afro or Indo_Centric guy who also tend to picture Egyptians and often even Assyrians and Mitanni/Medes, Persians as Black.

Bra those South Iraqis and South Iranians who have Black and Dravidian features are real Dravidian and Black sailors and Slaves brought by sailors this is a widely known and accepted fact. Ancient populations of who we know that they are of quite native stock like the Manndeans or even Marsh Arabs (who have absorbed Arabic ancestry to be fair). Do not show any signs of Dravidian features or even DNA.

Indus_Valley Civilization, one of the oldest Civilizations on earth was probably South_Central Indian looking that is true. But the same can't be said about the Elamites or Sumerians.