As a whole, do Dutch people look closer to Walloons or Danes?

[Tooting Carmen]

Let us discuss.

[Jana]

Danes easily. Both are full with brutal and archetypical Germanic faces.

[Tooting Carmen]

Danes easily.

Easily is a bit of an exaggeration, no?

[Jana]

Easily is a bit of an exaggeration, no?

Not really. Both are among tallest Europeans and there are lot of highly depigmented, Cromagnon heavy types (Faelids, Borreby, Nordocromagnids, pure Nordics too to lesser extent)
Walloons are more alpinised, visibly shorter and more brunet with softer and pretty neutral west Euro features.

Dutch and Danes have visibly sharper features, they're more robust, have square jaws and visibly more blondism. Golden blond adults are pretty common in both, unlike among Belgians.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not really. Both are among tallest Europeans and there are lot of highly depigmented, Cromagnon heavy types (Fealids, Borreby, Nordocromagnids, pure Nordics too to lesser extent)
Walloons are more alpinised, visibly shorter and more brunet with softer and pretty neutral west Euro features.

Dutch and Danes have visibly sharper features, they're more robust, have square jaws and visibly more blondism. Golden blond adults are pretty common in both.

I thought Walloons are taller and blonder than other Francophone groups, even if not to the extent of the Dutch?

[Jana]

I thought Walloons are taller and blonder than other Francophone groups, even if not to the extent of the Dutch?

They're not far from Flemish and southern Dutch. Thing with Netherlands is that it has big genetic difference north to south, much more than between Flemings and Walloons in Belgium.
Northern Dutch are basically Scandinavian like and quintessential Germanics along with Danes.

South Dutch are more Germano-Celtic. And people call Belgium artificial state, lol. From genetic point of view it's Netherlands.

[Nassbean]

danes easily ( there is already a difference between flemish people and walloons) flemish and dutch people tend to look more germanic/scandinavian than walloons who are more celtic and close to french people.

[Jana]

danes easily ( there is already a difference between flemish people and walloons) flemish and dutch people tend to look more germanic/scandinavian than walloons who are more celtic and close to french people.

Differences between Flemish and Walloon are exaggerated. They aren't the same but they are close.
Flemish themself have lot of Celtic blood and Walloons have some Germanic, too.

But non-southern Dutch are totally different cathegory- they are pure Germanic.

[Samnium]

They're not far from Flemish and southern Dutch. Thing with Netherlands is that it has big genetic difference north to south, much more than between Flemings and Wallooons in Belgium.
Northern Dutch are basically Scandinavian like and quintessential Germanics along with Danes.

South Dutch are more Germano-Celtic. And people call Belgium artificial state, lol. From genetic point of view it's Netherlands.

Totally agree the big difference is between S.Dutch and N.Dutch.

[Norb]

Danes

[Nassbean]

Differences between Flemish and Walloon are exerregated. They aren't the same but they are close.
Flemish themself have lot of Celtic blood and Walloons have some Germanic, too.

But non-southern Dutch are totally different cathegory- they are pure Germanic.

I live in Belgium...I live in the capital city and my mother lives in the flemish part (+ have some family members who live in wallonia) I know what I'm talking about and in terms of look I can sometimes easily point the difference between the two.

Example these are typical flemish look that you will rarely seen or even not found in wallonia :

https://i.imgur.com/wvrW3Xq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZGO1Xb4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ityvepO.png

example of typical walloon look :

https://i.imgur.com/pHBOkju.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7LJkbal.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Hm74vXb.jpg

[♥ Lily ♥]

Danes.

The Dutch are one of the tallest (if not the tallest) of people in Europe, have good strong bones, and have a lot of hallstatt nordid types. I think the Dutch are phenotypically, culturally, and linguistically closer to Danes.

I've seen some Dutch people who look close to Walloons, but I think a larger percentage of them look closer to Danes.

[FinalFlash]

Danes. Walloons are basically French, no?

[Septentrion]

Let us discuss.

Dude, the Keltic Nordid element is the predominant European Caucasoid racial element in northern Belgium (Flanders) and also the majority element in the Netherlands. Obviously many Walloons are Keltic Nordid though more are Borreby with Alpinid admixtures. In that way, the Dutch as a whole would be closer phenotypically to the Walloons than Danish folk. However, if we separated the North from the South Dutch, then it'd be a different story. The Northern Dutch would be closer to the Danish people, while the Southern Dutch closer to the Flemish and Walloons.

[Tooting Carmen]

Walloons are basically French, no?

But of a more Germanic variety than most, that is the point.

[Tooting Carmen]

I live in Belgium...I live in the capital city and my mother lives in the flemish part (+ have some family members who live in wallonia) I know what I'm talking about and in terms of look I can sometimes easily point the difference between the two.

Example these are typical flemish look that you will rarely seen or even not found in wallonia :

https://i.imgur.com/wvrW3Xq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZGO1Xb4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ityvepO.png

example of typical walloon look :

https://i.imgur.com/pHBOkju.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7LJkbal.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Hm74vXb.jpg

The first two Walloons you posted look Italian, while the third one looks just pan-Western European.

[Septentrion]

Danes.

The Dutch are one of the tallest (if not the tallest) of people in Europe, have good strong bones, and have a lot of hallstatt nordid types. I think the Dutch are phenotypically, culturally, and linguistically closer to Danes.

I've seen some Dutch people who look close to Walloons, but I think a larger percentage of them look closer to Danes.

Belgians are the second tallest people after the Dutch. We are taller than the Danish people too. So your point's ridiculous.
https://www.thebulletin.be/belgian-men-are-second-tallest-world

[♥ Lily ♥]

I mean look at this extremely handsome right-wing liberal Dutch politician Geert Wilders from Limburg in the southernmost province of the Netherlands.

He's 6'4" tall and he's very attractive, dashing, and striking, and although he's a peroxide blond (known as 'Captain Peroxide' and 'Mozart' in the Netherlands,) his thick head of hair and features resembles Wolfgang Mozart - who was also Germanic.

His father was Dutch and his mother was mixed Dutch and Indonesian... but he looks Germanic. I think he looks a lot like Wolfgang Mozart. I think he looks closer to Danes. I usually prefer brunet hair on men, but Geert is an exception as he's special.

Look how tall he is! He looks like a tall Dane.

So cute and adorable... :heartbea: (and the koala is cute and adorable too.)
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/19/12/2D8D88A200000578-0-image-a-4_1445255025738.jpg

With his cat Lola... so adorable (and the cat is nice too.)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B04_fZZIcAEo5Hz.jpg
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2008/03/22/world/europe/22wilders-inline-650.jpg
https://wordfromjerusalem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/geert-wilders.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7AvIbiWsAAkbFb.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED5NBjvWkAIBYbL.jpg
https://www.limitstogrowth.org/ltg-uploads/2015/05/GeertWildersPressConferenceDC415.png
https://gatesofvienna.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/geerttweedekamer6.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Duoh16WWkAAXyo4.jpg
https://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2014/05/geert-wilders-european-elections-2-390x285.jpg
https://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/17/03/o-geert-wilders-facebook.jpg

His natural hair colour is a light brunet.
http://www.eirikronneberg.com/old/geertwilders/Geert-Wilders-jeugdfoto.jpg

[21993]

Danes

[Septentrion]

The first two Walloons you posted look Italian, while the third one looks just pan-Western European.

Rubbish. Walloons are North-West Euros, not Italians. Yes there might be Italian immigrants, but Walloons aren't like them.Stop the lies.
These are good Walloon examples.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BN2A29/belgian-people-young-women-female-students-on-campus-at-the-university-BN2A29.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

I mean look at this extremely handsome right-wing liberal Dutch politician Geert Wilders from Limburg in the southernmost province of the Netherlands.

He's 6'4" tall and he's very dashing and striking, and although he's a peroxide blond (known as 'Captain Peroxide' and 'Mozart' in the Netherlands,) his thick head of hair and features resembles Wolfgang Mozart, who was also Germanic.

His father was Dutch and his mother was mixed Dutch and Indonesian... but he looks Germanic.

Look how tall he is!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/19/12/2D8D88A200000578-0-image-a-4_1445255025738.jpg
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2008/03/22/world/europe/22wilders-inline-650.jpg
https://wordfromjerusalem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/geert-wilders.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7AvIbiWsAAkbFb.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED5NBjvWkAIBYbL.jpg
https://www.limitstogrowth.org/ltg-uploads/2015/05/GeertWildersPressConferenceDC415.png
https://gatesofvienna.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/geerttweedekamer6.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Duoh16WWkAAXyo4.jpg
https://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2014/05/geert-wilders-european-elections-2-390x285.jpg
https://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/17/03/o-geert-wilders-facebook.jpg

His natural hair colour
http://www.eirikronneberg.com/old/geertwilders/Geert-Wilders-jeugdfoto.jpg

Wilders nowadays looks like a more Germanic version of Slobodan Milosevic.

[Tooting Carmen]

Rubbish. Walloons are North-West Euros, not Italians. Yes there might be Italian immigrants, but Walloons aren't like them.Stop the lies.
These are good Walloon examples.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BN2A29/belgian-people-young-women-female-students-on-campus-at-the-university-BN2A29.jpg

Yes I know, but I meant those particular examples Nassbean posted looked Italian to me, not Walloons as a whole. Calm down please.

[♥ Lily ♥]

I see a lot of Hallstatt Nordids in this short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgiDZvYZyMQ

The Dutch generally look like Germanic people (remember not all Germans and Norse people are blond, and there's naturally brunet Germanic people too.) Their robust features and heights look Germanic.

Redhead day / ginger festival celebrations in the Netherlands.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/07/1410106818595_wps_9_epa04389143_People_with_r.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/60/5e/d4605eed0700912d7f6cd794c5cf460c.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ItHE6vg.jpg
https://dutchreview.com/wp-content/uploads/Dutch_football_supporters_20120609_1-1.jpg
https://www.dutchnews.nl/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Oranje-supporters-orange-hockey.png
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1505508531317.png
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/931a50aa-fb6b-4e50-8a70-8bfc516bd2d7/dcnmutc-913375ae-46ae-495f-9a9e-4871a1aacbe0.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_978,q_75,strp/red_hair_map_of_europe__aka_emily_red_hair_zone__b y_trentpage_dcnmutc-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI 1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNh NWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMT g4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7 ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9OTc4IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvOTMxYTUwYW EtZmI2Yi00ZTUwLThhNzAtOGJmYzUxNmJkMmQ3XC9kY25tdXRj LTkxMzM3NWFlLTQ2YWUtNDk1Zi05YTllLTQ4NzFhMWFhY2JlMC 5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46 c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.E5miUjkvQE-puBDcYf1sAB0LW2LByeb3orP3kHjZaIA
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/f1/c1/a0f1c1450888c316e6ee69b98ab87cb0.png

[The Blade]

Danes.

[Rico33]

I live in Belgium...I live in the capital city and my mother lives in the flemish part (+ have some family members who live in wallonia) I know what I'm talking about and in terms of look I can sometimes easily point the difference between the two.

Example these are typical flemish look that you will rarely seen or even not found in wallonia :

https://i.imgur.com/wvrW3Xq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZGO1Xb4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ityvepO.png

example of typical walloon look :

https://i.imgur.com/pHBOkju.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7LJkbal.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Hm74vXb.jpg

Dries Mertens is not Walloon.
You should compare crowds. It is easy to pick out individuals and manipulate the perception of phenotype.

[Rico33]

I mean look at this extremely handsome right-wing liberal Dutch politician Geert Wilders from Limburg in the southernmost province of the Netherlands.

He's 6'4" tall and he's very attractive, dashing, and striking, and although he's a peroxide blond (known as 'Captain Peroxide' and 'Mozart' in the Netherlands,) his thick head of hair and features resembles Wolfgang Mozart - who was also Germanic.

His father was Dutch and his mother was mixed Dutch and Indonesian... but he looks Germanic. I think he looks a lot like Wolfgang Mozart. I think he looks closer to Danes. I usually prefer brunet hair on men, but Geert is an exception as he's special.

Look how tall he is! He looks like a tall Dane.

So cute and adorable... :heartbea: (and the koala is cute and adorable too.)
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/19/12/2D8D88A200000578-0-image-a-4_1445255025738.jpg

With his cat Lola... so adorable (and the cat is nice too.)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B04_fZZIcAEo5Hz.jpg
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2008/03/22/world/europe/22wilders-inline-650.jpg
https://wordfromjerusalem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/geert-wilders.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7AvIbiWsAAkbFb.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED5NBjvWkAIBYbL.jpg
https://www.limitstogrowth.org/ltg-uploads/2015/05/GeertWildersPressConferenceDC415.png
https://gatesofvienna.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/geerttweedekamer6.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Duoh16WWkAAXyo4.jpg
https://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2014/05/geert-wilders-european-elections-2-390x285.jpg
https://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/17/03/o-geert-wilders-facebook.jpg

His natural hair colour is a light brunet.
http://www.eirikronneberg.com/old/geertwilders/Geert-Wilders-jeugdfoto.jpg

The admixture made him look Belgian.

[Östsvensk]

Dutch people look very similar to Scandinavians overall.

Growing up in Sweden, people told their children folklores about whenever someone had brown eyes or hair, it was attributed to having Walloon ancestry from those who came to Sweden as iron workers in the 17th century. It was almost a little like the Swedish equivalent of folklores about Native American roots in the US.

[Nassbean]

Dries Mertens is not Walloon.
You should compare crowds. It is easy to pick out individuals and manipulate the perception of phenotype.

You misunderstood i used those pics to show that there are some specific look attached to the two regions and where did you see that he's not walloon?

[Rico33]

You misunderstood i used those pics to show that there are some specific look attached to the two regions and where did you see that he's not walloon?

Flemish surname and born in Leuven. Maybe you just thinks he looks that way, even Eden Hazard who is part North African looks more 'Nordic'.

[Nassbean]

Flemish surname and born in Leuven. Maybe you just thinks he looks that way, even Eden Hazard who is part North African looks more 'Nordic'.

Yes in this case i made a little mistake

[Faklon]

I haven't studied the area, however I have been following Max Verstappen and I was kinda shocked at how much more pigmented his Belgian mother is in comparison to his Dutch father.

Mother

https://images4.persgroep.net/rcs/BdhWCuzuSnBtaEDDjmjrKN_XmXk/diocontent/75492981/_crop/0/0/1000/1544/_fitwidth/763?appId=2dc96dd3f167e919913d808324cbfeb2&quality=0.8

Father(right)

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/Y97a8rZ0/s8/f1-french-gp-1998-jos-verstappen-stewart-ford-and-jackie-stewart.jpg

This could be a case of extremes of course, I don't even know if this lady is Walloon.

[Rico33]

I haven't studied the area, however I have been following Max Verstappen and I was kinda shocked at how much more pigmented his Belgian mother is in comparison to his Dutch father.

Mother

https://images4.persgroep.net/rcs/BdhWCuzuSnBtaEDDjmjrKN_XmXk/diocontent/75492981/_crop/0/0/1000/1544/_fitwidth/763?appId=2dc96dd3f167e919913d808324cbfeb2&quality=0.8

Father(right)

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/Y97a8rZ0/s8/f1-french-gp-1998-jos-verstappen-stewart-ford-and-jackie-stewart.jpg

This could be a case of extremes of course, I don't even know if this lady is Walloon.

The mom looks like Flemish actress Bieke Ilegems. Same 'woggy' phenotype.

[Faklon]

The mom looks like Flemish actress Bieke Ilegems. Same 'woggy' phenotype.

Kinda yes, both don't look what a Southern Euro stereotypes as Germanic.

[Rico33]

Kinda yes, both don't look what a Southern Euro stereotypes as Germanic.

It is not Southern European, really. I have been told that it more likely to be an influence from around the black sea somewhere in history.

[JamesBond007]

I live in Belgium...I live in the capital city and my mother lives in the flemish part (+ have some family members who live in wallonia) I know what I'm talking about and in terms of look I can sometimes easily point the difference between the two.

Example these are typical flemish look that you will rarely seen or even not found in wallonia :

https://i.imgur.com/wvrW3Xq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZGO1Xb4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ityvepO.png

example of typical walloon look :

https://i.imgur.com/pHBOkju.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7LJkbal.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Hm74vXb.jpg


This is a typical walloon look (Borreby + Alpine) I look similar being Brunn, Faelid, alpine/dinaric that comes off as kind of an atlantid vibe. On G25 2-way Oracle I get half Belgian and half Scottish late Bronze Age as my closest fit and when I post my picture here people say I look Belgian, French, Iberian in that order :

https://www.go2war2.nl/artikel-afb/1723151013202947g.jpg



https://i.pinimg.com/736x/be/f8/31/bef831c3e035162ac33e150c44ff8b4b.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQDtOJAEER4&list=RDeQDtOJAEER4&start_radio=1

https://web.archive.org/web/20190318124553im_/http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Others-AnimatedForeskinner.gif

[Rico33]

This is a typical walloon look (Borreby + Alpine) I look similar being Brunn, Faelid, alpine/dinaric that comes off as kind of an atlantid vibe. On G25 2-way Oracle I get half Belgian and half Scottish late Bronze Age as my closest fit and when I post my picture here people say I look Belgian, French, Iberian in that order :

https://www.go2war2.nl/artikel-afb/1723151013202947g.jpg



https://i.pinimg.com/736x/be/f8/31/bef831c3e035162ac33e150c44ff8b4b.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQDtOJAEER4&list=RDeQDtOJAEER4&start_radio=1

https://web.archive.org/web/20190318124553im_/http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Others-AnimatedForeskinner.gif

Why would you compare yourself to a nazi? There are plenty of other examples that aren't nazi.
Is it some sort of 'manly' anti-beta-male 'look at me being politically incorrect and therefore thinking for myself' kinda thing?
Those two pictures show people with Mongoloid influence, by the way. Huns?

[Faklon]

It is not Southern European, really. I have been told that it more likely to be an influence from around the black sea somewhere in history.

I didn't say that it is Southern European, Black sea or some very tanned Celtic alpine element, I said that my first guess as a Southern European wouldn't be Germanic.

Looks pretty much alpinoid in these rather normal pictures.

http://img5.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/y/4/y4mag72d6n50ga2y.jpg?djet1p5k

https://deadorkicking.com/wp-content/uploads/featured-img/s/sophie-kumpen.jpg

Post this distorded one and people may even take her for MENA.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/12/17/13406234-7020547-image-a-118_1557677110273.jpg

My exprerience with Dutch people is that they are pretty blondish, my experience with Belgium pretty much ends in the film "In Bruges". If they look like Central-Northern French they certainly come in more shades including the more depigmented ones.

[Rico33]

I didn't say that it is Southern European, Black sea or some very tanned Celtic alpine element, I said that my first guess as a Southern European wouldn't be Germanic.

Looks pretty much alpinoid in these rather normal pictures.

http://img5.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/y/4/y4mag72d6n50ga2y.jpg?djet1p5k

https://deadorkicking.com/wp-content/uploads/featured-img/s/sophie-kumpen.jpg

Post this distorded one and people may even take her for MENA.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/12/17/13406234-7020547-image-a-118_1557677110273.jpg

My exprerience with Dutch people is that they are pretty blondish, my experience with Belgium pretty much ends in the film "In Bruges". If they look like Central-Northern French they certainly come in more shades including the more depigmented ones.

Like eastern French but taller and more lighter hair on average. Similar faces and ratio in body proportions and skulls.

[Septentrion]

Yes I know, but I meant those particular examples Nassbean posted looked Italian to me, not Walloons as a whole. Calm down please.

I will calm down, if you tell the truth!

[The Lawspeaker]

They're not far from Flemish and southern Dutch. Thing with Netherlands is that it has big genetic difference north to south, much more than between Flemings and Walloons in Belgium.
Northern Dutch are basically Scandinavian like and quintessential Germanics along with Danes.

South Dutch are more Germano-Celtic. And people call Belgium artificial state, lol. From genetic point of view it's Netherlands.

Not just from a genetic point of view. Cultural too. Linguistically even as the even the rump state (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic) had Middle Dutch dialects who were so different (because they were either Hollandic, Frisian, Low Saxon or Franconic) that people couldn't understand each other. This is why there was such a move towards Hollandisation which, linguistically, began with the publication of the official (Hollandic-based) States Bible (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statenvertaling). It's essentially a rump state of an attempted state that were a bunch of Middle Dutch and French dialect speaking cities and regions under French speaking nobles that rose up against a King. Not a state. Even during the 1610s, the cities along the IJssel considered joining the HRE because their dialects and their traditions were so different from the West (who was attempting to take over everything). The fact that this state survived is purely down to two men: Johan van Oldenbarnevelt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_van_Oldenbarnevelt) who pretty much used his influence to set the laws and treaties that bound us together (except the Generality Lands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generality_Lands) which were Catholic and just occupied and sucked dry for centuries to come) and Maurice, the Prince of Orange (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice,_Prince_of_Orange) who did the conquering.

In fact you see that process reflected in our very name: we were once known as de Nederlanden (the English are the ones who get it right: the Netherlands - in plural), but during the 19th century there was a move towards a singular term "Nederland" (although, still officially, it's called het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden) because this was during a period of overpowering centralisation by Holland (something we still deal with today).

[Tchek]

Yes in this case i made a little mistake
Dries Mertens is indeed Flemish. Also Joelle Milquet, the woman you posted is actually Spanish, her father changed his name from "Milguez".

[Tchek]

South Dutch are more Germano-Celtic. And people call Belgium artificial state, lol. From genetic point of view it's Netherlands.


However, if we separated the North from the South Dutch, then it'd be a different story. The Northern Dutch would be closer to the Danish people, while the Southern Dutch closer to the Flemish and Walloons.

Pretty much. South of the Rhine (southern Netherlands+Belgium) the looks are very varied; North of the Rhine, the Dutch look very Nordic, closer to Dane.

[Septentrion]

Danes.

The Dutch are one of the tallest (if not the tallest) of people in Europe, have good strong bones, and have a lot of hallstatt nordid types. I think the Dutch are phenotypically, culturally, and linguistically closer to Danes.

I've seen some Dutch people who look close to Walloons, but I think a larger percentage of them look closer to Danes.

I am 197cm tall (6’6) barefoot and 125kg. When I go to the Netherlands, I don’t feel small, OK. In America where I learned to speak English properly, people thought I was some wrestler or a bouncer. I don’t think I have ever been to Denmark, but I did go to Stockholm, Sweden ( definitely not short there).

[Rico33]

I am 197cm tall (6’6) barefoot and 125kg. When I go to the Netherlands, I don’t feel small, OK. In America where I learned to speak English properly, people thought I was some wrestler or a bouncer. I don’t think I have ever been to Denmark, but I did go to Stockholm, Sweden ( definitely not short there).

If you are that tall you can't be average in phenotype here.

[Voskos]

Danes.

[Hulu]

Gert Wilders is creepy af.

[aherne]

These are good Walloon examples.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BN2A29/belgian-people-young-women-female-students-on-campus-at-the-university-BN2A29.jpg

They look extremely Keltic (and largely "Indo-European"): the archetypal French and Irish look. Note how all are brown haired as adults but generally light eyed...

[chociprasa]

Most look closer to Danes, except for maybe the ones in Brabant.

[Septentrion]

They look extremely Keltic (and largely "Indo-European"): the archetypal French and Irish look. Note how all are brown haired as adults but generally light eyed...

Walloons are as a whole lighter than the French.

[Septentrion]

If you are that tall you can't be average in phenotype here.

I know I am not average in height. However, I am trying to make a point that Belgians aren't that different from the Dutch. In terms of male height, our country comes second in the world after the Netherlands. Thibault Courtois from Bree (Flanders) the best goalkeeper in the world at the moment, is also one of the tallest goalkeepers in the world at 199cm. We are about the same height. My brothers are around the same height as I am. One of them is 200cm.

[Redmar]

70% look more Danish and 30% more Walloon.

[JamesBond007]

Totally agree the big difference is between S.Dutch and N.Dutch.

You guys act like there is no central Dutch to bridge the gap. What about Gelderland etc...?

[Redmar]

You guys act like there is no central Dutch to bridge the gap. What about Gelderland etc...?

Central Dutch is dragged towards Northern in reality. It's obviously between both but definitely quite Northern shifted.

[Tchek]

https://i.ibb.co/JFvZvb6/nmmm.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/vJBcLyq/nllll.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZYWj81q/1665.jpg
What do the above people look like?

[Septentrion]

Danes easily. Both are full with brutal and archetypical Germanic faces.

The Dutch are overall more Germanic than the Danes and other Scandinavian people.

[Septentrion]

Let us discuss.


I’d say Danes, but remember in both Denmark and Wallonia, it is the Borreby phenotype which makes up the major racial element. Slight differences in admixture, Dalofaelid and East Baltid in Denmark and West Alpine and Subnordid in Wallonia.

[Septentrion]

Denmark is more blonde and blue - eyed than the Netherlands. Although the ethnic Dutch are the blondest, bluest - eyed group in Western Europe.

[Septentrion]

Not really. Both are among tallest Europeans and there are lot of highly depigmented, Cromagnon heavy types (Faelids, Borreby, Nordocromagnids, pure Nordics too to lesser extent)
Walloons are more alpinised, visibly shorter and more brunet with softer and pretty neutral west Euro features.

Dutch and Danes have visibly sharper features, they're more robust, have square jaws and visibly more blondism. Golden blond adults are pretty common in both, unlike among Belgians.

What? Walloons are much more CM than the Dutch! The Dutch are not more robust, rather less stockier and more Nordid - looking. Remember, Belgians have the largest head size in continental Europe outside of Ireland, a perfect characteristic of the Cromagnid types ( large head size).

[Jana]

The Dutch are overall more Germanic than the Danes and other Scandinavian people.

No they are not.

[Oliver109]

https://i.ibb.co/JFvZvb6/nmmm.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/vJBcLyq/nllll.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZYWj81q/1665.jpg
What do the above people look like?

Walloons? they look north-central Euro

[Roy]

You guys act like there is no central Dutch to bridge the gap. What about Gelderland etc...?

Apparently the main difference is between those living south and north of the river Reine hence no additional distinction.

[Roy]

Walloons? they look north-central Euro

The first picture is probably the Dutch. I don't think it would be easy to find Walloon kids this light, they are lighter than random Polish kids of their age.

[Roy]

I answered both in equal measure, I am in a tiny minority as I see from the poll.

[Oliver109]

The first picture is probably the Dutch. I don't think it would be easy to find Walloon kids this light, they are lighter than random Polish kids of their age.

I searched the picture online and the teens in the last pic are from Wallonia, they are i think less pale than the Dutch and seem to strongly resemble southern Germans.

[Jana]

What's the point of posting children? They are much lighter than adults in every European country.

[Roy]

What's the point of posting children? They are much lighter than adults in every European country.

Obviously, but one can consider this asterisk and compare to children from other countries for instance.

[Septentrion]

No they are not.

Yes they are! The Dutch are the most Germanic people in the world!

[Jana]

Yes they are! The Dutch are the most Germanic people in the world!

No. South Dutch have lot of Celtic ancestry, unlike Danes for example.

[Redmar]

No. South Dutch have lot of Celtic ancestry, unlike Danes for example.

Celtic ancestry in South Dutch is overhyped a bit. Actual Celtic ancestry no more than 30% which is a lot compared to Danes but they are predominantly Germanic.

[Redmar]

Dutch people up until Moerdijk are mostly descended of Frankish tribesmen that incorporated a few Celtic tribes and Germanic tribes like the Cananefates.

[Creoda]

Celtic ancestry in South Dutch is overhyped a bit. Actual Celtic ancestry no more than 30% which is a lot compared to Danes but they are predominantly Germanic.
South Dutch are too southern shifted to be 70% Germanic (unless it's from Roman influence, which is more unlikely). That's more like the figure for Central/North Dutch.

[Redmar]

South Dutch are too southern shifted to be 70% Germanic (unless it's from Roman influence, which is more unlikely). That's more like the figure for Central/North Dutch.

Northern Dutch are like 95-100% Germanic. Central Dutch tend to be around 80% so it's not that unlikely. You will have a few areas which drop to 60-65% Germanic in Limburg but 70% is pretty accurate.

[Creoda]

Northern Dutch are like 95-100% Germanic. Central Dutch tend to be around 80% so it's not that unlikely. You will have a few areas which drop to 60-65% Germanic in Limburg but 70% is pretty accurate.
Are you basing that on Y-DNA? Cause I'm talking about autosomal (overall) ancestry. South Dutch are genetically closer to Northern French than to Danes on average, hard to see how they're much more than 50% Germanic, if that. Celtic influence there is clearly massive, as it is everywhere below the Rhine.

[Redmar]

Are you basing that on Y-DNA? Cause I'm talking about autosomal (overall) ancestry. South Dutch are genetically closer to Northern French than to Danes on average, hard to see how they're much more than 50% Germanic, if that. Celtic influence there is clearly massive, as it is everywhere below the Rhine.

Southern Dutch and Flemish are the most closely related, than Walloons, West Germans and at last Northern French who are themselves 50% Germanic at best according to autosomal dna. You have to understand though that the difference between Walloon and Northern France is visible let alone Flanders and Northern France.

[Septentrion]

Are you basing that on Y-DNA? Cause I'm talking about autosomal (overall) ancestry. South Dutch are genetically closer to Northern French than to Danes on average, hard to see how they're much more than 50% Germanic, if that. Celtic influence there is clearly massive, as it is everywhere below the Rhine.

Yes, it is true that the Southern Dutch is genetically to Northern French, they are more southern - shifted than all the British groups. It doesn’t necessarily mean it is only Celtic influence, as Northern French are the most Germanic people of France.

[Creoda]

Yes, it is true that the Southern Dutch is genetically to Northern French, they are more southern - shifted than all the British groups. It doesn’t necessarily mean it is only Celtic influence, as Northern French are the most Germanic people of France.
South/West of the Rhine (South Dutch, Belgians, West Germans, North French) is fundamentally a Celto-Germanic mixture. Above the Rhine is fundamentally Germanic, although I believe Holland is a bit of melting pot. England is also Celto-Germanic but with extra British Beaker ancestry that makes them more Northern than the South Dutch/Flemish. Central/North Dutch must also have some Celticised Beaker ancestry rather than true Celtic, as they're Western shifted towards Insular Celts, rather than Southern shifted towards Continental Celts/French etc.

[XenophobicPrussian]

I find Walloons extremely hard to find pictures of, it's like they're almost a non-existent ethnicity(same with Flemish). Their sports are dominated by minorities, Spaniards, Italians, and overall they just don't seem to participate on the world stage or even EU stage. Nonetheless, of the pictures I did find, certainly nothing close to the CM/Borreby paradise half-Russian weirdo Septenrion makes them out to be. Nothing even close to approaching a Dutchman like Semmy Schilt.


https://c8.alamy.com/comp/HNK27W/belgium-carnaval-of-binche-unesco-world-heritage-parade-festival-belgium-HNK27W.jpg
(textbook Alpine btw)
https://fromalaskatochina.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/kroati1.jpg

https://dailystar.com.lb/dailystar/Pictures/2016/10/25/566471_img650x420_img650x420_crop.jpg

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/30414770_2159015314329438_4667236047397060608_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=iqJjkxRUoA4AX-oZBhC&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=dfa193cb19ef5bb24e7827779504c7ed&oe=60B25E72

https://www.missbelgium.be/front/public/upload/attach-image/hainaut-kevin-swijsen-3-1.JPG
(from Hainaut only, not all of Belgium)

https://static.workaway.info/gfx/foto/4/5/8/3/7/458379549795/xl/458379549795_144693986502529.jpg

https://www.foei.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/FoE-Wallonia610x290-610x259.jpg

https://img.17qq.com/images/fhhsfgwhqky.jpeg

https://tce-live2.s3.amazonaws.com/media/media/b3785755-8619-4c98-a0d1-9f8b949e5f75.jpg

https://scontent.fykz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/88129997_114736123454541_567384253751361536_n.jpg? _nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=wYD5Y2XuHv0AX-EY1mL&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-2.fna&oh=cca3aa82273a4bf5aab2cb8b1950d4bb&oe=60B1A7D2

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BN25G3/belgian-students-campus-university-of-mons-hainaut-mons-belgium-europe-BN25G3.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BP5BDC/belgian-people-young-men-and-women-male-female-students-on-campus-BP5BDC.jpg

https://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/185077/french-2.jpg

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/1073336_382582931863958_202956205_o.jpg?_nc_cat=10 5&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=VyshW-OUF0oAX-trMWs&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=ab494709deb24aab6468b8b63319c006&oe=60B2C6CB

https://scontent.fykz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/1073336_382582935197291_384122358_o.jpg?_nc_cat=11 0&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=o8U020dbcZ8AX9ZIVnr&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-2.fna&oh=682ebf592c5d2f6065792963c932a5c0&oe=60B2C5F7

https://scontent.fykz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/1077322_382583908530527_79805746_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=RvJX_uPypXoAX-LZ5wb&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-2.fna&oh=89e6f5a7d0e3991adf82a6a82e1b165b&oe=60B10A4C

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/1077322_382583918530526_1077384702_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1 05&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=fY0yadwp098AX9sg2Q_&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=0ee6d9e9ddffaa126f5474f37421ae46&oe=60B0301A
(Sept probably thinks guy on the right is a Borreby)

https://scontent.fykz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/977226_382587661863485_39933678_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=sYJnalQ3bQcAX8fHl7G&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-2.fna&oh=cd87a9db5f7a374f6a38bd2c92899294&oe=60B1027E

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/977226_382587665196818_415518458_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=8NkGCHtksKYAX8iLuOs&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=a43daa8ea5bbc215a97da149007246ec&oe=60B1A759

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/977226_382587668530151_2139938987_o.jpg?_nc_cat=10 3&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=clFomE7ddrYAX-uxeKk&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=e3ad1f5a74f70b7152043960cdb82aca&oe=60B0CF4E

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/977226_382587671863484_511692719_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=LmXL-iimeGkAX_eBJMv&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=456c412a4021012e5efd78a27ff4ae13&oe=60B2DAD0

[XenophobicPrussian]

South/West of the Rhine (South Dutch, Belgians, West Germans, North French) is fundamentally a Celto-Germanic mixture. Above the Rhine is fundamentally Germanic, although I believe Holland is a bit of melting pot. England is also Celto-Germanic but with extra British Beaker ancestry that makes them more Northern than the South Dutch/Flemish. Central/North Dutch must also have some Celticised Beaker ancestry rather than true Celtic, as they're Western shifted towards Insular Celts, rather than Southern shifted towards Continental Celts/French etc.
It shows up in linguistics too.

https://fromalaskatochina.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/patatvsfriet.jpg?w=300&h=300

When I was doing my pigmentation study, the largest difference I noticed in the Dutch was south of the Rhine and north of the Rhine. You can see here, Utrecht is just ontop of Noord Brabant and Limburg geographically, but north of the Rhine, and much more northern shifted. Holland does seem more mixed as you suspected.

https://i.postimg.cc/L6vf7Fsj/Bez-nazwy-3.png

[Septentrion]

I find Walloons extremely hard to find pictures of, it's like they're almost a non-existent ethnicity(same with Flemish). Their sports are dominated by minorities, Spaniards, Italians, and overall they just don't seem to participate on the world stage or even EU stage. Nonetheless, of the pictures I did find, certainly nothing close to the CM/Borreby paradise half-Russian weirdo Septenrion makes them out to be. Nothing even close to approaching a Dutchman like Semmy Schilt.


https://c8.alamy.com/comp/HNK27W/belgium-carnaval-of-binche-unesco-world-heritage-parade-festival-belgium-HNK27W.jpg
(textbook Alpine btw)
https://fromalaskatochina.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/kroati1.jpg

https://dailystar.com.lb/dailystar/Pictures/2016/10/25/566471_img650x420_img650x420_crop.jpg

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/30414770_2159015314329438_4667236047397060608_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=iqJjkxRUoA4AX-oZBhC&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=dfa193cb19ef5bb24e7827779504c7ed&oe=60B25E72

https://www.missbelgium.be/front/public/upload/attach-image/hainaut-kevin-swijsen-3-1.JPG
(from Hainaut only, not all of Belgium)

https://static.workaway.info/gfx/foto/4/5/8/3/7/458379549795/xl/458379549795_144693986502529.jpg

https://www.foei.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/FoE-Wallonia610x290-610x259.jpg

https://img.17qq.com/images/fhhsfgwhqky.jpeg

https://tce-live2.s3.amazonaws.com/media/media/b3785755-8619-4c98-a0d1-9f8b949e5f75.jpg

https://scontent.fykz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/88129997_114736123454541_567384253751361536_n.jpg? _nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=wYD5Y2XuHv0AX-EY1mL&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-2.fna&oh=cca3aa82273a4bf5aab2cb8b1950d4bb&oe=60B1A7D2

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BN25G3/belgian-students-campus-university-of-mons-hainaut-mons-belgium-europe-BN25G3.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BP5BDC/belgian-people-young-men-and-women-male-female-students-on-campus-BP5BDC.jpg

https://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/185077/french-2.jpg

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/1073336_382582931863958_202956205_o.jpg?_nc_cat=10 5&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=VyshW-OUF0oAX-trMWs&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=ab494709deb24aab6468b8b63319c006&oe=60B2C6CB

https://scontent.fykz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/1073336_382582935197291_384122358_o.jpg?_nc_cat=11 0&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=o8U020dbcZ8AX9ZIVnr&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-2.fna&oh=682ebf592c5d2f6065792963c932a5c0&oe=60B2C5F7

https://scontent.fykz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/1077322_382583908530527_79805746_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=RvJX_uPypXoAX-LZ5wb&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-2.fna&oh=89e6f5a7d0e3991adf82a6a82e1b165b&oe=60B10A4C

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/1077322_382583918530526_1077384702_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1 05&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=fY0yadwp098AX9sg2Q_&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=0ee6d9e9ddffaa126f5474f37421ae46&oe=60B0301A
(Sept probably thinks guy on the right is a Borreby)

https://scontent.fykz1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/977226_382587661863485_39933678_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=sYJnalQ3bQcAX8fHl7G&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-2.fna&oh=cd87a9db5f7a374f6a38bd2c92899294&oe=60B1027E

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/977226_382587665196818_415518458_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=8NkGCHtksKYAX8iLuOs&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=a43daa8ea5bbc215a97da149007246ec&oe=60B1A759

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/977226_382587668530151_2139938987_o.jpg?_nc_cat=10 3&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=clFomE7ddrYAX-uxeKk&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=e3ad1f5a74f70b7152043960cdb82aca&oe=60B0CF4E

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/977226_382587671863484_511692719_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=LmXL-iimeGkAX_eBJMv&_nc_ht=scontent.fykz1-1.fna&oh=456c412a4021012e5efd78a27ff4ae13&oe=60B2DAD0


Oh please! You don’t know anything, stop spewing garbage. If I’m half Russian then you are half Eskimo!

[Septentrion]

Southern Dutch and Flemish are the most closely related, than Walloons, West Germans and at last Northern French who are themselves 50% Germanic at best according to autosomal dna. You have to understand though that the difference between Walloon and Northern France is visible let alone Flanders and Northern France.

Belgians and French people from Nord - Pas - de - Calais are 40% - 45% Germanic genetically.

[Jana]

related topic

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?345989-How-Celtic-are-north-Dutch-and-NW-Germans

[Tchek]

I find Walloons extremely hard to find pictures of, it's like they're almost a non-existent ethnicity(same with Flemish). Their sports are dominated by minorities, Spaniards, Italians, and overall they just don't seem to participate on the world stage or even EU stage. Nonetheless, of the pictures I did find, certainly nothing close to the CM/Borreby paradise half-Russian weirdo Septenrion makes them out to be. Nothing even close to approaching a Dutchman like Semmy Schilt.
Pictures of Walloons are hard to find because in Wallonia it's hard to find someone who is 100% without influence from somewhere else (italian, flemish, polish...), in that case it is similar to France. However, the pictures I posted of people from page 6 are all Walloons, specifically place I know without foreigners.
The pictures you provided are very mixed, and francophone belgians who participate in club culture are more often than not of Italian descent so it's hard to take a picture of a club scene to have an idea... and Italian descended people are the majority in Hainaut. Also absolutely no one ever said that Belgians look like Semmy Schilt. Only the Dutch look like that.
And yes, fundamentally, there is nothing such as a "Walloon" ethnicity, but just part of the continuum of the countries around, with strong provincial differences; with "pure" people few and far between as the natality of the region fell strongly during the 19th century (same as in parts of France) which was compensated by external immigrations (flemish and italian first).

[Dandelion]

One of the most controversial Dutch, Thierry Baudet, has roots in Hainaut. He's a descendent of a Walloon who migrated to the Dutch Republic from the Austrian Netherlands. Not really a period in history when Walloons moved to there.

Also interestingly, the province of Hainaut has a flag/emblem with two Flemish and two Hollandic lions due to having been under a duke who ruled over Holland, Hainaut and Flanders. Not that they ever were in the same country. ;) Anecdotal irrelevant info.

EDIT: Pierre Joseph Baudet emigrated to the Batavian Republic in 1795. Hainaut was integrated into Napoleonic France at the time. That makes more sense.

[Redmar]

One of the most controversial Dutch, Thierry Baudet, has roots in Hainaut. He's a descendent of a Walloon who migrated to the Dutch Republic from the Austrian Netherlands. Not really a period in history when Walloons moved to there.

He's also known to have Indonesian roots like another controversial politician Geert Wilders. Apparently there is some correlation there ;)

[Oliver109]

Pictures of Walloons are hard to find because in Wallonia it's hard to find someone who is 100% without influence from somewhere else (italian, flemish, polish...), in that case it is similar to France. However, the pictures I posted of people from page 6 are all Walloons, specifically place I know without foreigners.
The pictures you provided are very mixed, and francophone belgians who participate in club culture are more often than not of Italian descent so it's hard to take a picture of a club scene to have an idea... and Italian descended people are the majority in Hainaut. Also absolutely no one ever said that Belgians look like Semmy Schilt. Only the Dutch look like that.
And yes, fundamentally, there is nothing such as a "Walloon" ethnicity, but just part of the continuum of the countries around, with strong provincial differences; with "pure" people few and far between as the natality of the region fell strongly during the 19th century (same as in parts of France) which was compensated by external immigrations (flemish and italian first).

I think that is more in the industrial areas, i found some relatively "pure" Walloons in more rural towns in schools and colleges and in general they look similar to the Flemish but with less really blonde hair(though still quite fair haired in general)

[XenophobicPrussian]

Pictures of Walloons are hard to find because in Wallonia it's hard to find someone who is 100% without influence from somewhere else (italian, flemish, polish...), in that case it is similar to France. However, the pictures I posted of people from page 6 are all Walloons, specifically place I know without foreigners.
The pictures you provided are very mixed, and francophone belgians who participate in club culture are more often than not of Italian descent so it's hard to take a picture of a club scene to have an idea... and Italian descended people are the majority in Hainaut. Also absolutely no one ever said that Belgians look like Semmy Schilt. Only the Dutch look like that.
And yes, fundamentally, there is nothing such as a "Walloon" ethnicity, but just part of the continuum of the countries around, with strong provincial differences; with "pure" people few and far between as the natality of the region fell strongly during the 19th century (same as in parts of France) which was compensated by external immigrations (flemish and italian first).
Septenrion did. He implied so, anyway.

I agree Belgium will have a lot of foreign ancestry, but I highly, highly doubt the majority of Hainaut people have partial Italian descent lol. Belgium has been among the top 3 prosperous areas of Europe for the last 700 years now, so it's easy to see why they attracted a lot Italian, Spanish immigrants, etc. It's a shame really.

[tipirneni]

https://www.thehockeypaper.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/dutch-hockey.jpg
avg Dutch looks German and some CM show up and some of them Wallons like. On avg they lack the Scandinavian Neolithic and Viking looks that Danes have

[tipirneni]

My own kit matches Danes, Wallons but not Dutch shows Dutch don't have some kind of Neolithic & Chalcolithic genome vs. Danes and Wallons

[Dandelion]

Tchek is a rare Wallon de souche, or rather Liégeois de souche, though that term doesn't get used in Belgium.

[Redmar]

My own kit matches Danes, Wallons but not Dutch shows Dutch don't have some kind of Neolithic & Chalcolithic genome vs. Danes and Wallons

They have obviously less CM than Danes since most Dutch will be some kind of Nordid with a bit of CM instead of vice versa generally. Though CM admixture is within 40-50% of the population Danes are like 70-80% CM.

[Oliver109]

They have obviously less CM than Danes since most Dutch will be some kind of Nordid with a bit of CM instead of vice versa generally. Though CM admixture is within 40-50% of the population Danes are like 70-80% CM.

That is interesting, always thought they were much the same in terms of CM, Jutland was said to be a major Hallstatt Nordic refuge while the islands are supposed to be very Borreby, the Netherlands seems a mixed bag.

[Redmar]

That is interesting, always thought they were much the same in terms of CM, Jutland was said to be a major Hallstatt Nordic refuge while the islands are supposed to be very Borreby, the Netherlands seems a mixed bag.

Danes are very rugged and robust together with Norwegians, Icelanders and Irishmen, although they are shorter than the Dutch. Borrebies are the majority component in Jutland. Denmark has a large presence of Faelids too and a few Anglo-Saxons. The Hallstatt Nordid presence is overlooked probably marginally higher compared to NL.

[Septentrion]

They have obviously less CM than Danes since most Dutch will be some kind of Nordid with a bit of CM instead of vice versa generally. Though CM admixture is within 40-50% of the population Danes are like 70-80% CM.

Yes, the Dutch are predominantly a Nordid population with about 30% CM.

[Oliver109]

Danes are very rugged and robust together with Norwegians, Icelanders and Irishmen, although they are shorter than the Dutch. Borrebies are the majority component in Jutland. Denmark has a large presence of Faelids too and a few Anglo-Saxons. The Hallstatt Nordid presence is overlooked probably marginally higher compared to NL.

Sounds right, take it you have been to Denmark quite a lot?

[Redmar]

Yes, the Dutch are predominantly a Nordid population with about 30% CM.

The biggest element is Keltic-Nordid but don't underestimate the presence of Borrebies and Faelids which are combined 40-45% of the population. Although most Dutch CM's are generally Nordo-Cromagnid with a predominant CM admixture.

[Redmar]

Sounds right, take it you have been to Denmark quite a lot?

Yeah, mostly Western Denmark which I can get to by boat. There's a city called Esbjerg which is a pretty nice place.

[Davystayn]

The biggest element is Keltic-Nordid but don't underestimate the presence of Borrebies and Faelids which are combined 40-45% of the population. Although most Dutch CM's are generally Nordo-Cromagnid with a predominant CM admixture.

Interesting as often associate Danes with the borreby type, Dutch with more long faced nordid/KN look, yet both are hyper Germanic.

Dirk Kuyt always seemed to be the uber Dutch stereotype to me, Rutger Hauer too of course

[Redmar]

Interesting as often associate Danes with the borreby type, Dutch with more long faced nordid/KN look, yet both are hyper Germanic.

Dirk Kuyt always seemed to be the uber Dutch stereotype to me, Rutger Hauer too of course

Dirk Kuyt is Troender with more pronounced CM and looks ultra Germanic. He's like the pinnacle look of an actual Dutchman.

[Davystayn]

Dirk Kuyt is Troender with more pronounced CM and looks ultra Germanic. He's like the pinnacle look of an actual Dutchman.

Yes glad you agree, he looks super Dutch!

[Septentrion]

Danes.

The Dutch are one of the tallest (if not the tallest) of people in Europe, have good strong bones, and have a lot of hallstatt nordid types. I think the Dutch are phenotypically, culturally, and linguistically closer to Danes.

I've seen some Dutch people who look close to Walloons, but I think a larger percentage of them look closer to Danes.

The Dutch have a lot more Keltic Nordid than Hallstatt. Their tallness could be linked to the Borreby as it is taller than the Hallstatt. Rather their tallness as such, is more linked to proper nutrition. As not so long ago ( 200 years ago), the Dutch were among Northern Europe’s shortest.
The Danes are much more Cromagnid than the Dutch, despite the fact that they might be more Hallstatt Nordid.

[Septentrion]

The biggest element is Keltic-Nordid but don't underestimate the presence of Borrebies and Faelids which are combined 40-45% of the population. Although most Dutch CM's are generally Nordo-Cromagnid with a predominant CM admixture.

Not. 40% - 45% is too high for the Netherlands for CMs only. It could only be so, if one adds Nordid + CM mixes.

[XenophobicPrussian]

The biggest element is Keltic-Nordid but don't underestimate the presence of Borrebies and Faelids which are combined 40-45% of the population. Although most Dutch CM's are generally Nordo-Cromagnid with a predominant CM admixture.
I don't think this is true, any examples of Dutch KNs other than Edwin van der Sar?

[Septentrion]

Sure they are Nordic in the Iron Age sense!

Keltic Nordic

Carice van Houten
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Fsundaytimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fb7eb 3b1c-3f53-11e9-af00-ec1d0a9dead5.jpg?crop=1000%2C1500%2C625%2C0

[Septentrion]

I don't think this is true, any examples of Dutch KNs other than Edwin van der Sar?

Dutch KNs

Lotte Verbeek
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/49/c4/8549c4c4e492f7fa3c7174a53627d9ac.jpg

Sabrina Culver
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZGFiYmFmMTgtMzE4Yi00YWQxLTk4ZTYtYjhjNDAxYTM0Y2 EyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTg2NjMxNjI@._V1_UY317_CR52,0,21 4,317_AL_.jpg

[Septentrion]

Dutch KN with strong Alpinid admixture
Gaite Janssen
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Gaite-jansen-1314105736.jpg

KN with Atlantid admixture
https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/0bab74a/2147483647/strip/true/crop/378x512+0+0/resize/840x1138!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fc4%2Fef%2Fbb7fb260cf ff6d2faf843d473900%2Fsdut-this-feb.-26-2008-photo-releas-20160904

[XenophobicPrussian]

Sure they are Nordic in the Iron Age sense!

Keltic Nordic

Carice van Houten
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Fsundaytimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fb7eb 3b1c-3f53-11e9-af00-ec1d0a9dead5.jpg?crop=1000%2C1500%2C625%2C0
Atlantid+Alpine(not long faced at all), with minor Dinarid

Dutch KNs

Lotte Verbeek
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/49/c4/8549c4c4e492f7fa3c7174a53627d9ac.jpg

Sabrina Culver
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZGFiYmFmMTgtMzE4Yi00YWQxLTk4ZTYtYjhjNDAxYTM0Y2 EyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTg2NjMxNjI@._V1_UY317_CR52,0,21 4,317_AL_.jpg
Lotte is pred. KN, I'll give you that, but with Faelid admixture.

Sabrina Culver is CM+Atlanto-Med, and is a half Scottish American. Fake blonde btw(KNs shouldn't be blonde anyway, someone like Charles Dance being an exception)

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzE4NTg3NTA2MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzg0OTU2OQ@@._ V1_.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZGFiYmFmMTgtMzE4Yi00YWQxLTk4ZTYtYjhjNDAxYTM0Y2 EyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTg2NjMxNjI@._V1_UY317_CR52,0,21 4,317_AL_.jpg

https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/824596293.webp?mw=900&mh=507&q=70

https://live.staticflickr.com/771/31556793473_c43558da0b_b.jpg

Absolutely clueless.

[Lannister]

Sabrina Culver is CM+Atlanto-Med, and is a half Scottish American. Fake blonde btw(KNs shouldn't be blonde anyway, someone like Charles Dance being an exception)
lmao what, tons of Blonde Keltic Nordids examples:

https://cdn.wallpapersafari.com/69/23/sy4QWA.jpg

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/foto/normal/will-hughes-watford-1589377443-38451.jpg?lm=1589377440

https://vz.cnwimg.com/thumb-1200x/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GettyImages-146623998.jpg

You can find more examples if you check the KN examples thread too.

[XenophobicPrussian]

lmao what, tons of Blonde Keltic Nordids examples:

https://cdn.wallpapersafari.com/69/23/sy4QWA.jpg

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/foto/normal/will-hughes-watford-1589377443-38451.jpg?lm=1589377440

https://vz.cnwimg.com/thumb-1200x/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GettyImages-146623998.jpg

You can find more examples if you check the KN examples thread too.
Sub-Nordid admixture.

Hallstatt admixture.

Tronder admixture.

All of those being pretty obvious too.

Yeah, I don't think actual KNs:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/ame-prod-goodhousekeeping-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/main/embedded/40967/bruce-younger.jpg

https://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/42/2009/05/182968.jpg

https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/std/mw65331/Peter-Cushing.jpg

https://img.17qq.com/images/ccuwarqx.jpeg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/0e/b3/ae0eb35fe24faae1705bec017bf7af14.jpg

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mma/players/full/2335754.png

https://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=106359&d=1284395695

are even common in the Netherlands, let alone making up the majority of Nordics. Hallstatt, usually with North Atlantid influence is probably the most common Nordic type.

[Lannister]

https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2014/March/140319/2D274905408011-14319-ent-chrismartin-tease.fit-760w.jpg

https://res.cloudinary.com/dibsl9ebc/image/upload/v1443753811/v9lcukikc42zguykysf1.jpg

[Lannister]

Sub-Nordid admixture.

Hallstatt admixture.

Tronder admixture.

All of those being pretty obvious too.

Yeah, I don't think actual KNs:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/ame-prod-goodhousekeeping-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/main/embedded/40967/bruce-younger.jpg?resize=480:*

https://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/42/2009/05/182968.jpg

https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/std/mw65331/Peter-Cushing.jpg

https://img.17qq.com/images/ccuwarqx.jpeg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/0e/b3/ae0eb35fe24faae1705bec017bf7af14.jpg

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mma/players/full/2335754.png

are even common in the Netherlands, let alone making up the majority of Nordics. Hallstatt, usually with North Atlantid influence is probably the most common Nordic type.

Are you kidding me? Ryan Gosling Subnordid admixture with that extremely dolichophealic skull?

And Will Hughes looks depigmented KN imo. KNs already have Hallstatt influence.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Are you kidding me? Ryan Gosling Subnordid admixture with that extremely dolichophealic skull?

And Will Hughes looks depigmented KN imo. KNs already have Hallstatt influence.
You're right about Gosling, he looks shorter faced than he actually is in the picture you posted, he's a KN. Still, he's dark blonde, if not even light brown haired. My point was more about the kind of blonde hair Charles Dance has, very rare among people with other fully KN features.

Will Hughes' nose is barely even hooked, granted, I will concede his eye shape is perfect textbook KN(you could've posted better pictures, I had to look them up), but with the nose shape and pigmentation, you have to atleast give him minor Hallstatt influence. By Hallstatt influence, it means, more than what KN already supposedly have.

https://data1.ibtimes.co.in/en/full/331129/will-hughes.jpg

[Lannister]

Johan Cruyff is a Dutch KN (with faelid influence)
https://i0.wp.com/languagecaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/449px-Ajax-selectie_presenteert_zich_aan_de_pers_nummer_15_He inz_Stuy_nummer_16_Ruud_Krol_nummer_13_Johan_Cruyf f_nummer_14_Wim_Suurbier_allen_koppen.jpg?fit=449% 2C599&ssl=1

[Lannister]

You're right about Gosling, he looks shorter faced than he actually is in the picture you posted, he's a KN. Still, he's dark blonde, if not even light brown haired. My point was more about the kind of blonde hair Charles Dance has, very rare among people with other fully KN features.

Will Hughes' nose is barely even hooked, granted, I will concede his eye shape is perfect textbook KN(you could've posted better pictures, I had to look them up), but with the nose shape and pigmentation, you have to atleast give him minor Hallstatt influence. By Hallstatt influence, it means, more than what KN already supposedly have.

https://data1.ibtimes.co.in/en/full/331129/will-hughes.jpg

Yeah i'll give you Hallstatt influence on Will Hughes.

Harry Kane is another good example of a KN with Hallstatt influence imo.

https://e0.365dm.com/20/07/2048x1152/skysports-harry-kane-tottenham_5040778.jpg

[Jana]

Johan Cruyff is a Dutch KN (with faelid influence)
https://i0.wp.com/languagecaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/449px-Ajax-selectie_presenteert_zich_aan_de_pers_nummer_15_He inz_Stuy_nummer_16_Ruud_Krol_nummer_13_Johan_Cruyf f_nummer_14_Wim_Suurbier_allen_koppen.jpg?fit=449% 2C599&ssl=1

He looks like father/brother of Luka Modrić.

https://www.vecernji.hr/media/img/0b/79/d3c38316d2faf91cbc25.jpeg

[Immanenz]

Are you kidding me? Ryan Gosling Subnordid admixture with that extremely dolichophealic skull?

And Will Hughes looks depigmented KN imo. KNs already have Hallstatt influence.

i would not say KN has Hallstatt influences- it makes more sense to say they diverge from a Proto-strain which is already partially a result of blending of most likely different types. After all Hallstatt isnt a pure type as well, but gets mysticized on anthroboards probably because of the reason people did not understood this. Ironically many of those people posted are craniometrically Hallstatt-like or almost indistinguishable to Hallstatt Nordid, many times even closer to them than Hallstatt examples posted acutally since they can have a strong Corded element at times or go into Troender direction, which KN can do too but in a different way (aka Keltic+ Brunn for example)


Just to show a quick variety:

more of a standard type
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe294.jpg

Coon´s low vaulted Keltic

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe293.jpg
https://i1.wp.com/i39.photobucket.com/albums/e181/Borntobeking/keltic8.jpg
https://media.tag24.de/951x634/a/6/a613d39c021b31cba50a.jpg

Aran subtpye- same low head, but just much longer
http://racialreality.altervista.org/subraces_files/p29f6.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/0e/d3/740ed356f0b56a6994ba6ddb8af034f4.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/i39.photobucket.com/albums/e181/Borntobeking/keltic9.jpg

Types altered by Brunn/Cm- therefor Troender- like
https://www.echo.ie/images/PH_0468071119.jpg (he is extremly long headed- the shape of the head reminds me of Coon´s Long barrow btw, which you can find in SNPA)
https://i1.wp.com/i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu253/Tyranos/Kelticplate.jpg (jsut facially, metrically he is perfectly that Coon low vault type)
https://i1.wp.com/i39.photobucket.com/albums/e181/Borntobeking/Keltic4.jpg

if we are strict, Cruyff would not be Keltic N- but Atlantid-Dinaric hence also the resemblence to Modric, overall he might fall though in a mesocephalic range. Jaap Staam is a better example, he is a bit high headed- so more of a Corded element present, but otherwise he fits in that more loose KN describtion
https://en.as.com/en/imagenes/2019/06/30/football/1561919122_690836_noticia_normal.jpg

[Septentrion]

Yeah i'll give you Hallstatt influence on Will Hughes.

Harry Kane is another good example of a KN with Hallstatt influence imo.

https://e0.365dm.com/20/07/2048x1152/skysports-harry-kane-tottenham_5040778.jpg

Will Hughes is textbook Iron Age Nordic or KN. Remember that the KN hair color is much larger than that of the HN. It could vary anywhere from platinum - like blond to very dark brown. His morphology is perfectly KN.

[aherne]

I really don't understand why ethnic French people are so welcoming of foreigners... It seems like they have no sense of identity whatsoever!


In the beginning of 2012, people of foreign background and their descendants were estimated to have formed 25% of the total population.[4]

Of these 'New Belgians', 1,200,000 (49%) are of European ancestry and 1,350,000 (51%)[5] are from non-Western countries.

This is for Belgium! For France, it's definitely worse. ZERO popular movement against this phenomena... Fucking disgrace!

[Septentrion]

Atlantid+Alpine(not long faced at all), with minor Dinarid

Lotte is pred. KN, I'll give you that, but with Faelid admixture.

Sabrina Culver is CM+Atlanto-Med, and is a half Scottish American. Fake blonde btw(KNs shouldn't be blonde anyway, someone like Charles Dance being an exception)

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzE4NTg3NTA2MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzg0OTU2OQ@@._ V1_.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZGFiYmFmMTgtMzE4Yi00YWQxLTk4ZTYtYjhjNDAxYTM0Y2 EyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTg2NjMxNjI@._V1_UY317_CR52,0,21 4,317_AL_.jpg

https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/824596293.webp?mw=900&mh=507&q=70

https://live.staticflickr.com/771/31556793473_c43558da0b_b.jpg

Absolutely clueless.

Sabrina Culver is a generalized KN type. I don't know idea that she had a Scottish father. This explains why she looks KN but perhaps not purely so.

Carice van Houten may be KN with Subnordid tendencies shown in her cepahlic index.Her facial features are Nordid. There could also a North Atlantid element too.

[Septentrion]

Johan Cruyff is a Dutch KN (with faelid influence)
https://i0.wp.com/languagecaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/449px-Ajax-selectie_presenteert_zich_aan_de_pers_nummer_15_He inz_Stuy_nummer_16_Ruud_Krol_nummer_13_Johan_Cruyf f_nummer_14_Wim_Suurbier_allen_koppen.jpg?fit=449% 2C599&ssl=1

Vincent Van Gogh was a KN too.
https://www.ilredpillatore.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/keltic-nordid.jpg

[Davystayn]

Sub-Nordid admixture.

Hallstatt admixture.

Tronder admixture.

All of those being pretty obvious too.

Yeah, I don't think actual KNs:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/ame-prod-goodhousekeeping-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/main/embedded/40967/bruce-younger.jpg

https://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/42/2009/05/182968.jpg

https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/std/mw65331/Peter-Cushing.jpg

https://img.17qq.com/images/ccuwarqx.jpeg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/0e/b3/ae0eb35fe24faae1705bec017bf7af14.jpg

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mma/players/full/2335754.png

https://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=106359&d=1284395695

are even common in the Netherlands, let alone making up the majority of Nordics. Hallstatt, usually with North Atlantid influence is probably the most common Nordic type.

The examples here like Peter Cushing etc aren't even common in the UK. The KNs here are almost always less extreme than the "pure KNs" you posted, i.e. mixed with other influence, brunn, tronder, subnordid, atlantid etc. Chris Martin or David Wenham types are v common KN types for example, Bruce Forsyth etc are outliers.

The Netherlands does seem to have a lot more KN influence than NW Germany and Scandanavia, where it is almost non existant, whilst at the same time being the most germanic nation around along with the Danish

[MobyD]

Denmark is more blonde and blue - eyed than the Netherlands. Although the ethnic Dutch are the blondest, bluest - eyed group in Western Europe.

This makes no sense...

[Anglo-Celtic]

This makes no sense...

First, he's referring to *all* citizens in the Netherlands. Then, he's talking about just the ethnic Dutch (I think).

[Russki]

Walloons.


https://sun9-87.userapi.com/impf/rNpXjQfVfnAGk634x3xir5K-XMBm6gdN7TlP7w/R-4RcEba2tI.jpg?size=517x613&quality=95&sign=82df0f208894255633f5e2854ea83699&type=album

[Africanwidow]

Most Dutch people live above the rivers or rather belong to the North Dutch group. Naturally, I think the majority looks closer to Danes. When looking at the extremes, for example, Friesland or Groningen and Limburg or Brabant I think the picture is pretty clear.

For anyone interested I found a few extreme North Dutch (Friesland, Groningen) and extreme Southern Dutch (Limburg) scaled G25 samples.



(Groningen)Finn,0.134311267881738,0.14217411860110 1,0.0648647552990066,0.0607242910209745,0.04246948 59870001,0.023147924744996,0.00681530850365557,0.0 0899962499218717,0.00777190581517815,-0.00309801387989144,-0.00617076008284231,0.00569493107947761,-0.0114468729354353,-0.0013762267255071,0.0196794435896953,0.0068946588 0229036,0.0,0.00658780691884636,0.0049022239850908 5,0.00562769935231085,0.0059894306908086,0.0051934 1506140227,-0.00308119295079033,0.014098378630183,-0.00191599582463011
(Groningen)FinnDad,0.132035,0.139128,0.060339,0.05 3295,0.042469,0.019522,0.010575,0.011999,0.002045, 0.000911,-0.008607,0.006744,-0.014123,-0.004266,0.015472,0.004243,-0.00678,0.006081,0.006159,0.004252,0.00574,0.00371 ,-0.002711,0.014219,-0.002275
(Groningen)FinnMom,0.137726,0.139128,0.064865,0.05 6848,0.043393,0.021475,0.001175,0.008538,0.011044, 0.002005,-0.002923,0.004046,-0.004906,-0.001101,0.020087,0.011933,-0.001565,0.006588,0.002765,0.003126,0.00574,0.0059 35,-0.005053,0.011086,-0.000599
(Friesland)Elske,0.135449,0.12491,0.065619,0.04909 6,0.041546,0.024821,0.00705,0.005077,-0.00225,0.002369,-0.00747,0.004046,-0.020664,-0.014038,0.021308,0.014054,0.005998,0.002154,0.004 902,0.002751,0.011105,-0.001237,-0.001232,0.023497,-0.00479
(Friesland)Redbad,0.12862,0.131018,0.076933,0.0657 69,0.044624,0.05012,0.00097,0.005846,0.005318,0.01 0387,-0.008931,0.004096,-0.004325,-0.006817,0.032216,0.00916,-0.010791,0.00262,0.001383,0.007878,0.00861,0.00828 5,0.001725,0.016388,0.004748

South Dutch:

(Limburg)Ella,0.127482,0.140143,0.051666,0.02261,0 .038469,0.016733,0.00047,0.009692,0.005318,0.01111 6,-0.005034,0.002548,-0.011447,-0.014038,0.010993,0.001061,-0.005607,0.001267,0.00352,-0.003126,0.00262,0.001731,0.002958,0.00964,0.00766 4
(Limburg)Kae,0.136588,0.135065,0.052797,0.047481,0 .038161,0.013108,0.00893,0.007846,0.003886,-0.000182,-0.002436,0.005545,-0.009812,-0.009083,0.016015,-0.000133,-0.015255,0.000507,0.003645,0.001376,0.001872,0.001 484,0.000986,0.017352,-0.000479
(Limburg)Kellebel,0.132035,0.13405,0.050534,0.0355 3,0.040315,0.014502,0.00376,0.00923,0.00859,0.0103 87,-0.005196,0.005995,-0.013974,-0.013625,0.013843,0.006099,-0.004172,-0.001774,0.002263,-0.000625,0.003993,-0.003586,0.001232,0.01217,0.003233

https://i.postimg.cc/zv7CSFTS/Screenshot-2022-04-10-12-23-23.png

The Frisians/Groningeners seem to have some substantial WHG admixture, while the Limburgers have rather low levels of WHG and oblivious higher levels of EEF. The average probably accurately represents the average Dutch as a whole or Central Dutch.

[Africanwidow]

Another interesting one. Germanic vs Celtic samples. Celtic samples are mostly continental but there are two British ones included. It's clear that the Limburgers have a Gaulish/Continential Celtic pull southwards. While the Frisians/Groningers are pure Germanic, Finn's parents have a Northern Celtic/Bell Beaker like component.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0pvz4N1/Screenshot-2022-04-10-13-51-02.png

[Didac]

Danes why’s this even a question. Walloons are just north frenchies