Pakistani dna

[marco]

Which components comprise Pakistani dna

[Synapsid]

Their single biggest source of Ancestry is Gedrosian related, which comes from Iran_N/Zagros farmers and subsequent CHG migrants. I ran the 25nmonte for Pakistani DNA, but the results look very dodgy

Sample Details Fit Map IRN Hajji Firuz BA IRN Tepe Abdul Hosein N RUS Sintashta MLBA O2 Simulated AASI
1 Punjabi_Lahore:Average 2.8444 Open Map 7.5 30 15.83 46.67

Usually they have a lot more Iran_Tepe instead of having a high very AASI. This result looks more S. Indian (minus the high steppe component).

[Synapsid]

It depend on which ethnic group you are looking at. You get heavy East Eurasian Pakistanis like Balti peoples (They are Muslim Tibetans basically with low level N.Indian like admixture) to even European looking Kalash who practiced a variant of Indo-European paganism until the 19th century (they are not genetically European but have 50% steppe ancestry).

[marco]

It depend on which ethnic group you are looking at. You get heavy East Eurasian Pakistanis like Balti peoples (They are Muslim Tibetans basically with low level N.Indian like admixture) to even European looking Kalash who practiced a variant of Indo-European paganism until the 19th century (they are not genetically European but have 50% steppe ancestry).
That explains it I saw some Pakistanis that are practically white I would consider them a part of your race considering they have a high percentage of steppe

[marco]

Duplicate

[lameduck]

Pakistanis are mixture of ASI+steppe + Iran Neo

Asi levels various across ethnicity and even across castes in same ethnicity

but generally people in western and northern part of country are less asi in eastern part

as for anthropology of pakistani groups , all Punjabis/Pashtuns/Sindhi/Kashmiris etc are quite famous and their anthropology is well recorded

you can see work on humanphenotypes.

[lameduck]

Their single biggest source of Ancestry is Gedrosian related, which comes from Iran_N/Zagros farmers and subsequent CHG migrants. I ran the 25nmonte for Pakistani DNA, but the results look very dodgy

Sample Details Fit Map IRN Hajji Firuz BA IRN Tepe Abdul Hosein N RUS Sintashta MLBA O2 Simulated AASI
1 Punjabi_Lahore:Average 2.8444 Open Map 7.5 30 15.83 46.67

Usually they have a lot more Iran_Tepe instead of having a high very AASI. This result looks more S. Indian (minus the high steppe component).

he is part of diversity , there is significant dalits communities in Pakistan Punjab that can deviate significantly from what other Punjabis score (who are majority)

[Synapsid]

he is part of diversity , there is significant dalits communities in Pakistan Punjab that can deviate significantly from what other Punjabis score (who are majority)

Can you give the average score of punjabis?

[lameduck]

Can you give the average score of punjabis?

well Punjabis vary across groups major groups are

Jatts
Arains
Gujjars
Khatris

and various types of dalits

[Synapsid]

That explains it I saw some Pakistanis that are practically white I would consider them a part of your race considering they have a high percentage of steppe

But their non-steppe related is not European (EEF/AF_N + WHG) so they would different up-close. Pale skin tone come from EHG who have the SLC45 variant that codes for a certain de-pigmentation. If you high in steppe, you are generally lighter but that does not make you European. Yagnobis of Tajikstan are very steppe rich and pale skin but genetically cluster with other West Asian.

[Synapsid]

well Punjabis vary across groups major groups are

Jatts
Arains
Gujjars
Khatris

and various types of dalits

An you give the scores of one of those groups (the non-dalits ones)

[marco]

But their non-steppe related is not European (EEF/AF_N + WHG) so they would different up-close. Pale skin tone come from EHG who have the SLC45 variant that codes for a certain de-pigmentation. If you high in steppe, you are generally lighter but that does not make you European. Yagnobis of Tajikstan are very steppe rich and pale skin but genetically cluster with other West Asian.
Where do Europeans originate from and I remember rewarding North Indians having a good amount of north east european

[lameduck]

That explains it I saw some Pakistanis that are practically white I would consider them a part of your race considering they have a high percentage of steppe

Pakistanis dont look europeans , even lightest skinned Pakistanis dont , generally Punjabis/pashtuns/sindhis/balochs show looks what is charactersitic of their ethnicities but with huge outleiers as well.

Punjabis are largest group (~45% of populations) , many look like this imo

http://www.gift.edu.pk/uploads/47-MS-MPhil-Management-Sciences.jpg
http://www.gift.edu.pk/uploads/27-BS-English.jpg
http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2.jpg
http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/May-Day-in-Jampur-3.jpg
https://fashionspk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Latest-School-Girls-pics-in-Pakistan.jpg
https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/57418994_2120284904692458_8556368636602744832_o.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=3ZzQPzqCykEAQl9uqjoe6q4Nl2IXBgktGCA5aORKTW 4uDhaAaA-zA0WEw&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=6a0b9dcdd60a4963445f05873e665d3b&oe=5E3E6374
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/pakistani-army-soldiers-and-rescue-workers-try-to-rescue-passengers-picture-id479281108?s=2048x2048
http://www.jafariyanews.com/2k9_news/oct/18tajuddin_haideri_funeral.jpg
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/7956238a/97abbdc1/pakistan-train-accident-aftermath-jul-2015-shutterstock-editorial-7956238a.jpg
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2011/10/283952-IJAZMAHMOOD-1319799122-878-640x480.jpg
some Pakistani Punajbis can get really dark
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2010/05/Qadir-Magsi-360x252.jpg

than there are Pashtuns(16-20%)

https://i.dawn.com/primary/2016/12/586433faefb36.jpg
http://i.dawn.com/2012/08/waziristan-idps-2009-ap-670.jpg
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/0d7ebab8e7be0a1404b81ad8f0399eba

Sindhis (approx 15%)

http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/PTUDC-lecture-on-Kashmir-at-Johi-3.jpg
http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Dadu_PTUDC_Prog_MayDay_2017_6.jpg
http://khi.szabist.edu.pk/images/Privatization-Pakistan-6.jpg

than their are groups in far north pakistan(~5%)

https://i.imgur.com/wQopTiL.jpg

other groups like Balochs/Kashmiris/hindkos/gujjars

[Synapsid]

Where do Europeans originate from and I remember rewarding North Indians having a good amount of north east european

That North Eastern European ancestry comes from the steppes. Basically you have the First Anatomically modern Humans migrating to the European continent which was Oase-1 around 45,000 who a genetic dead end, then came Early West Eurasian hunter gatherers coming into Europe from Western Russian, with a split in Early West Eurasians resulting in two hunter Gatherer Clades around 40,000-35,000 kya:
-the Kostenki-Sunghir (KS) clade
-the Common west Eurasian clade

KS clade was the Ancestors of a Predominantly West Eurasian Siberian group called ANE (malta boy) and Common Western Eurasian clade is probably ancestral to Villabruna WHG (mesolithic foregers in Europe) and the Near Eastern UHG in Dzuzuana/Post Glacial Near Easterners (PGNE). The Common west Eurasians then began to mix with the KS clade around 30,000 kya to form a genetically distinct Hunter gatherer population called the Vestonice cluster. This Vestonice population was responsible for the blooming the gravattian culture in Ice age Europe but they could not survive increasingly harsh condition of the last glacial maximum around 25,000-20,000 and were subsequently replacement by another genetically distinct Paleo-Europeans population called the Magdelanian and the Solutreans (who were also a KS-clade+Common West Eurasian mix but in different ratio compared to the Vestonice/Gravettians). But even the Magdelanians could not last long in the changing environment of the Epi-Palaeolithic and were subsequently replaced by the Mesolithic WHG (except in mixed form in Iberia). What makes Mesolithic Hunter gatherers different from Palaeolithic gatherers is that there was a replacement of the KS-clade+Common West Eurasian mix (Vestonice/Magdelanian/Solutreans) by a Mesolithic population called the Villabruna cluster (WHG) which is almost 90% Common West Eurasian. WHG (Cheddar man's people) is probably 90% Common west Eurasian and 10% ANE. Why did the Common West Eurasians out compete the Vestonice? I have no idea, since they are both Hunter gatherers. Probably Hunting strategy or ANE-related technology such as pressure point technology. In-stark contrast to Ice age Europe, North East Siberia/Beringia did not face so much subsequent replacements like in Europe. Amerindians are the direct decedent of the Ancient-Paleosiberian like populations that inferred from the Kolyma aDNA samples (AP-1). So Proto-Amerindians had a mixture of East Asian and Paleo-European (ANE related) ancestry. In the western siberian tundra, these ANE spread in every direct in Western Eurasia from 17,000-7,800 BCE. In the south, ANE mixed the middle eastern Dzudzuana hunter gathers (73 % Proto-WHG/UHG and 27% Basal Eurasian) to form neolithic Iranians and Caucasus Hunter Gathers. In Eastern Europe, ANE mixed with WHG to form the Eastern Hunter Gatherers (EHG) and genetic studies show that the pale Northern European skin tone comes from these people (remember the SLC45 gene variant). In Anatolia, there a pure Dzudzuana population that was never mixed out, and after having some interaction with the levantine natufians (world first farmers) these Dzudzuana people became the Anatolian neolithic farmers who then expanded through out the European continent around 7,000 years ago. These farmers mixed the the Native WHG population to form the Early European Farmers (EEF) and create wonders in neolithic Europe, such as Stonehenge and other megaliths. Some of these EEF people crossed over into North Africa from Sicily and Iberia and mixed with the Native North African population (Berbers are like 40% EEF). In the steppe, throughout the neolithic and the early bronze ages, there constant contact with the robust and pale skin EHG and the more gracile light skin olive tone CHG population. Basically CHG were interacting with the more complex cultures of the Middle East and bringing pastoral technology and metallurgy to EHG-rich groups in the steppes. These EHG males then expands on these new innovation and migrate to the North Caucasus Piedmont steppe and mix primarily with CHG females to form the first true Steppe pastoral culture in the world. These Steppe pastrolist then domesticate the horse and invent the spooke wheeled chariots which give them mobility. These steppe populations however are the first people to suffer bubonic plagues and other zoonotic diseases which later give then strong immunity. These steppe people, now called the Proto-Indo European(PIE), quickly spread west to Europe proper, whereby they pretty much devastated Eastern and Northern Europe EEF populations with war and disease (like colonist in the Americas) and in Britain, the EEF people in Stonehenge faced a population replacement of 95%. But in S.Europe, where the climate sustained a more complex agriculture population, the EEF people faced less replacements but more assimilation. Still the Steppe pastrolist in Iberia kill most of the male population and took their females (hence why Spaniard are mostly R1b-DF27 today). Some these PIE steppe migrants who lived in Europe migrated BACK to the steppe to become the Andronovo people and migrate south of the steppes, into Iranian plateau and S.Asia, bringing the Indo-European language there.

[Bandesha]

Pakistanis dont look europeans , even lightest skinned Pakistanis dont , generally Punjabis/pashtuns/sindhis/balochs show looks what is charactersitic of their ethnicities but with huge outleiers as well.

Punjabis are largest group (~45% of populations) , many look like this imo

http://www.gift.edu.pk/uploads/47-MS-MPhil-Management-Sciences.jpg
http://www.gift.edu.pk/uploads/27-BS-English.jpg
http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2.jpg
http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/May-Day-in-Jampur-3.jpg
https://fashionspk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Latest-School-Girls-pics-in-Pakistan.jpg
https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/57418994_2120284904692458_8556368636602744832_o.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=3ZzQPzqCykEAQl9uqjoe6q4Nl2IXBgktGCA5aORKTW 4uDhaAaA-zA0WEw&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=6a0b9dcdd60a4963445f05873e665d3b&oe=5E3E6374
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/pakistani-army-soldiers-and-rescue-workers-try-to-rescue-passengers-picture-id479281108?s=2048x2048
http://www.jafariyanews.com/2k9_news/oct/18tajuddin_haideri_funeral.jpg
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/7956238a/97abbdc1/pakistan-train-accident-aftermath-jul-2015-shutterstock-editorial-7956238a.jpg
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2011/10/283952-IJAZMAHMOOD-1319799122-878-640x480.jpg
some Pakistani Punajbis can get really dark
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2010/05/Qadir-Magsi-360x252.jpg

than there are Pashtuns(16-20%)

https://i.dawn.com/primary/2016/12/586433faefb36.jpg
http://i.dawn.com/2012/08/waziristan-idps-2009-ap-670.jpg
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/0d7ebab8e7be0a1404b81ad8f0399eba

Sindhis (approx 15%)

http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/PTUDC-lecture-on-Kashmir-at-Johi-3.jpg
http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Dadu_PTUDC_Prog_MayDay_2017_6.jpg
http://khi.szabist.edu.pk/images/Privatization-Pakistan-6.jpg

than their are groups in far north pakistan(~5%)

https://i.imgur.com/wQopTiL.jpg

other groups like Balochs/Kashmiris/hindkos/gujjars

i would divide population as this

northern areas population

northern areas of pakistan are basically tajiks belt and divided into various groups and intermixed identities but same people , some people call em vedic people but that's a lie , vedic people were pushed toward punjab and beyond , they are tajik belt with few exception being kalash and few tiny vedic minority

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcS3FVCl6Rlxgd8pG_emaNUSaeKDDsI keke7zuyeN5dbZI8ioB2z

Pashtun belts


there are 2 pashtun belts

1st pashtun belt are basically hamalyians punjabis , genetically shifted more toward tajik belt stretch all the way to sialkot punjab and neolothic and steppe mix but more steppe shifted

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSNi-Kbvw41snl5wcTCOcBg2z1x4h0xMEDpjt4pff5b1L9MZeT2

2nd pashrun belt are orignal pashtuns spread fro suleman mountains near dera gghazi khan punjab and closely related to sindhi people and perfect mix of steppe and iranic neolothic

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQbk4Su2Eo0XNeaqzRJDfxA15hV2yx _KdJQdIWIvWfDzI-oiu4k

few sections of pashtun like hotaks, ghilzais are turk origin but they make minority of pashtun

punjab population


Punjab has 3 belts

Noerthern punjab/potohar

Ist belt of noethern punjab is closely related to northern areas tajik belt and ist pashtun belt (who are also himalyan punjabis but more intermxed with tajik belt)

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/people-assist-a-man-at-the-scene-where-a-pakistani-army-aviation-picture-id1158426788?s=612x612

2nd belt is central punjab and basically brazil of paksitan and consist ethnity fro allover india and pakistan but mostly related to nerthern punjab

https://c.tribune.com.pk/2011/10/283952-IJAZMAHMOOD-1319799122-878-640x480.jpg

3rd belt is south punjab and basically mixture of punjabi and sindhi

http://www.marxistreview.asia/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/May-Day-in-Jampur-3.jpg

sindhi and balochi belt

These are highly iranic neolothic rich lands and population here is sindhi and balochi who are relativily same poople with exception of few tribes who were brought here by sassanid persain people

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRc8gp6zW96PjgY8xmGxqUeaqkqdr4 ec8974kx0dP01TCEcLJ8Q

[Avicenna]

But their non-steppe related is not European (EEF/AF_N + WHG) so they would different up-close. Pale skin tone come from EHG who have the SLC45 variant that codes for a certain de-pigmentation. If you high in steppe, you are generally lighter but that does not make you European. Yagnobis of Tajikstan are very steppe rich and pale skin but genetically cluster with other West Asian.

Wrong they do not cluster with West Asians, but have their own cluster with pashtuns. They are close to North Caucasians and Turks not Levantines or semetic arabs.

[Synapsid]

Wrong they do not cluster with West Asians, but have their own cluster with pashtuns. They are close to North Caucasians and Turks not Levantines or semetic arabs.

Pashtuns and North Caucasians are very west Asian and Turks have heavy west asian influence. If you have Iran_N (gedrosia?)/Iran_ChL (Bracin_N + Iran_N)/CHG your gonna cluster with West Asian populations. BTW West Asian is not the same as MENA/South West Asian/East Med or Red. Biiig difference. All west huto cave related ancestry which is Dzudzuana (73 % Proto-WHG/UHG and 27% Basal Eurasian) + a shit ton of Ancient North Eurasian.

[lameduck]

Pashtuns and North Caucasians are very west Asian and Turks have heavy west asian influence. If you have Iran_N (gedrosia?)/Iran_ChL (Bracin_N + Iran_N)/CHG your gonna cluster with West Asian populations. BTW West Asian is not the same as MENA/South West Asian/East Med or Red. Biiig difference. All west huto cave related ancestry which is Dzudzuana (73 % Proto-WHG/UHG and 27% Basal Eurasian) + a shit ton of Ancient North Eurasian.

what is your background , if you dont mind sharing?

[Synapsid]

what is your background , if you dont mind sharing?

Beja+Masri

[Zoro]

That North Eastern European ancestry comes from the steppes. Basically you have the First Anatomically modern Humans migrating to the European continent which was Oase-1 around 45,000 who a genetic dead end, then came Early West Eurasian hunter gatherers coming into Europe from Western Russian, with a split in Early West Eurasians resulting in two hunter Gatherer Clades around 40,000-35,000 kya:
-the Kostenki-Sunghir (KS) clade
-the Common west Eurasian clade

KS clade was the Ancestors of a Predominantly West Eurasian Siberian group called ANE (malta boy) and Common Western Eurasian clade is probably ancestral to Villabruna WHG (mesolithic foregers in Europe) and the Near Eastern UHG in Dzuzuana/Post Glacial Near Easterners (PGNE). The Common west Eurasians then began to mix with the KS clade around 30,000 kya to form a genetically distinct Hunter gatherer population called the Vestonice cluster. This Vestonice population was responsible for the blooming the gravattian culture in Ice age Europe but they could not survive increasingly harsh condition of the last glacial maximum around 25,000-20,000 and were subsequently replacement by another genetically distinct Paleo-Europeans population called the Magdelanian and the Solutreans (who were also a KS-clade+Common West Eurasian mix but in different ratio compared to the Vestonice/Gravettians). But even the Magdelanians could not last long in the changing environment of the Epi-Palaeolithic and were subsequently replaced by the Mesolithic WHG (except in mixed form in Iberia). What makes Mesolithic Hunter gatherers different from Palaeolithic gatherers is that there was a replacement of the KS-clade+Common West Eurasian mix (Vestonice/Magdelanian/Solutreans) by a Mesolithic population called the Villabruna cluster (WHG) which is almost 90% Common West Eurasian. WHG (Cheddar man's people) is probably 90% Common west Eurasian and 10% ANE. Why did the Common West Eurasians out compete the Vestonice? I have no idea, since they are both Hunter gatherers. Probably Hunting strategy or ANE-related technology such as pressure point technology. In-stark contrast to Ice age Europe, North East Siberia/Beringia did not face so much subsequent replacements like in Europe. Amerindians are the direct decedent of the Ancient-Paleosiberian like populations that inferred from the Kolyma aDNA samples (AP-1). So Proto-Amerindians had a mixture of East Asian and Paleo-European (ANE related) ancestry. In the western siberian tundra, these ANE spread in every direct in Western Eurasia from 17,000-7,800 BCE. In the south, ANE mixed the middle eastern Dzudzuana hunter gathers (73 % Proto-WHG/UHG and 27% Basal Eurasian) to form neolithic Iranians and Caucasus Hunter Gathers. In Eastern Europe, ANE mixed with WHG to form the Eastern Hunter Gatherers (EHG) and genetic studies show that the pale Northern European skin tone comes from these people (remember the SLC45 gene variant). In Anatolia, there a pure Dzudzuana population that was never mixed out, and after constant with the levantine natufians (world first farmers) these Dzudzuana people became the Anatolian neolithic farmers who then Expanded through out the European continent around 7,000 years ago. These farmers mixed the the Native WHG population to form the Early European Farmers (EEF) and create wonders in neolithic Europe, such as Stonehenge and other megaliths. Some of these EEF people crossed from Sciliity and Iberia and Mixed with the Native North African population (Berbers are like 40% EEF). In the steppe, throughout the neolithic and the early bronze ages, there constant contact with the robust and pale skin EHG and the more gracile light skin olive tone CHG population. Basically CHG were interacting with the more complex cultures of the Middle East and bringing pastoral technology and metallurgy to EHG-rich groups in the steppes. These EHG males then expands on these new innovation and migrate to the North Caucasus Piedmont steppe and mix primarily with CHG females to form the first true Steppe pastoral culture in the world. These Steppe pastrolist then domesticate the horse and invent the spooke wheeled chariots which give them mobility. These steppe populations however are the first people to suffer bubonic plagues and other zoonotic diseases which later give then strong immunity. These steppe people, now called the Proto-Indo European(PIE), quickly spread west to Europe proper, whereby they pretty much devastated Eastern and Northern Europe EEF populations with war and disease (like colonist in the Americas) and in Britain, the EEF people in Stonehenge faced a population replacement of 95%. But in S.Europe, where the climate sustained a more complex agriculture population, the EEF people faced less replacements but more assimilation. Still the Steppe pastrolist in Iberia kill most of the male population and took their females (hence why Spaniard are mostly R1b-DF27 today). Some these PIE steppe migrants who lived in Europe migrated BACK to the steppe to become the Andronovo people and migrate south of the steppes, into Iranian plateau and S.Asia, bringing the Indo-European language there.

Nice post!

[Zoro]

Their single biggest source of Ancestry is Gedrosian related, which comes from Iran_N/Zagros farmers and subsequent CHG migrants. I ran the 25nmonte for Pakistani DNA, but the results look very dodgy

Sample Details Fit Map IRN Hajji Firuz BA IRN Tepe Abdul Hosein N RUS Sintashta MLBA O2 Simulated AASI
1 Punjabi_Lahore:Average 2.8444 Open Map 7.5 30 15.83 46.67

Usually they have a lot more Iran_Tepe instead of having a high very AASI. This result looks more S. Indian (minus the high steppe component).


That’s because the calculator is dodgy. The clown has mixed up all sorts of dodgy low quality ancient samples that are haploids with high quality moderns that are diploids so i’m not at all surprised. First you’re not supposed to mixed things up like that and then he’s thrown in a few of one group and many of a different group

[Synapsid]

That’s because the calculator is dodgy. The clown has mixed up all sorts of dodgy low quality ancient samples that are haploids with high quality moderns that are diploids so i’m not at all surprised. First you’re not supposed to mixed things up like that and then he’s thrown in a few of one group and many of a different group

There is too many low quality aDNA samples in that calculator. They should have had a vetting process like in Eurogenes.

[Zoro]

There is too many low quality aDNA samples in that calculator. They should have had a vetting process like in Eurogenes.

I was referring to eurogenes. I thought you posted G25 because the Davidski guy has mixed up low coverage and haploid ancients with diploid higher coverage moderns in the run he uses to get peoples coordinates. He should have only used ancients and only higher coverage ones so obviously the moderns and the populations with more samples would have a bigger pull on the coordinates. I remember the guy who made nmonte said garbage in = garbage out

[Synapsid]

I was referring to eurogenes. I thought you posted G25 because the Davidski guy has mixed up low coverage and haploid ancients with diploid higher coverage moderns in the run he uses to get peoples coordinates. He should have only used ancients and only higher coverage ones so obviously the moderns and the populations with more samples would have a bigger pull on the coordinates. I remember the guy who made nmonte said garbage in = garbage out

I am using Poi's 25 global nmonte

[Zoro]

I am using Poi's 25 global nmonte

Who is Poi? Anyway whoever he is he is using Davidski’s coordinates. That’s where the problem is. Those coordinates change depending on what samples you use to generate them. If you change samples then your coordinator will change

[lameduck]

There is too many low quality aDNA samples in that calculator. They should have had a vetting process like in Eurogenes.

you can get lots of samples of all pakistani groups on anthrogenica



https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?10906-KHANABADOSHI-Calculator-Results

e.g arains are quite stong agricultural tribe of pakistan punjab

here is arain only gathering in gujranwala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2TxzeDmTuQ

[Zoro]

you can get lots of samples of all pakistani groups on anthrogenica



https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?10906-KHANABADOSHI-Calculator-Results

e.g arains are quite stong agricultural tribe of pakistan punjab

here is arain only gathering in gujranwala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2TxzeDmTuQ

Wow that’s alot of samples but those are admixture calculator results not g25 coordinates. Didn’t know there’s a balochi guy on anthrogenica lol. Is he still active

[lameduck]

Wow that’s alot of samples but those are admixture calculator results not g25 coordinates. Didn’t know there’s a balochi guy on anthrogenica lol. Is he still active

he posts time to time , he is seriaki Baloch from DG Khan , he also have some kho ancestry.

[Zoro]

he posts time to time , he is seriaki Baloch from DG Khan , he also have some kho ancestry.


Ah ok Dilawer also has some baloch ancestry. Btwthose Arains look very W. Asian influenced. Biradari is a kurdish word too. It means brotherhood