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Pallantides
08-02-2011, 02:47 PM
New updated map from eupedia:
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-Q.gif



Haplogroup Q (Y-DNA)

Q is found predominantly in Central Siberia, Central Asia and among Native Americans. In the latter case it is the specific subclade Q1a3a.

One hypothesis is that Q came to Europe with the Huns in the 5th century. The Huns are thought to have originated from Central Siberia, where haplogroup Q is still common nowadays. Q is found in 2% of the people in Hungary and up to 5% in isolated pockets in the mountains of Slovakia, just north of Hungary. It is historically attested that Hungary was were most of the Hunnic invaders finally settled after wreaking havoc around Europe. The Nordic and Baltic states have the second highest frequency of Q in Europe. Based on the Hunnic hypothesis, it is possible that a group of Huns settled in Sweden and/or Norway along with their allies, the Goths. The Romans reported that the Huns consisted of a small ruling elite and their armies comprised mostly of Germanic warriors. An alternative scenario is that Nordic and Baltic Q came through the Uralic-speaking population of Siberia via Finland and Lappland, but this is unlikely because Q is not more common in Finland and does not correlate with the densities of the Uralic haplogroup N1c1.

Other Central Asian or Siberian migrations might have brought Q to Ukraine in the late Antiquity or Medieval period. For instance, the multi-ethnic Central Asian troops of Genghis Khan could very well have carried some haplogroup Q (along with C, G, O and R1a) to Eastern Europe, but not to Central Europe or Scandinavia.

*I used to have little trust in eupedia because they put Y-DNA Q's frequency in Norway at only 0.5% when it is in fact in the 2-4% range, but this map looks fairly accurate.:thumb001:

Graham
08-02-2011, 02:51 PM
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_Q/default.aspx?section=ymap

Have you seen this map Palla? looks more common than I thought.

Bridie
08-02-2011, 02:57 PM
I wonder if the (very low frequencies) of Q in those two isolated pockets in Spain came with the Goths then?

poiuytrewq0987
08-02-2011, 03:07 PM
If we're going to do this eugenics thing then I think we need to expel anyone carrying Q to restore racial purity to Europe.

d3cimat3d
08-02-2011, 03:11 PM
Well, I found it strange how Icelanders have poems about the Huns:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hl%C3%B6%C3%B0skvi%C3%B0a

Also:

During a 16th-century peasant revolt in southern Norway, the rebels claimed, during their trial, that they expected the "Hun king Atle" to come from the north with a great host.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns#Legends

......... Anyways, looking at places like Siciliy, it looks like hQ is much more ancient and has nothing to do with the Turkic nomads.

Bridie
08-02-2011, 03:13 PM
If we're going to do this eugenics thing then I think we need to expel anyone carrying Q to restore racial purity to Europe.Instead, I propose that scientists work on finding a correlative gene that determines nazi-like psychological tendencies and purge Europe of all who are found to carry it. :p

Pallantides
08-02-2011, 03:35 PM
During a 16th-century peasant revolt in southern Norway, the rebels claimed, during their trial, that they expected the "Hun king Atle" to come from the north with a great host.

Atle is a common enough name in Norway, I guess it's the Nordic version of Atilla.
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atle

poiuytrewq0987
08-03-2011, 12:46 PM
Atle is a common enough name in Norway, I guess it's the Nordic version of Atilla.
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atle

Could the Hunnic invasion of Norway be the reason why there are swarthy Norwegians?

Pallantides
08-03-2011, 01:02 PM
Could the Hunnic invasion of Norway be the reason why there are swarthy Norwegians?

No, I doubt it, the first people who settled in Norway could be the reason for "swarthy" Norwegians.

There have been no Hunnic invasion of Norway at least no proof of such an invasion, Y-DNA Q's presence in Norway could be a lot older.

Damboriena
08-06-2011, 02:25 AM
I wonder were the Q in basque lands comes from.

Bridie
08-06-2011, 06:46 AM
I wonder were the Q in basque lands comes from.



I wonder if the (very low frequencies) of Q in those two isolated pockets in Spain came with the Goths then? Unless it could have been the Alans or some other Germanic tribe?