Classify Iranian Family

[Oghuz]

They are from Gilan.

Brother 1 Nasser Hashemi

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Naser_Hashemi_at_32th_Fajr_%28cropped%29.jpg
https://www.asemooni.com/cdn/2019/06/Nasser-Hashemi-will-return-to-television.jpg
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Brother 2 Mehdi Hashemi

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D373NF/tehran-iran-actor-mehdi-hashemi-at-day-9-of-the-31th-international-D373NF.jpg
https://assets.mubi.com/images/cast_member/115920/image-w240.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Mehdi_Hashemi_at_32th_Fajr.jpg
https://assets.imvbox.com/cast/17f21565b901d1f023a31587449c6aa1.jpg

Daughter Noora Hashemmi

http://aksiato.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Noora-hashemi-raghs-3.jpg
http://aksiato.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Noora-hashemi-raghs-1.jpg

Noora Hashemi with Husband

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[FinalFlash]

You either purposely select Iranid Iranians for us to classify or Iranians are the most homogenous looking group of people ever. :D

[Kyp]

Robust Iranid
Iranid + slight Caspid

[lameduck]

Nser Hashmi is proto iranid

daughter noora is iranid proper

husband is irano med

[Oghuz]

You either purposely select Iranid Iranians for us to classify or Iranians are the most homogenous looking group of people ever. :D

decide for yourself with multiple crowd photos

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?14623-Persians&p=6024578&viewfull=1#post6024578

[Oghuz]

Robust Iranid
Iranid + slight Caspid

I had caspid in mind when I posted them

[xtal]

I have no idea why people classified the guy as Iranid while he is a brachy lmao

[Avicenna]

You either purposely select Iranid Iranians for us to classify or Iranians are the most homogenous looking group of people ever. :D

Iranians are quite homogenous tbh, they all have this look. Excluding the obvious extremes such as afro Iranians and balochis

[lameduck]

Iranians are quite homogenous tbh, they all have this look. Excluding the obvious extremes such as afro Iranians and balochis

yeah there most country is situated on a single geography entity iranian plateau , while compare this to Pakistan that straddles all iranian , eurasian and indian plates.

[Oghuz]

yeah there most country is situated on a single geography entity iranian plateau , while compare this to Pakistan that straddles all iranian , eurasian and indian plates.

Iranian population also look exclusively different from neighbors. Overlaps are missing IMO. Its like we are a large inbred nation.

[Bakha]

It’s interesting that Persians on average (not all), despite their pigmentation, have rather Europoid/proper facial features in comparison to their Arab neighborhoods.

[Babak]

Iranian population also look exclusively different from neighbors. Overlaps are missing IMO. Its like we are a large inbred nation.

Its the same with every nation tbh. Saudis are the same

[Oghuz]

Its the same with every nation tbh. Saudis are the same

I would disagree, generally speaking Saudi appearance overlaps with Yemenis IMO.

[lameduck]

I would disagree, generally speaking Saudi appearance overlaps with Yemenis IMO.

saudis also have decent enough overlap with levantines , but levantines on these boards are perceived as much lighter than gulf arabs.

[xtal]

Iranian population also look exclusively different from neighbors. Overlaps are missing IMO. Its like we are a large inbred nation.

I disagree, like most countries Iranians living closer to their borders overlap with their geographical neighbors and just calling them “inbred nation” is just too extreme because he genetic makeup indicates the otherwise

[Avicenna]

It’s interesting that Persians on average (not all), despite their pigmentation, have rather Europoid/proper facial features in comparison to their Arab neighborhoods.

I've always wondered the same too. Arabs including Levantines( yes Jews too) have this semetic vibe about them, even when they are depigmented. Think someone like bashar Al assad or Nancy ajram. Yeah sure they could pass off as southern euros but somehting is speficially Levantine about them. Could the same thing be said about Iranians? Maybe. Afghans? I don't think so... There are psuedo euro looking types that are identical to Europeans, which begs the question, how?

[FinalFlash]

I've always wondered the same too. Arabs including Levantines( yes Jews too) have this semetic vibe about them, even when they are depigmented. Think someone like bashar Al assad or Nancy ajram. Yeah sure they could pass off as southern euros but somehting is speficially Levantine about them. Could the same thing be said about Iranians? Maybe. Afghans? I don't think so... There are psuedo euro looking types that are identical to Europeans, which begs the question, how?

Higher steppe admix in Iranic-speakers with less Levantine-like affinities. If Iranians on average had double the amount of steppe they do now, they would probably look generic Euro for the most part.

[Oghuz]

Higher steppe admix in Iranic-speakers with less Levantine-like affinities. If Iranians on average had double the amount of steppe they do now, they would probably look generic Euro for the most part.

I think the lightest Iranians are Caspians and they have usually the least steppe.

[Kamal900]

I think the lightest Iranians are Caspians and they have usually the least steppe.

True. They're genetically very neolithic Iranians in contrast to Persians and Kurds.

[FinalFlash]

I think the lightest Iranians are Caspians and they have usually the least steppe.

Based off my limited runs with Iranians, the disparity in Steppe admix. is really down to a couple of percent. Iranians generally average around 20% Steppe, which is the highest in West Asia along with Azeris, Turks excluded of course.

[Oghuz]

Based off my limited runs with Iranians, the disparity in Steppe admix. is really down to a couple of percent. Iranians generally average around 20% Steppe, which is the highest in West Asia along with Azeris, Turks excluded of course.

I wonder what my steppe % would be. I want it least.

[FinalFlash]

I wonder what my steppe % would be. I want it least.

It would probably be around the same range as Azerbaijanis, more or less. Why do you want it least?

[Oghuz]

It would probably be around the same range as Azerbaijanis, more or less. Why do you want it least?

I see it as foreign component. Not the part of continuity of Iranian identity.

Its hypocrisy on my part because I am a proper genetic Turk, an invader of Iran myself.

[FinalFlash]

I see it as foreign component. Not the part of continuity of Iranian identity.

Its hypocrisy on my part because I am a proper genetic Turk, an invader of Iran myself.

I'm not sure but I think even Bronze Age Iranian people would consist of different components as well. If that's how you feel, wouldn't the Iranian languages be considered foreign as well?

[Avicenna]

Higher steppe admix in Iranic-speakers with less Levantine-like affinities. If Iranians on average had double the amount of steppe they do now, they would probably look generic Euro for the most part.

Yeah I guess. If you lower the neolithic ancestry in iranics and add more steppe, they would look like generic balkanites imo. Pamiris are arguably the closest to this although they have substantial amount of Iranian neolithic ancestry.

[FinalFlash]

Yeah I guess. If you lower the neolithic ancestry in iranics and add more steppe, they would look like generic balkanites imo. Pamiris are arguably the closest to this although they have substantial amount of Iranian neolithic ancestry.

If by Neolithic you mean Iran_N then yes I think they would resemble Balkan people. Though I'm not sure if Iranians have much EEF.

[Avicenna]

I wonder what my steppe % would be. I want it least.

Ahh come on bro, the steppe herders are epic folks. I'm sure you will regret these words tomorrow mornings :)

[Avicenna]

If by Neolithic you mean Iran_N then yes I think they would resemble Balkan people. Though I'm not sure if Iranians have much EEF.

Agreed

[Oghuz]

I'm not sure but I think even Bronze Age Iranian people would consist of different components as well. If that's how you feel, wouldn't the Iranian languages be considered foreign as well?

I know what you are implying. Its hypocrisy on my part because Iranian identity itself is a mixture of foreign + native components. I just feel more closer to neolithic Iranian identity more.

[Oghuz]

If by Neolithic you mean Iran_N then yes I think they would resemble Balkan people. Though I'm not sure if Iranians have much EEF.

What was the proposed phenotype of Steppe folks ?

[lameduck]

I see it as foreign component. Not the part of continuity of Iranian identity.

Its hypocrisy on my part because I am a proper genetic Turk, an invader of Iran myself.

it is not foriegn, steppe along with gedrosia/iran neo are two components that are an organic part of genetic makeup of indo iranians which ultimately resulted in formation of their identities. If you go some time back than every thing is foriegn you have to draw line somewhere on timeline e.g many dravadian nationalists in india see aryan influence to be outsider when the reality is ASI is also outsder and it arrived from outside in india.

[FinalFlash]

I know what you are implying. Its hypocrisy on my part because Iranian identity itself is a mixture of foreign + native components. I just feel more closer to neolithic Iranian identity more.


What was the proposed phenotype of Steppe folks ?

Yeah I think you should be proud of all your components. Without them, you wouldn't be you as corny as that sounds lol.

The Steppe people were largely EHG and CHG if I'm not mistaken so they would probably resemble modern day East Europeans. Then again, there were several steppe cultures who were by no means a monolith genetically speaking. For us, we supposedly got our steppe admix, among other things from bronze age Armenians who were about 25-30% steppe on average based off my runs. Iranians probably got their steppe from a different culture. I'm sure one of our more knowledgeable users like Mingle could probably enlighten you with this.

[Babak]

Yeah I think you should be proud of all your components. Without them, you wouldn't be you as corny as that sounds lol.

The Steppe people were largely EHG and CHG if I'm not mistaken so they would probably resemble modern day East Europeans. Then again, there were several steppe cultures who were by no means a monolith genetically speaking. For us, we supposedly got our steppe admix, among other things from bronze age Armenians who were about 25-30% steppe on average based off my runs. Iranians probably got their steppe from a different culture. I'm sure one of our more knowledgeable users like Mingle could probably enlighten you with this.

Proto-Indo Iranians resembled East europeans. Bronze age Iranics or Early Iranics probably resembled Pamiris and Yaghnobis.

[Kyp]

I know what you are implying. Its hypocrisy on my part because Iranian identity itself is a mixture of foreign + native components. I just feel more closer to neolithic Iranian identity more.

Azeris are the least Neolithic group in Iran.

[Oghuz]

Azeris are the least Neolithic group in Iran.

I explained very openly the hypocrisy on my part.

[Hajimurad]

Did Persians (from South) and other Iranic-speaking groups migrate to Gilan and Mazandaran? I know only about Kurdish tribes settled by Abbas I and Agha Muhammad Qajar.

[Pater Patota]

OP is trolling, they're not Iranians, they're Sicilians.

[Hashoeva]

Iranian population also look exclusively different from neighbors. Overlaps are missing IMO. Its like we are a large inbred nation.
I dont think so. Many Iranians can pass as Arabs to Pakistanis.

[Hashoeva]

It’s interesting that Persians on average (not all), despite their pigmentation, have rather Europoid/proper facial features in comparison to their Arab neighborhoods.
You call this "europoid"? Lol. The average non cherry picked Iranians can pass in the Arab countries easily.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IranWommenFootball_Feature.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-805fde00c06b2fffcd0ffec6f35a46c8.webp

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/9909244-3x2-700x467.jpg

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/12/20/world/20iran3/merlin_164719092_9f52cb51-a070-4e5a-901b-347c393a2480-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg

[Babak]

You call this "europoid"? Lol. The average non cherry picked Iranians can pass in the Arab countries easily.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IranWommenFootball_Feature.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-805fde00c06b2fffcd0ffec6f35a46c8.webp

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/9909244-3x2-700x467.jpg

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/12/20/world/20iran3/merlin_164719092_9f52cb51-a070-4e5a-901b-347c393a2480-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg

Levantines and Iraqis probably yes. Saudis and yemenis? Nah dont think so. Iranians mostly resemble south caucasian populations more than Arab ones tbh.

[Oghuz]

You call this "europoid"? Lol.

Do not get triggered for nothing. No Iranian calls themselves Europoid or European because we are not.

Here are pics of crowds from all over Iran and it will give you an idea how we like look like. Iranid skull shape is very progressive. More progressive then most of the highly populated European types like alpine. Arabid phenotype itself is east med Orientalid which overlaps with Iranid. Look at the skull length trait of an average Iranian.

https://ak5.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5388035/thumb/8.jpg

https://media-us-west-motionelements.s3.amazonaws.com/m/s/311/3114658/a-0211.jpg

https://th.thgim.com/news/international/73v986/article26235793.ece/alternates/FREE_660/IRANREVOLUTIONANNIVERSARYTIMELINE

https://gdb.rferl.org/F0D04EF4-8BD5-43E0-AC58-B0CAE44D5916_w1023_r1_s.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b175ee76dcad2cd3b945504e34efe3c0

https://ak3.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5387693/thumb/1.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Farewell_to_Body_of_Martyr_Mohsen_Hojaji_in_Mashha d_04_%282%29.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/27D3CEBB-FC3A-4E12-96E3-81B5C4818140_w1023_r1_s.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/508179B3-5381-4E39-9040-252EAC54A2F5_w408_r1_s.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/D979/production/_100237655_gettyimages-695311082.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/946360222309928960/pu/img/m7EdoLu3RQRz9TVT.jpg

[Oghuz]

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