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Oghuz
12-08-2019, 07:49 PM
They are from Gilan.
Brother 1 Nasser Hashemi
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Naser_Hashemi_at_32th_Fajr_%28cropped%29.jpg
https://www.asemooni.com/cdn/2019/06/Nasser-Hashemi-will-return-to-television.jpg
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTdkNzY4ZjQtMTVmNC00OGI3LTgxMmItNGNlN2YwMjNmNm JmXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjkxOTM4ODY@._V1_.jpg
Brother 2 Mehdi Hashemi
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D373NF/tehran-iran-actor-mehdi-hashemi-at-day-9-of-the-31th-international-D373NF.jpg
https://assets.mubi.com/images/cast_member/115920/image-w240.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Mehdi_Hashemi_at_32th_Fajr.jpg
https://assets.imvbox.com/cast/17f21565b901d1f023a31587449c6aa1.jpg
Daughter Noora Hashemmi
http://aksiato.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Noora-hashemi-raghs-3.jpg
http://aksiato.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Noora-hashemi-raghs-1.jpg
Noora Hashemi with Husband
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http://cdn-tehran.wisgoon.com/dlir-s3/10531407841343585243.jpeg
FinalFlash
12-08-2019, 07:51 PM
You either purposely select Iranid Iranians for us to classify or Iranians are the most homogenous looking group of people ever. :D
Robust Iranid
Iranid + slight Caspid
lameduck
12-08-2019, 07:55 PM
Nser Hashmi is proto iranid
daughter noora is iranid proper
husband is irano med
Oghuz
12-08-2019, 07:56 PM
You either purposely select Iranid Iranians for us to classify or Iranians are the most homogenous looking group of people ever. :D
decide for yourself with multiple crowd photos
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?14623-Persians&p=6024578&viewfull=1#post6024578
Oghuz
12-08-2019, 07:56 PM
Robust Iranid
Iranid + slight Caspid
I had caspid in mind when I posted them
I have no idea why people classified the guy as Iranid while he is a brachy lmao
Avicenna
12-08-2019, 08:30 PM
You either purposely select Iranid Iranians for us to classify or Iranians are the most homogenous looking group of people ever. :D
Iranians are quite homogenous tbh, they all have this look. Excluding the obvious extremes such as afro Iranians and balochis
lameduck
12-08-2019, 08:32 PM
Iranians are quite homogenous tbh, they all have this look. Excluding the obvious extremes such as afro Iranians and balochis
yeah there most country is situated on a single geography entity iranian plateau , while compare this to Pakistan that straddles all iranian , eurasian and indian plates.
Oghuz
12-08-2019, 08:34 PM
yeah there most country is situated on a single geography entity iranian plateau , while compare this to Pakistan that straddles all iranian , eurasian and indian plates.
Iranian population also look exclusively different from neighbors. Overlaps are missing IMO. Its like we are a large inbred nation.
Bakha
12-08-2019, 08:37 PM
It’s interesting that Persians on average (not all), despite their pigmentation, have rather Europoid/proper facial features in comparison to their Arab neighborhoods.
Babak
12-08-2019, 08:50 PM
Iranian population also look exclusively different from neighbors. Overlaps are missing IMO. Its like we are a large inbred nation.
Its the same with every nation tbh. Saudis are the same
Oghuz
12-08-2019, 08:52 PM
Its the same with every nation tbh. Saudis are the same
I would disagree, generally speaking Saudi appearance overlaps with Yemenis IMO.
lameduck
12-08-2019, 08:59 PM
I would disagree, generally speaking Saudi appearance overlaps with Yemenis IMO.
saudis also have decent enough overlap with levantines , but levantines on these boards are perceived as much lighter than gulf arabs.
Iranian population also look exclusively different from neighbors. Overlaps are missing IMO. Its like we are a large inbred nation.
I disagree, like most countries Iranians living closer to their borders overlap with their geographical neighbors and just calling them “inbred nation” is just too extreme because he genetic makeup indicates the otherwise
Avicenna
12-08-2019, 11:48 PM
It’s interesting that Persians on average (not all), despite their pigmentation, have rather Europoid/proper facial features in comparison to their Arab neighborhoods.
I've always wondered the same too. Arabs including Levantines( yes Jews too) have this semetic vibe about them, even when they are depigmented. Think someone like bashar Al assad or Nancy ajram. Yeah sure they could pass off as southern euros but somehting is speficially Levantine about them. Could the same thing be said about Iranians? Maybe. Afghans? I don't think so... There are psuedo euro looking types that are identical to Europeans, which begs the question, how?
FinalFlash
12-08-2019, 11:58 PM
I've always wondered the same too. Arabs including Levantines( yes Jews too) have this semetic vibe about them, even when they are depigmented. Think someone like bashar Al assad or Nancy ajram. Yeah sure they could pass off as southern euros but somehting is speficially Levantine about them. Could the same thing be said about Iranians? Maybe. Afghans? I don't think so... There are psuedo euro looking types that are identical to Europeans, which begs the question, how?
Higher steppe admix in Iranic-speakers with less Levantine-like affinities. If Iranians on average had double the amount of steppe they do now, they would probably look generic Euro for the most part.
Oghuz
12-08-2019, 11:59 PM
Higher steppe admix in Iranic-speakers with less Levantine-like affinities. If Iranians on average had double the amount of steppe they do now, they would probably look generic Euro for the most part.
I think the lightest Iranians are Caspians and they have usually the least steppe.
Kamal900
12-09-2019, 12:01 AM
I think the lightest Iranians are Caspians and they have usually the least steppe.
True. They're genetically very neolithic Iranians in contrast to Persians and Kurds.
FinalFlash
12-09-2019, 12:02 AM
I think the lightest Iranians are Caspians and they have usually the least steppe.
Based off my limited runs with Iranians, the disparity in Steppe admix. is really down to a couple of percent. Iranians generally average around 20% Steppe, which is the highest in West Asia along with Azeris, Turks excluded of course.
Oghuz
12-09-2019, 12:05 AM
Based off my limited runs with Iranians, the disparity in Steppe admix. is really down to a couple of percent. Iranians generally average around 20% Steppe, which is the highest in West Asia along with Azeris, Turks excluded of course.
I wonder what my steppe % would be. I want it least.
FinalFlash
12-09-2019, 12:07 AM
I wonder what my steppe % would be. I want it least.
It would probably be around the same range as Azerbaijanis, more or less. Why do you want it least?
Oghuz
12-09-2019, 12:10 AM
It would probably be around the same range as Azerbaijanis, more or less. Why do you want it least?
I see it as foreign component. Not the part of continuity of Iranian identity.
Its hypocrisy on my part because I am a proper genetic Turk, an invader of Iran myself.
FinalFlash
12-09-2019, 12:13 AM
I see it as foreign component. Not the part of continuity of Iranian identity.
Its hypocrisy on my part because I am a proper genetic Turk, an invader of Iran myself.
I'm not sure but I think even Bronze Age Iranian people would consist of different components as well. If that's how you feel, wouldn't the Iranian languages be considered foreign as well?
Avicenna
12-09-2019, 12:14 AM
Higher steppe admix in Iranic-speakers with less Levantine-like affinities. If Iranians on average had double the amount of steppe they do now, they would probably look generic Euro for the most part.
Yeah I guess. If you lower the neolithic ancestry in iranics and add more steppe, they would look like generic balkanites imo. Pamiris are arguably the closest to this although they have substantial amount of Iranian neolithic ancestry.
FinalFlash
12-09-2019, 12:15 AM
Yeah I guess. If you lower the neolithic ancestry in iranics and add more steppe, they would look like generic balkanites imo. Pamiris are arguably the closest to this although they have substantial amount of Iranian neolithic ancestry.
If by Neolithic you mean Iran_N then yes I think they would resemble Balkan people. Though I'm not sure if Iranians have much EEF.
Avicenna
12-09-2019, 12:15 AM
I wonder what my steppe % would be. I want it least.
Ahh come on bro, the steppe herders are epic folks. I'm sure you will regret these words tomorrow mornings :)
Avicenna
12-09-2019, 12:16 AM
If by Neolithic you mean Iran_N then yes I think they would resemble Balkan people. Though I'm not sure if Iranians have much EEF.
Agreed
Oghuz
12-09-2019, 12:17 AM
I'm not sure but I think even Bronze Age Iranian people would consist of different components as well. If that's how you feel, wouldn't the Iranian languages be considered foreign as well?
I know what you are implying. Its hypocrisy on my part because Iranian identity itself is a mixture of foreign + native components. I just feel more closer to neolithic Iranian identity more.
Oghuz
12-09-2019, 12:17 AM
If by Neolithic you mean Iran_N then yes I think they would resemble Balkan people. Though I'm not sure if Iranians have much EEF.
What was the proposed phenotype of Steppe folks ?
lameduck
12-09-2019, 12:19 AM
I see it as foreign component. Not the part of continuity of Iranian identity.
Its hypocrisy on my part because I am a proper genetic Turk, an invader of Iran myself.
it is not foriegn, steppe along with gedrosia/iran neo are two components that are an organic part of genetic makeup of indo iranians which ultimately resulted in formation of their identities. If you go some time back than every thing is foriegn you have to draw line somewhere on timeline e.g many dravadian nationalists in india see aryan influence to be outsider when the reality is ASI is also outsder and it arrived from outside in india.
FinalFlash
12-09-2019, 12:24 AM
I know what you are implying. Its hypocrisy on my part because Iranian identity itself is a mixture of foreign + native components. I just feel more closer to neolithic Iranian identity more.
What was the proposed phenotype of Steppe folks ?
Yeah I think you should be proud of all your components. Without them, you wouldn't be you as corny as that sounds lol.
The Steppe people were largely EHG and CHG if I'm not mistaken so they would probably resemble modern day East Europeans. Then again, there were several steppe cultures who were by no means a monolith genetically speaking. For us, we supposedly got our steppe admix, among other things from bronze age Armenians who were about 25-30% steppe on average based off my runs. Iranians probably got their steppe from a different culture. I'm sure one of our more knowledgeable users like Mingle could probably enlighten you with this.
Babak
12-09-2019, 12:44 AM
Yeah I think you should be proud of all your components. Without them, you wouldn't be you as corny as that sounds lol.
The Steppe people were largely EHG and CHG if I'm not mistaken so they would probably resemble modern day East Europeans. Then again, there were several steppe cultures who were by no means a monolith genetically speaking. For us, we supposedly got our steppe admix, among other things from bronze age Armenians who were about 25-30% steppe on average based off my runs. Iranians probably got their steppe from a different culture. I'm sure one of our more knowledgeable users like Mingle could probably enlighten you with this.
Proto-Indo Iranians resembled East europeans. Bronze age Iranics or Early Iranics probably resembled Pamiris and Yaghnobis.
I know what you are implying. Its hypocrisy on my part because Iranian identity itself is a mixture of foreign + native components. I just feel more closer to neolithic Iranian identity more.
Azeris are the least Neolithic group in Iran.
Oghuz
12-09-2019, 02:13 PM
Azeris are the least Neolithic group in Iran.
I explained very openly the hypocrisy on my part.
Hajimurad
12-09-2019, 02:37 PM
Did Persians (from South) and other Iranic-speaking groups migrate to Gilan and Mazandaran? I know only about Kurdish tribes settled by Abbas I and Agha Muhammad Qajar.
Pater Patota
12-09-2019, 03:02 PM
OP is trolling, they're not Iranians, they're Sicilians.
Hashoeva
12-09-2019, 03:34 PM
Iranian population also look exclusively different from neighbors. Overlaps are missing IMO. Its like we are a large inbred nation.
I dont think so. Many Iranians can pass as Arabs to Pakistanis.
Hashoeva
12-09-2019, 03:58 PM
It’s interesting that Persians on average (not all), despite their pigmentation, have rather Europoid/proper facial features in comparison to their Arab neighborhoods.
You call this "europoid"? Lol. The average non cherry picked Iranians can pass in the Arab countries easily.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IranWommenFootball_Feature.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-805fde00c06b2fffcd0ffec6f35a46c8.webp
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/9909244-3x2-700x467.jpg
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/12/20/world/20iran3/merlin_164719092_9f52cb51-a070-4e5a-901b-347c393a2480-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg
Babak
12-09-2019, 05:01 PM
You call this "europoid"? Lol. The average non cherry picked Iranians can pass in the Arab countries easily.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IranWommenFootball_Feature.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-805fde00c06b2fffcd0ffec6f35a46c8.webp
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/9909244-3x2-700x467.jpg
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/12/20/world/20iran3/merlin_164719092_9f52cb51-a070-4e5a-901b-347c393a2480-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg
Levantines and Iraqis probably yes. Saudis and yemenis? Nah dont think so. Iranians mostly resemble south caucasian populations more than Arab ones tbh.
Oghuz
12-09-2019, 09:56 PM
You call this "europoid"? Lol.
Do not get triggered for nothing. No Iranian calls themselves Europoid or European because we are not.
Here are pics of crowds from all over Iran and it will give you an idea how we like look like. Iranid skull shape is very progressive. More progressive then most of the highly populated European types like alpine. Arabid phenotype itself is east med Orientalid which overlaps with Iranid. Look at the skull length trait of an average Iranian.
https://ak5.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5388035/thumb/8.jpg
https://media-us-west-motionelements.s3.amazonaws.com/m/s/311/3114658/a-0211.jpg
https://th.thgim.com/news/international/73v986/article26235793.ece/alternates/FREE_660/IRANREVOLUTIONANNIVERSARYTIMELINE
https://gdb.rferl.org/F0D04EF4-8BD5-43E0-AC58-B0CAE44D5916_w1023_r1_s.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b175ee76dcad2cd3b945504e34efe3c0
https://ak3.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5387693/thumb/1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Farewell_to_Body_of_Martyr_Mohsen_Hojaji_in_Mashha d_04_%282%29.jpg
https://gdb.rferl.org/27D3CEBB-FC3A-4E12-96E3-81B5C4818140_w1023_r1_s.jpg
https://gdb.rferl.org/508179B3-5381-4E39-9040-252EAC54A2F5_w408_r1_s.jpg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/D979/production/_100237655_gettyimages-695311082.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/946360222309928960/pu/img/m7EdoLu3RQRz9TVT.jpg
Oghuz
12-10-2019, 10:13 PM
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