Post your North african score on K36

[Nassbean]

I'm moroccan and I scored this amount of NA : 30.02 %

[Rocinante]

4.27 Pct

[Helen]

North_African 3.98%

[Adamm]

North_African 31.78 Pct

[Coastal Elite]

North_African -

[samario]

North African 1.40 Pct

[Nassbean]

North_African -

https://media.giphy.com/media/OjGUvpfVI8SBNSEbo7/giphy.gif

[marco]

0.76 percent

[marco]

I'm moroccan and I scored this amount of NA : 30.02 %
What’s your iberomaurusian percentage on G25

[Nassbean]

What’s your iberomaurusian percentage on G25

Don't have it unfortunately but I have some results from people of North morocco if you want to know ( idk if Adamm has his G25 results)

[marco]

Don't have it unfortunately but I have some results from people of North morocco if you want to know ( idk if Adamm has his G25 results)
That’s cool his Zenati so his results are a little different from Rif

[marco]

Don't have it unfortunately but I have some results from people of North morocco if you want to know ( idk if Adamm has his G25 results)
You got any north Moroccan Rif cords that would be helpful thanks

[Nassbean]

You got any north Moroccan Rif cords that would be helpful thanks

I have these two :

https://i.imgur.com/vnnFo2i.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wSm7Ys3.jpg

[asuvis]

0.

[Nassbean]

0.

You're georgian?

[Kyp]

0.00

[asuvis]

You're georgian?

In part yes, more Ruthenian than Georgian though.

[gadele]

<tbody>
North_African

3.83 Pct


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[marco]

I have these two :

https://i.imgur.com/vnnFo2i.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wSm7Ys3.jpg
Could I get there contact info please

[Nassbean]

Could I get there contact info please

I'll send you a pm

[marco]

I'll send you a pm
Thank you

[Bakha]

NULL
FEELS GREAT MAN

[Pedro Ruben]

North_African: 5.98 Pct

[SUPREEEEEME]

2.47%

[Hapanuwa]

0.65%

[Nazarene]

0 :(

[Kyp]

0.00
Father: 0.00
Mother: 0.00

No Harissa for me

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

5.12%

[Dna8]

17.20

[Nassbean]

0 :(

https://media.giphy.com/media/l22ysLe54hZP0wubek/source.gif

[OrhanU]

Supposed to have some but 0 %

[PT Tagus]

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 3.91 Pct
Armenian -
Basque 5.05 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.95 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.34 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.10 Pct
East_Med 6.25 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 2.56 Pct
French 13.43 Pct
Iberian 18.07 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.71 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.30 Pct
North_African 5.99 Pct
North_Atlantic 8.78 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.17 Pct
North_Sea 5.97 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 1.73 Pct
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 3.69 Pct

[Lemgrant]

North_African
https://i.imgur.com/jXqtcsp.png
https://i.imgur.com/9HhV8tJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/IHgQDfQ.png

Northeast_African
https://i.imgur.com/ylSFi82.png
https://i.imgur.com/XMTqaRV.png

[Nassbean]

bump

[Dušan]

North_African 0.12 Pct

[Chaos One]

5.21

[nittionia]

First is with my 23andme, second is with my combined kit from gedmatch.. before my ancestrydna updated I had a few percent North African and Iberian... peculiar to say the least
https://i.imgur.com/9YLoe4U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vwzn2Ap.jpg

[Nassbean]

First is with my 23andme, second is with my combined kit from gedmatch.. before my ancestrydna updated I had a few percent North African and Iberian... peculiar to say the least
https://i.imgur.com/9YLoe4U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vwzn2Ap.jpg

It probably comes from your iberian ancestors so it makes sense

[PAGANE]

North_African-0
Central_African-0
East_African-0
Northeast_African-0
West_African-0

[nittionia]

It probably comes from your iberian ancestors so it makes sense

Probably :) I just wish it hadn’t disappeared in the new update

[grecoroman]

3.57%

[Nassbean]

3.57%

30.57% you mean

[dududud]

zero

[Zuh]

North_African 4.30 Pct

[Hapanuwa]

0.65% NA

[Dna8]

23.43 % NA

[Impaler]

23.43 % NA

http://i.imgur.com/uHtFahJ.gif (https://imgur.com/uHtFahJ)

[Dna8]

http://i.imgur.com/uHtFahJ.gif (https://imgur.com/uHtFahJ)

https://d1q0twczwkl2ie.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/15959427974_9a2d7a80e0_k.jpg

[Erronkari]

Noth_African: 1.03

[altaic]

North_African -

[Elias.99]

16.26%

[Gota_type_]

In some Eurogenes calculators (K13 and K15) most Europeans get "north-african" although in 0.- to 2-3%. In reality it is not north-african but ancient common autosomal blood that is shared by all caucasoid groups (northafricans are part caucasoid) but some populations (specially in central or north-europe) have it more dilluted or inexistent.

[Nassbean]

In some Eurogenes calculators (K13 and K15) most Europeans get "north-african" although in 0.- to 2-3%. In reality it is not north-african but ancient common autosomal blood that is shared by all caucasoid groups (northafricans are part caucasoid) but some populations (specially in central or north-europe) have it more dilluted or inexistent.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about you're simply blinded by your hatred but this is the reality :


Southwestern European populations average between 4% and 20% of their genomes assigned to a North African ancestral cluster (SI Appendix, Fig.S3), whereas this value does not exceed 2% in southeastern European populations

https://i.imgur.com/itdcXxB.png
https://i.imgur.com/y2Wc2ST.png


Haplotype-based estimates of genetic sharing between Europe and Africa show a significant latitudinal gradient where the highest sharing is in the Iberian Peninsula.


We have shown that recent North African ancestry is highest in southwestern Europe and decreases in northern latitudes, with a sharp difference between the Iberian Peninsula and France, where Basques are less influenced by North Africa (as suggested in ref. 48). Our estimates of shared ancestry are much higher than previously reported (up to 20% of the European individuals’ genomes). This increase in inferred African ancestry in Europe is due to our inclusion of seven North African,rather than Sub-Saharan African populations. Specifically, elevated shared African ancestry in Iberia and the Canary Islands can be traced to populations in the North African Maghreb such as Moroccans, Western Saharans, and the Tunisian Berbers

source : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237018043_Gene_flow_from_North_Africa_contributes_ to_differential_human_genetic_diversity_in_souther n_Europe

[Morena]

North_African 6.43 Pct

[Gota_type_]

You clearly don´t know what you are talking about since you are full of hate against us Spaniards:

"4% and 20% of their genomes assigned to a North African ancestral cluster (SI Appendix, Fig.S3), whereas this value does not exceed 2% in southeastern European populations"

Can you realize that they are saying the SAME than what I am saying? 2% in Southern European populations and in most of Europe (K13 and K15) they have 0.5-0.9% northafrican. In Spain it is 3-4%. The only place in Europe where it could reach a 20% (and I really question it) is in Canarias since they had living bereberes until 500 years ago: the guanches, which are different from average Spaniards. So, do you get it moro? All Europeans have it and in Spain is not different than in Italy where there was no muslim invasion.

And in Spain, it is in Galicia (totally north-west) where they have a 4% (the highest in Spain). Funny since they NEVER had any muslim-north-african in the last 3 millenia. It is not "north-african" but pure ancestral caucasoid that is common between all caucasoids (but in central Europe they will have less since they have more genetic variability.



You clearly don't know what you're talking about you're simply blinded by your hatred but this is the reality :



https://i.imgur.com/itdcXxB.png
https://i.imgur.com/y2Wc2ST.png





source : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237018043_Gene_flow_from_North_Africa_contributes_ to_differential_human_genetic_diversity_in_souther n_Europe

[Gota_type_]

And by the way, it also depends on how they did their scientific paper. There are tons of scientific papers that state that there is no north-african in southern Europe. So, if you cherrypick the one that is worst against us, it is normal. If your scientific paper took just 50 samples from Spain and they TOOK the most ethnic looking Spaniards (to make the purpose of finding north-african) then it is normal, and even with that the north-african is like 3-4%. With "North-african" it can be stated that it could be fully white genes from ancient times.

You moros of today are mulattoes. Moros 1000 years ago were pure caucasoids (like you can see in many contemporary miniatures). Those are the genes we are talking about: pure white genes (ancient genes), which north-africans had in part and they are not shown since you slaved many subsharans for centuries. It is like saying that Obama can claim his Irish legacy since he is 50% white irish. North-africans had "white" or pure caucasoid blood that is not seen anymore since you are now mulattoes like Obama.

Stop hating others. Go back to the Atlas if you are so "amazigh proud". Proud of what?? LOL!

[Grace O'Malley]

North_African -

The only exotic thing I get on K36 is some Caucasus

North_Caucasian 1.38 Pct
West_Caucasian 1.94 Pct

[Leto]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about you're simply blinded by your hatred but this is the reality :



https://i.imgur.com/itdcXxB.png
https://i.imgur.com/y2Wc2ST.png





source : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237018043_Gene_flow_from_North_Africa_contributes_ to_differential_human_genetic_diversity_in_souther n_Europe
I don't understand you. Do you think the Iberians are Moros that should be re-northafricanized (through mass migration and Islamization) or do you consider them white and fully different from the North Africans? I have read conflicting statements from you.

[Synapsid]

I don't understand you. Do you think the Iberians are Moros that should be re-northafricanized (through mass migration and Islamization) or do you consider them white and fully different from the North Africans? I have read conflicting statements from you.

They are Europeans who have a greater shift toward Amazigh compared other Europeans. That most logical answer because its the objectivity honest answer.

[Leto]

They are Europeans who have a greater shift toward Amazigh compared other Europeans. That most logical answer because its the objectivity honest answer.
Sorry, mate, that question wasn't addressed to you. I don't even know who you are, you popped up a few days ago. Don't pick on me, okay?

[Kyp]

They are Europeans who have a greater shift toward Amazigh compared other Europeans. That most logical answer because its the objectivity honest answer.

Iberian and Berber/NA relation is vastly overrated. A friggin Bedouin is closer to a Greek than Berbers are to Iberians.

[Synapsid]

Iberian and Berber/NA relation is vastly overrated. A friggin Bedouin is closer to a Greek than Berbers are to Iberians.

Berbers have neolithic Iberian farmer ancestry that replaced or absorbed the Native Iberomaurusian. Its the Arrival of Rhineish Bell Beaker to Iberia that changed the relationship IMO. And do you mean by a Bedouin being closer to a Greek? In what way? East Med?

[Gota_type_]

They are Europeans who have a greater shift toward Amazigh compared other Europeans. That most logical answer because its the objectivity honest answer.

You ignorant. We have NOTHING shifted towards amazigh groups. It is like saying that people in Germany have a shift towards Jordania because they get a 1-2% in the Red Sea category in Eurogenes.

We have no bereber blood in Spain. It is you north-africans that share an ancient autosomal category with all Europeans. It is your caucasoid side. Nothing to do with "north-africa" or "berebers" but old caucasoid blood, that all Europeans have it, although those from central Europe have it in a lesser degree (0.5-0.9%) because they have more genetic variability. In Spain we have less genetic variability and that is why we retain more old caucasoid autosommal genes. So, how do you explain that even in Germany people score a 1% in North-Africa in Eurogenes K13? Are they berebered shifted also? And Italians?

It is you northafricans that have some common ancestry with old Europeans, but we can´t see it now since most of you look like mulattoes. 1000 years ago most north-africans looked 100% caucasoids (it can be seen in the miniatures of the time). After centuries of north-africans slaving subsaharans now you look like mulattoes.

[Kyp]

Berbers have neolithic Iberian farmer ancestry that replaced or absorbed the Native Iberomaurusian. Its the Arrival of Rhineish Bell Beaker to Iberia that changed the relationship IMO. And do you mean by a Bedouin being closer to a Greek? In what way? East Med?

In terms of plotting.

[Leto]

You moros of today are mulattoes. Moros 1000 years ago were pure caucasoids (like you can see in many contemporary miniatures). Those are the genes we are talking about: pure white genes (ancient genes), which north-africans had in part and they are not shown since you slaved many subsharans for centuries. It is like saying that Obama can claim his Irish legacy since he is 50% white irish. North-africans had "white" or pure caucasoid blood that is not seen anymore since you are now mulattoes like Obama.

Well, to be fair, one doesn't need to be 100% something to consider it part of their heritage.

[Synapsid]

You ignorant. We have NOTHING shifted towards amazigh groups. It is like saying that people in Germany have a shift towards Jordania because they get a 1-2% in the Red Sea category in Eurogenes.

We have no bereber blood in Spain. It is you north-africans that share an ancient autosomal category with all Europeans. It is your caucasoid side. Nothing to do with "north-africa" or "berebers" but old caucasoid blood, that all Europeans have it, although those from central Europe have it in a lesser degree (0.5-0.9%) because they have more genetic variability. In Spain we have less genetic variability and that is why we retain more old caucasoid autosommal genes. So, how do you explain that even in Germany people score a 1% in North-Africa in Eurogenes K13? Are they berebered shifted also? And Italians?

It is you northafricans that have some common ancestry with old Europeans, but we can´t see it now since most of you look like mulattoes. 1000 years ago most north-africans looked 100% caucasoids (it can be seen in the miniatures of the time). After centuries of north-africans slaving subsaharans now you look like mulattoes.

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774

Iberian are much closer to other Europeans than to NW African, true. Spaniards and Belorussian are much closer to each other than to coastal Amazigh. But be honest, who going to be closer to a Kabyle or Riffian? An Belorussian or a Western Spaniard? There is a East West gradation of NA ancestry in Iberia that dates mostly to the Pre-Roman and Roman era (South Andalusians were wiped out during the reconquesta, so S.W Spaniards despite being geographically closer to NA, has less NA admixture than Nothern Galicians for example)

[Synapsid]

In terms of plotting.

In some PCA plots, a Half Native American and Half SSA plots as a European. You have to give context.

[Kyp]

In some PCA plots, a Half Native American and Half SSA plots as a European. You have to give context.

There is some kind of affinity (obviously due to geography) but as I said : overrated

Distance to: Bedouin
19.06979287 Greek_Cypriot
22.23016475 Greek_Dodecanese
24.06085618 Greek_Symi_Island
24.19490442 Greek_Cappadocian
24.62299738 Greek_Chios
24.98738282 Moroccan_Jew
26.91929791 Moroccan
27.17392500 Mozabite_Berber


Distance to: Moroccan
4.51424412 Mozabite_Berber
23.44560726 Moroccan_Jew
37.87462475 Spanish_Extremadura
38.55865921 Portuguese
39.15605062 Spanish_Galicia
39.22428839 Spanish_Andalucia
39.41337336 Spanish_Murcia
40.47711576 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
40.95685779 Spanish_Valencia
41.06140645 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
42.34198744 Spanish_Cataluna
43.12880940 Spanish_Cantabria
43.62651946 Spanish_Aragon

[Abdelnour]

North_African 0.79 Pct

East Med, however:
East_Med 32.59 Pct

[Synapsid]

Distance to: Bedouin
19.06979287 Greek_Cypriot
22.23016475 Greek_Dodecanese
24.06085618 Greek_Symi_Island
24.19490442 Greek_Cappadocian
24.62299738 Greek_Chios
24.98738282 Moroccan_Jew
26.91929791 Moroccan
27.17392500 Mozabite_Berber


Distance to: Moroccan
4.51424412 Mozabite_Berber
23.44560726 Moroccan_Jew
37.87462475 Spanish_Extremadura
38.55865921 Portuguese
39.15605062 Spanish_Galicia
39.22428839 Spanish_Andalucia
39.41337336 Spanish_Murcia
40.47711576 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
40.95685779 Spanish_Valencia
41.06140645 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
42.34198744 Spanish_Cataluna
43.12880940 Spanish_Cantabria
43.62651946 Spanish_Aragon

Its the Bell Beaker in Iberians and SSA in modern NW African that can create distances. There is a difference between affinity and real ancestry. For examples, you have a half Nigerian half Swedish guy and you a full Finnish guy and you looking to see who has real Swedish ancestry. The Finnish guy is far more genetically closer to a full Swede than the half Nigerian half Swede, but you look at recent real ancestry, the Half Swede has the actual Swedish ancestry not the Full Finn. Apply that same principle with Berbers and Iberians.

[waam]

1.87%
Part Libyan but no so much genetically. :rolleyes:

[Gota_type_]

So, a chinese can claim Finnish (from Finland) heritage since Finnish people have a 6-7% uralid (East Asian) ancient genes? Great to know it.

[Ritz06]

0.00

[Gota_type_]

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774

Iberian are much closer to other Europeans than to NW African, true. Spaniards and Belorussian are much closer to each other than to coastal Amazigh. But be honest, who going to be closer to a Kabyle or Riffian? An Belorussian or a Western Spaniard? There is a East West gradation of NA ancestry in Iberia that dates mostly to the Pre-Roman and Roman era (South Andalusians were wiped out during the reconquesta, so S.W Spaniards despite being geographically closer to NA, has less NA admixture than Nothern Galicians for example)

So, you said that Spaniards "are shifted to Amazighs" and now you say that we are just genetically "closer", as if this meant something. Ridiculous.

And Galicia is the most western area in Spain, north-western. And they have the highest """north-african""". So, does this not make you to take a conclussion also considering that north-africans score like 20-30% "Iberian" in genetic charts??? Maybe that is were the caucasoid part of northafricans come: an ancient common pure caucasoid substrate that exist in all caucaosoid groups all over Europe in different degrees. If not, how would you explain the 0.5-1% North-African that exist in the Dutch or Swiss? It can´t be explained by old colonization, so it is just a common caucasoid group of people that someone has labeled it as "north-african", when in reality is just old "white" blood.

[Synapsid]

So, a chinese can claim Finnish (from Finland) heritage since Finnish people have a 6-7% uralid (East Asian) ancient genes? Great to know it.

Finns are much closer to Iberian than to a East Asians, but Finnics have greater affinity to East Asian compared a Spaniard. That is the Crux of the my argument. I am not saying Spaniards are not Europeans or heavily mixed.

[Leto]

So, a chinese can claim Finnish (from Finland) heritage since Finnish people have a 6-7% uralid (East Asian) ancient genes? Great to know it.
The Chinese have no shared ancestry with the Finns and the other way around. At least nothing remotely "recent". Your example was Barack Obama whose mother was white with traceable Irish ancestry.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c5/2a/98/c52a98776b864c9f297f8b02229804ab.jpg
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53864623_2375117576062575_7822105266811305984_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQnTwmiKr-wimGO7TM2cSvYk6giyiDo1ZyooZRS0bKoAueHs7FmUTI3MFE8R xh6EBu8&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=95af6a4a4661702d726ec2e24986b854&oe=5EA1B957
https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/3c91e35/2147483647/resize/403x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fcapny%2Ff iles%2Fa-rice-obamasr_0.jpg

[Synapsid]

So, you said that Spaniards "are shifted to Amazighs" and now you say that we are just genetically "closer", as if this meant something. Ridiculous.

And Galicia is the most western area in Spain, north-western. And they have the highest """north-african""". So, does this not make you to take a conclussion also considering that north-africans score like 20-30% "Iberian" in genetic charts??? Maybe that is were the caucasoid part of northafricans come: an ancient common pure caucasoid substrate that exist in all caucaosoid groups all over Europe in different degrees. If not, how would you explain the 0.5-1% North-African that exist in the Dutch or Swiss? It can´t be explained by old colonization, so it is just a common caucasoid group of people that someone has labeled it as "north-african", when in reality is just old "white" blood.

North Africans were more impacted by Neolithic Iberian migrations than vice versa (there was no Iberomuasurians in Iberia), they look more 'Caucasoid' than before the Neolithic and have decreased Ancestral North African (ANA-an ancient component) because of Iberian farmers. its the Iberian in modern NW Africans that shifts Coastal Berbers to SW Europeans.

[Rædwald]

North_African 0.00 Pct

[Grace O'Malley]

The Chinese have no shared ancestry with the Finns and the other way around. At least nothing remotely "recent". Your example was Barack Obama whose mother was white with traceable Irish ancestry.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c5/2a/98/c52a98776b864c9f297f8b02229804ab.jpg
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53864623_2375117576062575_7822105266811305984_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQnTwmiKr-wimGO7TM2cSvYk6giyiDo1ZyooZRS0bKoAueHs7FmUTI3MFE8R xh6EBu8&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=95af6a4a4661702d726ec2e24986b854&oe=5EA1B957
https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/3c91e35/2147483647/resize/403x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fcapny%2Ff iles%2Fa-rice-obamasr_0.jpg

Not to be petty because it doesn't change what you were saying but Obama's mother Ann Dunham was of overwhelmingly English stock. The Irish was just made a fuss about (a lot of that in Ireland as well) but it was only about 3%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

[Centurion]

0.21%

[Nassbean]

You clearly don´t know what you are talking about since you are full of hate against us Spaniards:

"4% and 20% of their genomes assigned to a North African ancestral cluster (SI Appendix, Fig.S3), whereas this value does not exceed 2% in southeastern European populations"

Can you realize that they are saying the SAME than what I am saying? 2% in Southern European populations and in most of Europe (K13 and K15) they have 0.5-0.9% northafrican. In Spain it is 3-4%. The only place in Europe where it could reach a 20% (and I really question it) is in Canarias since they had living bereberes until 500 years ago: the guanches, which are different from average Spaniards. So, do you get it moro? All Europeans have it and in Spain is not different than in Italy where there was no muslim invasion.

And in Spain, it is in Galicia (totally north-west) where they have a 4% (the highest in Spain). Funny since they NEVER had any muslim-north-african in the last 3 millenia. It is not "north-african" but pure ancestral caucasoid that is common between all caucasoids (but in central Europe they will have less since they have more genetic variability.

The study clearly says that's it ranges between 4% and 20% so you can find people in iberia with 10% or 15% for example. Moreover the study clearly show that iberia is the european region with the most north african admixture.

"NEVER had any muslim-north-african in the last 3 millenia" LMAO reality doesn't agree with you :

https://i.imgur.com/IlcF4dm.jpg

Even before al andalus south-eastern iberians were mixed with north africans.

https://i.imgur.com/CZibLH9.jpg

source : https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_2.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/6HbbsS4.png


The post-Roman period in Iberia is yet to be studied in depth using ancient DNA. Our research focuses on understanding population genetic changes during this time in the Iberian Levante. This Mediterranean region is interesting because it became a cultural crossroads after intense Romanization, followed by a decline during the Visigothic era, a Byzantine invasion and later becoming a jewel of Islamic agriculture. The main focus of the research is on the Medieval Islamic period. During the five centuries of Islamic rule, and according to historical records, many Arab and North African settlers were attracted to Xarq Al-Andalus. We sequenced 13 early to late Medieval genomes with coverages ranging from 0.3X to 2.3X from the Valencian region in eastern Spain and discovered widespread North African admixture and foreign uniparental markers in the Andalusian Islamic rural society. These results are the more striking when compared to the modern Spanish population, which displays little surviving genomic evidence for this relatively recent admixture episode. We identify one major historical event in the 17th century, potentially responsible for the disappearance of the North African ancestry in eastern Spain. On the other hand, we did not find a clear Arab genetic contribution, consistent with the view that Arabs were a minority ruling elite. However, the genomic results of two samples dated to the 6th-7th century moment of the Byzantine invasion suggest that the admixture trend may have started earlier, during late Roman times. These two samples are father and daughter, found in a borderland territory between Visigothic and Byzantine rule, and display a significant degree of Near Eastern ancestry but with clear Iberian affinities. In conclusion, we see evidence that the Spanish Levante suffered two genetic transformations in a relatively short period of time -a few centuries -within the last thousand years. This dual genomic transformation saw the arrival of North African ancestry to eastern Iberia in high proportions only to later disappear almost completely. However, the North African genetic legacy in Spain survived in some ways until our days, mostly in the form of paternal lineages E1b and maternal lineages U6a which we clearly identified being introduced for the first time during the Islamic period.


African contacts are older than previously thought: The study found, at sites in Madrid and Cádiz, a couple of individuals with African descent who lived in the Peninsula about 4,000 years ago. These are sporadic contacts, but show that there was an African presence long before the arrival of Muslims on the Peninsula in the 8th century. The scientists also detected a gene flow from North Africa to the Southeast of the Peninsula in Punic and Roman times.


The researchers also analyzed two individuals of Visigothic origin at a site in Girona and several of Muslim origin in Granada, Valencia, Castellón and Vinaròs. These ‘ancient Iberians’ showed a North African genetic component of almost 50%, while in the current population it is 5%. “This North African ancestry was almost completely eliminated during the Reconquista and the subsequent expulsion of the Moors”, says Carles Lalueza-Fox, one of the directors of the study at the IBE.

https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/?fbclid=IwAR1HddH7i6DSciQLhuEjTjAjL9UQZZ40smvVGXz3 PPl2hNRRmzzOBFb2i-k

https://media.giphy.com/media/wrBURfbZmqqXu/source.gif

[Nassbean]

I don't understand you. Do you think the Iberians are Moros that should be re-northafricanized (through mass migration and Islamization) or do you consider them white and fully different from the North Africans? I have read conflicting statements from you.

They are "whites" with some north african ancestry and modern iberians are genetically distant from north africans

[Leto]

I don't think any Iberian can be modeled on G25 as 20% Berber. 10% at most.

[Samnium]

The study clearly says that's it ranges between 4% and 20% so you can find people in iberia with 10% or 15% for example. Moreover the study clearly show that iberia is the european region with the most north african admixture.

"NEVER had any muslim-north-african in the last 3 millenia" LMAO reality doesn't agree with you :

https://i.imgur.com/IlcF4dm.jpg

Even before al andalus south-eastern iberians were mixed with north africans.

https://i.imgur.com/CZibLH9.jpg

source : https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_2.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/6HbbsS4.png







https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/?fbclid=IwAR1HddH7i6DSciQLhuEjTjAjL9UQZZ40smvVGXz3 PPl2hNRRmzzOBFb2i-k

https://media.giphy.com/media/wrBURfbZmqqXu/source.gif

Don't know why they deny that, nobody here would deny that East Med population (Central Italians, Greeks, Albanians, Southern Italians) have some extra-CHG/Anatolian like ancestry, some having more exotic roots like Sicily (North Africa, Peninsular Arabia...).

[Samnium]

I don't think any Iberian can be modeled on G25 as 20% Berber. 10% at most.

20% would be canarian samples, regular iberians can get as much as 11%

[Leto]

20% would be canarian samples, regular iberians can get as much as 11%
A person I know got 4-5% Guanche or North African and he is half Valencian half Galician.

[Nassbean]

I don't think any Iberian can be modeled on G25 as 20% Berber. 10% at most.

20% is more for canaria

[Samnium]

A person I know got 4-5% Guanche or North African and he is half Valencian half Galician.

Valencians have much less NA that would explain these scores I think.

[Morena]

The study clearly says that's it ranges between 4% and 20% so you can find people in iberia with 10% or 15% for example. Moreover the study clearly show that iberia is the european region with the most north african admixture.

"NEVER had any muslim-north-african in the last 3 millenia" LMAO reality doesn't agree with you :

https://i.imgur.com/IlcF4dm.jpg

Even before al andalus south-eastern iberians were mixed with north africans.

https://i.imgur.com/CZibLH9.jpg

source : https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_2.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/6HbbsS4.png


https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/?fbclid=IwAR1HddH7i6DSciQLhuEjTjAjL9UQZZ40smvVGXz3 PPl2hNRRmzzOBFb2i-k

https://media.giphy.com/media/wrBURfbZmqqXu/source.gif

Maybe the wink should be at your direction, because your own source quote says that the North African was almost entirely eliminated during the Reconquista, going from 50% to 5%.

This North African ancestry was almost completely eliminated during the Reconquista and the subsequent expulsion of the Moors”, says Carles Lalueza-Fox, one of the directors of the study at the IBE.


Which is exactly what we've been trying to tell you guys. The ancestry is there but completely overrated. Do you really think that 5% defines a particular people? Stop with this nonsense. They don't cluster with you guys, not even close. They don't share any real heritage and only some practical words here and there.


Also, it only hits 20% at the Canary Islands. You should be aware that the Spanish are not natives of the CI, and therefore those Islands should not be taken into account when examining the true Iberian NA ancestry. How can anyone not accuse you of having a particular agenda when you add the Canary Islands? Remember, I score higher than everyone on here, including the Portuguese, because I have Canary Island ancestry.

4%, 5%, 6%, even 10% is much ado about nothing.


....
It's been used to deligetimize the Spanish' western heritage. Not very long ago, they were accused of not even being natives, but of being completely "replaced" and all of that nonsense. And then you have the users here who can't get over the fact that we broke up with them 500 years ago and constantly nag at us about it. It's not just North Africans, but Arabs too who cling to us like wraiths and ghouls. It's annoying.

For whatever reason, people with East Med ancestry are not generally treated this way, and neither is the East Med found in Iberians treated this way.

[Nassbean]

really some people are crazy here and it's always the same and they dare to say they are not complexed smh

[Leto]

Maybe the wink should be at your direction, because your own source quote says that the North African was almost entirely eliminated during the Reconquista, going from 50% to 5%.


Which is exactly what we've been trying to tell you guys. The ancestry is there but completely overrated. Do you really think that 5% defines a particular people? Stop with this nonsense. They don't cluster with you guys, not even close. They don't share any real heritage and only some practical words here and there.


Also, it only hits 20% at the Canary Islands. You should be aware that the Spanish are not natives of the CI, and therefore those Islands should not be taken into account when examining the true Iberian NA ancestry. How can anyone not accuse you of having a particular agenda when you add the Canary Islands? Remember, I score higher than everyone on here, including the Portuguese, because I have Canary Island ancestry.

4%, 5%, 6%, even 10% is much ado about nothing.
Do you have colonial Afro-Cuban ancestry? What are your African scores from K13 & 15?

[Nassbean]

Maybe the wink should be at your direction, because your own source quote says that the North African was almost entirely eliminated during the Reconquista, going from 50% to 5%.


Which is exactly what we've been trying to tell you guys. The ancestry is there but completely overrated. Do you really think that 5% defines a particular people? Stop with this nonsense. They don't cluster with you guys, not even close. They don't share any real heritage and only some practical words here and there.


Also, it only hits 20% at the Canary Islands. You should be aware that the Spanish are not natives of the CI, and therefore those Islands should not be taken into account when examining the true Iberian NA ancestry. How can anyone not accuse you of having a particular agenda when you add the Canary Islands? Remember, I score higher than everyone on here, including the Portuguese, because I have Canary Island ancestry.

4%, 5%, 6%, even 10% is much ado about nothing.


Yes but I wasn't answering to this I was answering to his statement about no north africans in iberia in the last 3 millenia ..As for the 5% it's the average because there are sometimes big contrasts between regions. Moreover it seems a lot of you still don't understand we're not complexed latinos/south europeans We are a proud people we don't want to be seen as iberians or close to you We're our own people and we're far from you genetically and phenotypically I was just stating some facts about the NA components in Iberia and there are always that bunch of complexed iberians that popped up.

[Morena]

Yes but I wasn't answering to this I was answering to his statement about no north africans in iberia in the last 3 millenia ..As for the 5% it's the average because there are sometimes big contrasts between regions. Moreover it seems a lot of you still don't understand we're not complexed latinos/south europeans We are a proud people we don't want to be seen as iberians or close to you We're our own people and we're far from you genetically and phenotypically I was just stating some facts about the NA components in Iberia and there are always that bunch of complexed iberians that popped up.

lol. You bring it up all the time. You even copy and paste certain segments, whole passages even, about it. You love stalking Spanish and Portuguese DNA score threads, asking for Gedmatch scores and comparing your haplogroups to ourselves, including mine. You add the Canary Islands, which no honest person would do when discussing this subject because the Canary islands are not a historical part of Spain and Iberians are not natives.

You know this always starts fights. At any rate, so far no one on here has a higher score than mine. :bored:


Do you have colonial Afro-Cuban ancestry? What are your African scores from K13 & 15?
K13 - 3.29
K15 - 2.88

[Nassbean]

lol. You bring it up all the time. You even copy and paste certain segments, whole passages even, about it. You love stalking Spanish and Portuguese DNA score threads, asking for Gedmatch scores and comparing your haplogroups to ourselves, including mine. You add the Canary Islands, which no honest person would do when discussing this subject because the Canary islands are not a historical part of Spain and Iberians are not natives.

You know this always starts fights. At any rate, so far no one on here has a higher score than mine. :bored:


K13 - 3.29
K15 - 2.88

Why do you lie like this ? I only participate in iberian threads when they talk about us (you can easily see all my posts on my profile) and today I didn't even start a damn thing with iberians it's this crazy new spanish account that kept harassing me on my threads ( again you can verify by yourself) Also wtf are you even talking about ? the studies I posted are about iberia not only canary islands (not my problem if these islands are part of spain) and your results aren't that high i've seen plenty of iberians with more as I said earlier there are sometimes big differences between regions.

I copy and paste certain segments not only for iberians but also for afrocentrists, eurocentrists, italians, etc I need to have strong arguments unlike my opponents who never bring scientific evidence only attacking me as a person. also wtf I've never compared my haplogroups I said my haplogroup can be from different sources and one of this possibility is iberia idk what's wrong with that.

[Chaos One]

What people seems to miss here is that having an specific background when using genetics isn't about one specific number. It's about an union of many values.

Plus, having something which is like 500 years away as a "background" is beyond naïve - IMO is very cringe, btw. The fact that Iberians can score 1% to 5% North African just means they have the same "poly-peptide" as North Africans, not that they share a near common ancestry. You cannot focus on 2% and forget how they can be different on those 98%. The distribution of numbers is more important than one alone.

[Nassbean]

What people seems to miss here is that having an specific background when using genetics isn't about one specific number. It's about an union of many values.

Plus, having something which is like 500 years away as a "background" is beyond naïve - IMO is very cringe, btw. The fact that Iberians can score 1% to 5% North African just means they have the same "poly-peptide" as North Africans, not that they share a near common ancestry. You cannot focus on 2% and forget how they can be different on those 98%. The distribution of numbers is more important than one alone.

Exactly in my case I've never denied this

[Numidia]

Why do you lie like this ? I only participate in iberian threads when they talk about us (you can easily see all my posts on my profile) and today I didn't even start a damn thing with iberians it's this crazy new spanish account that kept harassing me on my threads ( again you can verify by yourself) Also wtf are you even talking about ? the studies I posted are about iberia not only canary islands (not my problem if these islands are part of spain) and your results aren't that high i've seen plenty of iberians with more as I said earlier there are sometimes big differences between regions.

I copy and paste certain segments not only for iberians but also for afrocentrists, eurocentrists, italians, etc I need to have strong arguments unlike my opponents who never bring scientific evidence only attacking me as a person. also wtf I've never compared my haplogroups I said my haplogroup can be from different sources and one of this possibility is iberia idk what's wrong with that.

God iberians outcasts and leftovers of latin america are crazy as hell remember the brazilian boy who boasted of being german and was a mulatto 0% german

[Nassbean]

God iberians outcasts and leftovers of latin america are crazy as hell remember the brazilian boy who boasted of being german and was a mulatto 0% german

Yes most of them are crazy I brought evidence but it's still me who is wrong it seems and latinos by bashing us they indirectly trying to.escape their own. I have seen that most who bash us have a mixed ancestry ..instead of confronting their anger with those who reject them, most of the times euros, they bash or become hostile towards us as some kind of evidence of to "prove" towards those who reject them that they are "pure" breds. So in fact they are having an internal battle.

[Numidia]

Yes most of them are crazy I brought evidence but it's still me who is wrong it seems and latinos by bashing us they indirectly trying to.escape their own. I have seen that most who bash us have a mixed ancestry ..instead of confronting their anger with those who reject them, most of the times euros, they bash or become hostile towards us as some kind of evidence of to "prove" towards those who reject them that they are "pure" breds. So in fact they are having an internal battle.

Exactly it's well known that conquistadors came back to spain after making a fortune those who have migrated there are marginals and the poorest iberians I don't see australians who are sometimes fully british bootylicking u.k

[Gota_type_]

This is my last reply in this thread since it is obvious that you as moor have an agenda to try to portrait us Spaniards as something related to you. By the way, the picture that represents a "moor" in your profile in reality it is just a dark Spaniard that changed religion to islam. He looks like a dark a Spaniard, not a pure bereber.

1º. Can you get the idea that the scientific paper that you use is OLD and I can also show you dozens of other papers where it states that the % of "north-african" in Spain is equivalent to that of Italy, Balkans or other parts of Europe? Can you get the idea that "north-african" does not necesarily means "bereber" or anything related to muslims or it is not even "north-african" per se but just common ancient caucasoid blood?? Who gave the label to those genes as "north-african"?? Maybe the ones that labeled those genes as north-african labeled them 10 years ago (prehistoric in genetics) or maybe he is just mistaking common ancestry with descendants of. For example, in 23andme 2-3 years ago I had like 0.3 "North-African". Now I have 0.00%. They probably have realised that the old "north-african" label was stupid and that the "north-african" label only means: 100% caucasoid blood, aka white.

2º Do you realize that if the person that did that scientific paper with those maps extended the paper to France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland or the Balkans, they will also get "0-1-2% ""North-african""? But, hey, they just used Spain to tell if we had "north-african" when in reality is just pure ancient caucasoid blood (as you may know north-africans are part caucasoid, and that is where the relationship comes). Nothing about anything not white, not caucasoid. The components does not make us less European or less white. A different matter would be if we had 5% uralid, which is obviously a non-European characteristic. So, can you get the idea that the person that did (in prehistoric genetic times) that paper could have done the same paper (with those colourful maps) and in most of Europe it will be colored as "north-african" also. So, how did the north-africans reached most of Europe in ancient times?? That will show you that it is just a matter of labels. It is just common pure caucasoid blood shared by all caucasoid populations, like when many European get Red-Sea or SouthAsian. Pure caucasoid blood. It does not mean that people from South-Asia, Jordania or Morocco emmigrated to Europe and mixed. No. It means common basal ancient blood. Nothing else. I can picture many maps and put nice colours to pursue my idea of a label.

3. Did you know that most north-africans score 10-20% Iberian?? What does this mean according to you?? Does it means that in ancient times millions of Iberians (funny since we had a 2 million population 2000 years ago) went and lived in all of Northafrica??? No. It means that someone in the XXI century labeled some DNA segments as "Iberian" or "North-African" but it does not speak of mixing but a common ancestry (which in all caucasoids have a common base, yes, even people from Germany). The more variability exist in a population the less probability that they maintain an ancient component. That is why in the rest of Europe they get a 0.5-0.9% of north-africa" and that is why in Galicia (a place where there were zero northafrican invasions ever) scores a 4% (because Galicians in Spain are the most endogamic population). Can you imagine how retard would be those ""north-africans" that went to live to the corner of NW Spain instead of living in Cadiz (close to North-Africa)?? How is it possible that people in Cadiz (15 kms away from Northafrica) score less "north-african" than people in Galicia (NW Spain, 1000 kms away from north-africa)?? Were they retarded??

Period.


The study clearly says that's it ranges between 4% and 20% so you can find people in iberia with 10% or 15% for example. Moreover the study clearly show that iberia is the european region with the most north african admixture.

"NEVER had any muslim-north-african in the last 3 millenia" LMAO reality doesn't agree with you :

https://i.imgur.com/IlcF4dm.jpg

Even before al andalus south-eastern iberians were mixed with north africans.

https://i.imgur.com/CZibLH9.jpg

source : https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_2.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/6HbbsS4.png







https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/?fbclid=IwAR1HddH7i6DSciQLhuEjTjAjL9UQZZ40smvVGXz3 PPl2hNRRmzzOBFb2i-k

https://media.giphy.com/media/wrBURfbZmqqXu/source.gif

[Nassbean]

This is my last reply in this thread since it is obvious that you as moor have an agenda to try to portrait us Spaniards as something related to you. By the way, the picture that represents a "moor" in your profile in reality it is just a dark Spaniard that changed religion to islam. He looks like a dark a Spaniard, not a pure bereber.

1º. Can you get the idea that the scientific paper that you use is OLD and I can also show you dozens of other papers where it states that the % of "north-african" in Spain is equivalent to that of Italy, Balkans or other parts of Europe? Can you get the idea that "north-african" does not necesarily means "bereber" or anything related to muslims or it is not even "north-african" per se but just common ancient caucasoid blood?? Who gave the label to those genes as "north-african"?? Maybe the ones that labeled those genes as north-african labeled them 10 years ago (prehistoric in genetics) or maybe he is just mistaking common ancestry with descendants of. For example, in 23andme 2-3 years ago I had like 0.3 "North-African". Now I have 0.00%. They probably have realised that the old "north-african" label was stupid and that the "north-african" label only means: 100% caucasoid blood, aka white.

2º Do you realize that if the person that did that scientific paper with those maps extended the paper to France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland or the Balkans, they will also get "0-1-2% ""North-african""? But, hey, they just used Spain to tell if we had "north-african" when in reality is just pure ancient caucasoid blood (as you may know north-africans are part caucasoid, and that is where the relationship comes). Nothing about anything not white, not caucasoid. The components does not make us less European or less white. A different matter would be if we had 5% uralid, which is obviously a non-European characteristic. So, can you get the idea that the person that did (in prehistoric genetic times) that paper could have done the same paper (with those colourful maps) and in most of Europe it will be colored as "north-african" also. So, how did the north-africans reached most of Europe in ancient times?? That will show you that it is just a matter of labels. It is just common pure caucasoid blood shared by all caucasoid populations, like when many European get Red-Sea or SouthAsian. Pure caucasoid blood. It does not mean that people from South-Asia, Jordania or Morocco emmigrated to Europe and mixed. No. It means common basal ancient blood. Nothing else. I can picture many maps and put nice colours to pursue my idea of a label.

3. Did you know that most north-africans score 10-20% Iberian?? What does this mean according to you?? Does it means that in ancient times millions of Iberians (funny since we had a 2 million population 2000 years ago) went and lived in all of Northafrica??? No. It means that someone in the XXI century labeled some DNA segments as "Iberian" or "North-African" but it does not speak of mixing but a common ancestry (which in all caucasoids have a common base, yes, even people from Germany). The more variability exist in a population the less probability that they maintain an ancient component. That is why in the rest of Europe they get a 0.5-0.9% of north-africa" and that is why in Galicia (a place where there were zero northafrican invasions ever) scores a 4% (because Galicians in Spain are the most endogamic population). Can you imagine how retard would be those ""north-africans" that went to live to the corner of NW Spain instead of living in Cadiz (close to North-Africa)?? How is it possible that people in Cadiz (15 kms away from Northafrica) score less "north-african" than people in Galicia (NW Spain, 1000 kms away from north-africa)?? Were they retarded??

Period.

https://media.giphy.com/media/HPvfnOuz1tOgg/source.gif

wtf did I just read ?? hahah I always attract such low IQ it's incredible ...at least I've done my job and provided scientific studies meanwhile you have a crazy individual talking about "common caucasoid base" or " north africans doesn't necessarily mean bereber" Lol it just show how dishonest some of them are and it seems some of them still haven't understand that we don't want to associate or to claim anything.

Provide studies or get out of my thread.

[MustafaTekin]

North_African -

[mitalit]

North_African -

[Nassbean]

bump

[someonenotyou]

North African 0.25%

Just noise.

[Rokhan]

North African : 4.79 %

[gixajo]

North_African 2.97 Pct (Gedmatch)

[Ethel]

North_African 0.23 Pct

[Gallop]

Gedmatch K36

Gallop

North_African 3.96 Pct (FTDNA)

Father

North_African 3.02 Pct (FTDNA)

North_African 3.69 Pct (23andMe)

[bandoge]

North_African 2.8 Pct

[Rafael Passoni]

North_African -

[Roy]

I get 0

[Tongio]

3,9