Haplogroups and their subclades among ethnic Russians

[helg]

I have gathered some information for myself from various sources, and I hasten to share it with you.
The data on the main haplogroups (without subclades) is reliable, at the moment these are the most representative and popular data.

R1a – 52%
-----Z280 – 77%
----------Z92 – 33%
----------Y2902 – 28%
----------CTS3402 – 26%
-----M458 – 20%
----------CTS11962 – 74%
----------L260 – 26%
-----Z93 – 2%
-----Z284 – 1%

N1a – 16%
-----L1025 – 40% "South-Baltic", "Prusso-Lithuanian"
-----Z1936 – 27% "North European", "Finno-Karelian"
-----L1022 – 14% "North-Baltic", "West Chudes"
-----L550 – 10% "Scandinavian", "Rurikids"
-----Y9034 – 5% "Volga"
-----P34 – 4% "North-Uralic"

I2a – 10%
(Mostly L621)

I1 – 7%
(Mostly Germanic/Scandinavian/Varangian/Viking branches – CTS6364, M253, Z58, Z63)

R1b – 6%
-----Z2103 – 45%
-----U106 – 26%
-----U152 – 9%
-----P312 – 9%
-----P25*, M269*, M73 – 8%
-----L21 – 3%

E1b – 3%
(Mostly European V13)

Others (J1, J2, G2a, etc.) – 6%

[Artek]

Bad that I2 wasn't really broken down but still most of the ethnic Russian I2 is under here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120/ and the remaining rest mostly under Z161 here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y37834/ and under L38 here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y125026/

[Leto]

I think the Russians as a whole should be a little less R1a than 52%. Perhaps around 45-47%. I do think Poland and Belarus are somewhat higher in R1a. That being said, a few Western and Southern parts of European Russia may be as high as 60% R1a. I don't know the profile of ethnic Russians east of the Urals and how different it is from European Russian but they are almost a quarter of the total population, so a pretty large percentage.

Bad that I2 wasn't really broken down but still most of the ethnic Russian I2 is under here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120/ and the remaining rest mostly under Z161 here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y37834/ and under L38 here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y125026/
Is it all 'Dinaric'? I mean the same subclade as Balkan Slavs?

[vbnetkhio]

I think the Russians as a whole should be a little less R1a than 52%. Perhaps around 45-47%. I do think Poland and Belarus are somewhat higher in R1a. That being said, a few Western and Southern parts of European Russia may be as high as 60% R1a. I don't know the profile of ethnic Russians east of the Urals and how different it is from European Russian but they are almost a quarter of the total population, so a pretty large percentage.

Is it all 'Dinaric'? I mean the same subclade as Balkan Slavs?

i-Y3120 = Dinaric, the other 2 aren't

[Leto]

i-Y3120 = Dinaric, the other 2 aren't
So what are the principal divisions of I-M438? Slavic, Sardinian and Germanic?
To be honest, I don't particularly care about deeper clades, I find that autistic (the way Balkan people like Pribislav or Feiichy are obsessed with minute Y-DNA differences). My personal opinion, of course it's not my business if someone wants to research deeper.

[Nurzat]

what about J2-M67 (J2a1b*) - my last name is traced to Alexandrov (Vladimir region) and Zvenigorod in the 16th century, I don't know if it came to Ukraine from up there or it arrived there from Ukraine. it must be found at least in the Black Sea region and towards Caucasus. I think J2a1b must be the most common J2 in Russia and especially in Ukraine. do you have a breakdown for it? (I can read Russian language sources if you have any).

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

16% of N1a? Are you sure those haplogroups include only ethnic Russians? N1a is most prominent among Komi-Permyaks and even so it has only a frequency of ~10%, so how ethnic Russians managed to get 16%?

[Leto]

16% of N1a? Are you sure those haplogroups include only ethnic Russians? N1a is most prominent among Komi-Permyaks and even so it has only a frequency of ~10%, so how ethnic Russians managed to get 16%?
I think he means the N haplogroup in general. 15-16% for the Russians would be a reasonable estimate in my opinion. Some of it came from Baltics, some from Finno-Ugrics.

[Leto]

what about J2-M67 (J2a1b*) - my last name is traced to Alexandrov (Vladimir region) and Zvenigorod in the 16th century, I don't know if it came to Ukraine from up there or it arrived there from Ukraine. it must be found at least in the Black Sea region and towards Caucasus. I think J2a1b must be the most common J2 in Russia and especially in Ukraine. do you have a breakdown for it? (I can read Russian language sources if you have any).
J2/J1 and other woggy HGs are generally uncommon, though I recently found a full Russian with J1 (apparently a Caucasus clade, not Semitic).

[helg]

16% of N1a? Are you sure those haplogroups include only ethnic Russians? N1a is most prominent among Komi-Permyaks and even so it has only a frequency of ~10%, so how ethnic Russians managed to get 16%?

Branch L1025 of haplogroup N1a is characteristic of Baltic peoples, Prussians, Lithuanians, Latvians, these are descendants of Balts, assimilated by the Russians. L550 is a Scandinavians/Rurikids, L1022, Z1936 branches are descendants of the Finnish peoples, the Russians, moving north 1000 years ago, Christianize and assimilated the Finnish peoples: Veps, Izhora, Murom, Chudes. More or less like this.

[vbnetkhio]

R1a – 52%
-----Z280 – 77%
----------Z92 – 33%
----------Y2902 – 28%
----------CTS3402 – 26%
-----M458 – 20%
----------CTS11962 – 74%
----------L260 – 26%
-----Z93 – 2%
-----Z284 – 1%


the same breakdown for Serbs:

R1a – 14.9%
-----Z280 – 66.96%
----------Z92 – 15.35%
----------Y2902 – 12.87%
----------CTS3402 – 54.46%
----------YP4278 – 13.37%
----------YP343 – 2.97%
----------S24902 – 0.50%
----------YP1034 – 0.50%
-----M458 – 33.04%
----------CTS11962 – 78%
----------L260 – 6%
----------A11460 - 15%
-----Z93 – 0%
-----Z284 – 0%

*R1a 14.9% taken from Kačar 2019.
*subclades take from the serbian Dna project table, but excluded people from the same municipality with the same haplogroup because the table includes family/tribe/village group testings

[vbnetkhio]

So what are the principal divisions of I-M438? Slavic, Sardinian and Germanic?
To be honest, I don't particularly care about deeper clades, I find that autistic (the way Balkan people like Pribislav or Feiichy are obsessed with minute Y-DNA differences). My personal opinion, of course it's not my business if someone wants to research deeper.

this is ph2ter's tree for i2a1. i think there was also one for all of i2, i can't find it now
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kj9b0z8raiwf3oj/P37_V4.7a.png?dl=0

[Celticiceni]

Hello. I'm a Brit and my y dna is i-BY205692 downstream from i-Y37834. I've notice there a lot of Russians under i-Y37834. Y37834 is downstream from i-Z161-S2364 which is Germanic. Is Y37834 in Russia and Ukraine because of the Viking Rus/Goths? Thank you.