Operation Storm: August 4, 1995

[Storm 1995]

The decision is made

When President Tudjman returned from Brijuni to Zagreb on the August 3rd it was clear that the decision has been made. News from Geneva confirmed earlier estimations that the rebel Serbs leaders are not taking seriously the situation and determination of Croatian state politics to finally end rebellion and secession. Looking back on that Thursday a few significant things crop up. International situation was particularly favorable for Croatia. Americans were furious at Serbs for running over Srebrenica and Zepa. They tacitly considered that Croats could offer the fastest and most efficient aid to Bihac. Croatian army was rapidly mobilizing reserve forces. In addition to 80 000 soldiers and officers further 70 000 were mobilized (Croatian Home Guard of the 2nd echelon) and 50 000 more in the third echelon. There was not a town or urban area not participating in major defense operation. All together 200 000 combat troops were ready for the action. 25 fully equipped brigades stood at the positions facing the rebel area.

Zagreb will go all the way

Well-informed analysts figured out that it was not restricted action this time. Zagreb would go all the way regardless of the warnings its allies gave saying resistance of the rebel army would be strong or even unbeatable. Germans believed Croatian military intervention to be unavoidable. American intelligence expected Croats to succeed if they would be able to bring the operation to the end within 7 to 10 days having own losses
around 1000 dead and wounded. Noone assumed that secret plan "Storm '95" was planned even to be faster. Continuos demoralization of rebel Serbs that could not even be stopped by a professional soldier general Mile Mrk{i} is taken into account. He received his instructions from Belgrade to reorganize "krajina" defense and make it more flexible. Tactical and strategic estimations were placed on the desk of Croatian president 10 days before the operation started. The conclusion was unanimous: Serbia won't intervene for the reasons of inner instability (including the political-ideological conflict with Radovan Karadjic and Milan Martic) and in order to fulfill Milosevic's ambitions of getting economic sanctions lifted by the beginning of October. President Tudjman wanted everything to be checked out once again. Before signing the order for the operation he raises four important questions: major aims of the attack, a way to achieve them, situation among Croatian troops and the update of the situation in the enemy's army. "Storm '95" carefully looked into all scenarios. Minister of defense Gojko Susak and military and intelligence top people of Croatian army learned that the rebel troops represent mosaic of mutually incoherent military formation expected to breakdown within 5 to 7 days. According to the available data president Tudjman expected the breakdown to come even sooner, especially having in mind the psychological moment when rebels realize Belgrade abandoned them.

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On the eve of the "Storm"

In all Croatian preparations it was taken into account that the intention towards the rebels couldn't be hidden because of the mass mobilization throughout Croatia so the surprise factor won't be forthcoming as in all the earlier operations. But it wasn't the aggravating circumstance. On the contrary the public demonstration of the military concentration was the additional psychological pressure onto rebels who were using their armed formations all the time as the means that should dissuade Croatian of making more serious attack. Even before Geneva, Knin was partially agitated.
Declaring state of war rebel leaders were making efforts to strengthen their formations and to gather 50 000 men (5 000 to 10 000 were the best age group and 20 000 were younger or older. Rebel military leadership estimated that Croatian major strike directions would be Banija, Kordun and Lika in order to break a siege of Bihac. Because of that fact so called 15th, 21st and 39th corps got additional reservists and two thirds of heavy arms were thrown over and concentrated at the triangle Petrinja - ways to Karlovac - Glina. Seventh corps and less heavy arms were left to protect Knin and "northern Dalmatia" which wasn't enough (Croatian were evidently accumulating its troops around Zadar, Sibenik and Sinj, actions from the Grahovo region, permanent endangering of Strmica to open direct way to Knin and so on). Although threatening signals from Zagreb were increasing on the eve of the "Storm" rebel leaders decided once again they could count on the fast military support of Bosnian Serbs (air force and 10 000 men) and Milan Martic was persistently explaining that Belgrade won't be passive this time. Although nervous Serbian negotiators from Geneva sent the message that Croatian attack is completely certain, general Mrksic considered that his basic force of 37 000 men is enough to confront Croatian offensive and to resist further 10 days. 17 000 men of so called "army of the republic of Serb krajina" in eastern Slavonija should immediately start actions on the front line and with strategy of retaliation put pressure onto Osijek and Vinkovci what should force Croats to transfer part of their reserve forces to the eastern front thus giving the relief to the defense of the northern parts of "krajina".

The dawn Serbs will remember

In the evening of August 3rd, detonator of the conflict was inevitably ticking off last moments. Wick that was set on fire by Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina was to explode in Croatia. It seemed as nothing was going on along the 700 km long front line at 3 a.m. of the August 4th. But, 2 000 Croatian cannons , howitzers, mortars rocket launchers and recoilless canonns were ready to fire. An hour later, UN peace forces in Croatia were officially informed that unavoidable military and police operation would start, with purpose of reestablishing constitution, law and order in sectors North and South. Anyway nothing happened in the next 60 minutes that would disturb hot and moistly dawn. And then, exactly at 5 a.m. the artillery strike like none seen before started. Serbs will remember that dawn very well. They were encouraging themselves day by day: no retreat, no surrender. Our forts will be our bloody shirts. They did not expect that so much steel will fall over their heads immediately. Although they knew Croats were superior, their propaganda claimed that krajina fighters are not afraid of Croatian slings. At the same moment all the way from north to the south the command echoed: Fire! Roar of Croatian artillery broke the morning silence waking up sleepy Serbian quasyrepublic. Salvos were following one another all in all 40 minutes with no stops, somewhere even longer. In the Serbian pillboxes, forts, barracks, commands, storehouses, reserve positions, quickly digged trenches, on the approaches of all bigger cities there was panic with everyone shouting: Croats are coming . . . they are braking through from everywhere. Terrified men in the forts were hit by bouncing rocks, wood and deafened by noise. Dust and smoke were choking surprised garrisons. The cannon and rocket launcher fire were joined by a fire of Croatian tanks and sounds of Croatian infantry arms, who started unstoppable breakthrough through thinned mine fields and chopped barb wire. In Serbian lines, where many were totally stunned by the noise of explosions, they didn't know what to do next. In only ten hours of fighting Serbs suffered mentally and started to fall apart. Instead of fortified north Croats tightened the circle around Knin that trembled from the shell detonations which were destroying military targets. In four days of major operations Croatian armed force demonstrated they are ready, with methodical and continuos pressure of their formations, to surround completely rebel "krajina" as a kindled almond which suddenly found itself in the nut cracking pincers. Objections that too much force had been used are absurd. In the liberation war exaggerated force is only the sufficient force.

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[Storm 1995]

CHRONOLOGY

4th August

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The storm began

With the sunrise, at 5 a.m., the storm began. The storm that swept away "krajina" in four days only. While electronic media were broadcasting President Tudjman's address to the Croatian citizens of Serbian nationality guaranteeing them all rights and calling upon paramilitary troops to give over their weapons, offering them amnesty, Croatian army and police started the liberation of four years long occupied so called sectors North and South.

Strike on Celavac

"Following the decisive and strong action, Croatian troops penetrated the 700 km long front lines at 30 spots, in Bjelovar, Zagreb, Karlovac, Gospic and Split area of responsibility", was stated in Zagreb at a press conference, the same afternoon. Croatian air force launched a rocket attack and disabled Radio and TV transmitter Celavac. Penetration depth of Croatian forces ranged between 5 and 15 km. First day of action ran according to the schedule.

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Sveti Rok liberated

Great success of the first day of the action was liberation of Sveti Rok. Knin was already encircled and Croatian troops were in front of the town. Ministry of Defense stated that Croatian army in its action of liberating the territories does not demolish the towns or kill civilians. UNCRO was informed about the action before it started. In spite, a few incidents took place and led to a loss of two Czech UN soldiers. Serb rebels retaliated for their own losses attacking civilians in Sisak, Sibenik, Otocac, Gospic, Ogulin...

5th August

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Knin is liberated

Round about noon the breaking news came: Croatian troops entered the city of Knin. Knin is freed! On the medieval Knin fortress a big Croatian flag was set. Surrounding places such as Vrlika, Kijevo, Drnis, Zitnic, Benkovac, Gracac, Lovinac, Ljubovo were liberated as well. By the evening 80% of the plans were carried out. Serbian civilians were, in spite of repeated calls, made by Croatian authorities, to remain at their homes, fleeing from the area. Croatian army ensured the corridors for their withdrawal through the cities of Srb and Dvor. Cities of Petrinja, Glina, Udbina and Slunj were soon to be liberated too.

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Croatian flag on the Knin fortress

Croatian police force in Lovinac and Gracac

The establishment of the civilian authorities started immediately upon liberation and first to come were local police stations. Police station Vrlika, Lovinac... was written on the boards that were hung in presence of Ivan Jarnjak, Minister of internal affairs. At the same time Serbs retaliated, shelling civilians in Zupanja from Bosnia and in Osijek, Vinkovci, Nustar from eastern Slavonia. Karlovac and Dubrovnik were attacked too.

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Serbs retaliated targeting civilian targets

Celebration

On Saturday evening, while Croatian troops were advancing with the actions of liberation, Croatia was celebrating, opening bottles of champagne. People were laughing and crying at the same time. Happy for the victory that came. President Tudjman, escorted by his closest assistants, joined the celebration on the Zagreb main square.

6th August

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Two armies joined

Croatian forces joined with HVO and the 5th corps of Bosnian army on the border between Bosnia and Croatia on the river Korana near Trzacka Rastela. It was clear then, the Bihac enclave was saved and strategic communication Bihac - Knin was cut. Knin, Drnis, Kijevo got the police stations. The same afternoon, only 24 hours after it was liberated, President Tudjman visited the old Croatian town of Knin, where met by the 4th and 7th brigade of Croatian army. "Liberation of Knin means more than just a liberation of Croatian territory and a Croatian town. It means creating conditions for the stability of Croatian state for centuries ahead", said President Tudjman. Dr. Tudjman and his wife Ankica were accompanied by President of the Parliament, Deputy Prime Ministers dr. Mate Granic, Borislav Skegro, dr. Ivica Kostovic, Minister of Defense Gojko Susak and many others. They were awaited by the Minister Ivan Jarnjak and Minister of maritime affairs, traffic and communications Ivica Mudrinic who stated that in no more than two weeks railroad Zagreb-Knin-Split will be fully operating.

So called "krajina" does not exist any more

So called "krajina" ceased to exist. Petrinja, Slunj, Kostajnica, Plitvice lakes, Obrovac were liberated. Major general Tolj once again called rebel Serbs to give over their weapons and surrender. Their military forces are broken down: 21st corps (that surrended on the 8th of August) was encircled and 15th and 39th corps were facing similar situation.

Petrinja and Glina freed

On Sunday morning Croatian army liberated Petrinja and about 11 p.m. Glina changed hands. It was one of the strongholds of the Serb rebellion.

[Storm 1995]

7th August

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Karlovac celebrates peace

Towns of Turanj and Tusilovic were freed on the last day of the action Storm, which gave a relief to the inhabitants of Karlovac who came out on the streets of the town to celebrate the peace after 4 years of alerts.

Complete defeat of Serb forces

On Monday, chetnics were forced to leave Vojnic and Topusko, Gornji and Donji Lapac. Faced with a total military defeat in Croatia, Serbs planes took off from Banja Luka airport and launched attacks on several Croatian cities. Two casualties and 11 wounded were reported. Two planes of the "Eagle" type were shot down while attacking Mackovac and Savski Bok.

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Croatian army at the Croatian border

At 18:00 Croatian Minister of Defense Gojko Susak announced the end of action Storm from the military aspect. Police actions remain to be carried out for some more time. Rebel Serbs surrended in Banovina region. Croatian army came out on the internationally recognized borders of Croatia. 118 Croatian soldiers fell in action and 620 were wounded till then. In days to follow, while searching the area 174 casualties and 1430 wounded were reported, all together.

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[boogeyman]

Hail victory :thumbs up

[poiuytrewq0987]

Ridiculous... Operation Storm was a war crime that dismantled the defenseless RSK.

[boogeyman]

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REPUBLIC OF SERB KRAJINA

SUPREME DEFENCE COUNCIL

Knin, 4th Aug 1995

16.45 hrs

No: 2-3113-1/95.


Due to a newly created situation appearing from a large-scale agression of the Republic of Croatia against the Republic of Serb Krajina and in spite of successful defence at the beginning, the greater part of North Dalmatia and the part of Lika are endangered. Having considered all these facts

WE DECIDED

1. To start evacuating population unfit to military service from the municipalities of Knin, Benkovac, Obrovac, Drnis and Gracac.

2. Evacuation to be carried out according to the plan towards direction of Knin and furthermore via Otric, and towards Srb and Lapac.

3. UNPROFOR HQ Sector South Knin to be requested support.


Knin, 4th Aug 1995

Certified by Serb Army HQ dtd 4th Aug 1995 at 17.20 hrs

under Reg. No. as above.

P R E S I D E N T

Mile Martic

[poiuytrewq0987]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/Martic-order1995.jpg/545px-Martic-order1995.jpg

And a smart move that was, otherwise the Croats would've just massacred more than 200,000 Serbs by your O'great Gotovina.

[boogeyman]

Believe whatever you want. It's not like I care nor do I try to change your mind.

http://www.matrix-informatika.hr/pazinski-kolegij.hr/images/stories/knin01fh1.jpg

[poiuytrewq0987]

Believe whatever you want. It's not like I care nor do I try to change your mind.

http://www.matrix-informatika.hr/pazinski-kolegij.hr/images/stories/knin01fh1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Vukovar_turm.jpg

Hail Victory! :)

[Guapo]

Hail Satan, he always wins in the end against innocent human beings.

[Storm 1995]

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Hail Victory! :)

It was not victory, but one battle won. Last time I checked, Vukovar and Eastern Slavonia are part of Croatia.

Or a temporary, Pyrrhic victory, after three months of heavy siege and massacre of civilians. Events in Vukovar and in other places of Croatia in 1991 aroused the wish of revenge among some Croats (a minor part). Isolated atrocities in the Operation Storm are the result of that and have to be understood in that context.

[Storm 1995]

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[Guapo]

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[Storm 1995]

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[Guapo]

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[Storm 1995]

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[Mordid]

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[Monolith]

“In war, resolution; in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity”.

[poiuytrewq0987]

It was not victory, but one battle won. Last time I checked, Vukovar and Eastern Slavonia are part of Croatia.

Or a temporary, Pyrrhic victory, after three months of heavy siege and massacre of civilians. Events in Vukovar and in other places of Croatia in 1991 aroused the wish of revenge among some Croats (a minor part). Isolated atrocities in the Operation Storm are the result of that and have to be understood in that context.

Vukovar was a difficult battle to win only because the JNA assaulting the city was plagued with deserters and disloyal soldiers. The army had Hungarians, Bosniaks and several others which was rather dumb tbh. Milosevic also made a mistake as he should've let Panich take Osijek after Vukovar and then take Zagreb and put Croatia under occupation.

[Monolith]

http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/coulda_shoulda.gif

[Storm 1995]

Vukovar was a difficult battle to win only because the JNA assaulting the city was plagued with deserters and disloyal soldiers. The army had Hungarians, Bosniaks and several others which was rather dumb tbh. Milosevic also made a mistake as he should've let Panich take Osijek after Vukovar and then take Zagreb and put Croatia under occupation.

Indeed. Serbs care about nothing else than about killing, enslaving, occupying other countries. They only have lust for domination, but are unable to work or to produce anything. Economically and socially, Serbia is today shithole of Europe.

Regarding their aggressive mentality, they resemble Nazi Germany, but in mini-form and in a lazy and inefficient variety.

They don't deserve any pity for 1999 bombings.

[Arbonit]

and then take Zagreb and put Croatia under occupation.
And then ?????

[Turkophagos]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rOzeLhX3TZY/SwZb8-KnfjI/AAAAAAAAB2w/24uJzo2Etf8/s1600/ellas-serbia.jpg


Serbian forces will kick out the Franks and the Moors out of their holly lands some day, and the Greek army will be there assisting them.

[Arbonit]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rOzeLhX3TZY/SwZb8-KnfjI/AAAAAAAAB2w/24uJzo2Etf8/s1600/ellas-serbia.jpg


Serbian forces will kick out the Franks and the Moors out of their holly lands some day, and the Greek army will be there assisting them.
And who says an Egyptian, irony.

[Storm 1995]

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Teh mighty Serbian army: Tractor brigade

[Turkophagos]

And who says an Egyptian, irony.

Shut up Turk.

[Arbonit]

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Teh mighty Serbian army: Tractor brigade
Hahah ma oni su pravi heroji bre , samo oni znaju da slave izgubljene ratove.

[Mordid]

hahah ma oni su pravi heroji bre , samo oni znaju da slave izgubljene ratove.

مص ديكي

[The Lawspeaker]

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Serbian forces will kick out the Franks and the Moors out of their holly lands some day, and the Greek army will be there assisting them.
Actually we Franks should be there, sharing a trench with the Greeks and the Serbs, in order to kick the Moors out.

[Arbonit]

Dude you are all hilarious hahahah. some Egyptian is calling me turk then some Maroccan is calling me Moor hahah this is epic, then some tataromongoloslav is calling me arab hilarious dude hilarious.

[Mordid]

Dude all of you are hilarious hahahah

what's even hilarious is that I watched one of your video that you and Ushtari had a double peneration with sheep. Yes, tradition Albanian thing.

[Arbonit]

Mordy I've seen your mather's picture here and btw she is so ugly .

[Mordid]

I saw your mather's picture here and btw she is so ugly .

Am I sensing jealous from your mother ? :laugh:

[Storm 1995]

Actually we Franks should be there, sharing a trench with the Greeks and the Serbs, in order to kick the Moors out.


Franks?

Last time I heard, they don't exist any more.

http://mojobob.com/roleplay/franks.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

Franks?

Last time I heard, they don't exist any more.

http://mojobob.com/roleplay/franks.jpg
Certain West Germans are Franks, a lot of Dutch (including Flemish and Walloons) have Frankish blood, French have Frankish blood. For short: to use "Franks"to denote Western Europeans is correct.

We'll go Charlemagne on you too.

[Arbonit]

Mordy what can someone waiting from you according that you are one of those which hate niggers because they date your sister.
And who know maybe they date also Civis Batavi's wife.

[Storm 1995]

We'll go Charlemagne on you too.

How, Dutchie?

Like this?

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQq4OSI4C-icgZFpLftaWiIcpldV3WcLDSjLmBT-mzUha2yZjaG

[The Lawspeaker]

How, Dutchie?

Like this?

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQq4OSI4C-icgZFpLftaWiIcpldV3WcLDSjLmBT-mzUha2yZjaG

http://croatia.org/crown/content_images/vukovar/heroji/9/vukovar_Tenk_gori91.jpg

^Like this. And that's when we are in a good, friendly, peaceful mood.

[Mordid]

Mordy what can someone waiting from you according that you are one of those which hate niggers because they date your sister.
And who know maybe they date also Civis Batavi's wife.

In your imagine world, muhammad. I dont understand any single of your sentence.

[Storm 1995]

[FONT="Georgia"]Like this. And that's when we are in a good, friendly, peaceful mood.

Well, just come.

More likely you will end up here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp), like many of your beloved Serbies. (and they still don't stop whining about that, even 70 years later :p)

[Arbonit]

In your imagine world, muhammad. I dont understand any single of your sentence.
My real world my country and my people is free from imigrants , while in other hand your and Civis Batavi's country are lost issue.

[The Lawspeaker]

Well, just come.

More likely you will end up here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp), like many of your beloved Serbies. (and they still don't stop whining about that, even 70 years later :p)
You know why Charlemagne was nicknamed the "Butcher of the Saxons", right ? Well if he would treat Pagans like that.. the Good Lord knows how Franks would treat Christians that ran over to the Mohammedans.. when we're not so PC anymore.

Hint: limb from limb. Torn apart inch by torturous bloody inch.

[Storm 1995]

You know why Charlemagne was nicknamed the "Butcher of the Saxons", right ? Well if he would treat Pagans like that.. the Good Lord knows how Franks would treat Christians that ran over to the Mohammedans..

Hint: limb from limb. Torn apart inch by torturous bloody inch.

You are pissed because we defeated your beloved bully Serbies? Well, vent your impotent rage, Dutchie.

I am not surprised at all that you adore Serbs, a people of impotents, who are "brave" only when it is about killing defenceless civilians with heavy artillery, but run away like chicken as soon as they should engage in real fight (like in the Operation Storm).

[The Lawspeaker]

You are pissed because we defeated your beloved bully Serbies? Well, vent your impotent rage, Dutchie.
I am not pissed. Consider yourself warned once we have gotten rid of the PC-regime here.

[Mordid]

My real world my country and my people is free from imigrants , while in other hand your and Civis Batavi's country are lost issue.

My country isn't full of immigrants and obviously Albania has full of Arabian people and other muslim immigrants more than Poland and Holland. So, stop lying, Muhammad.

[Storm 1995]

I am not pissed. Consider yourself warned once we have gotten rid of the PC-regime here.


You are clearly pissed, because your Serbies are defeated.

I am as un-PC as it gets, Dutchie.

Enjoy with your immigrants (I am happy you have them), a thing we don't have here.

[Arbonit]

My country isn't full of immigrants and obviously Albania has full of Arabian people and other muslim immigrants more than Poland and Holland. So, stop lying, Muhammad.

Ok ok as you say but just dont quote me anymore because you are so stupid, ignorant and idiot.

[Arbonit]

Long live Dutchie and Maroccan friendship

[Mordid]

Ok ok as you say but just dont quote me anymore because you are so stupid, ignorant and idiot.
Just convert to christianity and then our problem will be solved! :thumb001:

[Storm 1995]

Serbian aggressors kicked out of Western Slavonia, Operation Flash (this was three months before the Operation Storm):

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[Arbonit]

Storme bilo je i Albanaca koji su ratovali u vasu stranu u ovoj vasoj ofansivi protiv srba.

[Mordid]

Storme bilo je i Albanaca koji su ratovali u vasu stranu u ovoj vasoj ofansivi protiv srba.

please dont infect the forum with Arabian language. :puke

[Turkophagos]

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Shut up Turk.

[Arbonit]

Yes yes fuck Greece you Egyptian , Egyptian, Egyptian.

[Mordid]

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Shut up Turk.

Another picture..:puke
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2008/01/31/ashura.jpg
http://www.reportages-pictures.com/ALBANIA/R00216%20islam/images/prevs/p109636%20screen.JPG
http://www.kosovo.net/images/kosovo_dervishes2.jpg
http://www.reportages-pictures.com/ALBANIA/R00034%20rufais/images/prevs/P0001350%20screen.JPG

[Turkophagos]

Yes yes fuck Greece you Egyptian , Egyptian, Egyptian.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9717/epirusmapib2.jpg

http://www.dcstamps.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Epirus-Independance.png


we're coming at ya turk.

[Arbonit]

Bricky first picture shows irakians and all others show gypsies, now are you going to make me find some images of gypsies of Poland.

[Turkophagos]

Another picture..:puke
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2008/01/31/ashura.jpg
http://www.reportages-pictures.com/ALBANIA/R00216%20islam/images/prevs/p109636%20screen.JPG
http://www.kosovo.net/images/kosovo_dervishes2.jpg
http://www.reportages-pictures.com/ALBANIA/R00034%20rufais/images/prevs/P0001350%20screen.JPG


Straight outta Illyria... :laugh:

[Mordid]

Bricky first picture shows irakians and all others show gypsies, now are you going to make me find some images of gypsies of Poland.

Hey, your lips are moving, so you're a liar.

[Storm 1995]

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Fireworks in Serbia in 1999.

Funny to watch.

[Arbonit]

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9717/epirusmapib2.jpg

http://www.dcstamps.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Epirus-Independance.png


we're coming at ya turk.
Egyptian is coming to me i am scared lol , Long live free Çamëria, we are coming to you ,you NorthAfrican.
http://shqiperia.gr/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/harta_shqipetare_cameria.jpg

[Turkophagos]

we are coming to you


LOL, more Albos in Athens?


Half your compatriots are already here, being embarassed of being albos, baptising orthodox christians by thousands every year and claiming they originaly members of the Greek minority there. :laugh:

[Arbonit]

LOL, more?
This time to take back what is our.



Half your compatriots are already here, being embarassed of being albos, baptising orthodox christians by thousands every year and claiming they originaly members of the Greek minority there. :laugh:
O yeah by using economically weaknes of south Albanians and then buying them just to increase number of your minority by declaring them that they are greeks , what a shame behaviour without honor , come one you also have war law in your constitution since the end of WWII agaisnt us which one is still active.

[Monolith]

Storme bilo je i Albanaca koji su ratovali u vasu stranu u ovoj vasoj ofansivi protiv srba.
Bilo je i Srba koji su se borili za Hrvatsku.

[Arbonit]

Bilo je i Srba koji su se borili za Hrvatsku.
Kako to mislis?

[Monolith]

Kako to mislis?
Bilo je i Srba iz Hrvatske koji su se borili zajedno s Hrvatima protiv pobunjenih Srba i JNA.

[Arbonit]

Bilo je i Srba iz Hrvatske koji su se borili zajedno s Hrvatima protiv pobunjenih Srba i JNA.
A sada mi je jasno ali malo cudno prvi put to cujem.
Imam jedno pitanje ako znas da li je bilo srba koji su se borili zajedno sa Bosnjacima protiv JNA i srba sa prostora Bosne?

[poiuytrewq0987]

Hey, your lips are moving, so you're a liar.

Lying is their tradition, you know what they say about Albanians... :thumb001:

[Arbonit]

Lying is their tradition, you know what they say about Albanians... :thumb001:
Hahah i read everything now , no i am not serb that is not in our tradition take a look:


“We (serbians) lie to deceive ourselves, to console others, we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else's misery. We lie for love and honesty. We lie because of freedom. Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence. We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively."

- Dobrica Ćosić, serbian national father.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Hahah i read everything now , no i am not serb that is not in our tradition take a look:


“We (serbians) lie to deceive ourselves, to console others, we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else's misery. We lie for love and honesty. We lie because of freedom. Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence. We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively."

- Dobrica Ćosić, serbian national father.

You are lying about our lying tradition. Quite pathetic to be quite honest here.

[Mordid]

Hahah i read everything now , no i am not serb that is not in our tradition take a look:


“We (serbians) lie to deceive ourselves, to console others, we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else's misery. We lie for love and honesty. We lie because of freedom. Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence. We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively."

- Dobrica Ćosić, serbian national father.

By Albanian source.

[Arbonit]

You are lying about our lying tradition. Quite pathetic to be quite honest here.
Koji si ti budalla !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Arbonit]

By Albanian source.
Dobrica Cosic source

[mymy]

- Dobrica Ćosić, serbian national father. [/B]

This what i will say is not connected with subject, but anyway... I see lot of Albanians quote this man-especially this sentence, I also know lot of Serbs respect his work, but I don't understand what he did so important to call him Serbian national father. That man went to high school of low rang, then he finished some communistic political school-not University of course. My knowledge of literature is very good and i can say that his literal style and his work aren't of much good quality- in other words he wouldn't be successful if he wasn't in politics. How can man like that be father of one nation? Is that normal? He was bad politician same as he was bad writer. He didn't do anything good to this country- with his books called "Roots", he only put weird ideas in mind of people.

To add, he was one of those who were guilty for wars during 90's.

[Mordid]

koji si ti budalla !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ти си лажов и треба да буде ДРХТАЈ на ватру.

[Guapo]

This what i will say is not connected with subject, but anyway... I see lot of Albanians quote this man-especially this sentence, I also know lot of Serbs respect his work, but I don't understand what he did so important to call him Serbian national father. That man went to high school of low rang, then he finished some communistic political school-not University of course. My knowledge of literature is very good and i can say that his literal style and his work aren't of much good quality- in other words he wouldn't be successful if he wasn't in politics. How can man like that be father of one nation? Is that normal? He was bad politician same as he was bad writer. He didn't do anything good to this country- with his books called "Roots", he only put weird ideas in mind of people.

these albos like to jerk off to Cosic's fictional novels :rotfl:

[Arbonit]

ти си лажов и треба да буде ДРХТАЈ на ватру.
Now which part of dont quote me again you did not understand before , again i am not interested to waste my time with your BSH , again i am not interested to waste my time yith your BSH.

[Ushtari]

these albos like to jerk off to Cosic's fictional novels :rotfl:
so far he's been right

[Mordid]

so far he's been right

You know what they say ? ''When he's right, it mean he's wrong''

[Ushtari]

illyrian babe of the day

http://www.missshqiperia.com/2011/Misset/ENXHI-KRYEZIU.jpg

[Ushtari]

You know what they say ? ''When he's right, it mean he's wrong''
polack please, go back to denmark and clean a roof

[poiuytrewq0987]

illyrian babe of the day

http://www.missshqiperia.com/2011/Misset/ENXHI-KRYEZIU.jpg

Looks part Turkish

[mymy]

these albos like to jerk off to Cosic's fictional novels :rotfl:

Well, i won't go much into that, i wrote now only because i don't have much good opinion about him and about some other Serbian writers who tend to be popular among people. It is sad that quality people are often forgotten and some political idiots enjoy big popularity.

[Ushtari]

Looks part Turkish
must be due to recent serbian raping

[Mordid]

polack please, go back to denmark and clean a roof

Nah, I'm happy where I am.

[Arbonit]

This what i will say is not connected with subject, but anyway... I see lot of Albanians quote this man-especially this sentence, I also know lot of Serbs respect his work, but I don't understand what he did so important to call him Serbian national father. That man went to high school of low rang, then he finished some communistic political school-not University of course. My knowledge of literature is very good and i can say that his literal style and his work aren't of much good quality- in other words he wouldn't be successful if he wasn't in politics. How can man like that be father of one nation? Is that normal? He was bad politician same as he was bad writer. He didn't do anything good to this country- with his books called "Roots", he only put weird ideas in mind of people.

To add, he was one of those who were guilty for wars during 90's.

As the Tito regime gradually decentralized administration of Yugoslavia after 1963, Ćosić grew convinced that the Serbian population of the state was imperilled. In May 1968, he gave a celebrated speech to the Fourteenth Plenum of the Central Committee of the Serbian League of Communists, in which he condemned then-current nationalities policy in Yugoslavia. He was especially upset at the regime's inclination to grant greater autonomy to Kosovo and Vojvodina. Thereafter he acted as a dissident. In the 1980s, following the death of Tito, Ćosić helped organize and lead a movement whose original goal was to gain equality for Serbia in the Yugoslav federation, but which rapidly became intense and aggressive. He was especially enthusiastic in his advocacy of the rights of the Serbian and Montenegrin populations of Kosovo. Ćosić is a member of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, and is considered by many to be its most influential member. While Ćosić has been credited with writing the Memorandum of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, which appeared in unfinished fashion in the Serbian public in 1986, he in fact was not responsible for its writing. In 1989 he endorsed the leadership of Slobodan Milošević, and two years later he helped raise Radovan Karadžić to the leadership of the Bosnian Serbs. When war broke out in 1991, he supported the Serbian effort.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobrica_%C4%86osi%C4%87

[Mordid]

As the Tito regime gradually decentralized administration of Yugoslavia after 1963, Ćosić grew convinced that the Serbian population of the state was imperilled. In May 1968, he gave a celebrated speech to the Fourteenth Plenum of the Central Committee of the Serbian League of Communists, in which he condemned then-current nationalities policy in Yugoslavia. He was especially upset at the regime's inclination to grant greater autonomy to Kosovo and Vojvodina. Thereafter he acted as a dissident. In the 1980s, following the death of Tito, Ćosić helped organize and lead a movement whose original goal was to gain equality for Serbia in the Yugoslav federation, but which rapidly became intense and aggressive. He was especially enthusiastic in his advocacy of the rights of the Serbian and Montenegrin populations of Kosovo. Ćosić is a member of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, and is considered by many to be its most influential member. While Ćosić has been credited with writing the Memorandum of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, which appeared in unfinished fashion in the Serbian public in 1986, he in fact was not responsible for its writing. In 1989 he endorsed the leadership of Slobodan Milošević, and two years later he helped raise Radovan Karadžić to the leadership of the Bosnian Serbs. When war broke out in 1991, he supported the Serbian effort.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobrica_%C4%86osi%C4%87
He's Serbian writer of Albanian descent. How shocking! I know!

[mymy]

In 1989 he endorsed the leadership of Slobodan Milošević, and two years later he helped raise Radovan Karadžić to the leadership of the Bosnian Serbs. When war broke out in 1991, he supported the Serbian effort.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobrica_%C4%86osi%C4%87

How can someone who put us in wars without any logical reason be our national father? :confused:
As I said, he didn't do anything good.
And as for his literal work, i said what i think.

And yes, it is very dangerous when unstable people get power. They should all make psychological test before they take those positions.

[Arbonit]

How can someone who put us in wars without any logical reason be our national father? :confused:
Reasonable, but ask your nationalist structure in Serbia or make some historical or sociological comparisons of that time also present time to came in conclusion why he was/is considered your national father .

As I said, he didn't do anything good.

Of course , but again ask serbian nationalists.

[BiałaZemsta]

:D If she is a turk, then I want a turkish girlfriend!!

[Arbonit]

XSW_xywfk_w

[Adrian]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-I82Wu9zCsds/TcKc9krB9HI/AAAAAAAAAUc/Pd1bNKzopx8/s1600/20139_milosevic-reuter-jerry-lampen_origh.jpg

[Arbonit]

amUtk0yiQ2M
After Croats, it was Bosniak turn to kick them ,but true Bosniaks not Bosnians like Thundermark

[Adrian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY76h1H1q9k&feature=related

[Arbonit]

Illyrian vëlla nuk është vetëm Miloseviçi nga soji i tillë , këta janë të gjithë të njejtë vetëm u ndryshon qasja.

[Monolith]

Imam jedno pitanje ako znas da li je bilo srba koji su se borili zajedno sa Bosnjacima protiv JNA i srba sa prostora Bosne?
Nisam nikad čuo za takve, ali ja sam iz Hrvatske pa nisam ni mogao.

Now which part of dont quote me again you did not understand before , again i am not interested to waste my time with your BSH , again i am not interested to waste my time yith your BSH.
BSH? :D

[Arbonit]

BSH? :D
Your point is ?

[poiuytrewq0987]

:D If she is a turk, then I want a turkish girlfriend!!

Too bad most Turkish women look like ugly Bulgarians...

[Thundermark]

After Croats, it was Bosniak turn to kick them ,but true Bosniaks not Bosnians like Thundermark

Sorry Albo but it happens that I am the true Bosniak/Bosnian. ;) Those who support Albanian Kosovo and the Turks are traitors and should be in jail. :)

[Arbonit]

Sorry Albo but it happens that I am the true Bosniak/Bosnian. ;) Those who support Albanian Kosovo and the Turks are traitors and should be in jail. :)
Yeah yeah it seems that you are truly Bosniak , no doubt about that !!!!, come on accept that you are serb from Bosnia.

[Zephyr]

Hey guys, a neutral question:

What will be the consequences of this heated internet debate in real life? :1099:

[Arbonit]

Ask serbs and their supporters if they have courage to say something against us in real life in front of our face.

[Thundermark]

Ask serbs and their supporters if they have courage to say something against us in real life in front of our face.

Leave that gangsta attitude...


Yeah yeah it seems that you are truly Bosniak , no doubt about that !!!!, come on accept that you are serb from Bosnia.

:confused:

I know that you are used to meet stupid Bosnian who don't care about their roots and are fucked up in the head but that does not mean that there are no Bosnian with healthy mind. I am not a Serb, only Bosnian who is loyal to his ancestors. I have the same ideals and goals as them. ;)

[Zephyr]

Ask serbs and their supporters if they have courage to say something against us in real life in front of our face.

Dude, I believe they have the courage to say it. ;)

Point is not that. I see guys speaking like they are writing directly from military headquarters, planning invasions. I even read the word "Charlemagne". I was like "wtf?".

While you are all like me comfortably sitting behind a screen, there are people starving, people with debts they can't pay, exploited people, unemployed people.

If you are really into irredentism, make your moves in real life, playing Age of Empires forum version is childish, sorry. Unless you are all friends and you are only doing RPG, I may have missed that.

[Arbonit]

Leave that gangsta attitude...



:confused:

I know that you are used to meet stupid Bosnian who don't care about their roots and are fucked up in the head but that does not mean that there are no Bosnian with healthy mind. I am not a Serb, only Bosnian who is loyal to his ancestors. I have the same ideals and goals as them. ;)
I dont care if you are Bosniak, serb from Bosnia or whatever, but i have my doubts about your true nationality, your first posts were in serbian subforum defending serbs, nevermind who care maybe your slavic blood is so strong in you.
I did not meet any Bosniak yet who support Srebrenica massacre and other crimes which serbs make against Bosniaks, you are first one and btw shame on you.


PS: True Bosniaks were bogumils

[Arbonit]

Dude, I believe they have the courage to say it. ;)
Are you one of them?


Point is not that. I see guys speaking like they are writing directly from military headquarters, planning invasions. I even read the word "Charlemagne". I was like "wtf?".

While you are all like me comfortably sitting behind a screen, there are people starving, people with debts they can't pay, exploited people, unemployed people.

If you are really into irredentism, make your moves in real life, playing Age of Empires forum version is childish, sorry. Unless you are all friends and you are only doing RPG, I may have missed that.


Just find me where we post such of things, i am talking about Albanians , find me one single Albanian post with such of stupidity and its not from defensive point.

[Thundermark]

I did not meet any Bosniak yet who support Srebrenica massacre
In Gods name, where did you read that I support that? :confused:


other crimes which serbs make against Bosniaks
same as above....


PS: True Bosniaks were bogumils

bogumils did not exist in medieval Bosnia...You are thinking of Bosnian church, right? True Bosnians were those who lived in Bosnia proper, no matter of religion. :)

[poiuytrewq0987]

Ask serbs and their supporters if they have courage to say something against us in real life in front of our face.

:dielaughing:

Says the pussy who cried to the NATO for help.

[Arbonit]

In Gods name, where did you read that I support that? :confused:

No you did not mention that but why you support serbs then, you are only one Bosniak (if you are Bosniak) who support serbs, are you brainwashed or what is your problem , do you know that they make crimes against your nation refering to some mythological battle called Kosovo battle and saying that they are making revenge about their lose in that battle, and in same time they refer to you with turk just how you compare us with this your stupid post:


Sorry Albo but it happens that I am the true Bosniak/Bosnian. Those who support Albanian Kosovo and the Turks are traitors and should be in jail.

[mymy]

Dude, I believe they have the courage to say it. ;)

Point is not that. I see guys speaking like they are writing directly from military headquarters, planning invasions. I even read the word "Charlemagne". I was like "wtf?".

While you are all like me comfortably sitting behind a screen, there are people starving, people with debts they can't pay, exploited people, unemployed people.

If you are really into irredentism, make your moves in real life, playing Age of Empires forum version is childish, sorry. Unless you are all friends and you are only doing RPG, I may have missed that.

It is well known that people who identify too much with national success or national loss are not totally aware about who they really are. Most of them are quite unsuccessful in their personal lives, so hiding behind nation and national heroes make them feel stronger and more important. People are likely to see "national" like their own, to live through "national" because it is easier to do it than to stay in front of mirror and ask yourself "who am i" or "what i did till now, what i will do in future and what my life mean to me". So... it's really easier to live in some strange world of national heroes than to accept fact that your life is far from ideal and or to be able to see your own weaknesses. Some people could be also frustrated about something, so they cure it using defense mechanisms and witch one will use depend of moment-of course this is happening on "higher" level where no single persons but only nations. But unfortunately that's part of Balkan identity. Now, should i say that psychiatric drugs, mostly antidepressant are second most used medications among population in Serbia? Unhappy people need to find reason to approve their acts and find happiness in things around them, so they often just identify with nation and forget they are individuals. Truth is that they actually have personal problems and don't know how to solve them.

[Thundermark]

you are only one Bosniak (if you are Bosniak) who support Serbs,

I can assure you that I am not the only one. I have friends from all the major cities in Bosnia and some from the diaspora who are with the Serbs in the case of Kosovo. ;)



do you know that they make crimes against your nation refering to some mythological battle called Kosovo battle

Some mythological Kosovo battle? Wtf?

" Happy is the kingdom of Bosnia which fought such a glorious battle and gain the victory with the right hand of Christ" - from the letter which was sent to Bosnian king Tvrtko I from the Florence after the Kosovo battle.



and saying that they are making revenge about their lose in that battle

Chill, nobody is saying that Serbs are perfect but they have a point on some issues.


just how you compare us with this your stupid post:


I did not call you Turks...I am just saying that those Bosnians who support turkish efforts also support Albanian Kosovo. Understand now?

[Storm 1995]

What will be the consequences of this heated internet debate in real life? :1099:

None, of course. As always.:D

[Storm 1995]

It is well known that people who identify too much with national success or national loss are not totally aware about who they really are. Most of them are quite unsuccessful in their personal lives, so hiding behind nation and national heroes make them feel stronger and more important. People are likely to see "national" like their own, to live through "national" because it is easier to do it than to stay in front of mirror and ask yourself "who am i" or "what i did till now, what i will do in future and what my life mean to me". So... it's really easier to live in some strange world of national heroes than to accept fact that your life is far from ideal and or to be able to see your own weaknesses. Some people could be also frustrated about something, so they cure it using defense mechanisms and witch one will use depend of moment-of course this is happening on "higher" level where no single persons but only nations. But unfortunately that's part of Balkan identity. Now, should i say that psychiatric drugs, mostly antidepressant are second most used medications among population in Serbia? Unhappy people need to find reason to approve their acts and find happiness in things around them, so they often just identify with nation and forget they are individuals. Truth is that they actually have personal problems and don't know how to solve them.

Yes, you are mostly right. But what you are speaking of is not confined to the Balkans only.

[Arbonit]

I can assure you that I am not the only one. I have friends from all the major cities in Bosnia and some from the diaspora who are with the Serbs in the case of Kosovo. ;)
All of you has Stockholm syndrome then ,nevermind who care, we at least has some honor we were fighting in your side on Bosnian war and we will continue to support true Bosniaks not those like you (you are not Bosniak you are serb from Bosnia)





Some mythological Kosovo battle? Wtf?
Can you understand at least something please that battle is fact but for serbs become national myth


" Happy is the kingdom of Bosnia which fought such a glorious battle and gain the victory with the right hand of Christ" - from the letter which was sent to Bosnian king Tvrtko I from the Florence after the Kosovo battle.

A Bosniak who support serbs does not have right to mention Tvrtko, and btw there were also Albanians in that battle like Gjon Kastrioti etc, and btw what the fucking hell that battle was totaly failure, serb mentality celebrating of lossed wars (another fact that you are serb)


How many christian bosniaks exist you idiot, dont include serbs and croats from Bosnia.

[Duke]

vlasi, šiptari i turci...


o jeben van mater svima

[Arbonit]

I ja ti jebem tvoju rvacku majku ja postujem video od vase armije a ti nas psujes jebem ti mamu kurvin sine bez morala

[Duke]

I mi jebemo tvoju rvacku majku ja postujem video od vase armije a ti nas psujes jebem ti mamu kurvin sine bez morala

koji se kurac svađaš sa vlasima i turcima na ovoj temi, jeben ti milu mater posri pičke

[Thundermark]

you are not Bosniak you are serb from Bosnia

:coffee:



A Bosniak who support serbs does not have right to mention Tvrtko

His grandma was Serbian, he was an ally of knez Lazar and the king of the Serbs. ;)


there were also Albanians in that battle like Gjon Kastrioti etc

They fought on the right side at that moment...now its different...


that battle was totaly failure, serb mentality celebrating of lossed wars (another fact that you are serb)

For me that was not a failure...Turks were stopped for many years and they were able to conquer Bosnia and Serbia one hundred and more years after the battle. Bosnian commander Vlatko Vuković destroyed one complete wing of the ottoman army and he proclaimed the victory there.
And please give up, if I am a Serb then you are a Greek.




How many christian bosniaks exist you idiot, dont include serbs and croats from Bosnia.

Show some respect, you dont need to swear to prove a point. Nice Illyrian culture there...:rolleyes:
Truth to be told, there aren't many Bosnian Christians but I would say that we have a nice start. ;)

[Arbonit]

koji se kurac svađaš sa vlasima i turcima na ovoj temi, jeben ti milu mater posri pičke
Idi u picku mater majmune jedan

[mymy]

Yes, you are mostly right. But what you are speaking of is not confined to the Balkans only.

Yes of course, that's human phenomenon in general. I talked about Balkans because i have opportunity to see it everyday, not only on forums but unfortunately in real life also.

[Arbonit]

:coffee:




His grandma was Serbian, he was an ally of knez Lazar and the king of the Serbs. ;)



They fought on the right side at that moment...now its different...



For me that was not a failure...Turks were stopped for many years and they were able to conquer Bosnia and Serbia one hundred and more years after the battle. Bosnian commander Vlatko Vuković destroyed one complete wing of the ottoman army and he proclaimed the victory there.
And please give up, if I am a Serb then you are a Greek.




Show some respect, you dont need to swear to prove a point. Nice Illyrian culture there...:rolleyes:
Truth to be told, there aren't many Bosnian Christians but I would say that we have a nice start. ;)

Enough, i think it is not necessary to reply to you anymore.

[Monolith]

His grandma was Serbian, he was an ally of knez Lazar and the king of the Serbs. ;)

It's a bit silly to argue about ethnic affiliation of medieval peoples, don't you think? Especially when it comes to South Slavs, that is.

[Guapo]

It's a bit silly to argue about ethnic affiliation of medieval peoples, don't you think? Especially when it comes to South Slavs, that is.

True, folk have been changing their ethnicity like underwear since then

[Thundermark]

It's a bit silly to argue about ethnic affiliation of medieval peoples, don't you think? Especially when it comes to South Slavs, that is.

I agree, my comment was written as a response to his statement:

A Bosniak who support serbs does not have right to mention Tvrtko

[poiuytrewq0987]

It's a bit silly to argue about ethnic affiliation of medieval peoples, don't you think? Especially when it comes to South Slavs, that is.

That's kind of true, especially in Bosnia. The Orthodox Christians identified as Serbian, Catholic Christians identified as Croatian and Muslims identified as Bosnian. I guess just because they were of certain religious denomination they assumed they were directly related to the medieval states of Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia since Croatia went Catholic and Serbia went Orthodox and Bosnia going Muslim when the Ottomans conquered it.