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Mortimer
12-21-2019, 02:40 AM
My maternal grandmother was a Gypsy as far as I know. She was a quarter russian but from her maternal grandfather and not from her maternal grandmother. So I expected a gypsy haplogroup. But it looks like it is not. Or am I wrong?
All informations, welcomed. Does it look like it is germanic or jewish maybe?
https://i.postimg.cc/mkvfD552/Overview.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QNwr0FdG/mtdna-Printcertificateblank.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/5NzWGfXH/mtdnamatches.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/bJrKRPXw/mtdna-Haplogrouporigins.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/d1fgHfvm/Ancestral-Originsmtdna.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Z0t2ZyWW/Advancedmatches1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/pLZWGPSf/Advancedmatches2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/N0CgtpBL/Advancedmatches3.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/zB98bvLr/Advancedmatches4.jpg
Some of your cousin matches are Jewish.
Mortimer
12-21-2019, 02:51 AM
Some of your cousin matches are Jewish.
Thanks, bro. I wrote the customer service. I asked whether it is jewish. They have access to all my results. Im very excited. It would be coolf if my mtdna is jewish then I would be halachically jewish because direct maternal. But Im anyways a small percent autosomally too. On ftdna 2% sephardi and on 23andme 1.4% ashkenazi.
Smeagol
12-21-2019, 02:56 AM
then I would be halachically jewish because direct maternal.
My condolences.
My condolences.
What have you gained by not being halachically Jewish?
Thanks, bro. I wrote the customer service. I asked whether it is jewish. They have access to all my results. Im very excited. It would be coolf if my mtdna is jewish then I would be halachically jewish because direct maternal. But Im anyways a small percent autosomally too. On ftdna 2% sephardi and on 23andme 1.4% ashkenazi.
The Jewish cousin matches seem to be your autosomal matches.
Smeagol
12-21-2019, 03:03 AM
What have you gained by not being halachically Jewish?
The Jews don't consider me one of them.
Mortimer
12-21-2019, 03:03 AM
The Jewish cousin matches seem to be your autosomal matches.
Ok. I see.
The Jews don't consider me one of them.
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
Mortimer
12-21-2019, 03:28 AM
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
Do you think my great grandmother looks a bit like Anne Frank? I suspect she might have been a little jewish maybe. Maybe Im wrong and it was on another line from another ancestor though.
I think her features show armenoid traits.
https://i.postimg.cc/jd00NCX8/Ivanka-Alexander.jpg
Do you think my great grandmother looks a bit like Anne Frank? I suspect she might have been a little jewish maybe. Maybe Im wrong and it was on another line from another ancestor though.
I think her features show armenoid traits.
https://i.postimg.cc/jd00NCX8/Ivanka-Alexander.jpg
Despite the common reasoning on TA, you don't looked Jewish by resembling a single Jew. Also, it's a morbid comparison. And no, I don't see it. Does she look plausibly Jewish? Sure.
Mortimer
12-22-2019, 07:31 AM
Despite the common reasoning on TA, you don't looked Jewish by resembling a single Jew. Also, it's a morbid comparison. And no, I don't see it. Does she look plausibly Jewish? Sure.
I want my goldshekel
Grace O'Malley
12-22-2019, 08:32 AM
My maternal grandmother was a Gypsy as far as I know. She was a quarter russian but from her maternal grandfather and not from her maternal grandmother. So I expected a gypsy haplogroup. But it looks like it is not. Or am I wrong?
All informations, welcomed. Does it look like it is germanic or jewish maybe?
https://i.postimg.cc/mkvfD552/Overview.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QNwr0FdG/mtdna-Printcertificateblank.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/5NzWGfXH/mtdnamatches.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/bJrKRPXw/mtdna-Haplogrouporigins.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/d1fgHfvm/Ancestral-Originsmtdna.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Z0t2ZyWW/Advancedmatches1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/pLZWGPSf/Advancedmatches2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/N0CgtpBL/Advancedmatches3.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/zB98bvLr/Advancedmatches4.jpg
You have very little mtdna matches and they are all at 3 step. I've done that test also I have 4 0 matches and many 1 step matches. My matches run to 6 pages so your mtdna must not be that numerous.
Lemgrant
12-22-2019, 10:44 AM
I want my goldshekel
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/a8/0d/97a80dad06ab17eb4f2a131bf32b89d7.jpg
Mortimer
12-24-2019, 03:52 PM
Hello Svetozar,
Thank you for contacting FTDNA! I do not see anything that would indicate that your mtDNA matches have Jewish ancestry, although you can always click on their name in your match list to get their email address from their profile and email them to ask. T2b5 is not a specifically Jewish haplogroup but that does not mean that there wouldn't be anyone who has this haplogroup with Jewish ancestry.
On the other hand, if you do an internet search for T2b5 or T2b5 in relation to Jewish ancestry, you can find more information. I always look at the Wikipedia page for a haplogroup, at least as a place to start and maps and find sources in the Wikipedia sources. I haven't looked into this so you will have to do your own homework, so to speak, but this article I found about "Sephardic signature in haplogroup T mitochondrial DNA" might interest you.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3306851/#
If someone is matching you on the mtFull Sequence test on all three coding regions (HVR1, HVR2, and the Coding Region) like these three people are that would mean that you and your matches have a common matrilineal ancestor within the last 24 generations or so, or roughly within the last 600 years. It would not be surprising if you had and your matches had an ancestor that far back in one of the German-speaking lands who had some descendants who went to Serbia and some who went to Scotland, maybe depending on whether they emigrated via the Danube or the Rhine. This is speculation but it is plausible. This wouldn't indicate that you have a German grandmother but rather that you and your matches would have had a common great-great-X-grandmother some time within the last 600 years or so.
TheForeigner
12-24-2019, 04:30 PM
I want my goldshekel
Begging again Mortimer? This is not a street corner you know. Take your family caroling and earn that gold shekel!:)
There is always the old shinebox too Morty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6wDhlKbmVY
Mortimer
12-24-2019, 05:09 PM
Begging again Mortimer? This is not a street corner you know. Take your family caroling and earn that gold shekel!:)
There is always the old shinebox too Morty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6wDhlKbmVY
Don't derail my threads always you do not contribute any information nor are you Jewish
https://media.giphy.com/media/PMPwpWrGFLu80/giphy.gif
Can you buy haplogroup tests for me? ;) I see you don't hesitate to spend so much money on nothing. A true Gypsy kang :Cash:
Mortimer
12-24-2019, 05:25 PM
Can you buy haplogroup tests for me? ;) I see you don't hesitate to spend so much money on nothing. A true Gypsy kang :Cash:
I'm not the only one who spends money on it
Mortimer
12-25-2019, 02:22 AM
Hello Svetozar,
Thank you for contacting FTDNA! I do not see anything that would indicate that your mtDNA matches have Jewish ancestry, although you can always click on their name in your match list to get their email address from their profile and email them to ask. T2b5 is not a specifically Jewish haplogroup but that does not mean that there wouldn't be anyone who has this haplogroup with Jewish ancestry.
On the other hand, if you do an internet search for T2b5 or T2b5 in relation to Jewish ancestry, you can find more information. I always look at the Wikipedia page for a haplogroup, at least as a place to start and maps and find sources in the Wikipedia sources. I haven't looked into this so you will have to do your own homework, so to speak, but this article I found about "Sephardic signature in haplogroup T mitochondrial DNA" might interest you.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3306851/#
If someone is matching you on the mtFull Sequence test on all three coding regions (HVR1, HVR2, and the Coding Region) like these three people are that would mean that you and your matches have a common matrilineal ancestor within the last 24 generations or so, or roughly within the last 600 years. It would not be surprising if you had and your matches had an ancestor that far back in one of the German-speaking lands who had some descendants who went to Serbia and some who went to Scotland, maybe depending on whether they emigrated via the Danube or the Rhine. This is speculation but it is plausible. This wouldn't indicate that you have a German grandmother but rather that you and your matches would have had a common great-great-X-grandmother some time within the last 600 years or so.
Maybe I have a Volksdeutsch ancestor is that possible too?
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