Classify some Med-looking Irish celebrities

[Tooting Carmen]

According to some people, Irish people are all uniformly pasty even when dark-haired. Hmm...

Conor Murray, rugby player
https://cdn-03.independent.ie/sport/rugby/article37562509.ece/0b625/AUTOCROP/w620/P5.murray.JPG

Colin Farrell, actor
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/colin-farrell-dumbo.jpg?w=1000

Keely Shaye-Smith, ex-wife of Pierce Brosnan
https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/12133443/Pierce-and-Keely.jpg

Andrea Corr, singer
https://img.rasset.ie/00120f3e-500.jpg

Christine Bleakley and Eamonn Holmes, TV presenters
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/750x445/1165615.jpg

Gillian Norris, dancer
http://www.celtic.hu/lordofthedance/pix/gn3.jpg

Colin Murray, sports journalist
https://cdn-02.independent.ie/incoming/article29403019.ece/855f4/AUTOCROP/w620/colin-murray.jpg

Aidan Turner, actor
https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/ZVwwI1ykBepMbIWs0CEo7YFGyM4/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2015/03/06/505/n/2589278/38150f5c_edit_img_cover_file_401219_1425639672_aid an/i/Hottest-Pictures-Poldark-Aidan-Turner.jpg

[MobyD]

I wouldn’t call any of them super typical for Ireland, although dark hair/olive skin combos are likely a result of Iberian admixture. However, in response to your question; they all look either Atlanto-Med or Paleo-Atlantid.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyone else?

[Grace O'Malley]

I wouldn’t call any of them super typical for Ireland, although dark hair/olive skin combos are likely a result of Iberian admixture. However, in response to your question; they all look either Atlanto-Med or Paleo-Atlantid.

It isn't from Iberian admixture though. When did a significant Iberian migration go to Ireland? Most populations have people that have a range of colouring. Colin Farrell for instance has had a dna test and came out something like 98.6% British & Irish. Also Irish cluster all in the same general vicinity. They don't pull towards Iberia for instance. What would you think if one brother was dark and the other lighter? Do you think their genetics would be different? Anyway just trying to explain that if an Irishman is dark he still would be Irish genetically.

[Joso]

Mainly atlanto-meds and atlantids.

[Kivan]

Gilian Norris is Dinaro-Med, the last two guys are Gracile-Med and Transmed respectively.
The rest are Paleo-Atlantids.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anybody else?

[Celestia]

Mainly Atlanto-meds, Colin Murray looks mixed? Is he?

[Tooting Carmen]

Mainly Atlanto-meds, Collin Murray looks mixed? Is he?

Not to my knowledge.

[Celestia]

Not to my knowledge.

Oh ok. I wonder if any Irish members can confirm if his look is common? I wouldn’t think so but I could be wrong

[Imperator Biff]

Oh ok. I wonder if any Irish members can confirm if his look is common? I wouldn’t think so but I could be wrong

It isn’t really.

[Daco Celtic]

Ireland didn't need southern influence to have dark features in the population the same way ancient Greeks and Romans didn't need northern influence to have blondes in their population. All this stuff is naturally occurring, albeit in small numbers.

[Zroota]

Conor Murray looks like a pigmented Anglo-Saxon and Faelid IMO. I guess he will be Atlantid. Not Med.

The rest do look Mediterranean.

[Samnium]

Conor Murray looks like a pigmented Anglo-Saxon and Faelid IMO. I guess he will be Atlantid. Not Med.

The rest do look Mediterranean.

He looks like an irish Kraftwerk/Evrim.

[JamesBond007]

According to some people, Irish people are all uniformly pasty even when dark-haired. Hmm...

Conor Murray, rugby player
https://cdn-03.independent.ie/sport/rugby/article37562509.ece/0b625/AUTOCROP/w620/P5.murray.JPG

Colin Farrell, actor
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/colin-farrell-dumbo.jpg?w=1000

Keely Shaye-Smith, ex-wife of Pierce Brosnan
https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/12133443/Pierce-and-Keely.jpg

Andrea Corr, singer
https://img.rasset.ie/00120f3e-500.jpg

Christine Bleakley and Eamonn Holmes, TV presenters
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/750x445/1165615.jpg

Gillian Norris, dancer
http://www.celtic.hu/lordofthedance/pix/gn3.jpg

Colin Murray, sports journalist
https://cdn-02.independent.ie/incoming/article29403019.ece/855f4/AUTOCROP/w620/colin-murray.jpg

Aidan Turner, actor
https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/ZVwwI1ykBepMbIWs0CEo7YFGyM4/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2015/03/06/505/n/2589278/38150f5c_edit_img_cover_file_401219_1425639672_aid an/i/Hottest-Pictures-Poldark-Aidan-Turner.jpg


Dude, Smith and Turner are English surnames. I have dark hair and eyes like Turner but look more Scottish looking. Only 3% of Ireland looks like those people compared to 30% of Wales, 10% of Scotland (most common in the southwest), and 10% of England ( A blend of Mesolithic Atlanto-Mediterranean invaders with both earlier and later arrivals which is most common in the Midlands and northwest). It is not an Irish look at all really since 3% is not statistically significant. Instead of Spanish sailor myths it could come from the Cambro-Normans (Welsh Norman) invaders etc...

[Übermensch]

These people are not pasty, but defenetelly not dark/olive skinned, most of Irish (93%) are either skin type I or II, these people are skin type III.

[Atlantid]

It isn't from Iberian admixture though. When did a significant Iberian migration go to Ireland? Most populations have people that have a range of colouring. Colin Farrell for instance has had a dna test and came out something like 98.6% British & Irish. Also Irish cluster all in the same general vicinity. They don't pull towards Iberia for instance. What would you think if one brother was dark and the other lighter? Do you think their genetics would be different? Anyway just trying to explain that if an Irishman is dark he still would be Irish genetically.

That's why you need to check Y and mtDNA. The genetic markers that that company happened to check out in his autosomal DNA came out "British and Irish" whatever that means, because the Irish are distinct from the Scottish, and English, and the Welsh as well. It literally means nothing.

Now do you get why autosomal DNA is bullshit?

[Tooting Carmen]

Dude, Smith and Turner are English surnames. I have dark hair and eyes like Turner but look more Scottish looking. Only 3% of Ireland looks like those people compared to 30% of Wales, 10% of Scotland (most common in the southwest), and 10% of England ( A blend of Mesolithic Atlanto-Mediterranean invaders with both earlier and later arrivals which is most common in the Midlands and northwest).

Rather random and bullshit stats those.

[Übermensch]

According to Hooton this is the skin pigmentation of Irish males:

0,3% pale (must be extremly white, pratically albino skin)
91,6% pink (must include I and II)
7,8% brunett (must include III)
0,3% ''swartzy'' (must include IV)
the following categories were not found at all:
light brown
light yellow brown

[JamesBond007]

Rather random and bullshit stats those.

More like common sense but :


"common sense is not so common." -- Voltaire

Anyway , don't take it from me take it from a real Irishman on how common the look is in Ireland :




It isn’t really.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310698-Classify-some-Med-looking-Irish-celebrities&p=6410586&viewfull=1#post6410586

[nittionia]

maybe a lot of meds just look like some irish people

[Übermensch]

Hair colour:

Golden blond: 0,9%
ash blond: 0,1%
red: 4,2%
black: 2,8%
dark brown: 39,8%
brown/light brown: 34,7%
golden brown/dark blond: 8,9%
ash brown: 0,5%
red brown: 5,3%

eye colour:

brown: 0,5%
gray brown: 5%
green brown: 3,4%
blue brown (aka blue/green): 43,9%
gray: 4,4%
blue: 42,4%

So Irish are predominantly very light skinned,light eyed and dark haired.

[Grace O'Malley]

Mainly Atlanto-meds, Colin Murray looks mixed? Is he?

I can understand people thinking that but some Irish do have an interesting look. Of course as pointed out it isn't the majority but it just shows that there is diversity in all populations no matter how people stereotype. One of my favourites is Darren O'Dea.

https://www.sundaypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2019/05/2.38523047-620x349.jpg
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/480/cpsprodpb/146CA/production/_107085638_956857.jpg
https://c3.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/republic-of-ireland-soccer-players-4-310x415.jpg
https://images.thestar.com/sHP2wxE7264xBSLzay8OlPcIWYc=/1200x851/smart/filters:cb(2700061000)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/sports/tfc/2013/07/18/extoronto_fc_captain_darren_odea_leaves_for_ukrain e_with_no_hard_feelings/darren_o_dea.jpg

[Celestia]

Nice, he’s very handsome.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's why you need to check Y and mtDNA. The genetic markers that that company happened to check out in his autosomal DNA came out "British and Irish" whatever that means, because the Irish are distinct from the Scottish, and English, and the Welsh as well. It literally means nothing.

Now do you get why autosomal DNA is bullshit?

No I don't agree and surely you know what "British & Irish" means? For 23&Me it would be a panel that comprises of people with long term ancestry in that region. British & Irish on 23&Me is very Irish centric so that Irish people match that category very well. So for Colin to match that so well he has to be the same as the other people in that panel. The Irish are not distinct from the other populations of the Isles. Where did you get that idea from? Why would they be distinct? All Isles populations are very similar genetically which is why they form a cluster. How much do you know about genetics?

[Grace O'Malley]

Nice, he’s very handsome.

Yes I agree.

[JamesBond007]

No I don't agree and surely you know what "British & Irish" means? For 23&Me it would be a panel that comprises of people with long term ancestry in that region. British & Irish on 23&Me is very Irish centric so that Irish people match that category very well. So for Colin to match that so well he has to be the same as the other people in that panel. The Irish are not distinct from the other populations of the Isles. Where did you get that idea from? Why would they be distinct? All Isles populations are very similar genetically which is why they form a cluster. How much do you know about genetics?

Scots and the English are certainly different from the Irish genetically. Mainland Scots are halfway genetically between the native Irish and Welsh and the Germanics/English and the English are more Germanic than both the Scots and much more than the Irish. That is studying Y-DNA etc... these autosomal tests are all over the place.

[Grace O'Malley]

Scots and the English are certainly different from the Irish genetically. Mainland Scots are halfway genetically between the native Irish and Welsh and the Germanics/English and the English are more Germanic than both the Scots and much more than the Irish. That is studying Y-DNA etc... these autosomal tests are all over the place.

Ydna and Mtdna do not correspond to autosomal dna. Autosomally the Isles populations are very similar as numerous studies has now shown. This is just not debatable.

[Morena]

Farmer blood is strong with them. :D A rare type, but very interesting.

[JamesBond007]

Ydna and Mtdna do not correspond to autosomal dna. Autosomally the Isles populations are very similar as numerous studies has now shown. This is just not debatable.

AutosomalDNA is bullshit. 23andme and Ancestry DNA rawdata will give you different results e.g. in Gedmatch. Different Gedmatch analysis has me as Volga German, Irish, mixed Germanic, Cornish, Dutch, Southern English etc... as my single population closest match.

Also, that Scots have more Germanic influence from Norway and Northumbria is common sense and there are more sheep than people in highland Scotland.

[Latinus]

It isn't from Iberian admixture though. When did a significant Iberian migration go to Ireland? Most populations have people that have a range of colouring. Colin Farrell for instance has had a dna test and came out something like 98.6% British & Irish. Also Irish cluster all in the same general vicinity. They don't pull towards Iberia for instance. What would you think if one brother was dark and the other lighter? Do you think their genetics would be different? Anyway just trying to explain that if an Irishman is dark he still would be Irish genetically.

Yes, being a phenotypical outlier doesn't mean the same aplies to his/her genetics.

[Daco Celtic]

AutosomalDNA is bullshit. 23andme and Ancestry DNA rawdata will give you different results e.g. in Gedmatch. Different Gedmatch analysis has me as Volga German, Irish, mixed Germanic, Cornish, Dutch, Southern English etc... as my single population closest match.

Also, that Scots have more Germanic influence from Norway and Northumbria is common sense and there are more sheep than people in highland Scotland.

IMO it's 23andMe that is generally correct and the other calculators that are off. Also, it's childish to whine about the inaccuracy of genetic calculators, they are a work in progress and it's absurd to expect some kind of perfection.

[Latinus]

Mainly Med.

[Grace O'Malley]

AutosomalDNA is bullshit. 23andme and Ancestry DNA rawdata will give you different results e.g. in Gedmatch. Different Gedmatch analysis has me as Volga German, Irish, mixed Germanic, Cornish, Dutch, Southern English etc... as my single population closest match.

Also, that Scots have more Germanic influence from Norway and Northumbria is common sense and there are more sheep than people in highland Scotland.

Northumbria has a lot of Celtic influence. With the Scots on the recent study it is only the Western Isles of Scotland that have a significant Norse influence i.e. Orkneys and Shetlands. The Irish in fact have more Norse influence than the mainland Scots. All dna studies show that Irish and West Scots are the closest to each other. Different areas of Scotland do have different affinities but all of the Isles are very similar genetically.

No point bringing up yourself either. You aren't even fully Isles ancestrally. It's not all about you. :rolleyes:

[JamesBond007]

IMO it's 23andMe that is generally correct and the other calculators that are off. Also, it's childish to whine about the inaccuracy of genetic calculators, they are a work in progress and it's absurd to expect some kind of perfection.

I am expecting perfection but Volga German and Irish are very different.Also, Eurogenes K13 hase as Irish and Eurogenes K15 as English and that is not acceptable by any sane human.

[Grace O'Malley]

Farmer blood is strong with them. :D A rare type, but very interesting.

They'd all most likely have more Steppe blood which is the case for all Irish. It's not like a blond or redheaded Irish person is going to be different genetically than their brunet brothers.

[Morena]

They'd all most likely have more Steppe blood which is the case for all Irish. It's not like a blond or redheaded Irish person is going to be different genetically than their brunet brothers.

Yes, I know. I'm just saying they're exhibiting Neolithic Farmer traits. Isn't that a part of the Irish too? I know you're mostly Steppe genetically but you have some Farmer blood. Sometimes, it says "Hello."

[Daco Celtic]

I am expecting perfection but Volga German and Irish are very different.Also, Eurogenes K13 hase as Irish and Eurogenes K15 as English and that is not acceptable by any sane human.

Yeah, but you are a little mixed which is tough on these calculators. Don't you have a little German or French? It was ok for my mom who is about 95% Irish, tiny bit of English.

K-13

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 1.64
2 Orcadian 1.88
3 West_Scottish 2.32

k-15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 2.24
2 Irish 3.72
3 Danish 3.72

[JamesBond007]

Northumbria has a lot of Celtic influence. With the Scots on the recent study it is only the Western Isles of Scotland that have a significant Norse influence i.e. Orkneys and Shetlands. The Irish in fact have more Norse influence than the mainland Scots. All dna studies show that Irish and West Scots are the closest to each other. Different areas of Scotland do have different affinities but all of the Isles are very similar genetically.

No point bringing up yourself either. You aren't even fully Isles ancestrally. It's not all about you. :rolleyes:

That is not true Mary Queen of Scots House of Guise is from Lorraine France and half her ancestry was from there and 25% of my ancestry is from there and there were Flemish artisans in Lowland Scotland.

These new studies are politically correct motivated bullshit as Scotland has more Tronder and Anglo-Saxon types than Ireland and Yorkshire Northumbria is the most Anglo-Saxon part of England

Also, bring up myself ? If autosomal DNA cannot pinpoint little old me correctly then how do you expect it to scale to larger data sets genius?

I do not have time to talk to you as I can feel my IQ drop in the process. Modern science is compromised by politics.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, I know. I'm just saying they're exhibiting Neolithic Farmer traits. Isn't that a part of the Irish too? I know you're mostly Steppe genetically but you have some Farmer blood. Sometimes, it says "Hello."

I was just trying to show that you can't isolate a trait and say it comes from such and such. I don't think all dark looks can be attributed to Neolithic Farmers or Iberian populations. Also people claiming blond hair and blue eyes is due to some Viking blow in etc. It's not that simplistic. I enjoy your input though but it's like people saying that someone like Alicia Vikander can't be Scandinavian because she has darker colouring.

[Grace O'Malley]

That is not true Mary Queen of Scots House of Guise is from Lorraine France and half her ancestry was from there and 25% of my ancestry is from there and there were Flemish artisans in Lowland Scotland.

These new studies are politically correct motivated bullshit as Scotland has more Tronder and Anglo-Saxon types than Ireland and Yorkshire Northumbria is the most Anglo-Saxon part of England

Also, bring up myself ? If autosomal DNA cannot pinpoint little old me correctly then how do you expect it to scale to larger data sets genius?

I do not have time to talk to you as I can feel my IQ drop in the process. Modern science is cpromised by politics.

I feel my IQ drop talking to you. You just come out with the same old spiel and it is really impossible to have an intelligent and civilised conversation with you. I hate being rude but you get what you give. I think you have delusions of superiority which is obvious to anyone on here. :) Anyway I don't take you too seriously. You are just one of the oddballs that are unique to this forum.

[Dick]

Get a room already you two xD

[Peterski]

But half of them are not Med-looking at all.

For example Andrea Corr, closer to "Alpinid".

[Zuh]

But half of them are not Med-looking at all.

For example Andrea Corr, closer to "Alpinid".

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310746-Classify-mexican-chicano-guy

[Grace O'Malley]

But half of them are not Med-looking at all.

For example Andrea Corr, closer to "Alpinid".

I agree with this. I always think that someone like Colin Farrell looks obviously Irish. Look at that profile? :)

https://hairstyles.thehairstyler.com/hairstyle_views/right_view_images/1183/original/Colin-Farrell.jpg

http://t.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/boys/1680x1050/ColinFarrell73.jpg

[Morena]

I was just trying to show that you can't isolate a trait and say it comes from such and such. I don't think all dark looks can be attributed to Neolithic Farmers or Iberian populations. Also people claiming blond hair and blue eyes is due to some Viking blow in etc. It's not that simplistic. I enjoy your input though but it like people saying that someone like Alicia Vikander can't be Scandinavian because she has darker colouring.

Well, the WHG, Steppe, and Farmers were all very different and distinctive from each other. They had specific looks. And the Farmers had a certain look, which people call "Mediterranean." It's only natural that someone who exhibits looks that are associated with Farmers, having ancestry from them, that one should think that it is an inheritance from them. Or rather, that they exhibiting those traits as opposed to other ancestries they possess. It doesn't mean that they are less Irish or anything, they're just exhibiting traits that are considered "Farmer."

I agree it's not that simple, but look at them! ;)

I think that people who look for recent reasons for someone's unique looks is barking up the wrong tree. Their Mediterranean inclination probably has to do with that small - but not insignificant - Farmer input than anything within the last thousand years. You know I don't believe that Iberian/Irish connection/legend. I think it's an ancient Founder's Legend (based on the journey from Anatolia) that became more elaborate over time. And then, for political reasons (we don't like those protestant English) it became associated with Spain.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well, the WHG, Steppe, and Farmers were all very different and distinctive from each other. They had specific looks. And the Farmers had a certain look, which people call "Mediterranean." It's only natural that someone who exhibits looks that are associated with Farmers, having ancestry from them, that one should think that it is an inheritance from them. Or rather, that they exhibiting those traits as opposed to other ancestries they possess. It doesn't mean that they are less Irish or anything, they're just exhibiting traits that are considered "Farmer."

I agree it's not that simple, but look at them! ;)

I think that people who look for recent reasons for someone's unique looks is barking up the wrong tree. Their Mediterranean inclination probably has to do with that small - but not insignificant - Farmer input than anything within the last thousand years. You know I don't believe that Iberian/Irish connection/legend. I think it's an ancient Founder's Legend (based on the journey from Anatolia) that became more elaborate over time. And then, for political reasons (we don't like those protestant English) it became associated with Spain.

The thing though is that WHGs had dark skin and also Yamnaya tested were brown eyed and darker skin than any modern day Europeans. This shift to light skin only started relatively recently in Europeans i.e. over the last 8,000 years. The same with traits like being able to digest lactose. Also if you look at Globular Amphora who were Farmers many of them had traits for lighter hair, eyes and skin.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

[Dick]

The thing though is that WHGs had dark skin and also Yamnaya tested were brown eyed and darker skin than any modern day Europeans. This shift to light skin only started relatively recently in Europeans i.e. over the last 8,000 years. The same with traits like being able to digest lactose. Also if you look at Globular Amphora who were Farmers many of them had traits for lighter hair, eyes and skin.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

Globular Amphora mixed with Scandinavian hunter gatherers. I guess the HGs weren’t all the same either

[Grace O'Malley]

Globular Amphora mixed with Scandinavian hunter gatherers. I guess the HGs weren’t all the same either

Yes it's complicated. Europeans always had diversity in colouring. Populations like the Irish have a lot less complicated history though than Southeast Europe or even Spain and Portugal.

[Dick]

Well, the WHG, Steppe, and Farmers were all very different and distinctive from each other. They had specific looks. And the Farmers had a certain look, which people call "Mediterranean." It's only natural that someone who exhibits looks that are associated with Farmers, having ancestry from them, that one should think that it is an inheritance from them. Or rather, that they exhibiting those traits as opposed to other ancestries they possess. It doesn't mean that they are less Irish or anything, they're just exhibiting traits that are considered "Farmer."

I agree it's not that simple, but look at them! ;)

I think that people who look for recent reasons for someone's unique looks is barking up the wrong tree. Their Mediterranean inclination probably has to do with that small - but not insignificant - Farmer input than anything within the last thousand years. You know I don't believe that Iberian/Irish connection/legend. I think it's an ancient Founder's Legend (based on the journey from Anatolia) that became more elaborate over time. And then, for political reasons (we don't like those protestant English) it became associated with Spain.

Light hair/eyes in north west and north east euros comes from GLobular Amphora culture neolithics. steppe yamnaya invaders were dark haired, dark eyed hook nosed wogs, in other words they are the ones that infused Europeans with sharper features such as dinarid, Baskid, Keltic nordid etc which isn’t really a Nordic phenotype anyway

[Dick]

Yes it's complicated. Europeans always had diversity in colouring. Populations like the Irish have a lot less complicated history though than Southeast Europe or even Spain and Portugal.


Yes read my last post. Your answer to those pseudo mong/Baltic Irish types. They’re not mong at all rather old Europeans phenotypes

[JamesBond007]

I feel my IQ drop talking to you. You just come out with the same old spiel and it is really impossible to have an intelligent and civilised conversation with you. I hate being rude but you get what you give. I think you have delusions of superiority which is obvious to anyone on here. :) Anyway I don't take you too seriously. You are just one of the oddballs that are unique to this forum.

Really, I guess you have never been to a Mensa meeting, they are full of oddballs. Not surprising since they would not let you in since you are not smart enough. This is not the happy child hood of science as Albert Einstein once described the time of Isaac Newton when science may still have had honour.

I think you fail to understand just how compromised modern science is by political correctness. James Watson had his noble prize stripped from him, temporarily, and was ostracized from the scientific community for making politically incorrect statements about blacks and intelligence.

Also, delusions of superiority ? It is not hard to be one pf the smartest on internet forums nowadays since internet forums are dying and have an identity crisis compared to the vertical media FAANG tyranny that now dominates the internet. This is not 2010 but 2019 close to 2020 my dear !

Also, yeah, my IQ is in the superior range and unlike you instead of just 'reading studies on the internet' like an illiterate I also read books because I am smarter than you :


In recent decades the Replacement Theory has been the common wisdom in the field. It had firmer archaeological backing, and was more politically correct (scientists had no desire to open up the Pandora’s box of racism by claiming significant genetic diversity among modern human populations). But that ended in 2010, when the results of a four-year effort to map the Neanderthal genome were published. Geneticists were able to collect enough intact Neanderthal DNA from fossils to make a broad comparison between it and the DNA of contemporary humans. The results stunned the scientific community.

It turned out that 1–4 per cent of the unique human DNA of modern populations in the Middle East and Europe is Neanderthal DNA. That’s not a huge amount, but it’s significant. A second shock came several months later, when DNA extracted from the fossilised finger from Denisova was mapped. The results proved that up to 6 per cent of the unique human DNA of modern Melanesians and Aboriginal Australians is Denisovan DNA.

If these results are valid – and it’s important to keep in mind that further research is under way and may either reinforce or modify these conclusions – the Interbreeders got at least some things right. But that doesn’t mean that the Replacement Theory is completely wrong. Since Neanderthals and Denisovans contributed only a small amount of DNA to our present-day genome, it is impossible to speak of a ‘merger’ between Sapiens and other human species. Although differences between them were not large enough to completely prevent fertile intercourse, they were sufficient to make such contacts very rare. ... -- from the book "Sapiens : A Brief History of Humankind" -- by Doctor Yuval Noah Harari

So much for science not being influenced by politics. Notice how he said 'new studies are under way' which may 'modify' these politically incorrect conclusions ? Just like you keep talking about 'new studies' that modify shit. Also, he talked about scientists being concerned about the Pandora's box of racism. Gee, why would that not also be a factor in talking about the truth of the ethnic difference between the Irish and the British ? You are either incredibly stupid or naive or both.

Science and philosophy are very similar in that they are supposed to deal with objective truths. However, they are different in their methods. A philosophical truth can be confirmed by the everyday man while a scientific truth can only be confirmed by special experiences not readily available to everyone e.g. a laboratory experiment or confirmation. Have you confirmed these results in a Lab to see if it is politically correct motivated pseudo-science ? No !

Also, there is rampant fraud in the science community over statistical P-value hacking :


And all this is assuming that the scientists in question are playing fair. But that doesn’t always happen. Remember the wiggle-room problem that ensnared the Bible coders? Scientists, subject to the intense pressure to publish lest they perish, are not immune to the same wiggly temptations. If you run your analysis and get a p-value of .06, you’re supposed to conclude that your results are statistically insignificant. But it takes a lot of mental strength to stuff years of work in the file drawer. After all, don’t the numbers for that one experimental subject look a little screwy? Probably an outlier, maybe try deleting that line of the spreadsheet. Did we control for age? Did we control for the weather outside? Did we control for age and the weather outside? Give yourself license to tweak and shade the statistical tests you carry out on your results, and you can often get that .06 down to a .04. Uri Simonsohn, a professor at Penn who’s a leader in the study of replicability, calls these practices “p-hacking.” Hacking the p isn’t usually as crude as I’ve made it out to be, and it’s seldom malicious. The p-hackers truly believe in their hypotheses, just as the Bible coders do, and when you’re a believer, it’s easy to come up with reasons that the analysis that gives a publishable p-value is the one you should have done in the first place.

But everybody knows it’s not really right. When they don’t think anyone’s listening, scientists call this practice “torturing the data until it confesses.” And the reliability of the results are about what you’d expect from confessions extracted by force.

Assessing the scale of the p-hacking problem is not so easy—you can’t examine the papers that are hidden in the file drawer or were simply never written, just as you can’t examine the downed planes in Germany to see where they were hit. But you can, like Abraham Wald, make some inferences about data you can’t measure directly. ... --from the book "How Not to be Wrong : The Power of Mathematical Thinking"--by Jordan Ellenberg

Then there is this from the same book :


"... John Ioannidis, a Greek high school math star turned biomedical researcher whose 2005 paper “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False” touched off a fierce bout of self-criticism (and a second wave of self-defense) in the clinical sciences. ..."--Jordan Ellenberg

Here is your dunce cap Grace :

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/woman-wearing-dunce-cap-writing-260nw-266040494.jpg

[JamesBond007]

I feel my IQ drop talking to you. You just come out with the same old spiel and it is really impossible to have an intelligent and civilised conversation with you. I hate being rude but you get what you give. I think you have delusions of superiority which is obvious to anyone on here. :) Anyway I don't take you too seriously. You are just one of the oddballs that are unique to this forum.

I am smarter than you this not even debatable and is a patently obvious objective truth. Just see my last post for example. You could never post anything that smart because you are dumber than me and just read 'scientific periodicals' and don't read books because you are illiterate and everyone knows smart people, like myself, actually read books.

[JamesBond007]

Really, I guess you have never been to a Mensa meeting, they are full of oddballs. Not surprising since they would not let you in since you are not smart enough. This is not the happy child hood of science as Albert Einstein once described the time of Isaac Newton when science may still have had honour.

I think you fail to understand just how compromised modern science is by political correctness. James Watson had his noble prize stripped from him, temporarily, and was ostracized from the scientific community for making politically incorrect statements about blacks and intelligence.

Also, delusions of superiority ? It is not hard to one of the smartest on internet forums nowadays since internet forums are dying and have an identity crisis compared to the vertical media FAANG tyranny that now dominates the internet. This is not 2010 but 2019 close to 2020 my dear !

Also, yeah, my IQ is in the superior range and unlike you instead of just 'reading studies on the internet' like an illiterate I also read books because I am smarter than you :


In recent decades the Replacement Theory has been the common wisdom in the field. It had firmer archaeological backing, and was more politically correct (scientists had no desire to open up the Pandora’s box of racism by claiming significant genetic diversity among modern human populations). But that ended in 2010, when the results of a four-year effort to map the Neanderthal genome were published. Geneticists were able to collect enough intact Neanderthal DNA from fossils to make a broad comparison between it and the DNA of contemporary humans. The results stunned the scientific community.

It turned out that 1–4 per cent of the unique human DNA of modern populations in the Middle East and Europe is Neanderthal DNA. That’s not a huge amount, but it’s significant. A second shock came several months later, when DNA extracted from the fossilised finger from Denisova was mapped. The results proved that up to 6 per cent of the unique human DNA of modern Melanesians and Aboriginal Australians is Denisovan DNA.

If these results are valid – and it’s important to keep in mind that further research is under way and may either reinforce or modify these conclusions – the Interbreeders got at least some things right. But that doesn’t mean that the Replacement Theory is completely wrong. Since Neanderthals and Denisovans contributed only a small amount of DNA to our present-day genome, it is impossible to speak of a ‘merger’ between Sapiens and other human species. Although differences between them were not large enough to completely prevent fertile intercourse, they were sufficient to make such contacts very rare. ... -- from the book "Sapiens : A Brief History of Humankind" -- by Doctor Yuval Noah Harari

So much for science not being influenced by politics. Notice how he said 'new studies are under way' which may 'modify' these politically incorrect conclusions ? Just like you keep talking about 'new studies' that modify shit. Also, he talked about scientists being concerned about the Pandora's box of racism. Gee, why would that not also be a factor in talking about the truth of the ethnic difference between the Irish and the British ? You are either incredibly stupid or naive or both.

Science and philosophy are very similar in that they are supposed to deal with objective truths. However, they are different in their methods. A philosophical truth can be confirmed by the everyday man while a scientific truth can only be confirmed by special experiences not readily available to everyone e.g. a laboratory experiment or confirmation. Have you confirmed these results in a Lab to see if it is politically correct motivated pseudo-science ? No !

Also, there is rampant fraud in the science community over statistical P-value hacking :


And all this is assuming that the scientists in question are playing fair. But that doesn’t always happen. Remember the wiggle-room problem that ensnared the Bible coders? Scientists, subject to the intense pressure to publish lest they perish, are not immune to the same wiggly temptations. If you run your analysis and get a p-value of .06, you’re supposed to conclude that your results are statistically insignificant. But it takes a lot of mental strength to stuff years of work in the file drawer. After all, don’t the numbers for that one experimental subject look a little screwy? Probably an outlier, maybe try deleting that line of the spreadsheet. Did we control for age? Did we control for the weather outside? Did we control for age and the weather outside? Give yourself license to tweak and shade the statistical tests you carry out on your results, and you can often get that .06 down to a .04. Uri Simonsohn, a professor at Penn who’s a leader in the study of replicability, calls these practices “p-hacking.” Hacking the p isn’t usually as crude as I’ve made it out to be, and it’s seldom malicious. The p-hackers truly believe in their hypotheses, just as the Bible coders do, and when you’re a believer, it’s easy to come up with reasons that the analysis that gives a publishable p-value is the one you should have done in the first place.

But everybody knows it’s not really right. When they don’t think anyone’s listening, scientists call this practice “torturing the data until it confesses.” And the reliability of the results are about what you’d expect from confessions extracted by force.

Assessing the scale of the p-hacking problem is not so easy—you can’t examine the papers that are hidden in the file drawer or were simply never written, just as you can’t examine the downed planes in Germany to see where they were hit. But you can, like Abraham Wald, make some inferences about data you can’t measure directly. ... --from the book "How Not to be Wrong : The Power of Mathematical Thinking"--by Jordan Ellenberg

Then there is this from the same book :


... John Ioannidis, a Greek high school math star turned biomedical researcher whose 2005 paper “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False” touched off a fierce bout of self-criticism (and a second wave of self-defense) in the clinical sciences. ...--Jordan Ellenberg

Here is your dunce cap Grace :

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/woman-wearing-dunce-cap-writing-260nw-266040494.jpg

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/significant.png

[Grace O'Malley]

I am smarter than you this not even debatable and is a patently obvious objective truth. Just see my last post for example. You could never post anything that smart because you are dumber than me and just read 'scientific periodicals' and don't read books because you are illiterate and everyone knows smart people, like myself, actually read books.

Stop posting these pathetic and narcissistic posts. No one is interested.

[Peterski]

Well, the WHG, Steppe, and Farmers were all very different and distinctive from each other. They had specific looks.

Kurts 1984 distinguished three main types among Steppe people when looking at their skulls:

Type 1) - "Dolichocephalic individuals, with broad faces of medium height"
Type 2) - "More robust elements with high and wide faces of the Proto-Europoid type"
Type 3) - "More gracile individuals with narrow and high faces of the East Mediterranean type"

^^^ They were pretty diverse already back before expanding from Eastern Europe to the west.

When you Google-search "Yamnaya reconstructions" you can see many different looks there.

Some examples:

Reconstruction based on a morph of many different reconstructions, "average Steppe man":

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/55/bb/8c55bba70612fee0f34f6e6e62716b13.jpg

^^^
But Steppe people were diverse on individual level, for example differences like between these:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Yamna_culture.jpg

http://i008.radikal.ru/1201/ee/32a937e78cb6.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Yamna_cultdure.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lCJc7aq.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c633318/v633318114/2aec9/rujsiHCWICU.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c633318/v633318114/2aed0/CyAEehQXls0.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c633318/v633318114/2aef5/oKnT_vhySmE.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c633318/v633318114/2aedc/VEymmjyE8po.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/12/48/b6124805608b069ec052c6da33833486.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a5/19/8e/a5198ea06fb0f271a9cc54c7e2db2666--ware.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3xSTNGr.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/70/Yamna_Srubnik.jpg/390px-Yamna_Srubnik.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MoxZb8M.jpg

As for Neolithic Farmers, they probably looked the most like modern Sardinians.

And Hunter-Gatherers could look similar to at least some of modern Estonians.

[JamesBond007]

Stop posting these pathetic and narcissistic posts. No one is interested.

Stop posting these intellectually vapid shallow one or two liners -- no one is interested in your low IQ posts.

[Grace O'Malley]

Stop posting these intellectually vapid shallow one or two liners -- no one is interested in your low IQ posts.

No one is interested in your completely unrelated and tedious posts. Let's get back on topic Mr Einstein. :)

[Creoda]

I know it's said lately that we get 'Nordic' features like Blondism and light eyes mostly from Global Amphora Farmers, but I still find that hard to believe. They were only c. 25% WHG, the rest Anatolian. I can't even picture it.

[Daco Celtic]

What about the idea that blondism was partially based on preference rather than being a completely natural occurring feature in all of Northern Europe. For example, I've heard accounts of the Vikings actually being less blonde than Scandinavians of the 20th century and that a selection for blonde features occurred over the last thousand years.

[Grace O'Malley]

I know it's said lately that we get 'Nordic' features like Blondism and light eyes mostly from Global Amphora Farmers, but I still find that hard to believe. They were only c. 25% WHG, the rest Anatolian. I can't even picture it.

I don't believe it is just from GAC either. Some Steppe populations had lighter features and also some HGs. It's most likely the combination of populations in certain areas and these traits were selected over time. There is a known selective sweep in Europeans for light skin and some genes piggybacked on to this like blue eyes. So the trait appeared in populations and was positively selected in populations.


Eye, hair, and skin pigmentation are highly variable in humans, particularly in western Eurasian populations. This diversity may be explained by population history, the relaxation of selection pressures, or positive selection. To investigate whether positive natural selection is responsible for depigmentation within Europe, we estimated the strength of selection acting on three genes known to have significant effects on human pigmentation. In a direct approach, these estimates were made using ancient DNA from prehistoric Europeans and computer simulations. This allowed us to determine selection coefficients for a precisely bounded period in the deep past. Our results indicate that strong selection has been operating on pigmentation-related genes within western Eurasia for the past 5,000 y.

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832

There has been quite a few studies showing this.

[Daco Celtic]

Observation of the night: Nothing sparks conversation on TA more than swarthy people from the British Isles. #DudleyMoore

[Imperator Biff]

Those early Baltic corded ware samples (nearly identical to yamnaya autosomally) turned out to have genes for blonde hair, blue eyes etc so it’s not as simple as just admixture from GAC/TRB farmer sluts.
Btw not all of those globular amphora people were that light pigmented, the ones that got btfo from that mass grave in Poland turned out to be pretty woggish.

[Imperator Biff]

Globular Amphora mixed with Scandinavian hunter gatherers. I guess the HGs weren’t all the same either

Not possible seeing as GAC/TRB samples completely lack EHG related ancestry. There was some geneflow between SHG and EEF as observed in those pitted ware genomes. But ultimately their blondism came from elsewhere.
They were just typical neolithic farmers with elevated levels of WHG.

[Columella]

Keely and Colin Murray look almost Eurasian from those pics.

[Rico33]

I agree with this. I always think that someone like Colin Farrell looks obviously Irish. Look at that profile? :)

https://hairstyles.thehairstyler.com/hairstyle_views/right_view_images/1183/original/Colin-Farrell.jpg

http://t.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/boys/1680x1050/ColinFarrell73.jpg

You can see a very young Brad Pitt in the last picture if you observe it well.

[Morena]

Kurts 1984 distinguished three main types among Steppe people when looking at their skulls:

Type 1) - "Dolichocephalic individuals, with broad faces of medium height"
Type 2) - "More robust elements with high and wide faces of the Proto-Europoid type"
Type 3) - "More gracile individuals with narrow and high faces of the East Mediterranean type"

^^^ They were pretty diverse already back before expanding from Eastern Europe to the west.

When you Google-search "Yamnaya reconstructions" you can see many different looks there.

Some examples:

Reconstruction based on a morph of many different reconstructions, "average Steppe man":

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/55/bb/8c55bba70612fee0f34f6e6e62716b13.jpg

^^^
But Steppe people were diverse on individual level, for example differences like between these:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Yamna_culture.jpg

http://i008.radikal.ru/1201/ee/32a937e78cb6.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Yamna_cultdure.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lCJc7aq.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c633318/v633318114/2aec9/rujsiHCWICU.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c633318/v633318114/2aed0/CyAEehQXls0.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c633318/v633318114/2aef5/oKnT_vhySmE.jpg

https://pp.userapi.com/c633318/v633318114/2aedc/VEymmjyE8po.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/12/48/b6124805608b069ec052c6da33833486.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a5/19/8e/a5198ea06fb0f271a9cc54c7e2db2666--ware.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3xSTNGr.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/70/Yamna_Srubnik.jpg/390px-Yamna_Srubnik.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MoxZb8M.jpg

As for Neolithic Farmers, they probably looked the most like modern Sardinians.

And Hunter-Gatherers could look similar to at least some of modern Estonians.

That's interesting. I didn't know there were "Med" looking Steppe invaders. It makes sense though because they were a mish-mash of different groups. I don't agree with the items I put in bold, if only because evolution (sexual selection/adaptation/etc) doesn't stop at a particular point. It could be that they resemble them the most, but it's not like looking into the past.

[TheMaestro]

He looks like an irish Kraftwerk/Evrim.

LOL, not even a bit.

[The Blade]

They go in several directions:
- Conor Murray, Colin Farrell, Andrea Corr, Christine Bleakley and Aidan Turner are Paleo Atlantids
- Keely Shaye-Smith and Colin Murray both have Asiatic eye shape - Smith resembles a Cro-Magnon/Tungid mix and Colin Murray looks like a Mediterranean with Asian admixture
- Eamonn Holmes is an Alpine
- Gillian Norris looks Cypriot (Alpine + Armenoid)

[Zeno]

Ireland didn't need southern influence to have dark features in the population the same way ancient Greeks and Romans didn't need northern influence to have blondes in their population. All this stuff is naturally occurring, albeit in small numbers.

This is relatable to the fact that, as people correlate dark features in Irishmen to be a product of Iberian admixture, so does blondism in Greece happen to be a product of Slavic admixture. Both of these assumptions are wrong.

[Zeno]

Mainly Atlanto-Meds, but Keely-Shaye Smith and Collin Murray seem Asiatic influenced.

[Odin]

Mainly Paleo-Atlantids.

[Grace O'Malley]

According to some people, Irish people are all uniformly pasty even when dark-haired. Hmm...


Keely Shaye-Smith, ex-wife of Pierce Brosnan
https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/12133443/Pierce-and-Keely.jpg



Just noticed this but Pierce is still very much married to Keely Shaye-Smith. They have an amazing marriage and have been married now for 26 years.

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/marriage-anniversary-hollywood-couple-pierce-brosnan-keely-shaye-smith-5b61561735f22__700.jpg

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/marriage-anniversary-hollywood-couple-pierce-brosnan-keely-shaye-smith-5b61772476d99__700.jpg

[Gota_type_]

All of them have an exact clown here in Spain.

[Tooting Carmen]

All of them have an exact clown here in Spain.

Clone you mean?

Anyway, missing photos:

Andrea Corr
https://img.discogs.com/CKa2qDsK1N_GX7p-3hsEBYUg5Kc=/600x741/smart/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/A-507148-1573070938-3991.jpeg.jpg

Aidan Turner
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F631748fa-99b3-11e9-872e-73f33f6fa5f5.png?crop=2347%2C1320%2C48%2C85&resize=1180

[Rgvgjhvv]

None of them pass as Greek

[Albannach]

Colin Murray and Christine Bleakely are protestants from Northern Ireland so they probably have more Scottish or English ancestry than native Irish.

[Tooting Carmen]

None of them pass as Greek

Why not?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Why not?

Foreign features

[Tooting Carmen]

Foreign features

Maybe to non-anthrotards in Greece they'd pass though?

[brennus dux gallorum]

Gillian Norris is a neolithic Irish time traveler :D Seriously she looks very exotic

Most of them are Atlantomed and Atlantid (North Atlantid included)

Christine Bleakley, Aidan Turner and Colin Murray could pass in all Med countries

[Tooting Carmen]

Gillian Norris is a neolithic Irish time traveler :D Seriously she looks very exotic

Most of them are Atlantomed and Atlantid (North Atlantid included)

Christine Bleakley, Aidan Turner and Colin Murray could pass in all Med countries

I agree that Norris is among the most exotic 1% or so of British Isles types. The others aren't so unusual.

[Tooting Carmen]

Colin Farrell again
https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2017_51/1305144/colin-farrell-today-171218-tease_c4a62fb1a8dc29add5554d1ae1ecebe1.jpg

Another one is rugby player Tiernan O'Halloran, who I have posted elsewhere
https://cdn-static.connachtrugby.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/21080256/Tiernan-OHalloran_1.jpg

[Luso]

Now that I see it... Aiden Turner has a very similar eye area to me which is probably the similarity.

[Fraisod]

The so-called "Med" Irish are actual Celts.
Those who do not look "Med" are likely either of Pre-Celtic, Neolythic stock, or else have Nordic ancestry
from the Viking Age & the perfidious British Sassenach.

[Grace O'Malley]

The so-called "Med" Irish are actual Celts.
Those who do not look "Med" are likely either of Pre-Celtic, Neolythic stock, or else have Nordic ancestry
from the Viking Age & the perfidious British Sassenach.

Vast majority of Irish descend from Bronze Age Bell Beakers. The Irish Neolithic did not survive or only in very small pockets. Most Irish get their farmer ancestry from what was brought in with the Bell Beakers and that appears to be GAC (Globular Amphora). Nordic and British are not the reason for the majority of Irish colouring. Irish are a little more blue eyed than Britain for example and also have the highest amount of Skin Type I & II in Europe. This must have came with the Bell Beakers.

It remains to be seen how much Continental Celtic people came into Ireland. If you look at genetics today Irish cluster with British and Northwestern European like the Dutch and Scandinavians. It's still difficult to work out all the influences on different populations. The English obviously had a big input from the Anglo-Saxons especially in the East of the country but the Southeast English still cluster south of the Irish. Anyway there could be a few possibilities for this. Hopefully more studies will come out in 2021 looking at some of this stuff.

Waiting on a study from Reich about the Southeast English.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

There is supposed to be a study coming out soon about the Anglo-Saxons.

Also Lara Cassidy is looking at genomes in Ireland from the late Bronze Age to the late Medieval period. That might be a bit down the track.

Also Davidski said there was lots of genomes of Celts from many countries waiting to be published. He said they were very Northern European like so that is very intriguing.

This was in reply to someone saying that Peter Shvijer claims proto-Celtic originated in Northwestern Italy with the Canegrate culture.


No, they weren't. They were very Northern European, as you shall soon see.

Peter Shvijer often talks out of his ass, so I wouldn't take his theory seriously.

[Wyoming]

The so-called "Med" Irish are actual Celts.
Those who do not look "Med" are likely either of Pre-Celtic, Neolythic stock, or else have Nordic ancestry
from the Viking Age & the perfidious British Sassenach.

"Med" Irish, Scottish and other north-european peoples are actually Neolithic stock, this is known everywhere. Also, the "Nordic" looking is because high EHG input, also SHG and Steppe.

[Grace O'Malley]

"Med" Irish, Scottish and other north-european peoples are actually Neolithic stock, this is known everywhere. Also, the "Nordic" looking is because high EHG input, also SHG and Steppe.

If you know the genetics story this can't be accurate because during the Bronze Age the Neolithic in Britain and Ireland was virtually non-existent. There was a near complete population turnover. The people that came in were Beakers who had mixed with GAC so everyone is descendant from these populations whether you are a ginger or someone of the darker variety.

A good start would be reading the Rathlin study.

https://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368

[Wyoming]

Vast majority of Irish descend from Bronze Age Bell Beakers. The Irish Neolithic did not survive or only in very small pockets. Most Irish get their farmer ancestry from what was brought in with the Bell Beakers and that appears to be GAC (Globular Amphora). Nordic and British are not the reason for the majority of Irish colouring. Irish are a little more blue eyed than Britain for example and also have the highest amount of Skin Type I & II in Europe. This must have came with the Bell Beakers.

It remains to be seen how much Continental Celtic people came into Ireland. If you look at genetics today Irish cluster with British and Northwestern European like the Dutch and Scandinavians. It's still difficult to work out all the influences on different populations. The English obviously had a big input from the Anglo-Saxons especially in the East of the country but the Southeast English still cluster south of the Irish. Anyway there could be a few possibilities for this. Hopefully more studies will come out in 2021 looking at some of this stuff.

Waiting on a study from Reich about the Southeast English.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

There is supposed to be a study coming out soon about the Anglo-Saxons.

Also Lara Cassidy is looking at genomes in Ireland from the late Bronze Age to the late Medieval period. That might be a bit down the track.

Also Davidski said there was lots of genomes of Celts from many countries waiting to be published. He said they were very Northern European like so that is very intriguing.

This was in reply to someone saying that Peter Shvijer claims proto-Celtic originated in Northwestern Italy with the Canegrate culture.

It is obvious. Celts (like ancient britons and gauls) were almost exactly like ancient germanic tribes, the difference is that one trends a bit more to WHG and the other to indo-europeans, but they were low in Neolithic. Greeks and also romans described them to be similar phisically looking barbarians that inhabited after the Danube.

[Grace O'Malley]

It is obvious. Celts (like ancient britons and gauls) were almost exactly like ancient germanic tribes, the difference is that one trends a bit more to WHG and the other to indo-europeans, but they were low in Neolithic. Greeks and also romans described them to be similar phisically looking barbarians that inhabited after the Danube.

It will be interesting when this comes out and I don't doubt Davidski as he has insider knowledge but Hallstatt aren't very Northern although there has only been 2 genomes. Not sure what others think about it?

[Fraisod]

It is obvious. Celts (like ancient britons and gauls) were almost exactly like ancient germanic tribes, the difference is that one trends a bit more to WHG and the other to indo-europeans, but they were low in Neolithic. Greeks and also romans described them to be similar phisically looking barbarians that inhabited after the Danube.
The Romans didn't conquer Ireland, of course, but did conquer Britain when it was still a Celtic culture. Regarding the Britons, Tacitus , in "Agricola", a book named in honor of his father-in-law (Roman governor of Britain), described a diversity among them -- with three phenotypes depending on proximity to other lands: pale brunets with light eyes resembling the people in Gaul, others resembling the Germanic tribes (stereotyped as redheads by Tacitus), and a third group, which even then (the idea of Iberian influence is ancient), Tacitus said were Swarthy like the natives of Hispania.
I was working from memory, so I found the quotation with my added gloss in square brackets:

“The reddish hair and large limbs of the Caledonians [Latin name for Scots] proclaim a German origin, the swarthy faces of the Silures [group of tribes in part of modern Wales], the tendency of their hair to curl, and the fact that Hispania lies opposite, all lead one to believe that Spaniards crossed in ancient times and occupied that part of the country. The people nearest to the Gauls likewise resemble them.”

[Kivan]

Aidan Turner looks identical to this guy Armağan Oğuz:

https://img-s1.onedio.com/id-5aa30d637aa3c8c517079026/rev-0/w-900/h-900/f-jpg/s-7a558a0816f1b7bbb0bbd269ad27baff4b2a4503.jpg

[Gota_type_]

Colin Farrell again
https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2017_51/1305144/colin-farrell-today-171218-tease_c4a62fb1a8dc29add5554d1ae1ecebe1.jpg

Another one is rugby player Tiernan O'Halloran, who I have posted elsewhere
https://cdn-static.connachtrugby.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/21080256/Tiernan-OHalloran_1.jpg

Both pass unnoticed in Spain but the second one looks like many average Spaniards. So common that if his name was Juan Pérez and worked in a Spanish tapas bar, nobody would say a thing. Extremely typical that is almost comic.

[dududud]

It isn't from Iberian admixture though. When did a significant Iberian migration go to Ireland? Most populations have people that have a range of colouring. Colin Farrell for instance has had a dna test and came out something like 98.6% British & Irish. Also Irish cluster all in the same general vicinity. They don't pull towards Iberia for instance. What would you think if one brother was dark and the other lighter? Do you think their genetics would be different? Anyway just trying to explain that if an Irishman is dark he still would be Irish genetically.

Because many are anthrotard who think that having a hair color shade, eyes and skin is because of foreign contribution in the context of an Irish.

Look at your family if you're Irish: none look like an Arab (extremely rare, I have never seen a single Irish look like a "Mediterranean", that is to say a North African or Levantine), but some might not have the same pigmentation, sometimes shades can be seen, to the genes inherited by some members, etc.

Moreover, children do not only inherit from their parents but also grandparents, great, great-great, etc.

I inherited some of the features (eyebrows, nose, face shape, and others) My French maternal great-grandfather, which represents approximately 6% of my DNA ...

If people are unable to understand the complexity of genetics, that not everything is black or white with genetics, so it is useless to argue with them, they are anthrotard (ignorant) and must move on thing.

This topic has no interest (anthrotard, ignorant), but I wanted to point your comment interesting that puts things in order.

[Tooting Carmen]

Colin Farrell and Gillian Norris again:
https://irishamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Farrell-in-the-thriller-Phone-Booth..jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/55/55/f0/5555f0e2a1553435175fc74eda92a8b7--leprechaun-penny.jpg

[Arch Hades]

I classify Christine Bleakley as MILF.

[Richmondbread]

Irish supposedly have some Med influence from invading Spanish Armada.

[MobyD]

Irish supposedly have some Med influence from invading Spanish Armada.

Do you honestly believe that?

[Davystayn]

Colin Farrell and Gillian Norris again:
https://irishamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Farrell-in-the-thriller-Phone-Booth..jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/55/55/f0/5555f0e2a1553435175fc74eda92a8b7--leprechaun-penny.jpg

How many times has Colin Farrell been posted on this forum lol

[HoboJim]

Aidan Turner definitely has an interesting appearance. He's dark enough to be Canarian imo.

[Rædwald]

Most of them are atypical for Ireland, I don't see why people have such an obsession with making Ireland some swarthy nation. I'd say there are far more people who are darker per capita in Germany, but no one ever suggests that. At least never at the frequency that Ireland does.

[Creoda]

Most of them are atypical for Ireland, I don't see why people have such an obsession with making Ireland some swarthy nation. I'd say there are far more people who are darker per capita in Germany, but no one ever suggests that. At least never at the frequency that Ireland does.
It's the same handful of trollish posters that are fixated on posting dark Irish and British celebs for years now. Average looks are what's posted least on this forum.

[HoboJim]

It's the same handful of trollish posters that are fixated on posting dark Irish and British celebs for years now. Average looks are what's posted least on this forum.

I guess what's curious is that Britain&Ireland are cold wet countries with little natural sunlight yet people have been there for thousands of years. You do get a handful of one-off Irish/Brits who really look out of place in northern Europe. You'd find very few others at the same latitude anywhere in Europe that are of similar appearance.

[Tooting Carmen]

Conor Murray again
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Conor_Murray_2023.jpg/1200px-Conor_Murray_2023.jpg

Keely Shaye-Smith again
https://images.hellomagazine.com/horizon/square/822c5e253059-pierce-brosnan-keely-shaye-beach-t.jpg

Colin Murray again
https://binaries.irishnews.com/2023/02/10/172057846-5a8ef50a-4fa6-4c35-be38-976ad882bb46.jpg