would you have children with someone of another race?

[Norbert]

Just wondering...

[Sahson]

absolutely not.

[BeerBaron]

no, and this topic has been done a couple times.

[Stars Down To Earth]

No, obviously not.

I can't imagine a frizzly-haired brown half-breed looking at me and calling me "Dad".

[Tarja]

A roaring and unanimous no from the entire forum, I'd think. :D

[GeistFaust]

Of course not it would make no sense.

[StonyArabia]

No I would not mind having a child with another race, because I am a product of race-mixing. Nor do I see race as an important factor. However since culture is more important to me, a person who have the same culture would likely be the person to carry my children.

[Norbert]

A roaring and unanimous no from the entire forum, I'd think. :D

Sorry I just got a little worried when I started noticing people welcoming mixed-race members with open arms.

[Norbert]

Of course not it would make no sense.

Hey there, I think I've seen you somewhere before :D

I agree, it would not for someone like you and I.

[Tarja]

Sorry I just got a little worried when I started noticing people welcoming mixed-race members with open arms.

The gap between speaking to a mixed race person on the internet and having children with one is very, very large. I wouldn't worry. ;) European preservation is close to many peoples' hearts here, it would certainly be difficult for someone to change my mind about it.

[La Chupacabra]

Maybe if she was half Spanish and I had a lot to drink. :D

[Neanderthal]

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[Logan]

Seems more a question one might pose to a woman. I did not respond to the poll.

[blaidd]

No. The thought of it disgusts me.

[Norbert]

The gap between speaking to a mixed race person on the internet and having children with one is very, very large. I wouldn't worry. ;) European preservation is close to many peoples' hearts here, it would certainly be difficult for someone to change my mind about it.

I guess so, but so far two people voted maybe/unsure, and that number is bound to go up :confused:

[Groenewolf]

I would say the changes of me having children with someone of an other race are zero.



A roaring and unanimous no from the entire forum, I'd think. :D

I am afraid it will not be a sincere no for some if all say no.

[Curtis24]

In honesty - it depends on the girl. I once knew a girl who was quite obviously of Afro-Amerindian descent, and to be true I wouldn't have minded having babies with her :P

[Sikeliot]

I said no.

Mostly because I would never in a million years want children at all. :lol:

[poiuytrewq0987]

Yes why not?

[Dario Argento]

Not really but if she's a little mixed it's ok.

[Norbert]

Three maybes, and one definitely... some preservationist forum.

And those numbers have nowhere to go but up :(

[Blossom]

No. I want my kids to look like me...and my family.

[Damboriena]

No.

[Bridie]

Seems more a question one might pose to a woman. I did not respond to the poll.
Why is that?


EDIT - oh, and for my answer, I would not even consider having children with a man who was not Western European.

[_______]

no, i hope not. although if i fell in love with someone of another race, my views could change. this is the danger of befriending people of other races - what if you fall in love? :( i don't want a kid like heidi klum's with seal :O

[Gregorios]

NO!

[Dario Argento]

no, i hope not. although if i fell in love with someone of another race, my views could change. this is the danger of befriending people of other races - what if you fall in love? :( i don't want a kid like heidi klum's with seal :O

I hope this doesn't sound offensive or anything because that's not what I intend to but you don't seem to be the kind to be around to engage sodomy with the nigger beast.

[hajduk]

Only with beautiful latina like Lorene, not otherwise

[rhiannon]

My feelings are a little bit mixed, but I lean toward no, overall. I could better see myself just dating a person of a different race if I wasn't that serious....but the thought of being serious enough to marry them and have children with them puts me just a little bit out of my comfort zone.

Interracial marriage has already happened in my family because all of my brothers are with partially non-European women, and one is with a nonwhite woman. Granted, I do not judge them for this, and the women are upstanding and great people. But, the fact my family's bloodline is going to be irrevocably changed from here on out (two brothers' have had children, the younger one just got married) makes me a little weirded out. I cannot lie about that.

Prior to the generation of my nephews, my family's bloodline were completely Celto/Germanic.....and I guess I held on to this rather tightly because it is the ONLY homogenous aspect of my ancestry....seeing as I have about eight different nationalities in my background.

I'm tellin' ya.....sort of sucks to be as Americanized as my family have been for so long....LOL!

[Boudica]

No..

[Moonbird]

No, I wouldn't. And since this is a forum for ethnic European preservation I'm surprised that there are people here with a divergent opinion.

[Loki]

No, I wouldn't. And since this is a forum for ethnic European preservation I'm surprised that there are people here with a divergent opinion.

All opinions are allowed on this forum, we don't demand a certain view from anyone. :)

[The Ripper]

All opinions are allowed on this forum, we don't demand a certain view from anyone. :)

Surprising nonetheless.

[antonio]

A very pharisaical question and cathegorical answers. I woud formulate a question about the first cause of having sons (of course inside a family, the only moral way I know) with a person of the opposite sex: would you fall in love with someone of another race? Chances are little because of my environment and my strong bias on favour of European females, but, obviously (Im neither a fool nor a hipocrital politician as unfortunatelly also many extreme-right wingers) facing a decision about choosing between a hideous evilish European bitch and a virtuous outstanding beauty of a different race...that's a no brainer. Moreover, on the case of Emmanuele Chiqri (BTW almost Europid and well-known at non-European beautiness thread) or a chick like her being evilish bitches I would be almost on the vergue of loosening my current criteria on this torny matter. :D

Ps. For not to talk about age considerations. At 20 y.o. you can be the pickiest elitist bastard in the world (in fact it's the way it should be)...but 40+ (or even less) jumping for the sake of your own long-term happiness at the first train it passes is not so crazy.

[Loki]

Surprising nonetheless.

Surprising to have people with different points of view? I think not, it is normal. Except in agreement clubs, which Apricity isn't.

[EliasAlucard]

Sure, if I was stuck on an island with a woman from a different race.

But other than that, generally no, unless she happens to be unbelievably beautiful.

[iNird]

Usually in Albanian culture having kids with someone of another ethnicity is looked down upon, another race is a taboo.

I'd say no to the topic. Not willingly ofc.

PS:

I believe white men and asian women is the 2nd most common interracial marriage in the united states. What are your thoughts on euroasians?

[poiuytrewq0987]

I will only have children with a Serb only but I'd make an exception for Yugoslavs if my Croat, Slovene or Bosniak mate converted to Orthodoxy. The only non-Yugoslav I'd make an exception is a Greek, yes I'd have children with a Greek definitely and I'd probably end up Hellenised in the process. :coffee: :P

[Dark Angel]

I honestly wouldn't mind having children with another race:) what is the big deal about it?

[iNird]

I will only have children with a Serb only but I'd make an exception for Yugoslavs if my Croat, Slovene or Bosniak mate converted to Orthodoxy. The only non-Yugoslav I'd make an exception is a Greek, yes I'd have children with a Greek definitely and I'd probably end up Hellenised in the process. :coffee: :P

What about FYROMiaks?

[poiuytrewq0987]

What about FYROMiaks?

They're Serbian too.

[Black Sun Dimension]

I will not have kids with a black looking woman, this includes mulattoes and indians. To make it simple, I'll just rule out all dark skinned women from this moment on.

Now to answer the original question: in all honestly I would not give a flying fuck if the mother of my children is japanese, middle eastern, european or a light skinned latina.

Do want, minus the hijab:

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[Normal]

I am German-Korean. I am a member of both races or neither as some would say. I belong to the mixed Eurasian race and since there aren't many people like me to chose from I am sort of forced to mate with someone of another race LOL. I am willing to have children with members of both the White and Asian races, but I'd rather my kids were more White than me because that way they will be more likely to have red or blond hair and blue or green eyes.

[Aces High]

Would you have children with someone of another race?


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[someone]

i actually don't care, i just want to find a woman who wants me the same way i want her and wher i have the feeling she'd be a good mother.

[Curtis24]

Honestly, it depends on the woman. I've seen mulatto-looking women who were really beautiful...

[MichiganLady]

Sorry, the line between "preservationist" and "inbreeding" is a little too fine. Nothing compels me to believe that historically, orchestrating breeding in this way has ever benefitted mankind. Name the "purebreds" who are categorically better than not? The world doesn't work that way.

It's okay if you want to marry someone who looks like you, but folks here are telling others what to do. Anyway, I'll marry someone I respect, and I'll respect them for what they do, not who they're related to.

[The Ripper]

Sorry, the line between "preservationist" and "inbreeding" is a little too fine. Nothing compels me to believe that historically, orchestrating breeding in this way has ever benefitted mankind. Name the "purebreds" who are categorically better than not? The world doesn't work that way.

Its not a fine line at all. Procreating with someone from the same ethnic group is not inbreeding, even if the propaganda will tell us just that.

[TheBorrebyViking]

Nope.

[MichiganLady]

Its not a fine line at all. Procreating with someone from the same ethnic group is not inbreeding, even if the propaganda will tell us just that.

You're right. I over-stated in the heat of my emotional response to some of the posts I read. I respect people's rights to marry the same ethnic group, but I doubt that "preservationist" concerns will ever trump other, bigger concerns in the human arena, that's all.

For that first line I stand corrected.

[The Ripper]

I respect people's rights to marry the same ethnic group, but I doubt that "preservationist" concerns will ever trump other, bigger concerns in the human arena, that's all.


Well, it was the norm for thousands of years. Its still the norm, even if exogamy has increased significantly. I think our natural instincts and hard-wired behaviour will eventually trump the brainwashing. ;)

[Padre Organtino]

In general non-caucasoid females don't really attract me. As for intra-caucasoid pairings - I'll try to stick to my own or people realtively close to Georgians ethnically. If I end up falling madly in love with Swedish or Moroccan I may change decision but then I would also commit myself to helping and assisting "pure" couples to compensate for my egoism:cool:

[Aces High]

I doubt that "preservationist" concerns will ever trump other, bigger concerns

Our blood is our most precious possesion........what is a bigger"concern"than that..?

[Peasant]

i i just want to find a woman who wants me the same way i want her and wher i have the feeling she'd be a good mother and is the same race and nationality as me.

fixed

[MichiganLady]

I grew up having a preservationist attitude towards European races--and I understand the threats felt now with rampant immigration, even to the extent of changing the face of violent crime in a given area (not that one race is more violent, but that a nation like Sweden, for example, seems to end up with those not wanted anywhere else). I sympathize with the threat that must feel like.

But on the other hand I'm an American, and some of my ancestors were certainly immigrants of the lower classes when back in Europe. They didn't destroy my culture; I was raised with the American credo that such people enhanced it. The "you can be anything" story. And to a certain extent I still believe it.

I just grew up and saw that in the world, it is what it is. It's well and good thinking a culture is worth preserving, but in practical applications, the notion of genetically preserving it by dictating to people becomes abhorrent to me.

Free people aren't cultural artifacts; they're humans. I'll fight to preserve the story of any culture; I believe it's hugely important, and too many people are ignorant of it. But I won't believe that any given bloodline makes any given person "better" than any other, so there becomes no point in controlling it.

[MichiganLady]

Our blood is our most precious possesion........what is a bigger"concern"than that..?

What the hell "is" blood? What good is it doing anyone except as an abstract concept?

Cultures have always grown and changed, so have bloodlines.

[zack]

Well,i know i wont be having kids with no Negro and I'm not generally attracted to East Asians(not that many around in the south anyway). That only leaves Native Americans and White women,of that group Mexicans are out because the culture gap is too large and every person i now is racist against Mexicans(even my Native american aunt and her 1/4th native children). Which leaves practically only white women since native american women on the reservation and off generally are ugly as dog shit and too few in numbers for a dating pool in the first place.

White women it is. ;)

[Aces High]

I won't believe that any given bloodline makes any given person "better" than any other

Then tell me why when the white man was walking on the moon were blacks still drinking piss out of a cows arse....?

UE05lEEOcSA



You are blind.

[Sylvanus]

Yes, I would have children with another race, f.E. a Baltid, of course. :D

[Aces High]

What the hell "is" blood?.

That red substance that runs through your veins.....jesus you Americans are as thick as shit.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Nope, I would never want to mix with an inferior race. I spit on the ones who do. All it does is pollute the European gene pool.

[The Alchemist]

Only with a japanese multimillionaire :D:D

[Peyrol]

Just wondering...

Let me think about it...no!

At least with some other caucasoid (persian iranian, etc). But not certaily with a black or filipino.

[The Alchemist]

For my tastes, levantines are way less attractive than asians, blacks and whoever you want :rolleyes2: They've got such a "dead" and horrible skin color, and they're very hairy, too. Just my opinion ;)

[heathen_son]

Most people I meet would say they don't care what race they have a baby with.

I literally could not do it. I don't know whether I've messed my brain up with too much marginalised radical thinking, or whether I am just naturally attracted to blue eyed, fair haired women? :ohwell:

[Peyrol]

How can a intelligent person having children who don't looks like her? :confused:

[The Alchemist]

Most people I meet would say they don't care what race they have a baby with.

I literally could not do it. I don't know whether I've messed my brain up with too much marginalised radical thinking, or whether I am just naturally attracted to blue eyed, fair haired women? :ohwell:
That's why Europe is so coloured, i guess :cool:

[someone]

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natürlich wär's so am besten... aber ob man zufällig jemanden aus den eigenen reihen kennenlernen wird...

[Hess]

Well, there are only 3 races- Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid.

Not to be picky, but the way you phrased the question means that a Swede an Arab having a child would technically be considered within their own race.

[Enya]

I'd only have children with a Germanic man, preferably Afrikaner. :thumbs up

[Ar-Man]

Well, there are only 3 races- Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid.



And what happened with the Australoid & the Capoid races? :confused:

[Hess]

And what happened with the Australoid & the Capoid races? :confused:

my bad, forgot about those. My point still stands :p

[Mercury]

No, I don't think so at this point in time. But I have a rather liberal view on whiteness, and may accept certain Persians, Lebs, Anatolians, etc.. as white.

[Contra Mundum]

I would have to say no. I think same race relationships are just so much healthier with a lot less drama. Your children should resemble you, not someone of other race.

[zack]

Most people I meet would say they don't care what race they have a baby with.

I don't believe this,things may happen and people may fall in love but most people want a kid that looks like them to a certain extent.

The reality is that even among the most liberal parts of the world(The West) interracial marriage and interracial children are no where near a demographic threat of any kind,in ten years the multiracial population of the united states grew by only 2.4 million. In contrast the non-hispanic white population grew by 2.6 million out pacing the multiracial 'boom'.

Maybe these people you are meeting are just being politically correct? Granted most guys i know wold say they would screw another race but they would never have children or marry one.

[StonyArabia]

And what happened with the Australoid & the Capoid races? :confused:

The Capoid race does not exist, genetically they are just SSA people. Australoids are very few in order to be counted.

[Ar-Man]

The Capoid race does not exist, genetically they are just SSA people. Australoids are very few in order to be counted.

What? :eek: And what you do with Khoisan ethnic group ?

And Australoid are not few most of the South east Asians have that component.

[Siegfried]

Would I? The only non-Europeans I would ever mix with are Armenians, Iranians, (light) Arabs and Turks (that is provided the three above mentioned are not Muslim). Other than that, no, never, unless another race was the only one left on the Earth.

[heathen_son]

I don't believe this,things may happen and people may fall in love but most people want a kid that looks like them to a certain extent.

So many people I meet disagree. Whether they are all lying to me or not, I don't know. It seems implausable to put it all down to political correctness though. They genuinely seem sincere. Mind you, I predominantly mix with the middle class. Fake sincerity is a prevailant social tool.


Maybe these people you are meeting are just being politically correct?

It's possible. Still, the last girl I was with I ditched because of such an opinion. Either she meant what she said, or I wasn't that good :D

[zack]

So many people I meet disagree. Whether they are all lying to me or not, I don't know. It seems implausable to put it all down to political correctness though. They genuinely seem sincere. Mind you, I predominantly mix with the middle class. Fake sincerity is a prevailant social tool.

There's your problem right there! :D



It's possible. Still, the last girl I was with I ditched because of such an opinion. Either she meant what she said, or I wasn't that good :D

:thumb001:

[Nairi]

If it is not Armenian then it can only be white Christian from anywhere in the world with European ancestry. Skin colour can be as white as mine or dark, don't really mind either way.

But in general the best is to stick to your own I guess.

[rhiannon]

Sorry, the line between "preservationist" and "inbreeding" is a little too fine. Nothing compels me to believe that historically, orchestrating breeding in this way has ever benefitted mankind. Name the "purebreds" who are categorically better than not? The world doesn't work that way.

It's okay if you want to marry someone who looks like you, but folks here are telling others what to do. Anyway, I'll marry someone I respect, and I'll respect them for what they do, not who they're related to.

Agree with her:) Inbreeding is a risk if no one ever brings novel genes into the gene pool.

[The Lawspeaker]

Agree with her:) Inbreeding is a risk if no one ever brings novel genes into the gene pool.
I don't think we would have that problem for the time being. There is always another village just across the border.

[zack]

Agree with her:) Inbreeding is a risk if no one ever brings novel genes into the gene pool.

I've said it before and i'll say it again,staying within a racial or ethnic group for marriage and procreation is not inbreeding nor can it ever be compared to it.

[rhiannon]

I've said it before and i'll say it again,staying within a racial or ethnic group for marriage and procreation is not inbreeding nor can it ever be compared to it.

I never said it was. I said it could lead to inbreeding for the reason I gave. :cool:

[The Lawspeaker]

I never said it was. I said it could lead to inbreeding for the reason I gave. :cool:
If the entire white race was no more numerous then the population of a small village and already related to each other then but only then would there be a substantial risk of inbreeding.

[Joe McCarthy]

Of course not, and I'd very much like to see anti-miscegenation reincorporated into the legal code. Those not wise enough to avoid the practice must have the law to compel them. Law's purpose is to teach, and prevent what the responsible would avoid regardless.

[TheBorrebyViking]

People always say mixed kids lose all their cultural fit ins, it's not true. Here in America a half-Mexican/Half-European will fit in with Mexicans, same with a Half-African/Half-European fitting in with blacks. Blacks and Mexicans like to have dick contests with who is less white, but they will stick together when SHTF and that dick contest will be behind them. Like when you insult a group of chimps out here they'll put aside their differences and come and attack you in a group. Thankfully Mexicans are a bit more civilized and don't attack like blacks do for no reason(they do it sometimes, but much less than blacks). When it comes down to it a "nigga" will still be a "nigga", no matter how much white he has, as long as he's got the black in him, to them.

[Contra Mundum]

Sorry, the line between "preservationist" and "inbreeding" is a little too fine. Nothing compels me to believe that historically, orchestrating breeding in this way has ever benefitted mankind. Name the "purebreds" who are categorically better than not? The world doesn't work that way.

It's okay if you want to marry someone who looks like you, but folks here are telling others what to do. Anyway, I'll marry someone I respect, and I'll respect them for what they do, not who they're related to.

Having children with someone from your race isn't inbreeding. Societies that are the most homogeneous tend to be the most advanced. Mixing with other races ruins nations.

[TheBorrebyViking]

Having children with someone from your race isn't inbreeding. Societies that are the most homogeneous tend to be the most advanced. Mixing with other races ruins nations.

Sometimes it works however breeding with different European groups. Celto-Germanics have done very great for this world(although we were closely related).

[LightInDarkness]

Fuck No

[Contra Mundum]

I never said it was. I said it could lead to inbreeding for the reason I gave. :cool:

What is your idea of inbreeding? Cousins mating? Historically, that was actually the norm. Today, it is most common in parts of Asia, Africa and the Muslim world.

Two unrelated Caucasians marrying and having children isn't inbreeding and odds are they will have healthier, smarter and more attractive children if either of them had married a black African.

Brazil is full of mixed race people. Has it made them a more advanced society than a homogeneous country like Japan?

[Drawing-slim]

Nope

[rhiannon]

What is your idea of inbreeding? Cousins mating? Historically, that was actually the norm. Today, it is most common in parts of Asia, Africa and the Muslim world.

Two unrelated Caucasians marrying and having children isn't inbreeding and odds are they will have healthier, smarter and more attractive children if either of them had married a black African.

Brazil is full of mixed race people. Has it made them a more advanced society than a homogeneous country like Japan?

Here's the thing....the fact of the matter is that we're not gonna need to really worry about it unless laws are enacted which dictate who is allowed to marry and procreate with who. Most people stick within their own race, even myself with my leftist orientation still sticks within my own:D Just not for the reasons you might think.

I creeps me out to think of cousins inbreeding, lol

[TheBorrebyViking]

Here's the thing....the fact of the matter is that we're not gonna need to really worry about it unless laws are enacted which dictate who is allowed to marry and procreate with who. Most people stick within their own race, even myself with my leftist orientation still sticks within my own:D Just not for the reasons you might think.

I creeps me out to think of cousins inbreeding, lol

We should enact laws though, specially to keep the non-Europeans by blood out of Europe.

[Contra Mundum]

Here's the thing....the fact of the matter is that we're not gonna need to really worry about it unless laws are enacted which dictate who is allowed to marry and procreate with who. Most people stick within their own race, even myself with my leftist orientation still sticks within my own:D Just not for the reasons you might think.

I creeps me out to think of cousins inbreeding, lol

What are the reasons I might think? Believe me, I don't think you do it out of preservation.

Not so sure cousins marrying is considered inbreeding. It was common with European royalty, Jews and wealthy families in the Northeastern United States.
FDR married his cousin.

In ancient Egypt, siblings would marry. That is inbreeding.

[Contra Mundum]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/04/us/few-risks-seen-to-the-children-of-1st-cousins.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Few Risks Seen To the Children Of 1st Cousins
By DENISE GRADY

Contrary to widely held beliefs and longstanding taboos in America, first cousins can have children together without a great risk of birth defects or genetic disease, scientists are reporting today. They say there is no biological reason to discourage cousins from marrying.

First cousins are somewhat more likely than unrelated parents to have a child with a serious birth defect, mental retardation or genetic disease, but their increased risk is nowhere near as large as most people think, the scientists said.

In the general population, the risk that a child will be born with a serious problem like spina bifida or cystic fibrosis is 3 percent to 4 percent; to that background risk, first cousins must add another 1.7 to 2.8 percentage points, the report said.

Although the increase represents a near doubling of the risk, the result is still not considered large enough to discourage cousins from having children, said Dr. Arno Motulsky, a professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington, and the senior author of the report.





''In terms of general risks in life it's not very high,'' Dr. Motulsky said. Even at its worst, 7 percent, he said, ''93 percent of the time, nothing is going to happen.''

The report is in today's issue of The Journal of Genetic Counseling.

''As genetic advisers,'' Dr. Motulsky said, ''we give people all the various possibilities and risks and leave it up to them to make a decision. Some might decide a doubling of the risk is not something they want to face.''

He and his colleagues said no one questioned the right of people with genetic disorders to have children, even though some have far higher levels of risk than first cousins. For example, people with Huntington's disease, a severe neurological disorder that comes on in adulthood, have a 50 percent chance of passing the disease to their children.

The researchers, a panel convened by the National Society of Genetic Counselors, based their conclusions on a review of six major studies conducted from 1965 to August 2000, involving many thousands of births.

Dr. Motulsky said medical geneticists had known for a long time that there was little or no harm in cousins marrying and having children. ''Somehow, this hasn't become general knowledge,'' even among doctors, he said.

Twenty-four states have laws forbidding first cousins from marrying, and seven states have limits like requiring genetic counseling. But no countries in Europe have such prohibitions, and in parts of the Middle East, Africa and Asia, marriages between cousins are considered preferable.

''In some parts of the world,'' the report says, ''20 to 60 percent of all marriages are between close biological relatives.''

Dr. Motulsky said many immigrants from cultures where cousin marriages are common expect to continue the tradition in the United States, and doctors and genetic counselors should respect their wishes.

Laws against cousin marriage should be abolished, he said. Even though longstanding ones reflect a view that such marriages are ''really bad,'' he said, ''the data show it isn't that bad.''

Dr. Motulsky said researchers did not know why marriage between cousins was viewed with such distaste in the United States. He said some of the revulsion might have stemmed from the eugenics movement, which intended to improve the human race by deciding who should be allowed to breed. The movement flourished in this country early in the 20th century.

It is not known how many cousins marry or live together. Estimates of marriages between related people, which include first cousins and more distant ones, range from less than 0.1 percent of the general population to 1.5 percent. In the past, small studies have found much higher rates in some areas. A survey in 1942 found 18.7 percent in a small town in Kentucky and a 1980 study found 33 percent in a Mennonite community in Kansas.

The report made a point of saying that the term ''incest'' should not be applied to cousins but only to sexual relations between siblings or between parents and children. Babies who result from those unions are thought to be at significantly higher risk of genetic problems, the report said, but there is not enough data to be sure.

The new report says that genetic counselors should advise cousins who want to have children together in much the same way they advise everybody else and that no extra genetic tests are required before conception.

The guidelines urge counselors to take a thorough family history and, as they do for all clients, look for any diseases that might run in the family or in the clients' ethnic groups and order tests accordingly. During pregnancy, the woman should have the standard blood tests used to screen for certain neurological problems and other disorders and an ultrasound examination.

Their children should be tested as newborns for deafness and certain rare metabolic diseases -- tests already given to all newborns in some parts of the country. These are among the conditions that may be slightly more likely to occur in children whose parents are cousins. Some of the metabolic problems are treatable, and children with hearing losses do better if they get help early in life.

Dr. Motulsky said that the panel of experts began working on the cousin question about two years ago after a survey of counselors found a lot of variability -- and misinformation -- in the advice given to people who wanted to know whether cousins could safely have children together.

The president-elect of the National Society of Genetic Counselors, Robin L. Bennett, who is a co-author of the report and a genetic counselor at the University of Washington, said: ''Just this week I saw a 23-year-old woman whose parents were cousins, and she was told to have a tubal ligation, which she did at the age 21, because of the risk to her children. And there's no risk to her children. People are getting this information from small-town doctors who may not know the risk, don't have access to this information and just assume it's a big risk.''

The young woman hopes to have the operation reversed, Ms. Bennett said.

The article in the geneticists' journal includes a personal account from a woman who said she had lived with her cousin for six years, ''and we are madly in love.'' When she became pregnant, she said, her gynecologist warned that the child would be sickly and urged her to have an abortion. A relative predicted that the baby would be retarded. She had the abortion, she said, and called it ''the worst mistake of my life.''

When she learned later that the increased risk of birth defects was actually quite small, she said, ''I cried and cried. ''

The small increase in risk is thought to occur because related people may be carrying some of the same disease-causing genes, inherited from common ancestors. The problems arise from recessive genes, which have no effect on people who carry single copies, but can cause disease in a person who inherits two copies of the gene, one from each parent. When two carriers of a recessive gene have a child, the child has a one-in-four chance of inheriting two copies of that gene. When that happens, disease can result. Cystic fibrosis and the fatal Tay-Sachs disease, for example, are caused by recessive genes. Unrelated people share fewer genes and so their risk of illness caused by recessive genes is a bit lower.

Keith T., 30, said he married his cousin seven years ago and in 1998, frustrated by the lack of information for cousins who wanted to marry, he started a Web site, cousincouples.com. It is full of postings from people who say they have married their cousins or want to do so.

The site highlights famous people who married their first cousins, including Charles Darwin, who, with Emma Wedgwood, had 10 children, all healthy, some brilliant. Mr. T. asked that his full name not be used because he said he did business in a small town and feared that he would lose customers if they found out his wife was also his cousin.

''If someone told me when I was young that I'd marry my cousin I would have said they were crazy,'' he said. ''I thought the idea of marrying your cousin was kind of icky.''

Mr. T. said he was relieved to learn years ago that cousins' risks of birth defects, while higher than those of unrelated people, were still relatively low, and that he and his wife hoped to have children.

[zack]

People always say mixed kids lose all their cultural fit ins, it's not true. Here in America a half-Mexican/Half-European will fit in with Mexicans, same with a Half-African/Half-European fitting in with blacks. Blacks and Mexicans like to have dick contests with who is less white, but they will stick together when SHTF and that dick contest will be behind them. Like when you insult a group of chimps out here they'll put aside their differences and come and attack you in a group. Thankfully Mexicans are a bit more civilized and don't attack like blacks do for no reason(they do it sometimes, but much less than blacks). When it comes down to it a "nigga" will still be a "nigga", no matter how much white he has, as long as he's got the black in him, to them.

Tell that to the Niggas in LA that are being ethnically cleansed street by street.

[TheBorrebyViking]

Tell that to the Niggas in LA that are being ethnically cleansed street by street.

By the Mexicans? I meant they have them between themselves they have those dick contests, not Mexicans and Blacks having it with eachother. A half black and a quarter black will have dick contests, but once some "PUSSY ASS CRACKA HONKEY RAYSIS ASS DEVIAL!" fucks with them, they band together.

[AussieScott]

:mmmm: :stop00010:

NO.

[rhiannon]

We should enact laws though, specially to keep the non-Europeans by blood out of Europe.

Sorry, I disagree with these sorts of laws. It is unrealistic to think people are going to abide by them anyway, because most people are going to follow their hearts. Nevertheless, most are going to pair with partners who share similar culture, ancestry, and values:)

I think there is nothing to fear at this point in time.

[The Lawspeaker]

I think that such laws are rubbish: it's big government prying into ones family life and I am completely against that. ("the government ends where the front door begins") Take away the immigrants and you will have solved 90 percent of all cases. For the remaining ten percent: I suppose the white race is more then strong enough to cope.

Then you don't need a police state, ridiculous laws and normal life can resume. Most people will marry their own anyway so..

[rhiannon]

What are the reasons I might think? Believe me, I don't think you do it out of preservation.
Actually, you are mistaken. I wanted to continue to keep my family bloodline fairly close to Celto-Germanic as a rule, and knew that I had little to worry about in the first place because I'm not generally attracted to men with exotic ancestries. My family are already mixed enough as far as there being on the order of eight nations in my family tree.....but the good thing about these nations is that they're all in close proximity with one another....so there actually is a certain level of homogeneity....just not like you find with people like Civis who is 100% Dutch or Hevneren, who is 100% Norwegian. I had to settle for being 100% Celto-Germanic:D


Not so sure cousins marrying is considered inbreeding. It was common with European royalty, Jews and wealthy families in the Northeastern United States.I disagree. Consider diseases that are carried recessively such as cystic fibrosis, for example.



In ancient Egypt, siblings would marry. That is inbreeding.Yuk:eek:

[The Alchemist]

Nature made us perfect, cause it's proved that all human beings are naturally (and sexually) attracted by their similars, to hand down our own genes to our childrens. I read of many studies about it. So, don't worry about it, most people still want a partner who looks similar to him.

[TheBorrebyViking]

Sorry, I disagree with these sorts of laws. It is unrealistic to think people are going to abide by them anyway, because most people are going to follow their hearts. Nevertheless, most are going to pair with partners who share similar culture, ancestry, and values:)

I think there is nothing to fear at this point in time.
If we make it so we don't have non-Europeans by blood in Europe, than no one can marry them :)

I think that such laws are rubbish: it's big government prying into ones family life and I am completely against that. ("the government ends where the front door begins") Take away the immigrants and you will have solved 90 percent of all cases. For the remaining ten percent: I suppose the white race is more then strong enough to cope.

Then you don't need a police state, ridiculous laws and normal life can resume. Most people will marry their own anyway so..
:thumb001:

[Aces High]

Of course....anything will do.

Order her today...;)....www.realdoll.com

Because thats the only way you are ever gonna get laid......unless Burke and Hare are still in business.

[Siberyak]

Order her today...;)....www.realdoll.com

Because thats the only way you are ever gonna get laid......unless Burke and Hare are still in business.

How can he find someone outside of his parents basement ?

[rhiannon]

If we make it so we don't have non-Europeans by blood in Europe, than no one can marry them :)

:thumb001:

That, dear sir, is a wholly separate issue, lol

[Beorn]

Agree with her:) Inbreeding is a risk if no one ever brings novel genes into the gene pool.

You were backing Lewontin's fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Human_genetic_diversity:_Lewontin%27s_fallacy%2 2_%28scientific_paper%29) the other day.
Now you back the risk of inbreeding? :coffee:

[rhiannon]

You were backing Lewontin's fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Human_genetic_diversity:_Lewontin%27s_fallacy%2 2_%28scientific_paper%29) the other day.
Now you back the risk of inbreeding? :coffee:

Said it was a risk. That is all.

Have no idea what this fallacy you're referring to is...so forgive me for I will have to look that one up:) I will check out your link, in fact...

[Hevneren]

I think that to find someone attractive, to fall in love or to date someone is one thing, but to be together long term and to have children and share the responsibilities of family life, is a different story. It takes trust, love and compatibility, and if the differences are too great in a personal and cultural sense, it might not work.

I can't say that I would outright reject love if it involved a non-European woman, as long as we were personally and culturally compatible, and as long as I felt that if we were to have children they'd learn to take pride in their Norwegian heritage.

I'm proud of my heritage, and so I think it would be a concern for me that my children would inherit that identity and pride as well.

[rhiannon]

I think that to find someone attractive, to fall in love or to date someone is one thing, but to be together long term and to have children and share the responsibilities of family life, is a different story. It takes trust, love and compatibility, and if the differences are too great in a personal and cultural sense, it might not work.

I can't say that I would outright reject love if it involved a non-European woman, as long as we were personally and culturally compatible, and as long as I felt that if we were to have children they'd learn to take pride in their Norwegian heritage.

I'm proud of my heritage, and so I think it would be a concern for me that my children would inherit that identity and pride as well.

Outstanding reply. I completely understand and relate:)

[Hevneren]

Outstanding reply. I completely understand and relate:)

I'd like to add that I'd encourage my children to take pride in the heritage and identity of both of their parents. If a woman gives birth to my children, I'd want her to share her culture and identity with our children as well. I think anything else would be an insult to the mother of my child(ren).

[Aces High]

If a woman gives birth to my children,

Whooooooooooooooooooooooooa....slow down there black beauty,first you have to find one and before that you'll have to get your rages under control and get let out of the nuthouse.
Keep hard at the occupational therapy and you never know....it might one day happen.:thumbs up

[Hevneren]

Whooooooooooooooooooooooooa....slow down there black beauty,first you have to find one and before that you'll have to get your rages under control and get let out of the nuthouse.
Keep hard at the occupational therapy and you never know....it might one day happen.:thumbs up

Have you ever considered a career as a hot air balloon? You're certainly full of hot air and basically nothing else.

Let me know once you reach status as a member of the civilised world. Your uncultured Third World African origins shine through. :shrug:

[Aces High]

Have you ever considered a career as a hot air balloon? You're certainly full of hot air and basically nothing else.


Thats good,you managed a post without swearing and screaching at the screen.
Maybe in a few months you'll be let out on day release.....fingers crossed.;)

[rhiannon]

I'd like to add that I'd encourage my children to take pride in the heritage and identity of both of their parents. If a woman gives birth to my children, I'd want her to share her culture and identity with our children as well. I think anything else would be an insult to the mother of my child(ren).

Once again....:thumb001::thumb001::thumb001:

[Hevneren]

Thats good,you managed a post without swearing and screaching at the screen.
Maybe in a few months you'll be let out on day release.....fingers crossed.;)

I'm loving your hypocrisy, but what else can one expect from a uncultured Third Worlder from a non-country? Without the opportunity to disseminate your meaningless blather online, like a bleating sheep, you wouldn't have a life.

Of course, you being an African married to an Italian, I can't help but wonder that your quest to preserve your "English" heritage has lead to an identity crisis. Hence your imbecilic babble on forums such as these. :shrug:

[Aces High]

I can't help but wonder

The story of your life.......as i said it may one day happen.

Now chillax Lars.....eat some sugar and go find some neutral space in a corner somewhere and have some "me time" with yourself.
Dont get angy...........nurse ratchet will be along soon.;)

[Hevneren]

The story of your life.......as i said it may one day happen.

Now chillax Lars.....eat some sugar and go find some neutral space in a corner somewhere and have some "me time" with yourself.
Dont get angy...........nurse ratchet will be along soon.;)

What a sad little man you are. It must be frustrating to you to want to be English, when you know deep down that you really aren't. You're like the boy who wants to be just like daddy, but then finds out it's not your daddy at all.

You need to learn to embrace your African roots, rather than to pretend to be something you're not. Then the shame can go away.

[Eva]

I've heard an opinion that the Armenian blood is too old and some young fresh blood would do good. But I'd say the older the better. Sometimes I feel like I'm some 5000 years old and I feel the antiquity with every bit of my genes and enjoy being Armenian with all of my nature, and I'd like my children to feel that happiness as well.
I'm against race-mixing (it's out of question) and it's also preferable to marry a person of your own ethnicity.

[Aces High]

You're like the boy who wants to be just like daddy, but then finds out it's not your daddy at all..

?

Dredging up details from your persoanl life isnt something id do if i were you......;)

[Hurrem sultana]

I am against mixing,marry inside your own nationality,but if it happens that i fall in love i would not doubt...i would want to have children with person i decide to live with

[Heart of Oak]

I do not think I would however love has no opinion as to race,creed ect.

[Hevneren]

?

Dredging up details from your persoanl life isnt something id do if i were you......;)

Your unwitty comments are getting tedious. Don't you have some African drum lesson to go to?

[The Lawspeaker]

Alright you two: cut it out ! Or at least both fuck off to the jungle.

[Hevneren]

Alright you two: cut it out ! Or at least both fuck off to the jungle.

There no jungles in Norway, but plenty in Africa.

[Peyrol]

Anyway, in Italy most common inter-ethnic marriage is italian-romanian.
"Racemixing" as in the american concept is very low.

[Aces High]

Anyway, in Italy most common inter-ethnic marriage is italian-romanian.
"Racemixing" as in the american concept is very low.

Claidia Koll is half Rumanian half Italian....i always thought she was from Trentino.

[The Lawspeaker]

There no jungles in Norway, but plenty in Africa.

I once heard that some of your neighbors call you people fjord-niggers or fjällapa (for the others: mountain monkeys). With such lovely nicknames I am quite sure both of you (yes.. you and the Inselaffe --- island monkey) would fit right in when it comes to Africa. :heh:

It would give us some peace and quiet. :thumb001:

[Peyrol]

Claidia Koll is half Rumanian half Italian....i always thought she was from Trentino.

I don't know why, but IMHO her facial features are undoubtley of a romanian.

http://images.virgilio.it/sg/cinema-tv2009/upload/cla/claudia-koll7.jpg

http://www.qnm.it/bellezze/attrici_italiane/claudia_koll/immagini_profilo/claudia_koll_grande.jpg

[Hevneren]

I once heard that some of your neighbors call you people fjord-niggers or fjällapa (for the others: mountain monkeys). With such lovely nicknames I am quite sure both of you (yes.. you and the Inselaffe --- island monkey) would fit right in when it comes to Africa. :heh:

Danes call us "fjeldaber" ("mountain monkeys"), since their landscape is about as flat and boring as that of the Netherlands. ;)

By the way, I've never heard us being called "fjord niggers", but the Danes also call us "blåøjde arabere" ("blue eyed Arabs") due to our petroleum industry.

[The Lawspeaker]

Danes call us "fjeldaber" ("mountain monkeys"), since their landscape is about as flat and boring as that of the Netherlands. ;)

By the way, I've never heard us being called "fjord niggers", but the Danes also call us "blåøjde arabere" ("blue eyed Arabs") due to our petroleum industry.
Fjord nigger (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fjord%20nigger) must be American then and aimed at Scandi's in general. I like this one: blåøjde arabere. It's not offensive but funny and correct. Did you hear about the plans to build a mountain in this country ? I am not kidding you ( I wish I was though).

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[Heart of Oak]

Not at the moment as I am having lunch but thanks for the offer.

[Padre Organtino]

I don't know why, but IMHO her facial features are undoubtley of a romanian.

http://images.virgilio.it/sg/cinema-tv2009/upload/cla/claudia-koll7.jpg

http://www.qnm.it/bellezze/attrici_italiane/claudia_koll/immagini_profilo/claudia_koll_grande.jpg

I'd say no. She looks more Italian to me.

[Argyll]

I'll never have kids, but if I did, I'd try my damndest to make sure they were of my same ethnic group.

Though I doubt it would be as hard as I made it sound to be in my same ethnic group.

[Peyrol]

I'd say no. She looks more Italian to me.

She's a perfect mix.

Compare with a pure romanian like Ramona Badescu

http://www.xtremewalls.com/hollywoodf/Ramona_Badescu/ramona-badescu-015-01.jpg

[Heart of Oak]

She looks a little Spainish to me black hair green eyes strong jaw line ect.

[Heart of Oak]

Sorry brown eyes I was thinking of my wife?

[Mordid]

^No, she look too Eastern.

[Peyrol]

She looks a little Spainish to me black hair green eyes strong jaw line ect.

This is the typical romanian looks (referring to the 1,200,000 romanians in Italy).

[someone]

i can't just stick to my "race" if i know ladies like this one are around the world....
http://seifandbeirut.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/20081023-a16.jpg

[StonyArabia]

i can't just stick to my "race" if i know ladies like this one are around the world....
http://seifandbeirut.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/20081023-a16.jpg

Or this one:p

http://s7.postimage.org/fsihr5i7f/Sahar_Bishara_full.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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or this one :p

http://s16.postimage.org/3t8vcjd4l/15pqsz4.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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[Lithium]

I would not. I want to have pure Bulgarian children or at least from some other Slavic country.

[rajputprincess]

I won't mind honestly.

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[Harley]

Yes because metal don’t discriminate.

unless you’re stupid. don’t msg me bby

[Alexandro]

Hmm, well. I have some friends that are the result of mixed marriages and they do have some identity issues regarding this, like one is Chinese/French and culturally she identifies with France because she grew up there but solely based on her appearance no one would ever consider her to be French, and conversely when she goes to China they consider her to be too white, haha so its a bit rough. Also, just look at some of the Latin American members on this forum.

I'm not against race mixing in principle, love transcends everything after all, but there are undoubtedly some benefits to coming from a monoethnic background (detriments too, no culture or people are perfect).

[Luso]

Love transcends socially-constructed race for me.

[Linebacker]

We are a homogenous country for the most part and the only other race here is gypsies, which are very undesirable by most.

I am no weaboo but I do have a certain attraction for some asian women, Japanese and Korean most prominantly, Chinese are usually ugly.

[calxpal]

I would :):cool:, but I guess it depends a bit on what the other race is.

[Hamilcar]

Hmm, well. I have some friends that are the result of mixed marriages and they do have some identity issues regarding this, like one is Chinese/French and culturally she identifies with France because she grew up there but solely based on her appearance no one would ever consider her to be French, and conversely when she goes to China they consider her to be too white, haha so its a bit rough. Also, just look at some of the Latin American members on this forum.

I'm not against race mixing in principle, love transcends everything after all, but there are undoubtedly some benefits to coming from a monoethnic background (detriments too, no culture or people are perfect).

I think it all depends on the level of difference between the two populations : a mix syrian-moroccan won't be a problem imo if the guy lives in an arab country while a mix syrian-congolese would be a disaster

[Jana]

No.

[Tutankhamun]

Not being a black woman, there is no problem for me.

[LittleDarkAge]

No.

[Batavia]

She should suit me (Nordid-Baltid would be perfect...) the ethnic background is secondary, but a dutch would be favored.
So - hard to find the right women for me ;)

[HelloGuys]

Idk if I have given my opinion but yeah, I would

If I like her and I consider her pretty, good personality then without problems I'd have children no matter her ethnicity

[CDeBris]

No, obviously not.

I can't imagine a frizzly-haired brown half-breed looking at me and calling me "Dad".

He'd be bullied by the other kids for having a Dad.