Classify some dark-haired Dutch MPs, and where can they pass?

[Tooting Carmen]

Do they still look distinctly Germanic, or do some of them look genuinely more Southern? All of these are (to my knowledge) fully ethnic Dutch.

Lodewijk Asscher
https://www.parlement.com/9353000/1/j4nvh0qavhjkdqd_j9vvknrezmh4csi/vku3mpydobym?sizew=933&sizeh=1200&crop=720:576:1696:2182&lm=pjd82c

Annelien Bredenoord
https://annelienbredenoord.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cropped-parool-koek-1.png

Ruard Ganzevoort
https://research.vu.nl/files-asset/9044198/RuardGanzevoortCU.jpg

Henk van Gerven
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Henk_van_Gerven_2006.jpg

Sophie Hermans
https://www.debatmagazine.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/sophiehermans.jpg

J.C. Huizinga-Heringa
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Huizinga_Dutch_politician_kabinet_Balkenende_IV.jp g/250px-Huizinga_Dutch_politician_kabinet_Balkenende_IV.jp g

Rik Janssen
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/RikJanssen2010.jpg

Rob Jetten
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Rob_Jetten.jpg

Leon de Jong
https://alchetron.com/cdn/lon-de-jong-6a8593d9-6035-4c7d-a9ae-1feb50ca70a-resize-750.jpg

Saskia Kluit
https://www.parlement.com/9353000/1/j4nvh0qavhjkdqd_j9vvknrezmh4csi/vkzbib0pndys?sizew=933&sizeh=1200&crop=2304:436:2896:3724&lm=pszmk6

Tom van der Lee
https://www.fme.nl/sites/default/files/nieuws_afbeeldingen/Tom%20van%20der%20Lee%20660%20x%20440.png

Carla Moonen
https://s3.amazonaws.com/si-interactive/prod/ai-cio-com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/17151145/0-300x300.jpg

Annabel Nanninga
https://images.nrc.nl/AZqPknn6P_zk0vrwoM1n2d353fY=/1280x/filters:no_upscale()/s3/static.nrc.nl/bvhw/files/2017/10/data21265459-57c416.jpg

Ria Oomen-Ruijten
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Ria-oomen-1360528441.jpg

Henk Otten
https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/8yXTP768YFd7_VRoyRKWskhw6Kw/diocontent/154549260/_fitwidth/763?appId=93a17a8fd81db0de025c8abd1cca1279&quality=0.8

Esther Ouwehand
https://images1.persgroep.net/rcs/fekGO6H0EeMgWhiIqvsEVDAJbgk/diocontent/157608847/_fitwidth/763?appId=93a17a8fd81db0de025c8abd1cca1279&quality=0.8

Erik Ronnes
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Erik-ronnes-1422297864.jpg

Paul Smeulders
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1102689344064815107/rZIF-52V_400x400.jpg

Joost Sneller
https://www.tweedekamer.nl/sites/default/files/styles/member_parliament_header/public/atoms/images/d66_sneller_1.jpg?itok=_yai31A8

Gom van Strien
https://www.1limburg.nl/sites/default/files/public/styles/media-paragraph/public/gom.jpg?itok=_fxocZhO

Hayke Veldman
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/909898956968210432/E61_nNbf_400x400.jpg

Jeroen de Vries
https://alchetron.com/cdn/jeroen-de-vries-82f68f79-025a-4af1-a1dd-1060923e574-resize-750.jpeg

Frank Wassenberg
https://alchetron.com/cdn/frank-wassenberg-a0b19889-d1f4-4673-b93d-f221b4cc499-resize-750.jpeg

Loek van Wely
https://shop.chessbase.com/pics/a_40

Jeroen van Wijngaarden
https://www.vvd.nl/content/uploads/2019/02/jeroen-van-wijngaarden-4-400x400-c-default.jpg

[TheMaestro]

Many of them look like bunch of Frenchie baguettes I buy in Billa.

[Tooting Carmen]

Many of them look like bunch of Frenchie baguettes I buy in Billa.

So they look more French than anything else?

[TheMaestro]

So they look more French than anything else?

In General probably ye, but they are typical Dutch looking guys too.

[Samnium]

France I would say

[Tooting Carmen]

In General probably ye, but they are typical Dutch looking guys too.

Well the Netherlands is believed to be the blondest country in the world outside Scandinavia and Estonia; nevertheless, these darker types are still not difficult to find.

[Tooting Carmen]

France I would say

So they look like Northern-Southern Euro intermediate types in the same way the French do?

[TheMaestro]

Well the Netherlands is believed to be the blondest country in the world outside Scandinavia and Estonia; nevertheless, these darker types are still not difficult to find.

Dutch are very good looking people, tall pretty light so yeah. But as you stated imo light brown/brown hair color is not that incommon

[The Blade]

Nordids, Nordocromagnids, Paleo Atlantids, Faelids, Brunns, Borrebies, Norids, Atlantids and Dinarids.
As a group they still look Northwestern Euro in terms of features.
On individual level they fit in the south though.

[Tooting Carmen]

Nordids, Nordocromagnids, Paleo Atlantids, Faelids, Brunns, Borrebies, Norids, Atlantids and Dinarids.
As a group they still look Northwestern Euro in terms of features.
On individual level they fit in the south though.

Which ones would fit best in Bulgaria?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

All of them look like they would fire 50% of their employees on Christmas day if profits weren't up.

[The Blade]

Which ones would fit best in Bulgaria?
It's a gradient. They are, more or less, within the looks spectrum but 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17 and 25 fit better than the rest, imo.

[Odin]

Mainly Atlantids, Borrebies, and few Faelids.

Pass in Western Europe.

[Tooting Carmen]

It's a gradient. They are, more or less, within the looks spectrum but 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17 and 25 fit better than the rest, imo.

How common would you say it is for Dutch people to pass easily in Balkan countries?

[Cristiano viejo]

Dutch are very good looking people
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/RikJanssen2010.jpg

[aherne]

With a few exceptions, they look like "dark" Northern French

[The Lawspeaker]

Asscher and van Wijngaarden aren't Dutch. They are Jewish. Some of the others may look "atypical" because they aren't Northerners: van Gerven, Smeulders, van Wely and Jetten are from Brabant - Moonen, Wassenberg and Oomen from Limburg. They are Southeners. So I see TC's typical game: using minorities and making people think they are the majority.

https://preview.redd.it/pw1hnf23tut21.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&0992c6e2

He could have known that the two Jews were Jews (hell: their names are a give-away) and that much of the rest of his pickings were Southern. That's why he picked them. It would be fair to say that North and South, are two different ethnicities (the South links up more with Germany and Belgium).

[Mortimer]

Van strien and weldman look distinctly Dutch de vries looks Dutch or German

[Tooting Carmen]

Asscher and van Wijngaarden aren't Dutch. They are Jewish. Some of the others may look "atypical" because they aren't Northerners: van Gerven, Smeulders, van Wely and Jetten are from Brabant - Moonen, Wassenberg and Oomen from Limburg. They are Southeners. So I see TC's typical game: using minorities and making people think they are the majority.

https://preview.redd.it/pw1hnf23tut21.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&0992c6e2

He could have known that the two Jews were Jews (hell: their names are a give-away) and that much of the rest of his pickings were Southern. That's why he picked them. It would be fair to say that North and South, are two different ethnicities (the South links up more with Germany and Belgium).

I honestly didn't know the two Jews were Jews. I tried looking all of them up on Wikipedia and there was no mention of that. Some other ones who I got info about I did thus leave out - there's that guy (cannot remember his name) who is a Dutch-Moroccan-Indonesian mix, for example.

Also, of course they are not typical. I myself said earlier that the Dutch are the blondest people on Earth outside Scandinavia and Estonia, thus darker types would be a minority for sure.

[Norb]

not Dutch

[The Lawspeaker]

I honestly didn't know the two Jews were Jews. I tried looking all of them up on Wikipedia and there was no mention of that. Some other ones who I got info about I did thus leave out - there's that guy (cannot remember his name) who is a Dutch-Moroccan-Indonesian mix, for example.

Also, of course there are not typical. I myself said earlier that the Dutch are the blondest people on Earth outside Scandinavia and Estonia, thus darker types would be a minority for sure.
That's why you check the Dutch wikipedia.

[Tooting Carmen]

That's why you check the Dutch wikipedia.

I guess so. Also, do Frisians and South Dutch really look that different from each other?

[The Lawspeaker]

I guess so. Also, do Frisians and South Dutch really look that different from each other?

By far and large ? I think they do.

Just look at older (deliberately because there would be fewer migrants in pictures) school class pictures: Leeuwarden (Frisia - it's easy to pick out the migrants):

https://www.desaad.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/4c-1024x683.jpg


Maastricht (and, yes, the very dark woman isn't local):

https://static.limburger.nl/Assets/Images_Upload/2016/08/09/Dumoulin_bijlage.jpg?maxheight=460&maxwidth=629&scale=both

The South is slightly less blonde (more copper and brown) and fewer blue and grey eyes and more brown. The North (https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/editienl/artikel/4935931/cbs-cijfers-lengte-zuiderling-kleiner-dan-noorderling-limburger-brabander) is also slightly taller.

[Tooting Carmen]

By far and large ? I think they do.

Just look at older (deliberately because there would be fewer migrants in pictures) school class pictures: Leeuwarden (Frisia - it's easy to pick out the migrants):

https://www.desaad.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/4c-1024x683.jpg


Maastricht (and, yes, the very dark woman isn't local):

https://static.limburger.nl/Assets/Images_Upload/2016/08/09/Dumoulin_bijlage.jpg?maxheight=460&maxwidth=629&scale=both

The South is slightly less blonde (more copper and brown) and fewer blue and grey eyes and more brown. The North (https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/editienl/artikel/4935931/cbs-cijfers-lengte-zuiderling-kleiner-dan-noorderling-limburger-brabander) is also slightly taller.

The Frisian group look more like Danes. The Maastricht group look more like Belgians or Northern French.

[The Lawspeaker]

The Frisian group look more like Danes. The Maastricht group look more like Belgians or Northern French.
Of course. And Maastricht is right on the border as well.

[Hulu]

Southern as southern euro? I know they don't look Albanian for example, more like Mena or Slav leaning.

[The Lawspeaker]

Southern as southern euro? I know they don't look Albanian for example, more like Mena leaning.

No. As in Dutch regions (https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Netherlands). They are culturally quite distinct from one another.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Netherlands-regions-new.png

[Hulu]

No. As in Dutch regions (https://www.visitholland.nl/index.php/general-info/the-country/geography-facts/650-regions-in-the-netherlands). They are culturally quite distinct from one another.

I don't mean you but the OP's question.

[Terminator98]

The South is slightly less blonde (more copper and brown) and fewer blue and grey eyes and more brown.

It seems that hair and pigmentation diversity exist in every Euro country (I honestly thought that all people in Northern countries are more or less in same range). :confused3:

[The Lawspeaker]

It seems that hair and pigmentation diversity exist in every Euro country (I honestly thought that all people in Northern countries are more or less in same range). :confused3:

Well, yes, and the Netherlands isn't Nordic. We are in Western Europe.

[Terminator98]

Well, yes, and the Netherlands isn't Nordic. We are in Western Europe.

I thought Netherlands belong to both;


Geographically, Northwestern Europe usually consists of the Republic of Ireland, the United Kingdom, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Northern France, Northern Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Iceland.

Then Wikipedia lie a lot :dance:

[The Blade]

How common would you say it is for Dutch people to pass easily in Balkan countries?
They are passable mainly on the more northern and central side of the spectrum (which is significant).
Only a minority of Dinaric shifted Dutch I've seen can pass as generally Balkan types with a southern look.

[Tooting Carmen]

Missing photos:

Ruard Ganzevoort
https://www.parlement.com/9353000/1/j4nvh0qavhjkdqd_j9vvknrezmh4csi/vlu1g5u9lnq1?sizew=730&sizeh=938&crop=1286:360:730:938&lm=rdxf8c

Tom van der Lee
https://cdn.nos.nl/image/2020/05/26/652021/1024x576a.jpg

Paul Smeulders
https://api.omroepbrabant.nl/img/f/768/432/0.35/0.4/bWVkaWEvcHJvZC8yNDQxMDYwLmpwZz9zdj0yMDE5LTA3LTA3Jn N0PTIwMjAtMDEtMDFUMDAlM0EwMCUzQTAwWiZzZT0yMDQwLTAx LTAxVDAwJTNBMDAlM0EwMFomc3I9YiZzcD1yJnNpZz1Tc3MlMk Y3MVVjcVZxRmY4JTJCc2VOOG9QQjZlcXk1Vjg1MmE1Q0Vtd0NI Nmd4byUzRA==

Joost Sneller
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1525105740498755584/m1ft4l0k_400x400.jpg

Gom van Strien
https://www.parlement.com/9353000/1/j4nvh0qavhjkdqd_j9vvknrezmh4csi/vko6da89scz1?sizew=932&sizeh=1200&crop=314:1125:3212:4137&lm=p8ej77

Hayke Veldman
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Hayke-veldman-1429134379.jpg

[renaissance12]

Mamma mia che brutte persone..

[Flamingo]

They look like Iberian influenced. However, Leon de Jong gives me a very Dutch vibe.

[Flamingo]

Hayke Veldman looks even more Dutch. Very stereotypical face of a Dutch. BTW Hayke (Heike) is a female name in Germany.

Edit: Sorry, I mean Gom van Stream, but Veldman looks also very Dutch to me.

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[axel.aleman]

Atlantids and PaleoAtlantids

[Boudin]

Morphs of MPs from the first page:



https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=120570&stc=1 (https://facefuse2.netlify.app/)

[White Swan]

Almost all of them have eyes reminiscent of my husband's, who is part Dutch. The eye shape, especially the outer corners with or without the accompanying creases. What do you call those "crow's feet"-like smile lines?

[Donhueas]

Alpinids, dinarid, cms (?)