How tolerant are you to roma people?

[Mortimer]

I heard often that in america roma are the "hidden americans" that they hide their origins, whether that is a truth or not though. Also that americans sometimes perceive them not as "real people" but like cobolds or fairies and such, vampires. Or that anyone "can be a gypsy" a hippie, a nomad, a thieve etc. Not everyone can be a gypsy, not every hippie, it is biological thing to be a gypsy. What are your opinions and how in 21st century the societies as well as the roma themselfes should transform from century old stereotypes, views, opinions as well the as the traditions the roma themselfes still clinge to.

[TheForeigner]

It's the Gypsies that need to change their attitude and behaviour. They are the ones not tolerant to the gadji.

[happycow]

Never knew anything about roma or gypsies until I joined this forum. I think the first time I heard the word gypsy was when I watched Hunchback of Notre Dam as a child.

[Dna8]

I heard often that in america roma are the "hidden americans" that they hide their origins, whether that is a truth or not though. Also that americans sometimes perceive them not as "real people" but like cobolds or fairies and such, vampires. Or that anyone "can be a gypsy" a hippie, a nomad, a thieve etc. Not everyone can be a gypsy, not every hippie, it is biological thing to be a gypsy. What are your opinions and how in 21st century the societies as well as the roma themselfes should transform from century old stereotypes, views, opinions as well the as the traditions the roma themselfes still clinge to.


It's the Gypsies that need to change their attitude and behaviour. They are the ones not tolerant to the gadji.

I agree with both your sentiments.

[Mortimer]

It's the Gypsies that need to change their attitude and behaviour. They are the ones not tolerant to the gadji.

I think that is a balatant lie though. The roma need to change as well, some of their centuries old behaviours, traditions and such, but that only the roma are not tolerant, and the others are tolerant to the roma, I dont think that is the truth.

[TheForeigner]

I think that is a balatant lie though. The roma need to change as well, some of their centuries old behaviours, traditions and such, but that only the roma are not tolerant, and the others are tolerant to the roma, I dont think that is the truth.

The gadji are not tolerant to the Roma, because of Roma behaviour, not because of the gadji's made up stereotypes or fantasies or hallucinations.

[Mortimer]

The gadji are not tolerant to the Roma, because of Roma behaviour, not because of the gadji's made up stereotypes or fantasies or hallucinations.

I dont think that attitude contributes to positive development rather to more hate. I dont think Im intolerant to you rather the other away around, that you are intolerant to me. It also reflects in your vs. my comments, attitudes and such.

[TheForeigner]

I dont think that attitude contributes to positive development rather to more hate. I dont think Im intolerant to you rather the other away around, that you are intolerant to me. It also reflects in your vs. my comments, attitudes and such.

This is not about you. You are a harmless mental pacient. I was referring to the large number of Gypsies involved in crime and anti-social behaviour.

[Mortimer]

This is not about you. You are a harmless mental pacient. I was referring to the large number of Gypsies involved in crime and anti-social behaviour.

But it is pretty much often about me, as Im a Roma and it reflects in the attitude and behaviour of the online community towards me, as well as the behaviour and attitude of people so far in real life. For example that I was excluded from companionship, or cultural events, is probably in part because of my roma blood. There is a large number of roma involved in petty crime, begging etc. But I think in 21st century they should transform some of their behaviour as well. I made the opening post saying it is a two way street you replied that is only a one way street, only the roma must change, no one else ever harmed them or discriminated them. I dont think that attitude contributes to positive development, rather to scapegoat the roma and put blame for further discrimination on the roma, as that affects all roma, that can only be discriminatory and doesnt contribute to any change of criminal roma behaviour. It is also not intended to be because it sounds pretty much racism. And racism is illogical.

[Celine]

I'm tolerant, but in my country they getthoise themselves and refuse to go to school (begging for money instead).

[Mortimer]

I'm tolerant, but in my country they getthoise themselves and refuse to go to school (begging for money instead).

But I know so many roma who go to school. Just read recent news in Belgrade a 12 year roma girl was kidnapped by a child rapist. She was kidnapped on her way from school. Do really "roma" dont go to school?

[Celine]

But I know so many roma who go to school. Just read recent news in Belgrade a 12 year roma girl was kidnapped by a child rapist. She was kidnapped on her way from school. Do really "roma" dont go to school?

I didn't say that don't go to school AT ALL. But in Croatia it's because they are forced to. I recenetly saw a TV report about gipsies going to college, it was satisfying to see that. But there is stigma...

[Kamal900]

Mostly neutral, but they're good with us Palis in Lebanon at least.

[Maintenance]

Im tolerant to native scandinavian roma, not the balkan ones.

For 5 years or so there has been 1-2 balkan gypsies outside of every store in Sweden begging, they shit outside, lie about their situation to take advantage of kind hearted people.

[TheForeigner]

But it is pretty much often about me, as Im a Roma and it reflects in the attitude and behaviour of the online community towards me, as well as the behaviour and attitude of people so far in real life. For example that I was excluded from companionship, or cultural events, is probably in part because of my roma blood. There is a large number of roma involved in petty crime, begging etc. But I think in 21st century they should transform some of their behaviour as well. I made the opening post saying it is a two way street you replied that is only a one way street, only the roma must change, no one else ever harmed them or discriminated them. I dont think that attitude contributes to positive development, rather to scapegoat the roma and put blame for further discrimination on the roma, as that affects all roma, that can only be discriminatory and doesnt contribute to any change of criminal roma behaviour. It is also not intended to be because it sounds pretty much racism. And racism is illogical.

The first time I read one of your posts, 5 years ago, I thought you are some Gypsy activist and you still write like that. You write both poorly(in terms of grammar, punctuation and spelling) and you also write like an illogical, long winded militant. You are also an obnoxious person and that is the main reason why the "online community" doesn't like you and probably why you were also excluded from certain activities by your schoolmates. Maybe you could give more details about the discrimination you say you suffered in Austria.

[Mortimer]

The first time I read one of your posts, 5 years ago, I thought you are some Gypsy activist and you still write like that. You write both poorly(in terms of grammar, punctuation and spelling) and you also write like an illogical, long winded militant. You are also an obnoxious person and that is the main reason why the "online community" doesn't like you and probably why you were also excluded from certain activities by your schoolmates. Maybe you could give more details about the discrimination you say you suffered in Austria.

Im a Gypsy activist but not officially. Im a self declared activist or someone who himself is interested in these types of things, and does it because he is interested in it. I dont have the contact or instruction to a gypsy organisation eventhough I made online alot of gypsy activist friends. But Im not "officially" a gypsy activist.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

There are multiple sociological studies which decry the way the Roma are discriminated in Romania such as:

1. Being refused jobs, either being turned down or never called for interviews
2. Ending up working for illegal companies and not getting paid. They cannot complain to the government about it because they are working illegally anyway
3. Romanians, Hungarians or Szekelys refusing to work in companies with Roma people. There is a case of a woodcutting company in Szekelyland which employs Roma people and the locals refuse to work there because they do not wish to associate themselves with Gypsies.

But at the same time:
1. Gypsies in Romania have a very tribal culture (which I respect), but unfortunately, they do not respect normal jobs and education
2. They would rather send their children to steal or beg rather than get them educated
3. As TheForeigner said, they do not like Europeans either and do not really wish to mingle with them
4. Due to 3 they don't see much of an issue to profit off Romanians and other Europeans by stealing from them
5. They abuse their own by forced marriages, forced begging, sex work, etc.
6. They will much rather settle things between themselves than go to the authorities (hence the famed videos from Romania of them having full on medieval battles in the middle of the street, with swords)
7. They do not respect the very idea of a government.

In a way, the Roma are more akin to what Varg Vikernes promotes: tribalistic, taking care of their own, disregard modernity and its institutions. A primitivist should respect this, but considering the other things they do, they do not get much sympathy.

[Celine]

I thought you left TA.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?308961-Farewell-my-friends&p=6372598#post6372598

What happened?

I woke up early today and was bored to death. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Given their behaviour (no need to expand on it - others have done that job for me), I have about as much tolerance for them as I would have for a fly in my soup.

[Mortimer]

Pretty good summary. I think that is all true on both accounts, the discrimination as well as the rejection of civilisation by large part of roma.


There are multiple sociological studies which decry the way the Roma are discriminated in Romania such as:

1. Being refused jobs, either being turned down or never called for interviews
2. Ending up working for illegal companies and not getting paid. They cannot complain to the government about it because they are working illegally anyway
3. Romanians, Hungarians or Szekelys refusing to work in companies with Roma people. There is a case of a woodcutting company in Szekelyland which employs Roma people and the locals refuse to work there because they do not wish to associate themselves with Gypsies.

But at the same time:
1. Gypsies in Romania have a very tribal culture (which I respect), but unfortunately, they do not respect normal jobs and education
2. They would rather send their children to steal or beg rather than get them educated
3. As TheForeigner said, they do not like Europeans either and do not really wish to mingle with them
4. Due to 3 they don't see much of an issue to profit off Romanians and other Europeans by stealing from them
5. They abuse their own by forced marriages, forced begging, sex work, etc.
6. They will much rather settle things between themselves than go to the authorities (hence the famed videos from Romania of them having full on medieval battles in the middle of the street, with swords)
7. They do not respect the very idea of a government.

In a way, the Roma are more akin to what Varg Vikernes promotes: tribalistic, taking care of their own, disregard modernity and its institutions. A primitivist should respect this, but considering the other things they do, they do not get much sympathy.

[Duffmannn]

This is not about you. You are a harmless mental pacient. I was referring to the large number of Gypsies involved in crime and anti-social behaviour.

The gypsies are anti-social by definition. When they integrate into mainstream society, and abandon gypsy behavours and mindsets, they are not gypsies anymore (and are rejected by the gypsy community)

[Duffmannn]

Im tolerant to native scandinavian roma, not the balkan ones.

For 5 years or so there has been 1-2 balkan gypsies outside of every store in Sweden begging, they shit outside, lie about their situation to take advantage of kind hearted people.

I serously doubt there are true scandinavian gypsies. Probably there are groups similar to gypsies, but not gypsies, as the irish travellers or spanish mercheros-quinquilleros.

[Odin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1mc1c5LGyQ

[Mortimer]

The gypsies are anti-social by definition. When they integrate into mainstream society, and abandon gypsy behavours and mindsets, they are not gypsies anymore (and are rejected by the gypsy community)

They are still gypsies you cannot define a distinctive biological ethnicity as anti social. But people also define blacks or mixed blacks that way or similar when they do something good it is because they act white or a white gene but when they do something bad they are typical of blacks I was also called typical gypsy by some here for my negative traits but when someone says I'm nice then someone says that is not represantive of gypsy your definition is by definition discriminatory and racist

[Smeagol]

I'm not and I don't think they should be allowed to live here. But it's true that most Americans don't realize that gypsies are an ethnic group.

[Mortimer]

I'm not and I don't think they should be allowed to live here. But it's true that most Americans don't realize that gypsies are an ethnic group.

Many of the American gypsy have 4 grandparents born in the United States

[Maintenance]

I serously doubt there are true scandinavian gypsies. Probably there are groups similar to gypsies, but not gypsies, as the irish travellers or spanish mercheros-quinquilleros.

Yes there is and has been since 1500

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?311604-Classify-Nordic-Gypsies

[Smeagol]

Many of the American gypsy have 4 grandparents born in the United States

I doubt it, as in the 1880s Gypsies were legally classified as a non-white race and thus banned from coming here until the 1960s. The recent arrivals have acted exactly like they do in Europe and their behavior has made the locals hate them wherever they settle. There are hardly any gypsies here as it is though, the number is much less than a single percent of the population.

[Mortimer]

I doubt it, as in the 1880s Gypsies were legally classified as a non-white race and thus banned from coming here until the 1960s. The recent arrivals have acted exactly like they do in Europe and their behavior has made the locals hate them wherever they settle. There are hardly any gypsies here as it is though, the number is much less than a single percent of the population.

Read up on roma immigration there were waves of roma immigrants in the 19th and 20th century and before dating back to the colonies I saw roma on 23andme who have 4 grandparents born in the United States

[Smeagol]

Read up on roma immigration there were waves of roma immigrants in the 19th and 20th century and before dating back to the colonies I saw roma on 23andme who have 4 grandparents born in the United States

There were a few, but they still make up a minuscule part of the population. I've said before, most Americans have never met a gypsy.

[Egyvalaki]

Like to any other people. Not less and not more.

[Mortimer]

There were a few, but they still make up a minuscule part of the population. I've said, before, most Americans have never met a gypsy.

I also saw on 23andme roma who have been adopted by American people yes they are a small part the US has a population of 200 million

[Mortimer]

Like to any other people. Not less and not more.

Cool that's how it should be I agree

[Smeagol]

I also saw on 23andme roma who have been adopted by American people yes they are a small part the US has a population of 200 million

Adopting foreigners should be illegal. There are enough American kids who need a good home.

[Azerimen]

I love gypsy girls with light brown skin Indo-mediterranid race

[Azerimen]

Roma people love freedom like Cossacks so I love gypsy people

[Blondie]

I don't like them, if i see one i go to the other side of the street.

[Numidia]

I think they should stay in the countries they are from Romania, balkans, ... because it's their countries

[Dušan]

I think they should stay in the countries they are from Romania, balkans, ... because it's their countries

Their origin is from India, Pakistan, not from Balkans.

[Numidia]

Their origin is from India, Pakistan, not from Balkans.

I saw some roma results they have balkans dna

[The Lawspeaker]

Adopting foreigners should be illegal. There are enough American kids who need a good home.

I agree. We should have the same law. There are enough Dutch children who are in dire straits and who need assistance and a good home.

[Blondie]

I saw some roma results they have balkans dna

Doesn't metter, their real homeland is India.

[TheMaestro]

To be honest I have very bad toleration for roma people. I hate if people would beat up a kid because he is a gypsy, but in general, I would hate shaking hands with gypsies, help them in any way, seat next to them etc.

[catgeorge]

Not very tolerant especially when I see Romas living within garbage cans having 3-4 children and demand tax dollars for assistance.

Morti is half European maybe more so this doesnt apply to him he isn't full gypsy.

But its nice to see a European forum back in European hands with a range of European related topics mostly free from incoherent and ridiculous third worlders and mindless spam laced with jealousy and hatred.

[FountainOfSalmacis]

From what I’ve read and from the many opinions of people, I don’t think they belong in western societies. It’s not a personal thing, I don’t hate them mainly because I haven’t had any interactions with them at all. They don’t produce anything, have high crime rates and ,in my case, live in the periphery in run down conditions.

[sean]

Literally the only group everybody hates in Europe are gypsies. Not even literal hipster liberal fucks are tolerant towards them, majority of people in Western Europe are of the "tolerant to all races" kind but everyone still hates gypsies. There is discrimination laws but no cop or lawyer bats an eye when a shopping mall explicitly bans gypsies because everyone knows what scum they are. It's hilarious how the rules of tolerant liberal society bend around the gypsies.

I actually blame the Balkan shitholes for sending their gypsies to beg and build houses out of garbage in the woods and just throw garbage everywhere, one at least begging outside every food store in Western Europe. And we all know it's not legitimate but organised criminals.

It's almost as though they went out of their way and just one day decided to design the most abhorrent and disrupting culture that they thought could fuck with, and piss off everyone else as much as possible.

There's a reason no one really cares to bring up the gypsy genocide during Holocaust discussions. It's not because they don't care that they were killed but because people are pissed that Hitler didn't get all of them.

[Dna8]

Literally the only group everybody hates in Europe are gypsies. Not even literal hipster liberal fucks are tolerant towards them, majority of people in Western Europe are of the "tolerant to all races" kind but everyone still hates gypsies. There is discrimination laws but no cop or lawyer bats an eye when a shopping mall explicitly bans gypsies because everyone knows what scum they are. It's hilarious how the rules of tolerant liberal society bend around the gypsies.

I actually blame the Balkan shitholes for sending their gypsies to beg and build houses out of garbage in the woods and just throw garbage everywhere, one at least begging outside every food store in Western Europe. And we all know it's not legitimate but organised criminals.

It's almost as though they went out of their way and just one day decided to design the most abhorrent and disrupting culture that they thought could fuck with, and piss off everyone else as much as possible.

There's a reason no one really cares to bring up the gypsy genocide during Holocaust discussions. It's not because they don't care that they were killed but because people are pissed that Hitler didn't get all of them.

[Lemgrant]

Originally Posted by Gracile Indid

:rotfl

[sean]

https://i.imgur.com/lNOwExe.gif